There are two types of the Srebrenica Genocide denial: one comes from the old-left, like Chomsky, because the atrocities were committed by a socialist country. The other comes from the (islamophobic) new-right, because the victims were mostly muslims. Both fractions support the Serb nationalist version of the story for different, yet both disgusting, reasons.
You Forget about the third type.... Panslavists telling that NATO bombings were act of unprovoked agrresion, numbers of victims were much smaller and also act of revenge on the muslims and Albanians for killing serbian cyvilians.
honestly thats even worse on chomsky because all my leftist friends, even tankies and hardline yugoslavian supporters hated Milošević and to see him deny that is depraved and disgusting
Noam Chomsky drew criticism for not calling the Srebrenica massacre during the Bosnian War a "genocide", which he said would “devalue” the word,[120] and in appearing to deny Ed Vulliamy's reporting on the existence of Bosnian concentration camps. The subsequent editorial correction of his comments, viewed as a capitulation, was criticized by multiple Balkan watchers. He called it a slaughter, btw. He doesn't deny what happened.
@@jonathanjollimore7156 it was from mark twain although the full quote is this “The more I see of some people, the more I love my dog” it was from a trade journal
@@Magiciantype-0 if you conceptualize the political spectrum as left being bigger government and the right being smaller government (which is how the right views it) aka communism/socialism to capitalism/anarchism. He was a leftst by far as if advertising himself as a socialist wasnt enough.
@@jayclassic6974 "Big government" is a very American thing lol. And it would render left/right globally pretty useless since basically any government is a big government. So everyone is left? The republicans are left when they demand to control what books can be read in school and what events can be hold? Any authoritarian and dictator, monarch is left but also any democratic one is? Any government that rules over a national state would be. Also anarchism, syndicalism and such are right wing? They want to abolish or minimize government so anarcho- communism must be super right wing.
@@MimiMcNugget the spectrum is perceived as government by default their having power and if its used and catered to the "left" or "right" but the real spectrum is lesser to more government with the purist right being anarchist and farthest left being communism.
there are two broad categories of people on the political left, those who want their country to be better, and a minority who want to see it fail, and blame it for everything. Chomsky and his acolytes are the latter. As is Corbyn et al in the UK, or at least was in the eyes of many voters and even those in his own party, which is why he failed so badly.
You know that here in Balkans we listen to some weird shit and eat weird named meals like "Čevapi" and "Burek" and still we hate each others like we are still in 90s.
@@madkoala2130 what is weird about the names? Its like if I said to a japanese man and said "haha UDON, what does UDON mean, silly word'. Besides, the hatred is dying out a bit in the region, its still present but nowhere as prevelant as in the 90s.
"They're centers, not camps." What kind of "center" has a 5% *MONTHLY* mortality rate? That's 24 times the peacetime mortality rate of the Gulags during the Stalin era. That's 7.5-20 times the mortality rate of being homeless in the US.
Oh nice, today I learned that being homeless in the US is more fatal than being a political prisoner in a Stalinist gulag. Did I say nice? I meant what the fuck is wrong with this world
I mentioned to my Polish father that I'm reading Chomsky's work, to get more familiar with left-leaning authors, and he said something like 'that genocide denying commie'.
Just out of curiosity, why does Poland seem to have such a far right presence? I recently found a Neo not-see polish rapper on youtube and he was actually really popular lol go figure
@@theangrycheeto i think it's because of its complicated history as being the centre between two superpowers and it was very much affected by it. But then again, I don't know much about it lol.
@@theangrycheeto Because Poland was under the thumb of the USSR much longer than than they were under nazis. Do note that while the nazis were more brutal, the USSR itself was still brutal as well. It's a complicated situation since Poland was a country that was pillaged by both the left and the right for different amounts of time, and so their relationship to the left and the right today reflects that. Many polish people are uncomfortable with words like "fascism" and "nazism", but at the same, many support far right authoritarianism under a different name if it means opposition to communism. In some cases, though you can still find outright pro nazi sentiment, odd as that is.
I recall his lecture here in the Czech republic a few years back. He basically came to inform us that our own dissidents and anti-establishment fighters from the communist era of the Soviet occupation, including people who died in prison from torture, in uranium mines or in barbed wire on the borders, were really pathetic LARPers and lead "very comfortable lives" compared to people in, say, South America who fought a US-backed junta. He was vocally booed and heckled out of the country days later. But he has very bad rep in this part of the world ever since he didnt raise his voice against the Soviet occupation and then totally naively backed Khmer Rouge in Cambodia because, well, capitalism! In pub language: Chomsky is deeply ideological and is only acting as a critical intellectual when it suits his long tem agenda, its almost infantile...
In Poland Soviet communism was dismantled by (among other things) independent workers union. Which was illegal. Idk, maybe Soviet communism wasn't that great
I was in the US army in the 90's and I was deployed to Bosnia as apart of the UN S force (Separation force) and helped dig up some of those mass graves. I still occasionally have nightmares about what I saw.
Thank you for sharing your experience dude ! 😥😞 I can't begin to comprehend how bad it would've been but I hope that people do not repeat these horrible mistakes in the future but I will be sadly proved wrong I guess.
@@madkoala2130 we didn't find the graves. We where told about them and one of the assignments giving to us was to identify as many as we could and return them to family.
What damns Noam Chomsky even more is that in his interview to the Serbian television he knowingly denies the fact that the Trnopolje camp was a concentration camp, not a refugee camp from where "people could leave if they wanted to". At 29:40, in the middle of the interview he slips up: "And that was the photograph of the thin man in the concentr... -behind the barbed wire." This really reminds of the Sportpalast speech of 18 February 1943 delivered by the Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels who nearly said that "Germany was ready to confront the "Jewish threat" in terms of most complete and radical eradication of Judaism". He catched himself in the middle of the word and instead of "eradication", used the more mild word "suppression".
@@luperamos7307 yeah that's why they needed excavators for camp construction I presume. And of course digging multiple mass graves with tied up dead bodies inside. Mass murder is mass murder and Chomsky clouds his vision just because it was done by former socialists.
As a leftist, I was neglecting on opening this video for a while. Only when I realized I was doing the same thing I make fun of the right for, which is echo clambering myself, did I watch, and I'm very happy I did. History has no political affiliation and it's always good to educate on as much as you can to get a full perspective.
Yeah, I find it best to avoid sticking a label to yourself and or your beliefs. I think no single ideology in the world has the best solution for everything.
@@KT-pv3kl You’d be extremely surprised how many young Socialist look up to Noam Chomsky. His lectures garner hundreds of thousands of views on RUclips.
@@KT-pv3kl A bunch of socialists on the internet look up to Chomsky as this "wise legend". You can literally see how his lectures online gather so much views and shit.
@@boreanonekatto8146 Yeah Chomsky has said things similar to what he's said about the Bosnian Genocide with the Cambodian Genocide and the Rwandan Genocide, it's pretty sad honestly
@@slavic_bog_warlock it boils down to what Kraut points out pretty much to the end of the video... "To Chomsky, it is ONLY genocide if it looks exactly like the Holocaust" - so in essence, his defense is that NOTHING is a genocide except the Holocaust - and he does this to obfuscate the fact that he actually loves genocide... as long as it is done by an enemy of the U.S....
Chomsky also speaks of this like he knows 100% everything that happened. There are most certainly things that still remain secret and are potentially far worse.
that is the speaking style of an academic; one who speaks all day about ideas but must never implement them. to an academic being wrong has no consequences.
@Shy Cracker Indeed, and I find generally with politics its viewed as "weakness" to admit you are wrong... I disagree, I am more empathetic toward people who can admit they did/is something wrong and now lets fix it. I am a constantly changing person and my views/opinions/and information is constantly updated, I have surely made mistakes and done wrong things but I try to learn from them, I just wish everyone else could. lol
It's a damn good essay, but an important point is missing : it's not a one-time-only fuck-up by Chomsky. For a majority of his life he stood by mass murderers, as long as those were seen as anti-West. He denied the Cambodian genocide ; the Tutsi genocide ; Assad's gas attack in Ghouta and the Uyghur genocide currently happening in Xinjiang. I suppose it is only a matter of time before he states that the Ukrainians slaughtered in Bucha were asking for it.
He splits hairs on Ukraine... he blames Russia for the invasion and the U.S. for provoking it. He still thinks the U.S. is most at blame, but at least isn't excusing Russia this time. At least that's what he was doing when last I saw him... I try to avoid what he has to say.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 yeah… not gonna get into a debate in the comment section of a RUclips video about the precise views of a habitual genocide denier. Have a nice day.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 congrats... you're intellectually superior in a reply to a RUclips comment no one is going to read lol Not gonna sift through old Chomsky comments to refute an unsolicited wall of text some guy with too much time on his hands threw at me to sooth his fragile ego.
"Chomsky understands a critical axiom of sophistry: it's far better to mislead than to lie. Obfuscation is the propagandist's best friend. A skilled propagandist will not say, "Hildebrand and Porter's book shows that conditions under the Khmer Rouge were fairly good." Better to say that the book presents a "very favorable picture," to praise it as "carefully documented," and let the readers draw their own conclusions. Don't say, "Ponchaud's book presents a false picture of atrocities under the Khmer Rouge." Instead, simply say that this "grisly account" is "careless," and that "its veracity is therefore difficult to assess." And never forget the value of a good disclaimer: "We do not pretend to know where the truth lies..." Bruce Sharp
Reminds me of the sort of gimmicks Alex Jones would pull back when I watched Infowars. He and his associates would openly scoff at the more “outlandish” conspiracies like reptilians in an effort to make his own narratives seem more level-headed.
Well and even if he's not out to lie to others, he's definitely lying to himself. Cherry picking what information, and how to view it. Those are some thick rose colored glasses though, to the point he's blinding himself if he sincerely believes what he's saying. Also looking at history retroactively while inventing images in his own mind about a fat man in a picture of emaciated people, he's deluding himself with false memories even.
Ah yes, Averaging Wrong Answers. Arguably the best way to be introduced to Chomsky's genocide denial history. Really everything on Mekong is worth reading.
I'm another American leftist that initially was afraid to click this video. I have been subscribed for a couple of years now and when this video came out I couldn't bring myself to watch it because of the title, despite loving the rest of your content. Then my friend and I got into a massive argument over sending weapons to Ukraine, and he used Chomsky's recent comments to back up his views. Then I remembered this video and decided to watch if it was like his views on Ukraine. We need to be careful of our heroes. Chomsky should be ashamed of himself for abiding these horrors. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and I wish I had watched it sooner.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 He very specifically has denied these atrocities. He very specifically lied through his teeth about "the thin man" being a journalist, and making allusions to a "fat man".
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Serbs: *commit savage and brutal war crimes* NATO: *retaliates* Serbs: NOOOO THIS WAS AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK, WE ARE COMPLETLY INNOCENT ANGELS THAT NEVER DID ANYTHING WORNG
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Serbs also killed civilians and children. They killed way more and were more brutal. But because Chomsky sides with Serbs I guess this makes them completely innocent?
Huh, the video puts words words in Chomsky's mouth, Doesn't actually cite where and when he supposedly denies genocide, or have sympathys for Serbian nationalists.
Regardless of Chomsky, the whole Yugoslav War topic itself is horrible enough. That concentration camps existed in the mid 90s is something, that i think most people forgot now.
to be honest this is the first time I heard about the Serbian-run concentration camps, and I consider myself a student of history (plus I study to be a history teacher) I am shocked that we didn’t cover this in my high school history classes Chomsky should be ashamed of himself
Thats the real sad part. For me, as European this conflict was directly our backyard and most ppl won't even know today what happend because it's not that big of a deal anymore. The RareEarth series about this conflict reminded me again and it was quite a horror for me to know, that this happend not to long ago.
@@Jylakir That’s the reason I study to be history teacher, most history classes here in Austria get barely through WWII before graduation, but so so much of importance happened in the 75 after that.. Rare Earth seems like an interesting channel, first time I heard about it, will check it out
They still exist today in China, and the Australian government has recently built them under the guise of "temporary quarantine camps" despite the fact that they were built to last for years and years and.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 you joking? The dude literally talks about "negotiations" because "Ukraine won't be able to win". Of course, the "negotiations" are on basis that is not acceptable to us in any way. Of course, the USA should stop providing us with weapons because it won't help anyways. And he shields himself with "caring for Ukrainians" bs while it seems that he literally hasn't listened to any Ukrainian in recent times. Oh, and, of course, it's the US and NATO that provoked Russia, how could I forget
@@gerrydonohoe2765 yeah, man, we do not have a word in deciding what to do with our own country. Thank you, Mr westerner, very non-imperialist of you. As for the other points, negotiations are only possible when russian are driven out of our land. Chomsky sees it otherwise. Therefore, his points are not valid to any of us. I wonder why would anyone consider tham an authority taking his views on many matters including the one discussed in this video. The guy is so deep in "the us is the only baddie" shtick that he denies literal genocides and defends china and Iran somehow missing multiple human rights violations in these countries
@@gerrydonohoe2765 oh, I see, 8 years and other blubbery. I'm not talking about EU, I'm talking about Ukraine, a country where we, Ukrainians, live. My hometown is currently occupied but I should listen to some dude and agree to give up my home and my family that can't leave?
@@gerrydonohoe2765 apparently, you haven't listened to the video you're commenting under. It has a great section about Chomsky's reinvention if the term "genocide" and how it opposes the real definition. Check it out, it's great. Btw, you contradict yourself, at first denying the "the us are the only baddies" point and then jumping right into it while talking about Iran. The Islamic Revolution is a result of many complex issues and tendencies in pre-revolution Iran and putting it only to the Us influence is not just simplifying it but straight up putting the thing on its head. Yes, it was great influenced by interference of foreign powers (including USSR, btw) into internal politics but it was also a result of the corruption of the local rulers. Shakh Reza was quite an interesting figure in that regard. And it's corrupt to these days but with the religious figures that rule now. Funnily enough, assigning all the crimes to the big bad USA you always strip the actual people involved of their agency and ability to do something. This America-centrism of western left leaves you blind not only to imperialism of other countries but also to people you talk about. Maybe you should think about it
@@gerrydonohoe2765 my hometown is occupied but I'm on the free territory even though my family is still there. And while I'm speaking from my experience, I can assure you that I see enough Ukrainians around me here in literal Ukraine to understand what people want and what they are afraid of. I'm not sure you or Chomsky can judge it from the same perspective. Especially, considering how he and people like him usually disregard the history of colonisation of our lands
Here we are, 6 months later and Chomsky is repeating verbatim Russian MoD line that "US is attacking Russia using Ukraine" Chomsky lives in his own reality
@@gerrydonohoe2765 I’m not questioning what he wrote, I’m just saying he probably understood what backlash he would get if he employ the same gibberish tactics with the russian invasion. The world of “America Bad, Dictatorship Not So Bad” has ended since the Russian invasion
I hate Chomsky, but I don't think I'm wrong in thinking that the American corrupt are once again using a war to launder money into their own pocket. They are not doing anything at all to broker peace, which should be the first, second and third thing one tries. Especially knowing the risk.
