How Hot Do Your Brakes Get?

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  • How Hot Do Your Brake Rotors And Pads Get?
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    In this video we are checking out the rear disc brakes of a Honda S2000 using a Flir T1K thermal camera. I’ve got the rear of the car up on jack stands, and I’ll be turning the car on, placing it in first gear, and running the rear wheels to observe the amount of heat generated by the rear brakes.
    We’ve got five data points to observe while the disc is heating up. Point 1 is the leading edge of the brake pad. Point 2 is the brake rotor before the brake pad, point 3 is the brake rotor after passing through the brake caliper, point 4 is the wheel hub, and point 5 is the back of the brake pad.
    Eventually I’ll be pulling the hand brake, but to start off you can see that as the brake disc rotates, a portion of it is slightly hotter than the rest. It’s important to note that this camera is extremely sensitive to temperature variations, so even a slightly warped rotor, or a rotor with just slightly varying thickness, will easily show up based on the temperature differential. I can’t feel any vibration form the rotor while driving, but it’s cool that this is something you can visualize with a thermal camera.
    Revving up the engine, there are currently no brakes applied. Now I’ll continue to rev the engine, and at this point I am lightly applying the rear parking brake, and temperatures are beginning to slowly rise. It is interesting to see that the point after passing through the brake pad is indeed a bit hotter than the point before entering the brake pad, even though the time duration from point to point is so small.
    Revving the engine at about 3000 RPM and simultaneously pulling the handbrake, we can see temperatures as high as 138 degrees. It’s also pretty neat to see the interaction at the very front of the brake pad. It seems that while the surface of the brake pad gets super hot, that heat hasn’t yet passed though the depth of the pad entirely.
    Brake rotors and pads in street use typically won’t see temperatures exceeding about 200 degrees Celsius, however on track days where the brakes are continuously burdened, temperatures can exceed 500 degrees, or about a 1000 Fahrenheit, pretty easily. The brake fluid itself can also get hot, which is why DOT 3 & 4 brake fluids are designed to have a boiling point over 200 Celsius. This number will drastically reduce, however, as the brake fluid ages and ingests water. Brake systems are not perfectly air tight, and brake fluid is hygroscopic, meaning that it absorbs moisture from the air. This is why it’s important to change your brake fluid every few years, especially if you track your car, to ensure the fluid never reaches its boiling point and you experience significant brake fade.
    You can also see on this vehicle, even after the brake rotors reached temperatures well over 100 Celsius, that the brake line itself is actually quite cool. What’s more critical, however, is that the brake fluid within the caliper and actuating the caliper piston remains below its boiling point.
    It’s also interesting to see that it seems wheels can act as a heat sink for your brakes, as the heat from your brakes passes to your wheels, and then to the ambient air as the wheel spins. It would certainly be interesting to see if certain wheel materials, whether steel, aluminum, or carbon fiber, would allow for better braking performance as a result of improved cooling of the rotors.
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Комментарии • 589

  • @sheldonrodgers2171
    @sheldonrodgers2171 7 лет назад +59

    Can you possibly do a short video just like this, but with a ventilated rotor?? It would be nice to compare this rotor to a vented one. Maybe we will be able to see the veins inside the rotor heat up and whatnot! Love the videos by the way!

  • @jmurphy1973
    @jmurphy1973 7 лет назад +46

    Interesting that this is posted today. During NASCAR practice yesterday, it was noted that due to the heavy cars, 3400+ lbs, small tires and wheels, the brakes generate tremendous heat. The brake rotors and calipers fill nearly all of the space within the small wheel so that most cooling comes from ducting the teams add for cooling.
    Due to brake technology, the brake systems don't fail anymore but what does happen is that the heat generated from the system gets transferred to the steel wheel and melts the bead of the tire causing tire failure.

    • @matthewmillar3804
      @matthewmillar3804 7 лет назад

      jmurphy1973 That's neat.

    • @revmatchtv
      @revmatchtv 7 лет назад +1

      jmurphy1973 The wheel acts as a heat sink and when you go to a track day you can definitely feel the wheel heat up. Do NASCAR cars really transfer so much heat to the tires that it melts the rubber? If this were a common occurrence you would see constant tire failure. However that's not the case. The wheel must be acting like a sufficiently effective heat sink to mitigate this.

