@@evenjesuscantsaveyouanymor6163if u talk to a kass otp, theyll tell u that he counters most melees aside from panth yone, yas isnt that hard bc u can e max and spam, talons entirely skill based, zed is tough but you can just be good at sidestepping on any champ and bear zed.
Hey Shok - been following this whole series it’s so helpful hearing your though process in real time. Just wondering if you offer any mid lane coaching/vod reviews at all? Cheers!
Hi Shok, could you explain when you would build Shadowlfame? It seems like it isn't worth to build it in the first 3 items since you delay Rabadons most times so I wondered when it's actually worth to do it
Basically only ever good as a second item when you're building ludens + sorcs and they aren't build any MR. Especially if you're the solo AP it can be good but honestly I feel like those situations where it's a great shadowflame game are getting rarer and rarer
Just gotta dodge a lot of skillshots, imo it's not a great matchup though. T2 boots rush can help you (mercs) but it does slow down your powerspikes a lot so you probably have to go everfrost instead of ROA
Shok I'm a G3 player and have picked up Lux/Malz hard since watching some of your vids. Do you think a third / mobility champ is essential given that both have pretty decent tools to counter dive? Really struggling on a Third, been playing Ahri but deffo don't feel like I'm able to do enough as Ahri. Idk.
I sometimes struggle playing against assasins with insane sustain from second wind + D-Shield because if I position aggresively and punish every last hit, it won't actually do too much and also enemy minions aggro onto me so I automatically push the wave and would give a Champ like Kassadin the xp under turret for free. How do I avoid that?
Hmm well against some assassins like Akali you're better off playing an outscaling page with first strike or something because there really isn't much you can do to push them out of lane. Against Kass specifically though you can still heavily harass him under tower since he doesn't have great gank setup, so just push and harass with abilities + autos a lot
Only if you built shadowflame and then suddenly they built a bunch of MR... Shouldn't happen that often since if you're expecting them to build MR then normally you don't go shadowflame
If you think the meta rewards early game, then why do you think champions like syndra, ori & kassadin are meta when they just want to stay mid, farm and scale? If the game was more early game focused then wouldnt champions like LB, zoe, ahri be more prevalent because they like to skirmish more? Interested in your thoughts
Orianna and Syndra aren't really scaling champs per se, both scale incredibly hard, that's true, but they offer a ridiculous amount of lane control, which is why it's rewarding early game to play them. Ahri is pretty good but she's not really a champion until lvl 6, and she's not a champion without R after that, or so to say. Zoe is too niche and requires you to have a really good matchup to get anything good out of her, either you win or lose, you don't really go even as Zoe. And LB is currently very strong indeed, but she's also heavy burst / utility mage so she does really well early on as she can pressure a lot and set up ganks very easily. I'm not Shok but his tier list kinda explains it shortly.
Isn’t Ori just the most dominant early game overall atm? Champs like LB, Zoe might have better early skirmish, but they are not as lane dominant as Ori/Sandra.
@@avananana lb is very weak right now tho, the ad build is gutted and ap feels underwhelming. No one plays her in high elo or pro. only really a good lane into syndra but she gets outscaled so hard in that one too
Because the meta is to both win lane and scale. If it were pure scaling then you would see champs like asol, viktor etc but Syndra/Ori not only win lane against basically anything but they also scale very well. They don't scale quite like the super scalers do but it's pretty damn close. imo Kassadin is not meta though, I still think he sucks for reasons I said in this video
Out of curiousity...barring your personal preferences and champion mastery, in pure league theory...is Syndra a better pick than Yone here? I feel like Yone is the play in this draft.
I don't think you'd want to play Yone, pretty sure I was blind pick this game although I can't actually remember but I'm sure I would've picked jayce trist or something into kass
bro, your mentality and map rotations were great. But I feel you made so many mechanical mistakes that I wouldn't expect from you my man. That flash q, e on Fiora at top, and the number of times you throw E when Pyke hook into stun, and you are just not holding e for stuns and throwing them out so freely was probably loosing your game bro.
Most players who don't play Syndra extensively have these occasional mishaps. He still did pretty good though. Have you seen competitive games with Syndra? Pros misuse the E all the time. 😅
How to beat scaling champ, play a champ that is good in the early game and then also scales like a beast as well.
I mean, don't most meta champs do that? And kassadin is generally a mage conter so that's the bar your champ has to pass.
That's what I've been SAYIN
@@evenjesuscantsaveyouanymor6163if u talk to a kass otp, theyll tell u that he counters most melees aside from panth yone, yas isnt that hard bc u can e max and spam, talons entirely skill based, zed is tough but you can just be good at sidestepping on any champ and bear zed.
Hey Shok - been following this whole series it’s so helpful hearing your though process in real time. Just wondering if you offer any mid lane coaching/vod reviews at all? Cheers!
Yep there's a coaching link in the description!
Even tho its a lose, i learned a lot and enjoyed watching~ (btw the outro... is legendary)
Hahha my editor smurfed on that outro fr
@@ShokLeague yo, is there a way you can link us the outro beat?