But even many other marxists say Europe will quickly abandon Ukraine because they don't care anymore about American wars. I as a western Europe don't and I do hope others think the same way. Ukraine wanted to become part of the EU and is part of the European landmass. The invasion is an invasion of one of our European brothers/sisters. That's how I like to look at it, that the EU is not a superstate but rather a family.
As an American who used to be a fan of Chomsky, much appreciation for this video. I didn't know about his more insidious beliefs before, and I'm grateful to know about them now, because I have no respect for genocide deniers. my hometown has many bosnian refugees from the war, and I have nothing but empathy for everything they've gone through.
It’s appreciated to hear from other people to admit to not knowing about someone that the left put on a pedestal of virtue. I myself was given the impression of him by other people in America for him to be a honest political critic. In reality he’s a human being with his own fallacies and that people should be careful to make heroes out of anyone. This video was like when the secret veil of professional wrestling was pulled and I realized the dark underbelly of it all. Sorry for the long novella. 🤣
I don't think u can in good conscience deny all of chomsky's work because of his one mistake.. as big as this is. I also have no respect for genocide deniers but I think Chomsky has done alot of good work too
I'm in the same boat. As an American leftist, I thought he was one of a great commentator. If this wasn't a Kraut video, I would have not watched it assuming this was rightwing trash. But it is undeniable what he said goes beyond a difference in opinion.
@@greed864 in every civilised Country beeing liberal means center to center-right. Left means social democracy and everything wich is left to it. Just because there is only a far-right party and a center-right party in the USA doesnt make the center-righ party left.
He did because as this video fails to comment on at all is that a comparable genocide was taking place in Indonesia fully funded and supported by Australia, America and the UK. This video also fails to comment on what Chomsky claims as a genocide which also happened at the same time in Rwanda.
@@Mayadanava That is partially incorrect. The Viet Cong were not the same as government forces of Vietnam. One is a guerrilla force, the other is a formal conventional military. The military capacities between the two are not remotely the same. The United States also gave funds to the horrible regime, but it was not as substantial as the context may suggest. 90% of all foreign aid to the Pol Pot regime was from China.
@@Mayadanava Classic "what about x" argument. Also US and UK only gave list of communists to kill, and did not fund Suharto's genocide. It was the Dutch and Australians that supported and funded him, same with East Timor and West Papua, Australia even detained humanitarian whistleblowers, all of that without US approval, same reason why US only gave Cambodia diplomatic support, they were either busy or shell-shocked by Vietnam. Genocide was also done because of domestic issues, mainly because Soekarno's mixing of communism, militarism and Islam failed and the latter two feared that Indonesia become Chinese communist ally after Soekarno bought Chinese weapons. Genocide would have happened whether US liked it or not. US is also clean of "Year Zero", they would've loved to give weapons and give funds more than 10%, but US started supporting Cambodia when they started attacking vietnamese villages, and Cambodia was blitzed in a month, so they couldn't supply them, all Kissinger could do was to keep Khmer Rouge in UN council. And how could you justify intervention if there are people like Chomsky constantly nagging and disapproving of it?
As a Serb, I want to thank you for making this video. A very large number of people in Serbia deny Srebrenica genocide and war crimes in all the wars during the 90s that Serbs have committed, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Some of the things which Chomsky had said over the years have warped into ever present talking points and excuses made by the deniers about why and how that war played out, and how Serbs are innocent of any crimes. And of course that we were the true victims,. True, Serbian populace was also the victim of those wars. Many crimes were committed against civilians and a large number of people were forcibly removed from their homes. But that does not excuse the fact that Serbs under command of Milosevic and co. committed war crimes which Europe hadn't seen since Nazi Germany. In a sick twist of events, inheritors of Milosevic's regime still govern this land. Not govern, autocratically rule. Those same people who brought upon those wars are still in ruling positions in this land. We still live in the shadow of those wars, and are politically, sociologically and culturally crippled by it. Many people, too many, live in mythologized past of honorable heroism and courage during the fight to protect our own, but the reality is much, much grimmer and Serbia is consistently ranked as one of the worst countries in Europe in terms of life quality, health, human and worker rights, freedom of press and unemployment rates. It should be mentioned however that rampant genocide/war crime denialism is not exclusive to Serbs, however. Every side which took part in those wars has sizeable population who deny the war crimes that their side has committed. In the minds of these people, these wars never ended. They were merely postponed. ... On a more personal note - my father took part in the Kosovo War from the day it began to the very last. He once told me, when I was grown up enough to understand it - never to fully trust people around me, those whom I don't know well but meet every day - "you never know who of them is not a man, but a beast". He never told me what exactly he witnessed during that war, but he often reiterated that there is no doubt in his mind that, whatever crimes Serbs were accused of during those wars, they were guilty of it. ... Thanks again for making this.
Your father is onto something that only those who have seen the worst of people realize. As the Joker said “all it takes is one bad day” or “when the chips are down, these people will eat each other”. What he was saying is the same. People don’t know who they truly are or how evil they really are until put in a position of power or are pushed to the breaking point. The same people you look at every day who are just regular people will turn into demons when given the chance. The holocaust wasn’t made of a bunch people we’d think of as thuggish criminals but were committed by citizens who were otherwise normal, average joes. The REAL dark truth is that most everyone would turn on each other and become a murderer if put in JUST the right situation-usually due to factors like social conformity. As long as everyone else sees it and does it, it’s okay
@@sziartopeter8943 *sigh* look genocide deniers suck for muddling political diatribe and polluting the well. Please either acknowledge harsh reality or don’t expect to be taken seriously
This was really disturbing for me, not only for the reason youtube thinks it is. I've read books from Chomsky and thought relatively highly of him (until Ukraine). I was shocked when I heard the BS Chomsky said about Ukraine. I didn't know much about the conlicts that ended Jugoslavia. I always thought if so many people are saying the NATO interventions were wrong, there surely has to be a reason for it. The only reason I see is russian propaganda. I saw this video and spend hours reading about the Croation War, the Bosnian War and the Kosovo War... truly horrific stuff. I'm european, but it was before my time and really never looked into it more closely. How the fuck are there so many "leftists" going on about how NATO shouldn't have intervened?
@@zuiop9993 "It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations. " Here is a reason for you. Bombing any nation causes massive civilian casualties. While Serbians needed to be stopped, NATO did so by bombing military installations as well as schools, hospitals etc.
My cousin served in the UN peacekeepers in Bosnia during the 90s. He told me how they once walked by a barbed wire fence and seen what they thought were dolls tied up in the barbed wire, when they got closer they realized they were infants that were tied in the fence and used by the Serbs for target practice. He still has nightmares about things he saw.
@@danielshepard1449 That's what you want to comment on this post? Why is it you're so keen to deflect from the comment about a horrific atrocity? Bore off you absolute troll
@@toseeornot2see because in this case, it has the specific motive to murder people that are from a different ectnicity. At least you are talking about the kurdish genocide that is
There are way too many people online who deny crimes and atrocities committed by awful regimes on both the Left and the Right. It's nice to see some push-back against this that isn't just against Holocaust denial only. Good video.
He is well known intellectual. And to be honest international politics does not require great IQ or education to analyse it i am not aware that mr.Kraut is more qualified than Mr.Chomsky ;-)
Tbf most US thought leaders are bloody useless on foreign policy and instead always frame foreign politics as a totem in a internal US internal political debate . NC is appallingly knee jerk . I tend to lean towards agreeing with the creator
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Re: "Chomsky is non-political..." you crack me up!🤣Chomsky and the majority of his writings are inherently political, and he's certainly not afraid to admit his opinions on political topics. To make such a claim that Chomsky is "non-political" is utter ignorance. Anyone writing about political topics, especially when they give their own opinions and arguments relating to the matter they are discussing, is inherently political.
“maybe your grandfather deserved the gulag” is clearly a nuanced and thoughtful opinion that only the most knowledgeable philosopher would be able to make in the modern era.
This is the reason this one of my favorite channels. There are a lot of issues I do not agree with Kraut on, but it always seems like this channel is much more than work for him.
Also, I know he wants to separate opinion videos from history videos, but in this case he's not talking about elections, or political topics I understand his problem with monetizing, in this one is comparing historical facts and verifiable sentences said by Chomski, this is more facts than opinion, I wouldn't find any problem if he monetized.
To be fair; it’s his opinion, so of course he would be in depth on it. But I’m glad this wasn’t as bad as his old ones where he just failed very emotionally (with logic) against one side. He has progressed to a logical-calm argument.
Holy fuck. I knew Chomsky was crazy with his take on Ukraine, but this is crazy. The part that really pissed me off was his stupid redefinition of genocide. It's disgusting and so stupid. If you pick up any genocide textbook, there's whole chapters on defining genocide and the most common definition doesn't require that large populations are wiped out. The key is a deliberate attempt be a group or organization to eliminate another group of people. Chomsky's argument is really disgusting and offensive to all those that died in the Bosnian Genocide.
This private definition/argument reminds me of how some Americans deny native genocide by saying "well, they still exist so not the whole population was exterminated ergo this is not genocide"...
"f you pick up any genocide textbook, there's whole chapters on defining genocide and the most common definition doesn't require that large populations are wiped out." But the genocides that Chomsky denies: Bosnian, Cambodian, Rwandan, and THE HOLOCAUST, famously HAD large populations being wiped out. Like HALF of Cambodians was killed? 6 millions Jews and YET gnome Chomsky writes an article as a foreword to the book denying gas chambers.
"The West is always bad and wrong, and I will defend or apologize for anyone who is an opponent of the West." - Chomsky's worldview summarized. It's nauseating.
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser We could go back and forth with whatabouty all day, not saying its perfect but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but under Western Liberalism.
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser That's not even really true though. It's true that after Pol Pot was removed from power, the US recognized a coalition government which contained the Khmer Rouge against the Vietnamese backed government, but they didn't back Pol Pot when he was in power, and certainly not on his rise to power.
@@S1551 Yeah, that resembles to the Chinese "internee" saying "this is school, what kind of prison on earth whould have painting classes?". I have watched the interview by the Albanian man Olsi Jazexhi , and the interviewees were saying that they came to the school because of their bad thoughts or religious beliefs (no crime involved let alone crimes of terrorism), and in the end they become new persons with guide of the Communist Party, and they now believe in communism, science and the Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation (Chinese Fascism). It's a conversion center where people are rounded up and put into programs to mold state approved identity for them , meanwhile putting them into slave labor, sterilization, organ harvesting. Some who fail to "graduate" for years of "study" may then end up in prisons for bogus charges.
@@S1551 Yeah, that resembles to the Chinese "internee" saying "this is school, what kind of prison on earth whould have painting classes?". I have watched the interview by the Albanian man Olsi Jazexhi , and the interviewees were saying that they came to the school because of their bad thoughts or religious beliefs (no crime involved let alone crimes of terrorism), and in the end they become new persons with guide of the Communist Party, and they now believe in communism, science and the Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation (Chinese Fascism). It's a conversion center where people are rounded up and put into programs to mold state approved identity for them , meanwhile putting them into slave labor, sterilization, organ harvesting. Some who fail to "graduate" for years of "study" may then end up in prisons for bogus charges.
Notice how in each attempt, they try to deny it, obscure it or play it down. In other words, they knew what they were doing. They knew it was wrong, and they knew wider (global) society wouldn’t approve of it.
Don't forget Chomsky's denial of the Cambodian genocide in the 70s too. I didn't even know how his Bosnian genocide denial, that's disappointing. I think it's ultimately due to having disproportionate doubt verging on paranoia of Western media, where you think that everything Western media claims to be true must absolutely unequivocally must be wrong. E: actually, the lying is an indication of blatant contrarianism.
Haveing been to S-22 in phnom phen I can assure anyone the genocide carried out by the Khmer Rouge is very real. The are glass cases filled with human skulls, the only grave for the thousands tortured into false confessions and summarily executed on it’s grounds…
Damn, and you didn't even have to mention Cambodia! It's a painful irony that Chomsky seems to casually ignore genocide when there is a language barrier...
if i remember correctly, his position on Cambodia isn't that the genocide didn't happen, but that the US was largely complicit in it as they supported the Khmer rouge. Additionally, that their massive aerial bombardment campaigns devastated the agricultural capacity of the country so much, that many of the deaths can be contributed to it. I might be wrong but this is what i remember reading a few years ago.
@@nolanxuereb2914 He repeatedly disparaged and attempted to discredit the reports of survivors while heaping praise on reports that supported the Khmer Rouge.
The moment I realized this wasn't a video about Cambodia, I knew that there was a whole other side to Chomsky's mental gymnastics that I had never even seen before.
@@toseeornot2see My point is, post your "arguments" disproving Kraut, and stop crying about being "deleted". I can also claim to have a theory of whatever the fuck I wish, claims are cheap.
Linguistics student here. In Brazil, Chomsky is treated as an idol in Academia, you cannot contradict him in anything that you'll get people being toxic at you. Within the Left here, these Genocides are treated as fake news by the capitalist countries who want to denigrate the "peaceful socialist countries to brainwash people into the capitalist agenda". The genocide denial here is so big that many leftists here deny the existence of the Holodomor, and this is why many left wing Brazilians also are believing in Putin when he says that he's trying to destroy Nazism in Ukraine, and they like to ignore these genocides by saying that capitalist countries have people who die from starvation as a way to misdirect these acts.