    • @Sheeshening
      @Sheeshening 7 лет назад +2

      I dont really get nascar. Subpar cars, nothing that could be called "track" and thats basically it. Why do people do that?! lel

    • @payneinthebutt3098
      @payneinthebutt3098 7 лет назад +7

      Sheesh NASCAR is pretty much a drafting contest. Although it might not look like much, it does require a degree in skill especially to know when and when not to brake. I personally am in to motor cross or rally car racing but I've seen these motorsports, they all have their spirits and I respect them equally. But I also like to tease them around :)

    • @Boneychuck
      @Boneychuck 7 лет назад +2

      Not every week the teams race in 95 degree temps, like they are encountering this week in Phoenix.

  • @scott91575
    @scott91575 7 лет назад +10

    As a brake engineer, yes, aluminum wheels improve brake fade performance vs steel wheels (of course shape of wheel plays a role too). I have never tried carbon fiber yet it should be worse since it's thermal conductivity is typically less than Aluminum. Yet that also depends on the carbon fiber and once again wheel shape.

  • @ElZamo92
    @ElZamo92 7 лет назад +369

    If the wheel can function as a heat sink for the brakes, could the application of thermal paste between the hub and wheel increase breaking performance? And which kind of wheel would be better for this purpose (shape and material wise)? As a car and PC gaming enthusiast I am exited for what we could learn from this.

    • @akmalps9999
      @akmalps9999 7 лет назад +52

      ElZamo92 asking the real question there

    • @theFORZA66
      @theFORZA66 7 лет назад +29

      ElZamo92 you could be onto something

    • @woutvandermeulen1492
      @woutvandermeulen1492 7 лет назад +8

      I thunk some thermal grizzly conductonaut will do the trick and maybe if u lap the wheel hub it will help the cooling efficiency

    • @OndreaS123
      @OndreaS123 7 лет назад +11

      out of the wheel material choices given: steel, aluminum, carbon fiber, or magnesium.... aluminum is the best conductor. however, most aluminum wheels are painted to prevent corrosion, the paint can act as an insulator. another factor is the caliper, a heavy steel caliper retains lots of heat while an aluminum one helps dissipate it more quickly.... and the steel one will more likely help contribute to warped rotors over time. as for if a conductive paste would help, not sure try it if you want.

    • @inkno701
      @inkno701 7 лет назад +18

      Any paste you apply would probably get squeezed out when you tighten down the wheel, and if you put a thermal spacer it would act like a wheel spacer and change your wheel offset which could hurt suspension performance.
      And you want the wheel to absorb some of the heat of the brakes to help with cooling, but only up to a certain point and after the wheels get too hot it heats up the tires too much and can hurt your tire's grip.

  • @dangidelta
    @dangidelta 7 лет назад +60

    that's really cool....can you do one on exhaust system ( tailpipe + muffler + catalytic converter, etc ).....

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +69

      +Sachin Dangi yes, this will happen! :)

    • @davidsuzukiispolpot
      @davidsuzukiispolpot 7 лет назад

      Are the visibly black paints also good absorbers at IR wavelengths? I guess the IR camera could be used to determine the suitability of the black paint?.
      I am glad people are discussing this... I had some thoughts about the people that chromed their entire engines... The chromed parts are almost mirrors at visible wavelengths. If that continues for IR wavelengths, they have increased the operating temp of their chromed parts if they are hot parts.

  • @WarpedYT
    @WarpedYT 7 лет назад +30

    200°C .... try this same thing on a Chevrolet Cargo Van, they will probably be 400°C, they are very undersized IMO.

  • @GearsandGasoline
    @GearsandGasoline 7 лет назад +37

    That was incredibly interesting! Thanks for the insight Jason! Does the reflective surface of the rotor skew the data?

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  7 лет назад +5

      Somewhat, yes, but you can calibrate the camera for it and get pretty darn close.

    • @goviert
      @goviert 7 лет назад +1

      Engineering Explained, the only 'issue' after adjusting for the emissivity of the reflective rotor is itll skew the results of the rusted part. Not much you can do when putting everything together in the same picture. I work with thermal cameras for a living and its nice to be able to use it for fun stuff like this as well. Thanks for making this series of vids with the thermal camera.

    • @Patrick94GSR
      @Patrick94GSR 7 лет назад +1

      Gears and Gasoline another interesting thing about thermal cameras is that clear glass acts like a mirror to a thermal image. Visible light can pass through the glass but thermal energy (mostly) gets reflected back.

  • @supramanx1997
    @supramanx1997 7 лет назад +6

    Wheels certainly Can absorb and transfer heat from the brakes of a vehicle.
    When I worked in a shop, this is one way we were sometimes able to spot brake issues with a customer vehicle when doing inspection during routine services like oil changes and tire rotations. While inspecting brakes for pad thickness, adjusting tire pressure or rotating tires, you can sometimes notice that one wheel is significantly hotter than another (sometimes to the point where you can't touch it bare handed!), or spins much less freely than the other. More often than not when this happens, you would find the pads to be much more worn on that corner, either from a warped rotor or sticking caliper.