Hi Shok, could you explain when you would build Shadowlfame? It seems like it isn't worth to build it in the first 3 items since you delay Rabadons most times so I wondered when it's actually worth to do it
Basically only ever good as a second item when you're building ludens + sorcs and they aren't build any MR. Especially if you're the solo AP it can be good but honestly I feel like those situations where it's a great shadowflame game are getting rarer and rarer
@@ShokLeague Thanks!
thanks for sharing c:
Banger bro. So Akshan game when? 👀
Hey Shok, I'm a Kassadin main and I wanted to know how I can counter Syndra on lane or anything because I think she is super annoying
Just gotta dodge a lot of skillshots, imo it's not a great matchup though. T2 boots rush can help you (mercs) but it does slow down your powerspikes a lot so you probably have to go everfrost instead of ROA
@@ShokLeague okay thanks for the advice, good luck for your rush
Shok I'm a G3 player and have picked up Lux/Malz hard since watching some of your vids. Do you think a third / mobility champ is essential given that both have pretty decent tools to counter dive? Really struggling on a Third, been playing Ahri but deffo don't feel like I'm able to do enough as Ahri. Idk.
Hmm Lux is pretty safe even without mobility, you'll probably be fine
Legend thanks!@@ShokLeague
tips for keeping mentality? (or mentality vid soon?) i would not be ok if i lost that one !
imo just take a break, I didn't queue up immediately after this because I knew I'd be tilted as fuck. Even a 15 min break goes a long way
I sometimes struggle playing against assasins with insane sustain from second wind + D-Shield because if I position aggresively and punish every last hit, it won't actually do too much and also enemy minions aggro onto me so I automatically push the wave and would give a Champ like Kassadin the xp under turret for free. How do I avoid that?
Hmm well against some assassins like Akali you're better off playing an outscaling page with first strike or something because there really isn't much you can do to push them out of lane. Against Kass specifically though you can still heavily harass him under tower since he doesn't have great gank setup, so just push and harass with abilities + autos a lot
Do you ever go shadow flame and voidstaff?
Only if you built shadowflame and then suddenly they built a bunch of MR... Shouldn't happen that often since if you're expecting them to build MR then normally you don't go shadowflame
I think since you had 3 magic dealers going void 2nd is better since they'll itemize mr asap
Possibly
If you think the meta rewards early game, then why do you think champions like syndra, ori & kassadin are meta when they just want to stay mid, farm and scale? If the game was more early game focused then wouldnt champions like LB, zoe, ahri be more prevalent because they like to skirmish more? Interested in your thoughts
Orianna and Syndra aren't really scaling champs per se, both scale incredibly hard, that's true, but they offer a ridiculous amount of lane control, which is why it's rewarding early game to play them. Ahri is pretty good but she's not really a champion until lvl 6, and she's not a champion without R after that, or so to say. Zoe is too niche and requires you to have a really good matchup to get anything good out of her, either you win or lose, you don't really go even as Zoe. And LB is currently very strong indeed, but she's also heavy burst / utility mage so she does really well early on as she can pressure a lot and set up ganks very easily. I'm not Shok but his tier list kinda explains it shortly.
Isn’t Ori just the most dominant early game overall atm? Champs like LB, Zoe might have better early skirmish, but they are not as lane dominant as Ori/Sandra.
@@avananana lb is very weak right now tho, the ad build is gutted and ap feels underwhelming. No one plays her in high elo or pro. only really a good lane into syndra but she gets outscaled so hard in that one too
Because the meta is to both win lane and scale. If it were pure scaling then you would see champs like asol, viktor etc but Syndra/Ori not only win lane against basically anything but they also scale very well. They don't scale quite like the super scalers do but it's pretty damn close. imo Kassadin is not meta though, I still think he sucks for reasons I said in this video
@@topiastuomistotry lb support instead ;)
Think you forgot that junglers don't exist below masters
whats the deal with people on youtube changing the color of the minions to blue being enemies?
Uh no idea i think I just left everything default
aaaah dont you love it when u are at 59 stacks and they tske your cannob away after getting donated 700 gold? me too
shit pisses me off
Out of curiousity...barring your personal preferences and champion mastery, in pure league theory...is Syndra a better pick than Yone here? I feel like Yone is the play in this draft.
I don't think you'd want to play Yone, pretty sure I was blind pick this game although I can't actually remember but I'm sure I would've picked jayce trist or something into kass
ahri game plzz
bro, your mentality and map rotations were great. But I feel you made so many mechanical mistakes that I wouldn't expect from you my man. That flash q, e on Fiora at top, and the number of times you throw E when Pyke hook into stun, and you are just not holding e for stuns and throwing them out so freely was probably loosing your game bro.
But the way you played the lane was great, the number of long e stun you hit with balls on the floor already looked damn clean.
No ones perfect least of all me
Most players who don't play Syndra extensively have these occasional mishaps. He still did pretty good though. Have you seen competitive games with Syndra? Pros misuse the E all the time. 😅
I was hoping that knight would whip it out, but he never did. His Syndra was pretty clean when he was on TES.@@magushyggiandith8532