I hate it that russians literally scream in their own news "We want to destroy all of ukraine, baltics, moldova and poland (and sometimes they mention Kazahstan for some reason). We want to murder millions so others would be programmed into being russians. We want to genetically cleanse everyone who is rebellious in any way" (most of it is said by russian deputy Morozov directly in his news show (yeah, millions killed is his phrase), one thing is said by one of russian RT speakers and everything is sometimes said in russian gosduma and on random russian state-run news media like RIA Novosti, TASS and Rossia1/Rossia24; and politicians like Medvedev), and people ignore it! It's russians who say it, politicians nonetheless! Why do they keep ignoring what russians openly say?
As a fellow Brazilian and linguist, I back this. Down here in South America, people listen to whichever shitty opinion just because it is hype in the US, be it left or right.
Interesting... I never knew much about Chomsky's politics. As a former linguistics student, I always hated him for going a bridge too far with "deep grammar"...
Thank you for this video, Kraut. It's disgusting that Chomsky's sugarcoating of both the Bosnian and Cambodian Genocide has been conveniently swept under the rug. In fact, he's still a professor at my college, and regularly hosts Q&A sessions with the students. It baffles me that a genocide denier of any caliber would even be allowed to teach at a university with no repercussions whatsoever.
Are you still in college? If so, you should definitely confront him about it. And show him this video for good measure, it shows that you have a credible backing. Edit: Side note, who even is Noam Chomsky? It's been a year since this video first release (witch is the first time I've even heard of him) and I still haven't figured out who he is? Mostly because I just don't bother to, to lazy, Kraut doesn't really bother explaining who he is, and me not wanting to be associated with a genocide denier. From what I can gather from the comment section of this video, the information that I know for sure is that he's a leftist political commentator, that's pretty much the extence of my knowledge regarding him goes (other than he's a genocide denier of course). Other stuff spoken about him in the comment section I can't really confirm or deny without digging deeper.
@@Redstarka22 Really? You think Chomsky is an important linguist? Tell me what actual accomplishments he's made as a linguist and the applications that's resultant from it? I've come across his work as someone who did computer science and psychology in college, and it seemed asinine. For example, universal grammar, i.e. his famous sentence "colourless green ideas sleep furiously" to demonstrate that you construct grammatically correct sentences that gave no meaning. If you think about it, that's pretty poorly constructed, all he did was use contradictory terms in a sentence, it's like saying "the circular square" or misapplying adjectives like "the happy rock" it's no deeper than a mediocre poet. His phd thesis was language acquisition in children, ie that there's a biological basis. Literally any multilingual parent would gave figured it out. All he did was formally write up the flagrantly obvious. His sycophants sometimes claim his work on grammar has some application in computer languages. I've never heard any computer scientist cite his work as anything important if at all and as far as I can tell, all he did was create some rather arbitrary categories and force fit some aspects of language into it, and has no practical application, so I'd really like to challenge your assertion that Chomsky is somehow the Einstein of language.
The "wierd darling" of US/UK far left is Noam Chomsky. The wierd darling of European far left is Slavoj Zizek. And as much as I disagree with Zizek and his sometimes assinine takes, he deserves darling status infinitely more than Chomsky. Also, boy, I never realised just how fucking deep Chomsky's genocide denial went.
I disagree with Zizek but i like his dynamicism . He's still there he's still sharp in wit Chomsky is just a dithering old fool , he's the type to fall into a Timeshare scam in Daytona beach
Chomsky’s work in linguistics and cognitive science is what he’ll be remembers for. In short his work in philosophy and science is infinitely more imprint at and influential then anything Zizek has produced. I love Zizek a lot and his political takes. And Chomsky’s political contribution in line with his credentials make him a perfect mascot for the ‘intellectual’ left
Is that actually Zizek's status? I'm genuinely ignorant on this, but my sense is that someone who interacts with English speaking audiences as much as Zizek might not be fully sated by what he can get from continental audiences. I feel he just presents as a European leftist who has opposed Chomsky at some points.
@@expandinga7960 what’s most disappointing about this is that Chomsky is an exceptionally young intelligent man, he absolutely knows better but choose to disseminate this harmful information because it suits his confirmation bias
As a Bosniak, thanks a lot for making this video 🍻 It's not just Chomsky. The international left in general, and especially here in Sweden, supported the atrocities right as they were happening. Serbias Socialist Party deserved their "international solidarity" more than my people who got put in mass graves. Only long after the war, when status quo admitted the victims, did leftists start renouncing Milosevic by re-writing history and blaming everything on the right. But before Milosevic was a "right-wing villain", he was the left's hero and yet another symbol of socialist empathy. How typical.
@@hamizanyunos1502 exacly, he had been transitioning Serbia to a mixed economy and cooperated with IMF. Serbia was a failed state during the war, there was no socialism happening there.
@@lilycrip3329 I know but I feel it has to do more with anti-western bias, some leftists especially Tankies are willing to support any government that is Anti-American or Anti-West geopolitically hence why they support countries that are not even left-wing For example Tankies defend modern China even though it is the country with second largest number of billionaires and ban independent labor unions thus forcing them into state-controlled unions which is akin to Reich Labor Front created by the Nazis.
@@VonFreklsteinYeah it surprises me that some people think that NATO sought to destroy Yugoslavian socialism when Milosevic was responsible for dismantling the socialist economic system and later running the new economy into the ground.
Interesting to hear this from someone who spreads great replacement conspiracy theories and fear-mongers about immigrants. Not unlike the nationalist rhetoric in Yugoslavia. It seems self reflection isn’t the strong suit of either the left or right wing…
It is interesting that the man who wrote “manufacturing consent” would spend so many articles and interviews attempting to manufacture consent for these camps…
I don't think I knew anything about Chomsky's views of the Bosnian genocide, nor do I myself know much about it. Can't wait to watch all of this video Kraut! Appreciate the effort put into this without it being monetized.
@@rasmodeus1 I mean, it’s clear where the direction to look is, look at the vulnerabilities people might have and what flaws may come of them. I hope you admire someone “normal” like a family member so you won’t be disappointed. Please don’t become misanthropic, it’s so exhausting and it makes you act like what you may hate in humans (pretentious and snobbish) but you have the annoying excuse of “I hate myself too”.
Considering that today is the 30th anniversary of the beginning of siege of Sarajevo (which lasted 1425 days) I will remove my post to try and remind you that things like this are still happening around the world and noone is doing a thing about it, so next time your elected representative talks about war or does nothing to stop one maybe you contact them directly and tell them about war
@@predragbalorda It's true that they weren't concentration camps in the nazis sense, they were refugee camps where mass abuse and slaughter was happening. That's not to downplay any of the horrible things that happened, but it is a distinguishing factor. Concentration camps (at least in the case of the Nazis) were extermination camps meant to wipe the population off the face of the earth.
As a Greek, support for Serbia was the only thing that united political right and left during the 90s. The Right saw an orthodox brother trying to survive Muslim insurrection in Bosnia and Croatian neonazi(sounds familiar?). The left saw Serbia as an old comrade( wrongly seen as the last remnant of Tito’s Yugoslavia) and especially during 1999, as another victim of NATO’s imperialism. Of course, any other explanation of the events that happened in the 90s would be seen as being a lackey of the West. Now, those right wing and left wing supporters of Serbia found a new hero in Putin’s Russia in its war with Ukraine, using exactly the same story and reasons for their support.
@@neeklmamp4955 Are you forecasting weather? I'm just saying what I heard he saying in a video interview and he said that " we can do nothing about it, but we can stop the crisis in Yemen." He wasn't denying it there, but downplaying the need for intervention.
I would like to add that as conservatives, my family hates Noam Chomsky, not because of his political beliefs, but for precisely this reason. My mom remembers watching this unfold on the nightly news and to this day, hearing him try to justify/deny genocide will send my mom off her rocker.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 @Gerry Donohoe 2 The definition of the word Genocide, according to Merriam-Webster dictionary is; "The deliberate and systemic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group." A single killing therefore, just as a series of mass killings, be they executions, murders, or military actions can be constituted as component steps towards the goal of accomplishing a genocide. Chomsky may be very clear on his stance, and it is *his* stance. It also happens to be the same kind of stance, if not the same stance itself which genocide deniers use. If your phrasing of Chomsky's defense is that a single massacre cannot be a genocide, because of the definition of the word genocide stipulating a systematic approach, then well done, the discourse may well need to be changed to reference these massacres as genocidal, or to take all of the events together as a (singular) Genocide. And if your phrasing of his defense is meant such that it draws a more insidious parallel to the Holocaust by stating this cannot be a genocide because it was not on the scale of the Holocaust, then recall a genocide need not be thorough or efficient to be attempted, nor need a genocide be succinct or complete to have happened. The very fact that we have the term "genocide survivor" as part of existing diction proves this. To call a given genocide a "new Holocaust" might be more likely than not a degradation of the Holocaust and its survivors. This is not what people are doing however when they call the events in the Yugoslav wars a genocide. To refuse to acknowledge the genocidal actions and the aggregate impact of mass murders in pursuit of forced depopulation and ethnic cleansing as genocide because it was not the Holocaust *IS* exploitative of the horror Holocaust survivors went though, and degrading of the survivors that genocide victims and survivors go through and went through around the world. This is what Chomksy's stance on the word 'Genocide' effectively does. But as someone else said, he is old and doesn't have much time left. He has also hidden behind so much smoke and mirror in language and verse, and his followers and supporters are just as ardent. Ergo there is aught to do but refute them, then ignore them, and lastly to outlast them. Please provide me with an "um actually" kind of statement as you have done elsewhere in the comments of this video, I won't be reading it.
@@AnotherDM I dont think Merriam Webster is reliable in this regard. I think the UN has their own definition, without the „systematic“. Or Geneva, I forgot. And under their definitions, those were all genocides.
@@AnotherDM but Chomsky is famously antisemitic, wrote articles denying Holocaust happened, and calls to exterminate Jews in Israel to this day. I am not sure what part of him is defensible, he's a typical overt Nazi.
As a conservative if your in the US I hope you extend this mindset to say my people black people, when we hear white people who are almost always conservative deny our suffering this is how we feel. I just had to bring this up because it's so ironic hearing someone openly say their conservative but get angry about someone denying their suffering when here in the US that's part of the conservative agenda.
@@danielshepard1449 Everyone has been wrong at one point or another. A proper intellectual shouldn't fear their credibility completely disappearing over occasionally being wrong. In any case, there will always be people who know you have been wrong. Owning up to it will earn more respect in these cases than denying it.
@@gryphonbotha1880 Yeah and he did say he was wrong. He was wrong because sometimes he didn't catch on to and report on crimes his government did early enough. He may of ignored them or thought they weren't important, which was wrong. What's incorrect about that? If there is something specific you think Chomsky is wrong about that he claims he wasn't wrong about, then just say it.
I was loosely aware of this position Chomsky held for a little while now, but I didn't realize how blatant he was with the use of semantics to distract from the real terror that occurred, I notice so many patterns between his talking points and those used by Assad defenders -- like the same usage of pinpointing focus on one western journalist or organization to prop up an entire ideological position against interventionism. What worries me most is I wonder how much I've read of him that's been fabricated or at least skewed, because the U.S. engaging in unjustified military action is what skyrocketed me toward the left. Good video regardless.
@@user-dq1je7zy3p I was already pretty amicable to socialism or at least anti-capitalism around that time, but it took that first realization that the U.S. narrative of "spreading democracy" was just that, a narrative, to solidify my stance against the status quo
As a Chomsky fan this is one of his positions that force my eyes to glaze over. He's pretty accurate with everything else but these things in particular I kind of just ignore his opinions on.
@@user-dq1je7zy3p Probably because economic policy on the actual political left (read: not liberal) is pants-on-head retarded. All anti-capitalism is. Anti-capitalism is something that is only entertained by teenagers, 2-bit philosophers, and academics who know nothing about economics. Anyone who is even remotely literate in economics is aware that capitalism is hilariously superior to other economic models - for the rich and poor alike. That's why China, Vietnam, Sweden, etc all abandoned leftist economic models in favor of capitalism. It's straight up better.
I remember being a baby leftist who hated the Iraq war (and also really liked languages) back in 2007, and being really excited to read Chomsky... and then being disappointed. I think it was some anti-war thing, which I was primed to agree with, but there was a weird conspiracy theorist tone that put me off... at the time I felt like it was my own failure, like I just wasn't smart enough or I couldn't handle the red pill or something. Looking back, I should give 21-year-old me more credit.
I'm also curious if Chompsky helped push you off the path of full-blown leftist. Seems like the guy does more harm than good with his insistence on basing everything on his need to dunk on his ideological opponents. As somebody who only within the last few years has been able to do learn how to do his beliefs justice when explaining them, I hope some old bitter guy didn't disillusion you.
@@SolarFlareAmerica “Baby leftist” as a retroactive self-applied term is something I can only imagine a current leftist doing. “Baby queer/gay/trans” is used similarly. Indicating now-recognized naïveté in our earlier positions and attitudes which have since grown and matured, but still within the same essential paradigm.
Chomsky was brought up in one of my lectures for my IR Masters and I groaned very loudly because I'm well aware of what he's said and done, I then had to defend myself to the lecturer and other students about my hatred of this man. Being Jewish I cannot stand genocide deniers of any kind and the fact Chomsky gets away with it and is still the most cited living author is disgusting, especially from the Left who are supposed to care more about these things
@@ArcturusOTE no, everyone in these courses should know what he said. Everyone should set his "utterances" in Context and would thus be more able to argue with gebocide deniers.