  • @Buildingblox17
    @Buildingblox17 7 лет назад +1

    You should do drum breaks too! See which ones cool down faster, the differences in operation, types of other beaks, etc.!

  • @davonmukhar
    @davonmukhar 7 лет назад +9

    Would have been cool if you put a fan blowing past the side of the car to replicate airflow while driving

  • @speeddemon8973
    @speeddemon8973 7 лет назад +1

    who thought thermal cam is this useful ,you are a real creative engineer Jason .

  • @ets9000
    @ets9000 Год назад

    It has been my experience as a parking lot racer (SCCA Solo 2) and as a Pro Rally racer, that wheels do in fact work as a heat sink for brakes (aluminum vs. steel). One thing I was never able to determine was at what temperature do brake pads catch fire. As I recall, toward the end of the 3rd stage at the STPR rally in Pennsylvania, it was a tight twisting road racing down hill, and I would be a little too heavy left foot braking, and would come into the Finish Control with my front brake pads aflame. the full metallic pads and Brembo rotors would still be working fine, and I would finish the event without changing them (the pads), the bonding agent of the pads would be compromised, and would soon crumble apart. Videos easily show Rally Cars blasting through corners with glowing rotors, but as far as I know, I'm the only one that was able to ignite my brake pads. When fellow competitors commented that their brake did not catch fire, I simply asked them to compare our Stage times.

  • @ScatPackRob
    @ScatPackRob 7 лет назад +1

    I was also amazed the camera detected run out that was not enough to cause a noticeable vibration. It would be interesting to know how much run out produced the graphic result you experienced. Another great video.

  • @arminrud7550
    @arminrud7550 7 лет назад +2

    When you brake without a wheel, the little screw holding the brakedisc on the axle has to handle with all the torque. With a wheel fitted on the axle, the force is transmitted by the Wheelnuts/bolts. The tiny screw is just for centering (holes in disc are bigger than wheelbolts) and holding the disc when there is no rim to prevent it from falling of.

    • @arminrud7550
      @arminrud7550 7 лет назад +1

      See 0:00 - 0:07 for the smaller bolts and the tiny screw.

    • @MegaBrainOne
      @MegaBrainOne 7 лет назад

      +1 Some nuts should holds the disk. Less vibration, more honest test.

  • @180mph69
    @180mph69 7 лет назад +1

    Jason,
    first off I'm a huge fan of your vids and have learned a substantial amount of the years.
    this particular vid has raised some questions that your mechanical engineering mindset may be able to answer.
    scenario: in my Mazdaspeed3 I have recently replaced my pads rotors. I failed to clean the mating surface of the rotor and hub as well as properly installing the pad retaining springs on the pad the first time around. with the car jacked up I notice a significant amount of run-out which causes judder at high speeds. they do not judder at low speed braking my poor installation techniques have also led to the 10,000 mile old rotors to have grooves across the surface.
    now here's my question. when doing numerous high speed braking, what would cause the judder to worsen at high speeds and be noticeable at low speeds?
    obviously heat is a factor here because once the system cools the problem dissolves. I was hoping to see some sort of engineering explained type of answer as Google searches have failed me here.
    Thanks

  • @samk7738
    @samk7738 7 лет назад +1

    this is why F1's are hard on their brakes during their warmup lap, the heat generated will transfer to the tires, warming them up, it isn't just about the friction on the ground, but the brakes keep them warm as well

  • @AstonJay
    @AstonJay 7 лет назад

    This was really informative. I love that you can see whether or not a rotor is warped. The Flir camera seems like a very useful tool.

  • @lionzoo71
    @lionzoo71 7 лет назад

    I'm trying to work out some carbon rotors on my Elise. If they ever become operational, you're more than welcome to come over and get some footage of the carbon rotors in action.

  • @BBoyXy
    @BBoyXy 7 лет назад +2

    The type of wheel to influence dissipation would be pretty interesting to see

  • @violetLizard
    @violetLizard 7 лет назад +1

    Potential video topic: always use parking brake? even in an automatic not on a hill?
    Pros and cons of disc versus drum brakes?

  • @robmeeldijk346
    @robmeeldijk346 7 лет назад

    you're having way to much fun with this thermal camera

  • @bonob0123
    @bonob0123 7 лет назад

    0:27 super interesting that the reflection of your leg shows up as bright as it does on the brake rotor. Can't imagine the rotor is heating up instantaneously from your leg passing by but it does go to show the infrared coming off your leg truly acts just like light (EM wave) and reflects off a mirror-like surface. On an unrelated note, the rest of the video is interesting too.