Chomsky’s comment on Genocide and the Holocaust is so strange. Him saying that a genocide isn’t a genocide unless it’s like the Holocaust shows that he has a serious misunderstanding of the word. The term genocide wasn’t even coined for the Holocaust, it was made for the Armenian genocide. I don’t know if it’s because he was raised Jewish and all, so he has a sort of bias. But I am also Jewish, but know that the Holocaust wasnt the only genocide, let alone the first. And that’s just a flimsy argument, just because something isn’t as bad as the worst case scenario, doesn’t make everything below it unqualified. Killing a person with a gun vs drowning doesn’t make it anything less than murder. I’ve never liked Chomsky, this video just gives me another reason not to like him. I love your channel Kraut, you’re doing great work. This thanksgiving here in the US I’ll be thankful for you my man.
to be fair wasnt Lempkin's study Anylising the ongowing holocoust by comparing it to the Arminian genociide? i belve the Study is called Axis Rule In Occupied Europe: Laws Of Occupation, Analysis Of Government, Proposals For Redress, he uses the Armian case as a point of comparison to demonstrate its not an icolated case i think
@@kingalfred9941 its not like fascists dont do the same in there cases. perhaps that speaks to something inately human in that if we so strongly commit to an idea or ideology we ether fail to see its errors or els willfuly ignore them to preserve our view of our selves as essentaly morraly good
Tankies like to pretend Holomodor was not a genocide, let alone acknowledge Goloshchyokin. Countries that have suffer both fascist and commies like Poland categorize both as hate groups. Be more like them americans, recognize that tankies are as bad as fascist.
Which is so ironic because Russia is a cleptocracy where the ruling elite gather their wealth at the expense of the people. They are supporting what they claim to hate. We call them tankies.
A regime that is basically a fascist dictatorship and yet they want to support it just to undermine NATO. These people are envious parasites who shouldn't be taken seriously.
You summed-up Chomsky's motivation succinctly at the end: his hatred of America and his 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' blinkers that inform his every view.
@@farzanamughal5933 I was just watching a documentary about Pol Pot earlier today, and lo and behold who do you think turned up to deny that a genocide was occurring?
@@paulwally9007 Noam Chomsky? Not to make assumptions about you but I wonder if you downplay the genocide of tens of millions of native Americans and other indigenous people all across the world by Western powers. I wonder if you downplay the evil of the immeasurable destruction and death caused by the US across the world in the last 70s or so years
Can I also just add that this is something that turns me off Internet Marxist/Stalinists/Maoists. There is this tendency to treat the latter two leaders with kid gloves because they were in opposition to American empire. As someone who loves history, and in particular history of imperialism and empires, I find it ironic that people are treating events and historical narratives either bad/good. Noam seems to also fall into that category with thinking that opposition to empire or colonialism means that anytime a military is used it means either of these two things. But the world isn't divided into two narratives. History, media and geopolitics are many and varied. Why is it so hard to apply this in a foreign policy situation? You weren't going to boycott the Serbs into submission like apartheid South Africa.
While I in general agree with your comment, as a South African, it is not so much that the old government was boycotted into submission as much as it was that its existence was maintained in opposition to the Soviet Union. As long as the Soviet Union existed the apartheid government would have received enough support to stand against 'communism' in Africa. Once the USSR was no more, there was no perceived strategic reason for the west to prop up the old government. TLDR - its existence was reliant on the bipolar cold war world.
Yes the world isn't divided into two in some sort of transcendental sense--at least not politically, that would be very silly. However, its hard to argue that the Soviet Union didn't represent a structural opposition to the American hegemony, and that this opposition's political goal was to reform the politics of the entire world to improve the livelihoods of everyone in it, and that this ideology led in many cases to real, material gains for actual people. And it led to actual atrocities at the same time in the form of Gulags, but the Soviet Union also had extraordinarily well-funded childcare facilities, some parts had legal abortion 50 years before the US, they encouraged women in the sciences and engineering and created parities in the workforce that the US has never seen, simply because they were communist states and they had the power to enact these reforms without interruption within the state. Yes its stupid to say "both sides are bad", but its also useless to claim a "radical" non-binary view of politics, because its usual result is inaction. Picking a side isn't about "picking a side", its about determining which ideological system provides the most practical material benefits to yourself, and organizing and involving yourself with others who you agree with to create systemic, long term change to the political and economic system.
@@16Muslimah Yes, YES! Socialism is and always has been intended as a step up from capitalism, a more humanitarian society and world. That in NO WAY means that it will magically eradicate humanity's capacity for cruel and unjust behavior, merely it shall vastly reduce the motivation for it to occur. Everyone does not call themselves "socialist" for the same reason, and it's easy to assume there are probably quite a few that wouldn't mind abandoning a few people to die if it meant their ideal society became a reality. The right is in my view only half responsible for this view (the, kid gloves view, just to be clear), as they switch (with no small amount of whiplash) between socialists being "idiot, naive idealists whose dreams are impossible" to "literally worse than holter 200 trillion dead" Whereas I doubt anyone on the left would rather be perceived any way other than the most just and rational people. But there's our source of whiplash, if we're good then surely our predecessors were good too right? Many have and unfortunately probably will use this as an excuse to play mitigation of crimes committed in the name of the revolution or a better world. Again, I'm glad "great man theory" is on the way out. A generation of mediocre liberal/conservative politicians will do that to ya. Tldr; nuance is hard for many people, people would rather see their worlds as two opposing binaries, rather than a complicated mess.
Thank you Kraut. Chomsky is usually applauded here in the US on the left for his consistent anti-American interventionist views especially as it relates to Latin America, but I'll be honest and admit I was totally ignorant on his stance on the Bosnian Genocide. It's deeply saddening, given that a large part of his media work is about the effects of propaganda and ideology, where it seems he's willfully susceptible to it if it means propping up a socialist regime. Other than reading that it happened, Americans don't learn much about Yugoslavia in public schools save that it collapsed and deeper details are usually reserved for college European politics & history courses which few will have access to. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for your continued body of well-informed videos.
He believes the US got rich through government intervention. No for a long time the government was very small as government spending made up a small percentage of the economy. The US got rich before social security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits.
@@noahremnek3615 most of America riches are technically from the land it gained. Outside of enforcing trade deals America had little to no reason to actually partake in the imperialism of Europe. Much of the raw goods was already there with only a few select goods being foreign but not far. If anything, the modern USA is self exploiting itself in a means to destroy the middle class it has made while sabotaging everyone including itself with extremely costly wars.
@@Xo-3130 No the US got rich through entrepreneurship and being a good place to do business. If raging wars is the key to being rich why isn’t Argentina, Iraq, Serbia, and Russia rich? They have fought wars in the past 50 years and aren’t rich how come?
@@noahremnek3615 That entrepreneurship was needed due to the US military actions post WW2. Even within WW2, jobs and production only spiked after the US needed to respond to Pearl Harbor. Since then the US has had a consistent growth of its industries by going to war in different countries. Lyndon B Johnson himself warned about the reliance of the military industrial complex and what that could do. And now we see the result.
This is the most I've learned about the Yugoslav wars. I know you think this is a different video than your usual format, but even so, it's highly informative and imo extremely important and definitely should be monetized as the educational service it is.
He is pretty wrong imo, can't get the basic rights, like someone already said- he can't make a distinction between serbs from bosnia, republika srpska or serbia, same way he can't do it for croatian part of bosnia or croatia as a country (as you can see when he shows people charged for crimes in south bosnia as proof that people from croatia were charged for operation storm, two things that happened in different countries not even close to each other).
Any history concerning the Balkans quickly becomes a confusing mess after you begin to dive deeper. Don't even try to understand what was going on during WWII...
@@tomislavjelic7444 Did you watch the whole video? He first shows the total number of charged Croatians during the war, then in literally the next sentence highlights that there were several charged specifically for Operation Storm, saying that even though they were unfortunately acquitted, at least they were charged for their actions during the Operation.
One thing i will never understand is how people justify using lies to push their political views. A good idea or ideology doesn't need people to lie about it to convince others it's a good idea.
Memories of this war are among my earliest in my childhood, and even then as a European child I was in utter shock that things like this could happen so close to me. The fact that Noam Chomsky is in denial of this, and makes excuses for Milosevic is so utterly shocking and painful.
Chomsky never denied Cambodian genocide. There perhaps is criticism you can make for Chomsky's takes on Cambodia, but saying he denied it is just ignorant or stupid.
"Who cares about a bunch of white muslims being put in concentration camps not seen since the third reich, let's focus on how bad the United States is because reasons." - Noam Chomsky in private, most likely
I heard a different version of that: "We didn't do it but we wished we did. And if we had ever done that, it would be totally because they deserved it!"
I will never take a single word Chomsky says about 'human rights' and 'oppression' seriously ever again. Jesus, I did not know he went this far. This is despicable, and he's a despicable liar, he knows exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it. My opinion of him is completely tarnished. I truly hope he recants and apologizes for his barbaric lies and beliefs that actively hurt the survivors of the Bosnian genocide before he passes. He's old. He doesn't have much time left to account for his past wrongs.
I tend to agree with Chomsky. If the killers let the women and children leave first then it is not genocide. If it is we need to find a new word to describe what the nazis did to the jews. He's only making that point. Again as usual though, everybody gets so emotional everybody stops thinking about things logically.
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 It's not a socialist problem or a capitialist problem. Nor a communist problem or a problem thing. It's a human being problem. Humanities capability to do horrendous things to one another is not limited to any ideology.
@@albens5852 Sure, but the manner in which socialists define "rights" and "oppression" is so ridiculous that they shouldn't be taken seriously on either subject. According to them, positive rights are a thing. According to them, renting is oppressive, but putting a landlord in a camp for not rolling over and letting a group of thugs steal his property isn't.
I'm ukrainian and I'm furyous at the thought of how russian atrocities in Ukraine are denied by some people today. I'm even more terrified on how they can be forgotten by all and hidden by Russia.
@@romanromanchuk7718 Government didn't claim anything about it. It was citizens who did it. Anything Russia claims should be taken with a grain of salt.
Refugees: pol pot bad NGO humanitarian volunteers: pol pot bad America: pol pot bad Vietnam: pol pot bad Cambodians after the war: pol pot bad Chomsky: AKHCUALLY
@@troubadour0663 The moment I lost any faith I had left in the US as a force for global justice was when I found out that the US gave the Khmer Rouge diplomatic and military cover
Chomsky has always been relatively forward about the fact that his ultimate concern is dunking on his ideological opponents in the US and that he's willing to excuse foreign atrocities as long as it serves the 'greater good' of undermining national security punditry (which he views as reactionary). He has outright stated that he thinks America should not intervene at all abroad as long as it has even minor problems at home.
@@mmmk6322 no Chomsky is considered great because he's a great linguist and somehow that made people think he's a qualified foreign policy pundit.Its not because the right was inherently stupid,and in fact a lot of right wingers were inspired by Chomsky's critique of the US deep state like Curtis Yarvin
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 Americans right wingers hate chomsky. Chomsky is considered "far left" in America, w/e that means. My point is, Chomsky is about as good as r/feeltheburn or r/mypresident, but compared to European liberals, chomsky is trash
Damm this hit close to home I'm Bosnian and by grandpa was kept in one of the Serbian concentration camps. They were starved, beaten, humiliated and had to drink gas(petrol) to survive because they weren't given enough water. Thankfully my grandpa survived but many sadly didn't.
My father who lived in Belgrade in 1993 had to travel by train to Hungary to smuggle 15 liters of petrol so he can drive his brother to chemotherapy. Why? Because there was no petrol to be found anywhere at any gas stations. Why? Because of fascists like Kraut who think it's justified to ostracize entire country, prevent them from importing medicine, gas and other life necessities for the purpose of geopolitics. So NO, sorry to tell you but your grandpa didn't drink petrol instead of water.
@@Ivan-fc2qm you DO realize that when there is a war all of the petrol gets taken by the military? Of course the civilians have shortages when the oil is hundreds of miles away being used on the battlefields. Your father couldn't get treatment for chemo and my father fought in the mountains and hills while being bombarded by artillery. Seeing his friends die and having to think wether his single mother and sister would be raped or killed just like the one in srebrenica. I'm sorry for you father but I have no idea how you can come to the conclusion that bosnian are to blame.
@@Ivan-fc2qm So what should've been done to stop the Serbian government from massacring, according to you? Ask them nicely? A few diplomatic booboos? I really would like to know.
@@shiveshsingh3169 So what should be done to stop any atrocity in the world? What did the "world" do when Turks and Azeri were killing Armenians? What did the world do during Spanish or Greek civil wars? What did the world do during many conflicts in Arfrica? What is happening to Muslims in China and Christians in Syria during the civil war? Should we intervene? With more violence, bombs, napalm?? What makes on war more righteous than other? Milosevic was at the peak of his popularity in 1999 during NATO bombing. Two years prior he had to rig the elections to stay in power. Aggressive American foreign policy gave him another 3 years in power.
I am so glad this video exists. Too many people see Chomsky as this wise old elder intellectual, when he should be mocked for his garbage political takes in actuality.
So many bad political takes, Ironically he justifies the US military industrial complex in his attempted takedown by identifying the means through which it leant itself to late 20th century innovation.
Here is one 38 year old that recently started to ask some questions, went to search for information and ended up concluding that I was blindly believing that Chomsky was a wise intellectual. It was all an authority fallacy. He sure should be mocked or at least ignored.
@@Duluoz67🤣🤣🤣🤣 this is so idiotic, this moronic video has been broken down by someone ppll as it isnt given full context but chomsky views on major issues on world have been profound and he is man one of most important intellectual considering the depth of how much one can keep up with events in the world, watching a youtube video which paints him as lier and untruthfuli is pretty shocking, ive done my own research to be found this untrue anyways,
@@Duluoz67 Most other high level linguists of his time and certainly after him, mock his linguistic theories. Paul Postal (another high level linguist who taught at MIT) himself in 2003 said that anything Chomsky says should be treated as a lie first and verified later. Most Marxists make fun of Chomsky for not understanding the role that ideology plays.
Fun fact for the weebs in the room: Noam Chomsky's denial of the Serbian atrocities frustrated the author Project Itoh (You might know him from the novelization of Metal Gear Solid 4) so much he wrote the anime/novel Genocidal Organ. It's about an evil linguist who uses the "Grammar of genocide" to brainwash people into committing genocides. Several of the protagionists happen to have read Chomsky and mention him from time to time, and partway through the novel even debate the validity of Noam Chomsky's ideas on genocide.
@@xdman20005 there's multiple scenes in the manga and novel where people talk about his theory of universal grammar and call it horseshit. I'll find a scan and get back to you
Wow, I had no idea Chomsky had such a solid and unmoving position on the Bosnian Genocide. I'm really disappointed especially when he was so critical and highly active in his opposition toward the American wars in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. How a man could hold such a strong position built on a moral basis to then turn around and outright deny or even belittle the slaughters of Bosniak and Croat peoples because "America Bad" is depressing. Chomsky was partly responsible for bringing about a certain moderation in my old conservative stances as I got older. Still, to see him engage in some mental gymnastics, I'd conduct when discussing Israel/Palestine or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe (back when I was right-leaning) is quite disappointing and very infuriating. TL;DR, Existence is pain.
I remember learning about the Holodomor and Armenian Genocide on my own in high school and felt puzzled that I hadn't been taught anything of these things and had to find them on my own. I had known some things before about Bosnia but this goes into greater depth and all over again I feel that I've been failed in some way that I never heard the causes, events, and consequences of it. And I'm sure this process will repeat, unfortunately.
@Maiyn of course it wasn't a genocide, stalin just kept the grain production quotas way higher than possible to sell to foreign markets in order to pay for industrial machinery, closed ukraine off, made laws against stealing food punishable by food confiscation, gulag or being shot, when ukrainians began dying of starvation, many of the deaths were registered as "hypothermia", "dysinthery" and so on, prohibited the spread of information about starvation in ukraine in the larger soviet union and when the first demographic census were made in ukraine and the statistics showed that the population loss was higher than expect, the people that took the data were shot. Nothing planned there, I'm sure.
Well mass murder and totalitarian regimes go hand in hand and the 20th century had some of the biggest totalitarian regimes. For political reasons though most genocides are purposefully thrown to the way side and even when they are taught they are taught in a biased manner purposefully. The Armenian genocide is a perfect example of this. Not many people are aware but the young turk did not kill just Armenians but non-turks including Persians, Slavs and Greeks. Their call to ethnic purity is what inspired Hitler to do the Holocaust. Of course that doesn't stop from people like Cenk Uygur to name his party after them and this is mostly acceptable by other leftists.
This was an exceptionally hard video to watch I will admit, as this whole part of history has been unknown to me for a long time, and I have been studying Chomsky for a few months now. To say it has changed my opinion on him and that time in history is an understatment. Thank you Kraut for making this, it may not be something which youtube will spread far and wide, nor something that will help me sleep at night, but its important to spread information like this.
Thank you for this video Kraut. In the 1970s Chomsky was also one of the most prominent Cambodian genocide deniers. Of course denying this genocide is impossible now thanks to incontestable evidence, but still Chosmky has downplayed the attrocities commited by the Khmer Rouge and to this day defends his stance at the time.
Growing up in Australia, any time I'd heard Chomsky's name, it was usually about his book 'Manufacturing Consent', which would be referenced constantly by people complaining of Australia's concentrated media ownership and increasing authoritarianism. I actually thought quite highly of him. I never knew he was a genocide denier, it's disappointing to hear such an intelligent man could be so ignorant of proven facts. This video opened my eyes, thank you.
It just goes to show you can’t pick sides in politics. Either you’re against political evil, you hate human rights abuses and speak out against all of it or you shouldn’t say anything. And yet politicians and their ideologues will do something as stupid as say “Hitler was okay, but Stalin was the worst” or “Stalin was a great guy, but Hitler was the worst”. That’s not a straw man or a hyperbole. Those people have taken over and infected both American and international politics.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot You know…everyone does that. I’m not defending Chomsky but every single, not just politician or political commentator, but person does that. No matter where you look that’s what politics is full of-people denying hard evidence to their face. Why even support any political party at this point?
@@lilemont9302 not saying it is…i just realize that all human beings are in denial of something that that doesn’t conform to their narrative. Human beings are disgusting and someone as smart as Chomsky being the leftist equivalent of a holocaust denier is proof we’re doomed
I looked it up, and I couldn't find any videos by Kraut about this Coach Red Pill, just videos by CRP against Kraut, and from the look of his channel, watching them may lose me brain cells. What is the beef there?
@@matthewslentz5481 Apparently, Kraut took it down, but a channel called The Jeffersonian seems to have re-uploaded it. Regardless, if Kraut doesn't want people to watch it, then maybe you shouldn't. If you want the story, though, here's the gist of it: back in the day, when Kraut was still more focused on anti-SJW content (as was half of RUclips in 2017) he and CRP had some mutual friends. When they became closer Kraut, to no one's surprise, figured out that the dude is a shithead and nonchalantly commented on it (can't remember if it was in a video or a live). In response, Coach Red Pill went full nuclear on Kraut, blasting his content and going as far as to claim he had proof of an alleged sexual assault perpetrated by him. Obviously, it was all bullshit, and Kraut dropped a thirty minute video destroying CRP's arguments and showing that rather than a successful businessman advising young men, the guy was actually a pathetic loser who lied about his background and basically lived in a warzone in Ukraine. The video was totally hilarious, with edits portraying Coach Red Pill as a cock roach and overarching tone of sarcasm as Kraut would yell, after showing yet another evidence of how pathetic CRP was, "can you see how this man is absolutely RED PILLED?" and a guitar riff played in the background. The video, in my humble opinion, was fantastic, so I don't know why it was taken down.
@@lucasnobrega1515 That whole drama was a complete sh it show. I got roped into it because I used to watch Zephanorion at the time. To this day I have no idea what happened.
As a Taiwanese that used to be left leaning and read about Chomsky, Sachs and intellectual as such. Recently I'm reading their argument about Russia and Chinese aggression toward Ukraine and Taiwan, I'm always baffled by the fact that they neglect the sovereign of people in Ukraine and Taiwan. Simply saying it's because the west, the Ukrainian, the Taiwanese instigate Russia/China, hence the aggression is justified. It's some next level cognitive dissonance.
The US military can never do anything right by these people's standards, because their standards are that the USA is always evil. We really do need to stop listening to them.
Yes it would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so dark, because there can actually be no action by western powers (intervention or non-intervention) which is not interpreted as evil by these people.
"World police" is a bit much but people who take a full isolationist view of world affairs are just naive. I'd much rather have the USA as world police than China being world police. Plus if you look through history, countries that turned inward and ignored developments outside of itself have declined and fallen.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 Well... I find it hard agree with u that the US should be the World's Police...Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, And an ongoing attempt to invade North Korea seems a little extreme for a world police, Yes?
@@plaguedoc7727 The US certainly ought to step back and stop trying to nation build, but something such as the initial invasion into Afghanistan, what it turned into notwithstanding, is a solid example of the kind of interventionism that is necessary. At the time it was not know what else Al Qaeda were planning or were capable of, all we did know was that Afghanistan was not co-operating in the mission against them. While the invasion and occupation of Iraq was wrong on many fronts, it's ironically incredibly Western-centric to only talk about the people killed in that war and totally ignore all the victims of Saddam that number even greater. Same for Syria, where Assad and Russia are responsible for most of the carnage.
Thank you for making this video. I'm a Bosnian Serb, born after the war and taught the same propaganda that most of my neighbors believe to this day. It took me years to slowly let go of all the disgusting indoctrination and misinformation fed to the Serb people by our schools, politicians, churches, and "heroes". The genocide and ethic clensing committed against the Bosniak people in the nineties is not only real, but the greatest stain in Serb history. That fact that those same myths that sparked this genocide persist to this day is horrifying. The disastrous idea of a Greater Serbian ethnostate started in the early 20th century, the obsession with the Kosovo mythology, and the "Serb victim" mentality that seeks to rationalize violence because of historical injustices. Perhaps the saddest part about all of this is that it worked, that genocide denial is the optimal strategy employed since the Armenian genocide by states on the world stage, that people don't care, that no lessons are learned. I wish it didn't happen, but it did and it will keep happening if we don't shout it from the rooftops. Thank you for making this video.
not sure its relevant though as when vietnam confirmed the stories he accepted what had happened. Now he takes the standard socialist academic tack of blaming the khmer rouge soley on the usa.
@@mangonel well the instability undoubtedly led to the khmer rouge, i wouldnt put no blame on the usa but most of the blame goes to the direct supporters initially (north vietnam and china), and believe me thats how the cambodians in cambodia see it if you ever talk with them. Its a surprisingly pro america country (and i say this as a none american so they werent just trying to flatter me).
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 suggesting the evidence against someone is insufficient is very obviously apologia. You can say he was right, the evidence at the time wasnt sufficient and only later became sufficient but you cant say its not a defence of a person or reigime.
Noam Chomsky did the very same thing about the genocide of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia in which a third of the Cambodian population perished and in which hundreds of thousands of people, many of which were ethnic minorities, were systematically killed. Later UN trials determined these "killing fields" to be tools of a genocide. When Chomsky found out about the public debate about the Khmer Rouge, he claimed that all these reports about mass killings and a genocide were fabrications to build up a case for American intervention. The survivors' testimonies were to him just lies and propaganda. He hasn't apologized or really changed his argument on this either. He's a serial genocidal denier and I bet he has even more genocides that he has denied since.
Wrong. He claimed that a specific figure from a specific source was false, and that's because it was. The US media incorrectly reported a source that combined numbers of Cambodians killed by the US with Cambodians killed by Khmer Rouge, and combined them into one figure blaming Khmer Rouge. When Chomsky pointed this out, he was labeled as "genocide denier." Even though he never even denied a genocide was taking place.
@@danielshepard1449 Wait. Why would it be relevant that a single source was false if the overall conclusion remains the same? That just sounds like cherry-picking.
@@nicolaim4275 What "overall conclusion" are you talking about? Chomsky was pointing out how the US media was lying about a source to inflate the figures, which is true. He didn't deny any crimes, he didn't claim nothing was happening or that it doesn't matter, he critiqued one specific article for lying about a source to push a narrative (aka PROPAGANDA). Of course, every western liberal and conservative pro interventionist jumped on this to call Chomsky a lover of genocide.
@@nicolaim4275 Because on the specifics of the Cambodian genocide itself, that is the only thing Chomsky took issue with. If a source is within the ballpark of the truth, but the source itself is fabricated, that source still can't be used. History has to be based on objective facts and sources. The source Chomsky took issue with was a translation of a French book, and in the translation the authors had inflated the numbers from the original translation. Chomsky's other main argument was that the media hyperfocused on the Cambodian genocide, which on it's own, is fine, but at the same time ignored and silenced reports of the East Timor genocide, was was concurrently ongoing. As we also noted from the first paragraph of our earlier review of this material, to which we will simply refer here for specifics, “there is no difficulty in documenting major atrocities and oppression, primarily from the reports of refugees”; there is little doubt that “the record of atrocities in Cambodia is substantial and often gruesome” and represents “a fearful toll”; “when the facts are in, it may turn out that the more extreme condemnations were in fact correct,” although if so, “it will in no way alter the conclusions we have reached on the central question addressed here: how the available facts were selected, modified, or sometimes invented to create a certain image offered to the general population. The answer to this question seems clear, and it is unaffected by whatever may yet be discovered about Cambodia in the future.”
Due to leftists like him I stopped calling myself a leftist and started describing myself as a centrist social democrat.. to my surprise most of my American leftist friends online started calling me an enabler of right wing politics and have suddenly shifted from praising the Nordic countries to outright depicting them as secret white nationalist states. I refuse to align myself with either the left or the right, especially the completely inconsistent American ones. The US right-wingers be like: "Our borders should be CLOSED! .. unless it's European fascists we're talking about..." and the American left be like this shit with Chomsky and that one I've just told you. Yeah, they can call me a fascist or a commie, but does it matter?
@@nikoladoctorov553 Yeah, that is the most maddening thing about US politics nowadays: you must pick a side, and if you don't follow that side's policies 100%, then you are regarded as a traitor.
@@souvikrc4499 I despised men like Rush Limbaugh talking about Femi-nazis then I heard Erin Pizzey explain how the dom-vio shelter she established was seized away from her because she didn't hate men. She described her persecutors as radical Marxist feminists, who she initially turned to for help, for allyship, in a cause she thought they would support. Since then, I've learned more about people like Derrida and Foucault and also Marcuse and Angela Davis and members of Weatherman and other groups who were/are a lot bigger fans of the ideas of Karl Marx than might be apparent. And WHY that's a problem to destroy, not improve & advance, actual liberalism to replace it with a dictatorship of dialectical materialism, allegedly to be run by "working class folks" who are de facto angelic bc of their standpoint as "oppressed".
The thing about leftists thats really weird is how they won't outright Deny genocide cause they know that'll make me look like those far right idiots that Deny the Holocaust. Instead,they try to get around it saying they wouldn't "call it a genocide" and that its severely exxagerated by the "west". which is much worse cause they aren't ignorant to the Human suffering. They know it fully. Uighar genocide is a great example of how the lefts been soooooo dismissive of it to downplay China.
@@lalitthapa101 While Pro-China elements that deny the Uyghur cultural genocide definitely exist within the Western Left, they're a loud minority. Most just aren't like that, and most see China for the authoritarian dictatorship it is. Fawning praise for current and past "socialist" regimes is pretty rare among modern socialists.
I've noticed that Chomsky follows a black-and-white philosophy, wherein capitalism (and America) only causes negative outcomes, and socialism only causes positive ones. It's a religious dogma, and he views critical examination of his own preferred economic system as an attack, rather than free thought. Unfortunately, this simplistic worldview is becoming more pervasive, in no small part due to the ill effect of internet echo chambers and a push towards the fringes of political philosophy. Complexity and nuance are a fact of life, even if it befuddles our neat binary moral systems.
Noam Chomsky for the past month has quite literally been blaming and warning America about escalating the Ukraine Russia war that he says Ukraine was “dragged into” when America has had little control or influence over what Russia had been doing and further more Ukraine wasn’t simply “dragged into” the war as if there has been outside meddling. It is right now fighting for its sovereignty after being invaded by a much larger, increasingly autocratic, Russia I don’t like Noam Chomsky
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Chomsky has said Ukraine has two options; become a puppet state, or be destroyed. He called their destruction inevitable unless a diplomatic route is taken, ie surrender. This was said by him several weeks after the Bucha massacre was known. After the Kremlin and Putin stated that Ukraine should not exist, as a country, and that Ukrainians should not exist as a culture. After it was known that Russia was forcibly deporting civilians. After bombing of civilian structures. After Russia breached every cease-fire, and set land mines on humanitarian corridors. Ukraine's choices are die fighting or oppression until death. Chomsky deliberately avoids any information that runs counter to his narrative "USA bad" to the point that it must be considered deliberate.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing This guy is spamming every post with a disingenuous "nO yOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HE'S JUST BEING NUANCED!" while ignoring the reality that the guy is only willing to apply nuance in a way to alleviate the worst offenders.