  • @revmatchtv
    @revmatchtv 7 лет назад

    Pretty interesting that the wheels themselves can act as a heat sink and cool the brakes. I just did a Brembo brake swap on my 240sx and posted a how to on my channel. I've got a thermal gun and it it will be pretty cool to see what temps they reach on a track day:

  • @kobzism
    @kobzism 7 лет назад

    you're screwing with me man!!! i need you to do more car reviews....You're car reviews are one of a kind !! VERY DIFFERENT THAT ALL OF THESE FAKE CAR ENTHUSIASTS!!

  • @ebrainz101
    @ebrainz101 7 лет назад

    You'll see many modern race cars actually warming their tires with the brakes. In fact, it is absolutely the best way to warm up the rubber. The only downside is it wastes fuel, so endurance racers are more likely to continue cornering hard to do the same thing.

  • @Armand8s
    @Armand8s 7 лет назад +2

    Hey ! Very nice video. Can you record the temperature of the rotor during hard brake ? For example accelerate at 60 mph (on speedometer) and hit the brake until the rotor stop to get an idea the amount of energy absorbed by the rotor. Thanks !

  • @hmalas11
    @hmalas11 3 года назад

    this guy the homie. had to pop the comment like situation.
    I'm trying to learn about drum brakes and disk brake temp differences.

  • @sirdrewh
    @sirdrewh 7 лет назад +1

    Jason, thank you for the very informative video. As others have alluded to below, the camera may be helpful for investigating possible causes of rotor warpage. Our 2007 Honda Odyssey warps rotors every couple of years, and the exact cause has been a source of debate in my house.

    • @Bilytkid
      @Bilytkid 7 месяцев назад

      Sticking brake pad. Probably the inner one. I have the same issue on my Honda, then found out that was the problem.

  • @jamesjoy8619
    @jamesjoy8619 7 лет назад +1

    Hey Jason. Just read an article about a new 2018 Hellcat having a system called "Torque Reserve." Seems ambitious. The idea is keeping the supercharger spinning while at a stop with the clutch open in order to boost similar to a turbo. If your master skills can break it down for me in a video, it would be a really good video to watch because I am very curious. TLDR: NEW VIDEO: "Torque Reserve"

  • @jammin1881
    @jammin1881 4 года назад +1

    Very informative and a great video.
    I’m sure that alloy wheels or other suck stuff would in fact cool the brakes faster. They usually have a lot more space or air spaces for the air to pass between them.
    I would also be very interested to know if the claims behind drilled rotors is true. Some even claim differences of up to 150 degrees in their drilled rotors.

  • @Javierm0n0
    @Javierm0n0 7 лет назад

    dude it didnt ocurr to me that rim material would interact with break disc hrat dissipation! thats pretty cool, and an insight into professional racing .

  • @g2e1d1d2y
    @g2e1d1d2y 7 лет назад +3

    You probably should have put the lugs back on to make sure the rotor was on there as perfectly-straight as possible...

  • @djguydan
    @djguydan 7 лет назад

    I am loving these thermal videos, great visualization of water is going on in cars. I am money is on aluminium wheels at the better material, since the metal transfer heat quickly and is lighter than steel.

  • @TheEyeTeaMan
    @TheEyeTeaMan 7 лет назад

    the parking brake acts on the hub and works like a drum brake that is why the rear disk brakes on cars are not just a flat disk but have the center part. this is why the pad remains cold and the brake fluid remains cold. It is also why the center hub area gets very hot vs the rotor and everything else. Wheels tend to act more like a fan than a heat sink.

  • @redrider11rc
    @redrider11rc 7 лет назад +1

    It would be interesting to see this but with different types of rotors like slotted, vented vs non vented

  • @promethbastard
    @promethbastard 7 лет назад

    Just as a tie-in to your closing section with regards to the wheel being fitted - the Formula 1 fans already know this, as it's a common practice of setting up the brake cooling to assist with management of the tyre temperatures! But being the engineering nerd you are, you probably already knew this ;)

  • @traviswiebe3711
    @traviswiebe3711 7 лет назад

    something I'd really like to see would be the warm up of a hot V engine vs a conventional V engine, along with their respective intake temperatures, an. engineering explained on hot V engines would be interesting as well showing the pros/cons of the setup

  • @sylak2112
    @sylak2112 7 лет назад

    Cool! I'm happy, I did asked for this ( not like Jensen) lol. It,s cool the see wheel helping brake cooling. I know that some sport car car have their wheel design with cooling and air flow towards the brake in minds. They can act as fans. This might increase the air resistance thought. Heat is such a huge part of everything about cars, is fun to be able to see it. Thanks

  • @BradenCarlsonAutos
    @BradenCarlsonAutos 7 лет назад

    There's so many potential things to do with this camera! Never really thought about the fact that brake fluid can get quite hot under certain circumstances before.

  • @ally_vc
    @ally_vc 7 лет назад

    i heard a while back that a company looking into carbon fibre wheels were concerned about about the heat transfer rate compared to metallic wheels and what it would mean for the cooling of the brakes, as I think it goes without saying, these wheels would likely be on higher performance vehicles and the heat transfer would be a lot more crucial.

  • @BurnersCars
    @BurnersCars 7 лет назад

    So, what would it take to start seeing a rise in the temperature of the brake fluid? (fascinating video, btw)

  • @brianwyters2150
    @brianwyters2150 7 лет назад

    I heard that duct tape would show the correct temperature of a metal, however, it would need to cover a lot of the brakes or else it would be hard to see the color/temperature of the tape since it would be rotating so quickly. If you used a lot of duct tape, then the temperature won't dissipate into the air as well.

  • @BlondieSL
    @BlondieSL 2 года назад

    So perhaps I'm worrying for nothing. ???
    A couple of weeks ago, we again has a situation where the "tire" LED lit up. It seems to just happen on this 2016 Honda CRV AWD.
    But on that day, it happened TWICE.
    So I pulled over to check the tires' pressure, which are always just fine when the danged lit comes on.
    But since it was twice and a hot day, I touched all 4 wheels.
    Three of them seemed "normal" but the rear right was HOT. I carry a couple of bottles of water, so I poured water on all 4. The 3 were fine, but the forth one just burst into sizzling steam!
    So when we got home, I checked that side and the rotor seemed to be a bit difficult to turn by hand. But I could turn it.
    I compressed the caliper to release pressure and examine more.
    I checked the bearings by pulling and pushing the tire (when it was still on) and there was zero play. Also, no "bad bearing" noise, which I've experienced a few times in my life.
    I was able to move the caliper in and out with no problem, indicating that they aren't getting stuck nor seized.
    I put it all back together and checked the other rear wheel. It was ok too.
    We took it for a ride and now the rear was fine. BUT, now the right front was searing hot. The left was hot too, but not as bad.
    So, yesterday, I did a full clean and maintenance on the front.
    The pads and rotors seems just fine and the pads have about 5-6 mm clearance over the metal piece that would indicate pads need to be replaced. (the scraper, I guess).
    I then took off the calipers and cleaned around the cylinders as best I could without messing up the rubber seals. I used a wire brush, very carefully and lubricated it with Silicone Brake lube (orange pasty type).
    I then removed the slider pins. They were moving in and out just fine, but I still cleaned up the heads as there was a bit of rust on the nut end that did go down under to where the rubber seal would touch.
    I lubed them very well. I then cleaned out the tube that they slide into and lubricated everything there, including the pins.
    I put the pins back in, burped the rubber seal and reassembled everything. I did this to both sides.
    I pumped the brake pedal until the brake pistons did their thing and took it for a quick ride.
    I didn't go too far, about 1 mile or so.
    When I got back to the garage, the front brakes were hot, but not sizzling, steaming hot.
    Just hot to the touch.... but I COULD touch the rotors without screaming like a grade-5 school girl. LOL
    So, today we take the car for a longer test ride.
    My question would be, IF I find that the brakes still are getting sizzling/steaming hot, what else could possibly causing this if all the calipers are working well?
    IDEAS?

  • @rhkips
    @rhkips 7 лет назад

    Really cool to see the IR reflection of the wheel in the brake rotor! Great video, Jason!

  • @mikerich7848
    @mikerich7848 7 лет назад +4

    Could you do the same for drum brakes?

  • @krisnadiimam4556
    @krisnadiimam4556 7 лет назад

    u will need thermal paste to help heat transfer from the wheel hub to the wheel. also it would work even better if u polished the area of contact.

  • @calebshonk5838
    @calebshonk5838 7 лет назад

    Now you need to make a video on wheel material as it relates to heat dissipation from the brake rotors. I'm extremely curious now but I can't afford a fancy thermal camera. I would imagine steel would absorb more in the short term but aluminum would dissipate more overall.

    • @scott91575
      @scott91575 7 лет назад

      Aluminum is better and it's not even close. It also helps Aluminum wheels are typically more open.