1) When you mentioned that ole Noam was a genocie denier I thought "Finally! A video on his support of the Khemer Rouge!" 2) "Population Exchange," was what they called the ethnic cleansing that occurred during and after the Greco-Turkish War. Wonder if Chomsky knows that.
To be fair the population exchange after the greco-turkish war was mostly an actual population exchange. The genocide happened before and during the war. In the aftermath of the war, the two countries agreed that instead of killing the members of the different ethnicity, they would just send them over the border instead.
@@michaelpapadopoulos6054It was still ethnic cleansing. Have you read teh acounts if the greeks and turks forced to leave their homes because they were now located in the "wrong" country?
@@mangonel Yeah, but when you put "To be fair" before something, that carries a connotation to it, especially when it comes to touchy things like this.
@@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding My great grandparents were forced out of their home and had to relocate. It was a terrible situation for pretty much everyone. And there definitely were actual genocides before and during the war. It's just that after the war, the two governments came into an understanding that they would send their minorities to the other country. There wasn't a need for killing anymore since sending people over the border was simpler anyway. I don't know what the exact definition of ethnic cleansing is, but the term population exchange accurately describes what happened in the aftermath of the war.
Holy shit, I always backed Noam because of his stance against corporations and such. However, I was unaware of this disgusting stance he takes. How can anyone…. ANYONE back Milosevic? I have friends who fled Bosnia and came to America. They are real living breathing people. Thank you for opening my eyes. This was very insightful.
Even though I do agree with his stance on corporations, I can't agree with him on what happened to Yugoslavia. Unfortunately, he is only one of numerous Americans, who embody America's hypocrisy.
Check out his views on the Khmer rouge. Actually, it wasn't forcing urbanites to farm for 12 hour days using hand tools with barely any rations and no medicine under the constant threat of santabaal executions, it was American bombing that caused the famines! Also be kind to the poor Vietnamese people...WAIT NOT THE ONES POL POT HAD MURDERED.
There are two types of the Srebrenica Genocide denial: one comes from the old-left, like Chomsky, because the atrocities were committed by a socialist country. The other comes from the (islamophobic) new-right, because the victims were mostly muslims. Both fractions support the Serb nationalist version of the story for different, yet both disgusting, reasons.
You Forget about the third type.... Panslavists telling that NATO bombings were act of unprovoked agrresion, numbers of victims were much smaller and also act of revenge on the muslims and Albanians for killing serbian cyvilians.
Do you know how many Serbian prisoners and civilians were slaughtered in Srebrenica before July 1995?
seems like primary old leftists in the UK and the US in particular oddly enough.
honestly thats even worse on chomsky because all my leftist friends, even tankies and hardline yugoslavian supporters hated Milošević and to see him deny that is depraved and disgusting
Noam Chomsky drew criticism for not calling the Srebrenica massacre during the Bosnian War a "genocide", which he said would “devalue” the word,[120] and in appearing to deny Ed Vulliamy's reporting on the existence of Bosnian concentration camps. The subsequent editorial correction of his comments, viewed as a capitulation, was criticized by multiple Balkan watchers. He called it a slaughter, btw. He doesn't deny what happened.
“The more I get to know people, the more I love my dog.”-Mark Twain
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Probably not Mark Twain but still a great quote.
It's a fake account. False quote not from Mark Twain to confuse and make people doubt things
@@jonathanjollimore7156 This may be a meta or post ironic comment.
@@jonathanjollimore7156 it was from mark twain although the full quote is this “The more I see of some people, the more I love my dog” it was from a trade journal
Remember just because someone shares the same political ideology as you does not mean you need to support them
how else could leftism survive having hitler, stalin, mao and pol pot in your camp.
@@jayclassic6974 hitler was not a leftist
@@Magiciantype-0 if you conceptualize the political spectrum as left being bigger government and the right being smaller government (which is how the right views it) aka communism/socialism to capitalism/anarchism. He was a leftst by far as if advertising himself as a socialist wasnt enough.
@@jayclassic6974 "Big government" is a very American thing lol. And it would render left/right globally pretty useless since basically any government is a big government. So everyone is left? The republicans are left when they demand to control what books can be read in school and what events can be hold? Any authoritarian and dictator, monarch is left but also any democratic one is? Any government that rules over a national state would be.
Also anarchism, syndicalism and such are right wing? They want to abolish or minimize government so anarcho- communism must be super right wing.
@@MimiMcNugget the spectrum is perceived as government by default their having power and if its used and catered to the "left" or "right" but the real spectrum is lesser to more government with the purist right being anarchist and farthest left being communism.
A Man starved to the point you can almost see the shape of his skeleton.
Chomsky: "thin man"
Did he actually said it? Or the video just inspired straw-manning?
Oh shit! he did
To be fair, a man starved to the point you can almost see the shape of his skeleton is "thin" by marxist standards.
@@aviztar "Starvation only happens in capitalist societies"
@@snakey934Snakeybakey bruh no, starvation can happen regardless of the type of economy, its just a matter of quantity and circumstance
This combined with the continued defense of Russia just proves that Noam Chomsky isn't truly anti-Imperialist; he's just anti-America, blindly so
@@gerrydonohoe3931 re: everything you said, no one cares
as mostly lefthies
there are two broad categories of people on the political left, those who want their country to be better, and a minority who want to see it fail, and blame it for everything. Chomsky and his acolytes are the latter. As is Corbyn et al in the UK, or at least was in the eyes of many voters and even those in his own party, which is why he failed so badly.
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Lefties hate the States because it put an end to most communists countries. But they'll also say that wasn't real communism.
@@bromomento1 Chomsky is right about America though, he's just wrong about other countries.
'Once upon a time in the Balkans'. You know things are gonna get spicy after those words.
You know that here in Balkans we listen to some weird shit and eat weird named meals like "Čevapi" and "Burek" and still we hate each others like we are still in 90s.
@@madkoala2130 what is weird about the names? Its like if I said to a japanese man and said "haha UDON, what does UDON mean, silly word'. Besides, the hatred is dying out a bit in the region, its still present but nowhere as prevelant as in the 90s.
@@madkoala2130 and make no money :(
Kid: mom i want to have more inclusion
Mom: we have inclusion at home
The inclusion at home: ARTILLERIJA xD
I would watch that movie to be honest
"They're centers, not camps."
What kind of "center" has a 5% *MONTHLY* mortality rate?
That's 24 times the peacetime mortality rate of the Gulags during the Stalin era.
That's 7.5-20 times the mortality rate of being homeless in the US.
Oh nice, today I learned that being homeless in the US is more fatal than being a political prisoner in a Stalinist gulag.
Did I say nice? I meant what the fuck is wrong with this world
Sorry am getting it right that stalins camps have a lower mortality rate than American homelessness? Or did you forget a number somewhere?
@@ASS_ault Tell that to the Russians who used cocaine to study for exams all night right before WW1
@@felixbabuf5726 Fentanyl is insane
@@felixbabuf5726 thinking that the ussr was a better place to lice that america
I mentioned to my Polish father that I'm reading Chomsky's work, to get more familiar with left-leaning authors, and he said something like 'that genocide denying commie'.
I like your videos :)
@@mmmhmmm8236 i don't
Just out of curiosity, why does Poland seem to have such a far right presence? I recently found a Neo not-see polish rapper on youtube and he was actually really popular lol go figure
@@theangrycheeto i think it's because of its complicated history as being the centre between two superpowers and it was very much affected by it.
But then again, I don't know much about it lol.
@@theangrycheeto Because Poland was under the thumb of the USSR much longer than than they were under nazis. Do note that while the nazis were more brutal, the USSR itself was still brutal as well. It's a complicated situation since Poland was a country that was pillaged by both the left and the right for different amounts of time, and so their relationship to the left and the right today reflects that.
Many polish people are uncomfortable with words like "fascism" and "nazism", but at the same, many support far right authoritarianism under a different name if it means opposition to communism.
In some cases, though you can still find outright pro nazi sentiment, odd as that is.
I recall his lecture here in the Czech republic a few years back. He basically came to inform us that our own dissidents and anti-establishment fighters from the communist era of the Soviet occupation, including people who died in prison from torture, in uranium mines or in barbed wire on the borders, were really pathetic LARPers and lead "very comfortable lives" compared to people in, say, South America who fought a US-backed junta. He was vocally booed and heckled out of the country days later. But he has very bad rep in this part of the world ever since he didnt raise his voice against the Soviet occupation and then totally naively backed Khmer Rouge in Cambodia because, well, capitalism! In pub language: Chomsky is deeply ideological and is only acting as a critical intellectual when it suits his long tem agenda, its almost infantile...
dude... can you email me this stuff? I might use this for a video. krautandtea@gmail.com
@@Kraut_the_Parrot Done, please let me know if you got it.
@@f4ust85 Any links to this lecture or the surrounding events that you can share here?
@Gerry Donohoe And you're making excuses for genocide denial
In Poland Soviet communism was dismantled by (among other things) independent workers union. Which was illegal. Idk, maybe Soviet communism wasn't that great
I was in the US army in the 90's and I was deployed to Bosnia as apart of the UN S force (Separation force) and helped dig up some of those mass graves. I still occasionally have nightmares about what I saw.
Thank you for sharing your experience dude ! 😥😞
I can't begin to comprehend how bad it would've been but I hope that people do not repeat these horrible mistakes in the future but I will be sadly proved wrong I guess.
Did you report back then where did you dig those graves so that famlies of dead can have same peace?
If you did, thank you.
@@madkoala2130 we didn't find the graves. We where told about them and one of the assignments giving to us was to identify as many as we could and return them to family.
Thank you.
@@toseeornot2see why?
What damns Noam Chomsky even more is that in his interview to the Serbian television he knowingly denies the fact that the Trnopolje camp was a concentration camp, not a refugee camp from where "people could leave if they wanted to".
At 29:40, in the middle of the interview he slips up:
"And that was the photograph of the thin man in the concentr... -behind the barbed wire."
This really reminds of the Sportpalast speech of 18 February 1943 delivered by the Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels who nearly said that "Germany was ready to confront the "Jewish threat" in terms of most complete and radical eradication of Judaism". He catched himself in the middle of the word and instead of "eradication", used the more mild word "suppression".
This is exactly what I thought upon seeing his slip up and catching what he's saying mid word
Good to see someone else noticing it too.
Not even the propaganda ministers can fully convince themselves of what they believe in.
Is that the same speech where Goebbels brings up “Total War”?
@@luperamos7307 yeah that's why they needed excavators for camp construction I presume. And of course digging multiple mass graves with tied up dead bodies inside. Mass murder is mass murder and Chomsky clouds his vision just because it was done by former socialists.
As a leftist, I was neglecting on opening this video for a while. Only when I realized I was doing the same thing I make fun of the right for, which is echo clambering myself, did I watch, and I'm very happy I did. History has no political affiliation and it's always good to educate on as much as you can to get a full perspective.
You're a bigger man than most. Its hard to push past that and test your pov.
Same.
And that’s how I became conservative 😛
@@sellyshootsandscores9300 honest conversation and high level ideas
Yeah, I find it best to avoid sticking a label to yourself and or your beliefs. I think no single ideology in the world has the best solution for everything.
"america = always bad/ oppose america =always good". explains his attitude to the russian criminal war in ukraine purrfect.
Bingo.
So he is essentially the Elder Tankie
@@tekaname4188more like primordial tankie
Cuckraine is dying which is good
Really? In the last interview I heard from him he really seemed to paint Putin as a power hungry ultranationalist. Maybe I should re-listen though.
Oh boi, the title is definitely going to light a HUGE fire.
Good
Why? The guy is an apologist for the red Khmer and their atrocities. Anyone siding with him on anything is seriously wrong in the head
@@KT-pv3kl You’d be extremely surprised how many young Socialist look up to Noam Chomsky. His lectures garner hundreds of thousands of views on RUclips.
@@KT-pv3kl The sooner that Chomsky is no longer treated as an infallible guru the better the world will be.
@@KT-pv3kl A bunch of socialists on the internet look up to Chomsky as this "wise legend". You can literally see how his lectures online gather so much views and shit.
It’s more sad when you realize that Chomsky denies the Cambodian genocide and the Rwandan Genocide as well
HE WHAT?
@@boreanonekatto8146 Yeah Chomsky has said things similar to what he's said about the Bosnian Genocide with the Cambodian Genocide and the Rwandan Genocide, it's pretty sad honestly
He is denying the Xinjiang genocide on Uighurs by the CCP, which is happening today
When the video started, I thought that is what it would be about.
@@slavic_bog_warlock it boils down to what Kraut points out pretty much to the end of the video... "To Chomsky, it is ONLY genocide if it looks exactly like the Holocaust" - so in essence, his defense is that NOTHING is a genocide except the Holocaust - and he does this to obfuscate the fact that he actually loves genocide... as long as it is done by an enemy of the U.S....
Chomsky also speaks of this like he knows 100% everything that happened. There are most certainly things that still remain secret and are potentially far worse.
that is the speaking style of an academic; one who speaks all day about ideas but must never implement them. to an academic being wrong has no consequences.
@@007kingifrit True, at least on how most academics (that iv watched/known) often speak of even theoretical things as pure fact.
@@embersdestiny Then they are bad academics
@@pablojn4826 Truer words never spoken :)
@Shy Cracker Indeed, and I find generally with politics its viewed as "weakness" to admit you are wrong... I disagree, I am more empathetic toward people who can admit they did/is something wrong and now lets fix it. I am a constantly changing person and my views/opinions/and information is constantly updated, I have surely made mistakes and done wrong things but I try to learn from them, I just wish everyone else could. lol
It's a damn good essay, but an important point is missing : it's not a one-time-only fuck-up by Chomsky. For a majority of his life he stood by mass murderers, as long as those were seen as anti-West. He denied the Cambodian genocide ; the Tutsi genocide ; Assad's gas attack in Ghouta and the Uyghur genocide currently happening in Xinjiang. I suppose it is only a matter of time before he states that the Ukrainians slaughtered in Bucha were asking for it.
Well would you look at that, he took the position the Ukraine was asking for it.