  • @DeMoNzL1
    @DeMoNzL1 7 лет назад +1

    You should test the Tesla Turbine Wheel design, to see if it makes a dramatic difference in cooling compared to a standard 5 spoke wheel design and a custom wheel design... I think that'd make for an interesting video alongside your wheel material one! :D

  • @scottyakoubian9238
    @scottyakoubian9238 3 года назад

    Extremely good information

  • @DudeForSureMan
    @DudeForSureMan 7 лет назад

    I knew breaks got hot but never knew how hot. Thanks for the video!!

  • @rakeshlourembam5431
    @rakeshlourembam5431 7 лет назад

    Helpful for car maintainance

  • @benwallace8674
    @benwallace8674 5 лет назад

    Thermal conductivity of aluminum is fairly high. Aluminum is often used for heatsinks. It appears the thoretical thermal conductivity of a graphene wheel would be extremely high.

  • @randygomez3306
    @randygomez3306 3 года назад +1

    Okay so yes the disk gets hot but is it safe to put heat resistance spray paint in the caliper and then a non heat resistant spray in top of the heat resistance one

  • @henry44ph
    @henry44ph 6 лет назад

    Thanks Jason, have a good days.

  • @r3fr33z39780
    @r3fr33z39780 7 лет назад

    shoot. i got lucky last week that somehow one rear brake caliber was to say broken as it stayed somewhat stuck to the rotors. that grinding sound while driving sure made it hot. luckily i had drilled and slotted rotors to keep it from further damages

  • @BugMagnet
    @BugMagnet 7 лет назад +1

    I might or might not get apply for a bachelor's thesis regarding heat distribution and heat induces cracking of large steel brake discs. I always thought that steel was very resiliant to heat gradients, unlike glass. Could you please explain the mechanism behind that problem?

  • @ootdega
    @ootdega 7 лет назад

    So my old classy turbine-style alloy wheels are probably about the equivalent of my CPU cooler. Neat.
    On the other side of the thermal spectrum, having too much water in the brake fluid will also cause it to start freezing. It happened to me at 4% water content.

  • @saritagracia
    @saritagracia 7 лет назад

    a pure-ish aluminum alloy is likely the best for wheels. its got high thermal conductivity and high relative thermal mass (unit heat energy per degree per unit mass) plus it's strong too. magnesium would be pretty good as well

    • @mistert9144
      @mistert9144 7 лет назад

      Another great reason to get magnesium/aluminum wheels besides weight reduction.

  • @carfirehawk1
    @carfirehawk1 6 лет назад

    I'll be honest, I usually get annoyed with some of your videos, but this one is a thoughtful and useful one... I never really looked at wheels as anything other than something you absorb bumps on the road with, whereas now, I can see that there's an additional benefit of having a forged aluminum wheel... it'll be able to absorb and dissipate heat more effectively, thereby keeping the brakes cooler. Would've thought that the type of wheel material, solely, would aid in the cooling of your brakes on a track day?

  • @BadPete81
    @BadPete81 7 лет назад

    There is a clean strip on the rusty surface what makes it look like it warmer in the begining.

  • @111raybartlett
    @111raybartlett 7 лет назад

    Interesting to see the wheel heat up. I had a sticky brake, which I continually checked by feeling the bolts.

  • @silverslvr5185
    @silverslvr5185 7 лет назад

    Jason, I like the video. Great idea to show how this all transferred heat. It made me think of carbon rotors and magnesium wheels would be effective in this situation. Then I realized what issue could be leading to what looks like the higher temperature coming from the hub. Isn't the handbrake activating a drum break inside the hub?

    • @Patrick94GSR
      @Patrick94GSR 7 лет назад

      Jason Dahlstrom Honda e-brakes actuate the caliper with a spring linkage behind it. No drums here.

    • @silverslvr5185
      @silverslvr5185 7 лет назад +1

      Oh, I see. Just every rear brake job I've done had a drum. Thanks for the clarification.

  • @jessstuart7495
    @jessstuart7495 7 лет назад

    It would be interesting if vehicles had some kind of temperature sensors on the rotors to let drivers know when their brakes were just starting to overheat. That way the driver would know to pull-over for a few minutes, or to down-shift. This becomes really critical when towing, and could save a lot of lives for people who get surprised by brake-fade when driving in the mountains.

  • @VishakanB
    @VishakanB 7 лет назад +2

    is the brake rotor wobbling caused without the use of lug nuts?

  • @edmonte7332
    @edmonte7332 6 лет назад

    Was driving on a highway and frequently used the brakes. The minute I got home I washed my car and was panicking because the front wheels were smoking. I saw it coming from the brakes and touched it and boi was it hot as hell. After cleaning my ride I proceeded to watch this video.