He splits hairs on Ukraine... he blames Russia for the invasion and the U.S. for provoking it. He still thinks the U.S. is most at blame, but at least isn't excusing Russia this time. At least that's what he was doing when last I saw him... I try to avoid what he has to say.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 yeah… not gonna get into a debate in the comment section of a RUclips video about the precise views of a habitual genocide denier. Have a nice day.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 congrats... you're intellectually superior in a reply to a RUclips comment no one is going to read lol
Not gonna sift through old Chomsky comments to refute an unsolicited wall of text some guy with too much time on his hands threw at me to sooth his fragile ego.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Why should Europe concede any territory to authoritarian mafia?
"Chomsky understands a critical axiom of sophistry: it's far better to mislead than to lie. Obfuscation is the propagandist's best friend. A skilled propagandist will not say, "Hildebrand and Porter's book shows that conditions under the Khmer Rouge were fairly good." Better to say that the book presents a "very favorable picture," to praise it as "carefully documented," and let the readers draw their own conclusions. Don't say, "Ponchaud's book presents a false picture of atrocities under the Khmer Rouge." Instead, simply say that this "grisly account" is "careless," and that "its veracity is therefore difficult to assess." And never forget the value of a good disclaimer: "We do not pretend to know where the truth lies..."
Bruce Sharp
Modern sophistry is alive and well sadly
Reminds me of the sort of gimmicks Alex Jones would pull back when I watched Infowars. He and his associates would openly scoff at the more “outlandish” conspiracies like reptilians in an effort to make his own narratives seem more level-headed.
@@kyledonahue9315
Exactly. If I could like your comment twice, I would.
Well and even if he's not out to lie to others, he's definitely lying to himself. Cherry picking what information, and how to view it. Those are some thick rose colored glasses though, to the point he's blinding himself if he sincerely believes what he's saying. Also looking at history retroactively while inventing images in his own mind about a fat man in a picture of emaciated people, he's deluding himself with false memories even.
Ah yes, Averaging Wrong Answers. Arguably the best way to be introduced to Chomsky's genocide denial history. Really everything on Mekong is worth reading.
I'm another American leftist that initially was afraid to click this video. I have been subscribed for a couple of years now and when this video came out I couldn't bring myself to watch it because of the title, despite loving the rest of your content. Then my friend and I got into a massive argument over sending weapons to Ukraine, and he used Chomsky's recent comments to back up his views. Then I remembered this video and decided to watch if it was like his views on Ukraine.
We need to be careful of our heroes. Chomsky should be ashamed of himself for abiding these horrors. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and I wish I had watched it sooner.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 He very specifically has denied these atrocities. He very specifically lied through his teeth about "the thin man" being a journalist, and making allusions to a "fat man".
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Boo boo, “aggression against civilians by the US.” The Serbs were committing a genocide.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Serbs: *commit savage and brutal war crimes*
NATO: *retaliates*
Serbs: NOOOO THIS WAS AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK, WE ARE COMPLETLY INNOCENT ANGELS THAT NEVER DID ANYTHING WORNG
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Serbs also killed civilians and children. They killed way more and were more brutal. But because Chomsky sides with Serbs I guess this makes them completely innocent?
Huh, the video puts words words in Chomsky's mouth, Doesn't actually cite where and when he supposedly denies genocide, or have sympathys for Serbian nationalists.
Regardless of Chomsky, the whole Yugoslav War topic itself is horrible enough. That concentration camps existed in the mid 90s is something, that i think most people forgot now.
to be honest this is the first time I heard about the Serbian-run concentration camps, and I consider myself a student of history (plus I study to be a history teacher)
I am shocked that we didn’t cover this in my high school history classes
Chomsky should be ashamed of himself
Thats the real sad part. For me, as European this conflict was directly our backyard and most ppl won't even know today what happend because it's not that big of a deal anymore.
The RareEarth series about this conflict reminded me again and it was quite a horror for me to know, that this happend not to long ago.
@@Jylakir That’s the reason I study to be history teacher, most history classes here in Austria get barely through WWII before graduation, but so so much of importance happened in the 75 after that..
Rare Earth seems like an interesting channel, first time I heard about it, will check it out
They still exist today in China, and the Australian government has recently built them under the guise of "temporary quarantine camps" despite the fact that they were built to last for years and years and.
@@snakey934Snakeybakey Australia is not building/running concentration camps
As a Ukrainian I should say that this video aged incredibly well
@@gerrydonohoe2765 you joking? The dude literally talks about "negotiations" because "Ukraine won't be able to win". Of course, the "negotiations" are on basis that is not acceptable to us in any way. Of course, the USA should stop providing us with weapons because it won't help anyways. And he shields himself with "caring for Ukrainians" bs while it seems that he literally hasn't listened to any Ukrainian in recent times. Oh, and, of course, it's the US and NATO that provoked Russia, how could I forget
@@gerrydonohoe2765 yeah, man, we do not have a word in deciding what to do with our own country. Thank you, Mr westerner, very non-imperialist of you.
As for the other points, negotiations are only possible when russian are driven out of our land. Chomsky sees it otherwise. Therefore, his points are not valid to any of us.
I wonder why would anyone consider tham an authority taking his views on many matters including the one discussed in this video. The guy is so deep in "the us is the only baddie" shtick that he denies literal genocides and defends china and Iran somehow missing multiple human rights violations in these countries
@@gerrydonohoe2765 oh, I see, 8 years and other blubbery.
I'm not talking about EU, I'm talking about Ukraine, a country where we, Ukrainians, live. My hometown is currently occupied but I should listen to some dude and agree to give up my home and my family that can't leave?
@@gerrydonohoe2765 apparently, you haven't listened to the video you're commenting under. It has a great section about Chomsky's reinvention if the term "genocide" and how it opposes the real definition. Check it out, it's great.
Btw, you contradict yourself, at first denying the "the us are the only baddies" point and then jumping right into it while talking about Iran.
The Islamic Revolution is a result of many complex issues and tendencies in pre-revolution Iran and putting it only to the Us influence is not just simplifying it but straight up putting the thing on its head. Yes, it was great influenced by interference of foreign powers (including USSR, btw) into internal politics but it was also a result of the corruption of the local rulers. Shakh Reza was quite an interesting figure in that regard. And it's corrupt to these days but with the religious figures that rule now.
Funnily enough, assigning all the crimes to the big bad USA you always strip the actual people involved of their agency and ability to do something. This America-centrism of western left leaves you blind not only to imperialism of other countries but also to people you talk about. Maybe you should think about it
@@gerrydonohoe2765 my hometown is occupied but I'm on the free territory even though my family is still there.
And while I'm speaking from my experience, I can assure you that I see enough Ukrainians around me here in literal Ukraine to understand what people want and what they are afraid of. I'm not sure you or Chomsky can judge it from the same perspective. Especially, considering how he and people like him usually disregard the history of colonisation of our lands
Here we are, 6 months later and Chomsky is repeating verbatim Russian MoD line that "US is attacking Russia using Ukraine"
Chomsky lives in his own reality
So we should just shut up and allow Russia to invade Poland ?
he probably realized this time the sentiment changed and therefore changed the tone as well
@@gerrydonohoe2765 I’m not questioning what he wrote, I’m just saying he probably understood what backlash he would get if he employ the same gibberish tactics with the russian invasion. The world of “America Bad, Dictatorship Not So Bad” has ended since the Russian invasion
I hate Chomsky, but I don't think I'm wrong in thinking that the American corrupt are once again using a war to launder money into their own pocket. They are not doing anything at all to broker peace, which should be the first, second and third thing one tries. Especially knowing the risk.
But even many other marxists say Europe will quickly abandon Ukraine because they don't care anymore about American wars.
I as a western Europe don't and I do hope others think the same way. Ukraine wanted to become part of the EU and is part of the European landmass. The invasion is an invasion of one of our European brothers/sisters. That's how I like to look at it, that the EU is not a superstate but rather a family.
As an American who used to be a fan of Chomsky, much appreciation for this video. I didn't know about his more insidious beliefs before, and I'm grateful to know about them now, because I have no respect for genocide deniers. my hometown has many bosnian refugees from the war, and I have nothing but empathy for everything they've gone through.
It’s appreciated to hear from other people to admit to not knowing about someone that the left put on a pedestal of virtue. I myself was given the impression of him by other people in America for him to be a honest political critic. In reality he’s a human being with his own fallacies and that people should be careful to make heroes out of anyone. This video was like when the secret veil of professional wrestling was pulled and I realized the dark underbelly of it all. Sorry for the long novella. 🤣
I don't think u can in good conscience deny all of chomsky's work because of his one mistake.. as big as this is. I also have no respect for genocide deniers but I think Chomsky has done alot of good work too
I'm in the same boat. As an American leftist, I thought he was one of a great commentator. If this wasn't a Kraut video, I would have not watched it assuming this was rightwing trash. But it is undeniable what he said goes beyond a difference in opinion.
@@arockstar18 I am a CDU Green center right American and I already knew of his ville poltudious Young Earth Creationist levels of demagoguery
@@erikgustafson9319 What does him being creationist have to do with him being a bad person.
Ngl didn't expect you to cover Chomsky but I'm pleasantly suprised
I expected it cause kraut is the most sensible voice on the left
@@joestendel1111 he is a liberal, not a leftist.
@@DreadMindforyou ... and in modern politics being liberal means you're left, the democrats are seen as the left, even though theyre centre right.
@@greed864 Left and Right is kinda relative.
@@greed864 in every civilised Country beeing liberal means center to center-right. Left means social democracy and everything wich is left to it. Just because there is only a far-right party and a center-right party in the USA doesnt make the center-righ party left.
When you talked about the torture chambers my jaw dropped. I was disgusted. Chomsky is a monster for saying that these were refugee camps.
“In case you do not know what either of these were, there used to be a European country called Yugoslavia” Hahahahaha! God I feel old now...
Can't forget Czechslovakia !
Hoi4 gamers rise up
Don't forget that Chomsky gladly called reporting of the Cambodian Genocide "western propaganda"
"B-b-but American bombers!!! America was the true culprit of the genoicde!!!!!"
He did because as this video fails to comment on at all is that a comparable genocide was taking place in Indonesia fully funded and supported by Australia, America and the UK.
This video also fails to comment on what Chomsky claims as a genocide which also happened at the same time in Rwanda.
And yes America did fund the Pol Pot government, which was defeated by the Viet Cong, and did bomb Cambodia into oblivion.
@@Mayadanava That is partially incorrect. The Viet Cong were not the same as government forces of Vietnam. One is a guerrilla force, the other is a formal conventional military. The military capacities between the two are not remotely the same.
The United States also gave funds to the horrible regime, but it was not as substantial as the context may suggest. 90% of all foreign aid to the Pol Pot regime was from China.
@@Mayadanava Classic "what about x" argument.
Also US and UK only gave list of communists to kill, and did not fund Suharto's genocide. It was the Dutch and Australians that supported and funded him, same with East Timor and West Papua, Australia even detained humanitarian whistleblowers, all of that without US approval, same reason why US only gave Cambodia diplomatic support, they were either busy or shell-shocked by Vietnam. Genocide was also done because of domestic issues, mainly because Soekarno's mixing of communism, militarism and Islam failed and the latter two feared that Indonesia become Chinese communist ally after Soekarno bought Chinese weapons. Genocide would have happened whether US liked it or not.
US is also clean of "Year Zero", they would've loved to give weapons and give funds more than 10%, but US started supporting Cambodia when they started attacking vietnamese villages, and Cambodia was blitzed in a month, so they couldn't supply them, all Kissinger could do was to keep Khmer Rouge in UN council. And how could you justify intervention if there are people like Chomsky constantly nagging and disapproving of it?
As a Serb, I want to thank you for making this video.
A very large number of people in Serbia deny Srebrenica genocide and war crimes in all the wars during the 90s that Serbs have committed, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Some of the things which Chomsky had said over the years have warped into ever present talking points and excuses made by the deniers about why and how that war played out, and how Serbs are innocent of any crimes. And of course that we were the true victims,.
True, Serbian populace was also the victim of those wars. Many crimes were committed against civilians and a large number of people were forcibly removed from their homes. But that does not excuse the fact that Serbs under command of Milosevic and co. committed war crimes which Europe hadn't seen since Nazi Germany.
In a sick twist of events, inheritors of Milosevic's regime still govern this land. Not govern, autocratically rule. Those same people who brought upon those wars are still in ruling positions in this land.
We still live in the shadow of those wars, and are politically, sociologically and culturally crippled by it. Many people, too many, live in mythologized past of honorable heroism and courage during the fight to protect our own, but the reality is much, much grimmer and Serbia is consistently ranked as one of the worst countries in Europe in terms of life quality, health, human and worker rights, freedom of press and unemployment rates.
It should be mentioned however that rampant genocide/war crime denialism is not exclusive to Serbs, however. Every side which took part in those wars has sizeable population who deny the war crimes that their side has committed. In the minds of these people, these wars never ended. They were merely postponed.
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On a more personal note - my father took part in the Kosovo War from the day it began to the very last. He once told me, when I was grown up enough to understand it - never to fully trust people around me, those whom I don't know well but meet every day - "you never know who of them is not a man, but a beast".
He never told me what exactly he witnessed during that war, but he often reiterated that there is no doubt in his mind that, whatever crimes Serbs were accused of during those wars, they were guilty of it.
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Thanks again for making this.
Your father is onto something that only those who have seen the worst of people realize. As the Joker said “all it takes is one bad day” or “when the chips are down, these people will eat each other”. What he was saying is the same. People don’t know who they truly are or how evil they really are until put in a position of power or are pushed to the breaking point. The same people you look at every day who are just regular people will turn into demons when given the chance. The holocaust wasn’t made of a bunch people we’d think of as thuggish criminals but were committed by citizens who were otherwise normal, average joes. The REAL dark truth is that most everyone would turn on each other and become a murderer if put in JUST the right situation-usually due to factors like social conformity. As long as everyone else sees it and does it, it’s okay
@@sziartopeter8943 yeah there was.
@@dylanbuchanan6511 oh really i didn't know that
@@sziartopeter8943 *sigh* look genocide deniers suck for muddling political diatribe and polluting the well. Please either acknowledge harsh reality or don’t expect to be taken seriously
Thank you for this comment and I wish you and everybody you know a healthy future and maybe, just maybe things will change.