  • @medellon
    @medellon 7 лет назад +1

    I enjoy your videos and find them interesting and informative.

  • @hawkeyestiguy
    @hawkeyestiguy 7 лет назад

    Just when I thought this channel couldn't possibly get any cooler! Hahaha.

  • @KillSwitchNY
    @KillSwitchNY 7 лет назад +5

    There's no lug nuts on. Just relying on that 1 screw scary.

  • @ImposterProductions1
    @ImposterProductions1 7 лет назад

    Were you able to verify if that rotor runout was legitimate, or a camera trick? Also, super cool to see the reflectivity of the brake rotor at 3:15 - you can clearly see the backside of the wheel reflected in the rotor. It wouldn't have applied in this case, but a common technique when dealing with infrared temperature measurement on shiny surfaces is to put a dull black sticker, or a small bit of paint and measure the temperature at that point.

  • @mrxyz2842
    @mrxyz2842 7 лет назад

    u should hv taken a shot with the tires on , only to se how much does the tire helps in cooling the break pad
    but gr8 vid

  • @knoodelhed
    @knoodelhed 7 лет назад

    Your thumbnail had me worried! Glad to see that it was a FLIR image.

  • @maki07199
    @maki07199 7 лет назад +3

    can you make video about why diesel engines have more torque then petrol

  • @frantzetienne3201
    @frantzetienne3201 2 года назад

    I just serviced the break on my 2008 Ford explorer. Driving it through a mountainous region in Haiti, the driver could smell the break getting hot. After a few minutes, the driver lost control of the car, and the break will not respond in any way applied. Since the car was going downhill, the driver managed to stop the car by driving the passenger side against a wall. The finally stopped leaving driver, and passenger unconscious. Since the break system was brand new, what could make it fail so suddenly.

  • @nice2jay
    @nice2jay 7 лет назад +1

    Do drilled and slotted brakes next! 👍

  • @AzuMentch36
    @AzuMentch36 7 лет назад

    Now those are interesting datapoints! Thanks for sharing them and how much heat the brakes create. This can explain why electric and hybrid (the later being more complicated!) cars can take advantage of the heat conducted from those breaks. I'm pretty sure aluminum wheels can provide a good heat sink for those wheels, unless the paint is a minor insulator.

  • @mhshield
    @mhshield 7 лет назад

    Cool video, but most parking brakes don't use the calipers on the rear wheels at all. They apply a drum brake to the inside of the rotor. This would account for the higher temperatures at the center of the rotor, hub, and rims. Still a great video.

    • @scott91575
      @scott91575 7 лет назад

      While drum in hat parking brakes are certainly popular I do believe the Honda S2000 uses a caliper with an integrated parking brake (it's a cam mechanism that applies the brakes mechanically).

  • @EvlEyes11
    @EvlEyes11 7 лет назад

    love your videos! I'm thinking that the disc should have been properly attached for this test however.

    • @Patrick94GSR
      @Patrick94GSR 7 лет назад

      Evil Eyes what do you mean? It has screws holding the rotor in place.

    • @EvlEyes11
      @EvlEyes11 7 лет назад

      Admittedly I didn't notice the screw, still seems a bit lacking though and definitely not as uniform as having the nuts in place.

  • @MaikEletrica
    @MaikEletrica 7 лет назад

    Nice explanation, thanks!

  • @TCPUDPATM
    @TCPUDPATM 7 лет назад

    You're having WAY too much fun with that FLIR camera... lol

  • @ravishiroya305
    @ravishiroya305 7 лет назад

    can you make a video about, how to mount inboard brakes and should we mount it on both sides of the transmission or one side and also the calculations

  • @zuilok
    @zuilok 7 лет назад

    I wonder if thermal paste between the wheel and the brake rotor would help transfer the heat into the rim. Could be a cool experiment.

  • @GuyRWood
    @GuyRWood 4 года назад

    I've noticed that with my car. After a bit of 'spirited' driving, the alloys themselves get fairly warm. It must aid with brake heat dissipation I guess.

  • @TheOrca1987
    @TheOrca1987 7 лет назад

    I would like to see if you are able to track inlet temperatures with factory intakes and cold air intakes to see if there is a difference between the two or if it's all a gimmick.

  • @JerryDLTN
    @JerryDLTN 3 года назад

    As more heat causes brake fade/failure, what thing is failing? Brake pads? Boiling brake fluid?

  • @andrewm1947
    @andrewm1947 5 лет назад

    It would be cool if you could do this with a comparison of stock rotors vs 2 piece rotors, and stock vs drilled or slotted rotors!

  • @Ka1Winters
    @Ka1Winters 7 лет назад

    Engineering Explained, i love your videos man. Well done once again.

  • @Snipeyou1
    @Snipeyou1 7 лет назад

    I just learned a lot. Good vid man. Simple and effective

  • @thinkkops853
    @thinkkops853 6 лет назад

    This sucks for tire mechanics like me, when customers come in from a long trip the wheels are scorching hot especially in the summer.

  • @nishantkhalde5698
    @nishantkhalde5698 7 лет назад

    please add a video on solar vehicles and their future scope......

  • @lukerigsbee7395
    @lukerigsbee7395 7 лет назад

    Hey Jason it's Luke, you met me. I forgot to thank you for helping people like me by uploading your videos. I also want to thank you for taking time from your vacation to talk about your work haha. It really means a lot. Enjoy your vacation! Also! I was really angry I didn't get a picture haha. Ah well. Thanks again! Your the best.

  • @josh9847
    @josh9847 7 лет назад

    I wonder how much cooling effect the airflow when moving provides... further to that how much heat a "turbo fan" type cover dissipates vs a conventional alloy alone.

  • @bigjuice410
    @bigjuice410 Год назад +1

    I touched my brake pad today, after driving quite quickly (legally and safely obviously) on the highway and applying the brakes a lot on the highway (without brake checking ppl) after I went home I was curious about the temp of the tire and wheels on the car. I touched the tires and they were relatively warm, I then touch the flat part of the brake pad with my finger for a short moment after realizing it felt like putting my finger on an oven I removed. It left a mark on the pad of my fingerprint, black and charred. It hurt unbelievably badly even for a split second, and kinda an effect like electricity were the paint spread out through most of my other fingers without contact. But yeah I put some aloe on it and took some advil, and now I'm good as lol. DON'T DO THIS BTW, I DID SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO.

  • @elvinburgos3552
    @elvinburgos3552 7 лет назад

    Could you do a test to see what temperatures looks like if you used those plastic caliper covers,

  • @robertmurillo9662
    @robertmurillo9662 7 лет назад

    Can you make the same video featuring a vented rotor?

  • @krispewkreme4510
    @krispewkreme4510 7 лет назад

    This would be an interesting test if you can get your paws on a Focus RS while using a fan to simulate airflow through its air ducts. Just curious where you're from as well

  • @MightyOnion
    @MightyOnion 7 лет назад

    I think I've just seen the most useful RUclips advert before this video... Nissan tire repair kit roadside use :) that I can watch

  • @koko56
    @koko56 7 лет назад

    The difference in temperatures before breaking could be different emissivity values instead?

  • @howieloader
    @howieloader 6 лет назад

    This was a freakin cool video and that question at the end is totally one worthwhile...

  • @ruscellotwitch4617
    @ruscellotwitch4617 7 лет назад

    I liked this video. But could you do an explanation as to why cold breaks are worse than warm breaks please?

    • @mutilatedjello
      @mutilatedjello 7 лет назад +1

      Ruscello Twitch this is not always the case. it depends on the type of pads you have and their coefficient of friction. pads and shoes have a two letter friction rating, cold and hot, most are the same letter meaning they work the same hot or cold but some work better hot than cold. Typically as the cold rating goes down the hot rating goes up, street cars don't vary by more than a letter, but in some racing applications you need to go fast enough and hit the brakes hard enough before they actually start working, kinda scary

  • @jay_321
    @jay_321 7 лет назад

    Brakes get pretty hot on the cars and trucks coming down Teton Pass. I can smell them burning on the vehicles in front of me, especially the drum brakes on RVs.

    • @rambon1234
      @rambon1234 7 лет назад

      Yeah, that and braking hard and fast, like, your going at 60mph, brake hard to 40, regain momentum to 60 and do it again, this is what GOOD truckers does, otherwise they will ruin the brakes.

    • @rambon1234
      @rambon1234 7 лет назад

      B10401, Iam from Sweden, so it might not be the right word, but they are getting polished almost.. Like, they are slippery instead of dull / matt, often when trucks are in a repairshop for brakes, its because just that, they have become polished by the heat of the brakepad during light braking when going down a hill for example.

    • @rambon1234
      @rambon1234 7 лет назад

      And instead of having good brakes, you will hear them ''whine'' and have poor braking.

    • @rambon1234
      @rambon1234 7 лет назад

      Well, if you lightly drag, you will increase the heat the further you go, but if you brake hard (Just a couple of seconds) and release, the heat wont be that massive, iam amazed that he didnt bring this up since this is actually a huge deal. Going down a hill you do not want to overspeed haha, go down from 60 to 40, then coast down the hill till you go to 60 again ^^