It's kinda amazing this one gets "this video is marked as unappropriate and disturbing" warning, but far more disturbing stuff gets a pass on RUclips
This was really disturbing for me, not only for the reason youtube thinks it is. I've read books from Chomsky and thought relatively highly of him (until Ukraine). I was shocked when I heard the BS Chomsky said about Ukraine. I didn't know much about the conlicts that ended Jugoslavia. I always thought if so many people are saying the NATO interventions were wrong, there surely has to be a reason for it. The only reason I see is russian propaganda. I saw this video and spend hours reading about the Croation War, the Bosnian War and the Kosovo War... truly horrific stuff.
I'm european, but it was before my time and really never looked into it more closely. How the fuck are there so many "leftists" going on about how NATO shouldn't have intervened?
In its defense, this is pretty fucking disturbing so youtube isn't mislabelling it.
Probably got mass reported
It’s what happens when algorithms and robots handle complexity. But don’t worry, tech companies are rolling out this stuff for all parts of your life!
@@zuiop9993 "It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations. "
Here is a reason for you.
Bombing any nation causes massive civilian casualties.
While Serbians needed to be stopped, NATO did so by bombing military installations as well as schools, hospitals etc.
My cousin served in the UN peacekeepers in Bosnia during the 90s. He told me how they once walked by a barbed wire fence and seen what they thought were dolls tied up in the barbed wire, when they got closer they realized they were infants that were tied in the fence and used by the Serbs for target practice. He still has nightmares about things he saw.
holy shit that is so brutal and sadistic and to think this happened not so long ago in Europe is crazy
You mean the "peacekeeping" mission that killed like 2000 civillians?
@@danielshepard1449 That's what you want to comment on this post? Why is it you're so keen to deflect from the comment about a horrific atrocity? Bore off you absolute troll
did he also tell you that he's a liar? Even Bosniaks have said that it's not true. Also your cousin is a neonazi.
@@ZlatnoPeroTV pardon? I don't get how anything in this post point to his cousin being a neo Nazi.
From now on he is Noam “they trucked the women and children out” Chomsky
Can I add to the list, Noam "I think I saw a fat man so the genocide must be fake news" Chomsky.
They did kill children an woman to
@@toseeornot2see cool story bro
@@toseeornot2see there are literraly datelite images of them digging mass graves
@@toseeornot2see because in this case, it has the specific motive to murder people that are from a different ectnicity.
At least you are talking about the kurdish genocide that is
There are way too many people online who deny crimes and atrocities committed by awful regimes on both the Left and the Right. It's nice to see some push-back against this that isn't just against Holocaust denial only. Good video.
But I thought that it’s only good when WE do it :(
@@MorbidMindedManiac Who are "We" ?
@@basitreyaz6338 Us
@@toseeornot2see Cry about it
Well the denial of this attrocity has nothing to do with the great professor Chomsky who taught me that there WAS a genocide
Noam Chomsky is a linguist. How does that make him an authority on politics and foreign policy?
His linguistic theories and methodology is as ludicrous as his political utterances. So he stays at least faithful to himself. ;-)
He is well known intellectual. And to be honest international politics does not require great IQ or education to analyse it i am not aware that mr.Kraut is more qualified than Mr.Chomsky ;-)
Tbf most US thought leaders are bloody useless on foreign policy and instead always frame foreign politics as a totem in a internal US internal political debate . NC is appallingly knee jerk . I tend to lean towards agreeing with the creator
@@robrob9050 😮
@@robrob9050 Nice troll
I dont get why Noam Chomsky is consider the "greatest philosopher alive", he literally has the same opinion as every twitter tankie ever
It is other way around. Every twitter tweep takes opinion from his writings.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Re: "Chomsky is non-political..." you crack me up!🤣Chomsky and the majority of his writings are inherently political, and he's certainly not afraid to admit his opinions on political topics. To make such a claim that Chomsky is "non-political" is utter ignorance. Anyone writing about political topics, especially when they give their own opinions and arguments relating to the matter they are discussing, is inherently political.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 in his book; manufacturing coscent, he proposes a media-market 'propaganda model'.
Chomsky writes as a concerned citizen
rather than a person in office or party official
“maybe your grandfather deserved the gulag” is clearly a nuanced and thoughtful opinion that only the most knowledgeable philosopher would be able to make in the modern era.
That Chomsky voice actor really rocked his role huh :D
We should congratulate this mysterious man
I thought it was familiar
Nomadstar, he has a pretty cool RUclips channel :)
ba dum tish
Oh... OH!
I'm daft. It was you all along.
The fact that you were willing to turn down money and still make a 41 minute video shows just how much integrity and care you have.
Thank you
This is the reason this one of my favorite channels. There are a lot of issues I do not agree with Kraut on, but it always seems like this channel is much more than work for him.
Also, I know he wants to separate opinion videos from history videos, but in this case he's not talking about elections, or political topics I understand his problem with monetizing, in this one is comparing historical facts and verifiable sentences said by Chomski, this is more facts than opinion, I wouldn't find any problem if he monetized.
To be fair; it’s his opinion, so of course he would be in depth on it. But I’m glad this wasn’t as bad as his old ones where he just failed very emotionally (with logic) against one side. He has progressed to a logical-calm argument.
I mean, it's not really much of a choice if he wants to do a video about a gen*cide. It's bound to be demonetized.
Lmao
Holy fuck. I knew Chomsky was crazy with his take on Ukraine, but this is crazy. The part that really pissed me off was his stupid redefinition of genocide. It's disgusting and so stupid. If you pick up any genocide textbook, there's whole chapters on defining genocide and the most common definition doesn't require that large populations are wiped out. The key is a deliberate attempt be a group or organization to eliminate another group of people. Chomsky's argument is really disgusting and offensive to all those that died in the Bosnian Genocide.
This private definition/argument reminds me of how some Americans deny native genocide by saying "well, they still exist so not the whole population was exterminated ergo this is not genocide"...
@@Sfaxx Yeah, it's super fucked
@@Sfaxx genocide really depends, it could also be categorised as ethnic cleansing, since a lot of it was relocations
"f you pick up any genocide textbook, there's whole chapters on defining genocide and the most common definition doesn't require that large populations are wiped out."
But the genocides that Chomsky denies: Bosnian, Cambodian, Rwandan, and THE HOLOCAUST, famously HAD large populations being wiped out. Like HALF of Cambodians was killed? 6 millions Jews and YET gnome Chomsky writes an article as a foreword to the book denying gas chambers.
@@KasumiRINA Did he denied Iraqi genocide too?
"The West is always bad and wrong, and I will defend or apologize for anyone who is an opponent of the West."
- Chomsky's worldview summarized. It's nauseating.
The forefather of tankie twitter and garbage leftist content creators like Peter Coffin and Caleb Maupin.
Someone should tell him how the US backed Pol Pot's regime.
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser We could go back and forth with whatabouty all day, not saying its perfect but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but under Western Liberalism.
Tankies in a shellnut
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser That's not even really true though. It's true that after Pol Pot was removed from power, the US recognized a coalition government which contained the Khmer Rouge against the Vietnamese backed government, but they didn't back Pol Pot when he was in power, and certainly not on his rise to power.
Serbs in 1990s:It's not a camp but a center.
China in 2010s: It's not a concentration camp but a vocational training center.
Russians in 2020s: it's a filtration center
Germans during WW2: It's not a concentration camp. It's a normal prison. They even have a garden and an orchestra.
@@S1551 Yeah, that resembles to the Chinese "internee" saying "this is school, what kind of prison on earth whould have painting classes?". I have watched the interview by the Albanian man Olsi Jazexhi , and the interviewees were saying that they came to the school because of their bad thoughts or religious beliefs (no crime involved let alone crimes of terrorism), and in the end they become new persons with guide of the Communist Party, and they now believe in communism, science and the Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation (Chinese Fascism). It's a conversion center where people are rounded up and put into programs to mold state approved identity for them , meanwhile putting them into slave labor, sterilization, organ harvesting. Some who fail to "graduate" for years of "study" may then end up in prisons for bogus charges.
@@S1551 Yeah, that resembles to the Chinese "internee" saying "this is school, what kind of prison on earth whould have painting classes?". I have watched the interview by the Albanian man Olsi Jazexhi , and the interviewees were saying that they came to the school because of their bad thoughts or religious beliefs (no crime involved let alone crimes of terrorism), and in the end they become new persons with guide of the Communist Party, and they now believe in communism, science and the Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation (Chinese Fascism). It's a conversion center where people are rounded up and put into programs to mold state approved identity for them , meanwhile putting them into slave labor, sterilization, organ harvesting. Some who fail to "graduate" for years of "study" may then end up in prisons for bogus charges.
Notice how in each attempt, they try to deny it, obscure it or play it down.
In other words, they knew what they were doing. They knew it was wrong, and they knew wider (global) society wouldn’t approve of it.
Don't forget Chomsky's denial of the Cambodian genocide in the 70s too. I didn't even know how his Bosnian genocide denial, that's disappointing. I think it's ultimately due to having disproportionate doubt verging on paranoia of Western media, where you think that everything Western media claims to be true must absolutely unequivocally must be wrong.
E: actually, the lying is an indication of blatant contrarianism.
Notice as well his position on Cambodia flipped the moment US policy towards Pol Pot flipped. He is a reactionary.
I mean obviously with capitalist media criticism of socialism it’s good to be skeptical, but you have to look at the facts and trust objective sources
Haveing been to S-22 in phnom phen I can assure anyone the genocide carried out by the Khmer Rouge is very real. The are glass cases filled with human skulls, the only grave for the thousands tortured into false confessions and summarily executed on it’s grounds…
Primero, no soy su amigo. Segundo, quien es usted y tercero, que le importa
I wonder if Chomsky denied the Holodomur in Ukraine in the 1930s.
This video has aged very well after the invasion of Ukraine, except for one statement:
"Europe's last genocide"
Damn, and you didn't even have to mention Cambodia! It's a painful irony that Chomsky seems to casually ignore genocide when there is a language barrier...
And done by either communist countries or former ones...
cause he’s a linguist right
Kraut probably didn't mention Cambodia because Chomsky never denied that genocide took place there.
if i remember correctly, his position on Cambodia isn't that the genocide didn't happen, but that the US was largely complicit in it as they supported the Khmer rouge. Additionally, that their massive aerial bombardment campaigns devastated the agricultural capacity of the country so much, that many of the deaths can be contributed to it. I might be wrong but this is what i remember reading a few years ago.
@@nolanxuereb2914 He repeatedly disparaged and attempted to discredit the reports of survivors while heaping praise on reports that supported the Khmer Rouge.
The moment I realized this wasn't a video about Cambodia, I knew that there was a whole other side to Chomsky's mental gymnastics that I had never even seen before.
Can you share the link to that video about Cambodia?
@@jurtra9090 There isn't one.
@@toseeornot2see I have a proof of Fermat's last theorem on my college notes somewhere, I swear!
@@toseeornot2see My point is, post your "arguments" disproving Kraut, and stop crying about being "deleted". I can also claim to have a theory of whatever the fuck I wish, claims are cheap.
@@toseeornot2see Replying just to be notified of your response
Linguistics student here. In Brazil, Chomsky is treated as an idol in Academia, you cannot contradict him in anything that you'll get people being toxic at you. Within the Left here, these Genocides are treated as fake news by the capitalist countries who want to denigrate the "peaceful socialist countries to brainwash people into the capitalist agenda". The genocide denial here is so big that many leftists here deny the existence of the Holodomor, and this is why many left wing Brazilians also are believing in Putin when he says that he's trying to destroy Nazism in Ukraine, and they like to ignore these genocides by saying that capitalist countries have people who die from starvation as a way to misdirect these acts.
as a Croatian, i have to say that latin america is fked in the ass in coming future
I hate it that russians literally scream in their own news "We want to destroy all of ukraine, baltics, moldova and poland (and sometimes they mention Kazahstan for some reason). We want to murder millions so others would be programmed into being russians. We want to genetically cleanse everyone who is rebellious in any way" (most of it is said by russian deputy Morozov directly in his news show (yeah, millions killed is his phrase), one thing is said by one of russian RT speakers and everything is sometimes said in russian gosduma and on random russian state-run news media like RIA Novosti, TASS and Rossia1/Rossia24; and politicians like Medvedev), and people ignore it! It's russians who say it, politicians nonetheless! Why do they keep ignoring what russians openly say?
Shit like this is why I refuse to join any political group. I don't want to put my critical thinking in danger.
As a fellow Brazilian and linguist, I back this. Down here in South America, people listen to whichever shitty opinion just because it is hype in the US, be it left or right.
Interesting... I never knew much about Chomsky's politics. As a former linguistics student, I always hated him for going a bridge too far with "deep grammar"...
Thank you for this video, Kraut. It's disgusting that Chomsky's sugarcoating of both the Bosnian and Cambodian Genocide has been conveniently swept under the rug. In fact, he's still a professor at my college, and regularly hosts Q&A sessions with the students. It baffles me that a genocide denier of any caliber would even be allowed to teach at a university with no repercussions whatsoever.
Luckily really "dangerous" men like Jordan Peterson are offered no platform in colleges.
Are you still in college? If so, you should definitely confront him about it. And show him this video for good measure, it shows that you have a credible backing.
Edit:
Side note, who even is Noam Chomsky? It's been a year since this video first release (witch is the first time I've even heard of him) and I still haven't figured out who he is? Mostly because I just don't bother to, to lazy, Kraut doesn't really bother explaining who he is, and me not wanting to be associated with a genocide denier. From what I can gather from the comment section of this video, the information that I know for sure is that he's a leftist political commentator, that's pretty much the extence of my knowledge regarding him goes (other than he's a genocide denier of course). Other stuff spoken about him in the comment section I can't really confirm or deny without digging deeper.
@@Redstarka22 thanks 👍.
throw some eggs
@@Redstarka22 Really?
You think Chomsky is an important linguist? Tell me what actual accomplishments he's made as a linguist and the applications that's resultant from it?
I've come across his work as someone who did computer science and psychology in college, and it seemed asinine.
For example, universal grammar, i.e. his famous sentence "colourless green ideas sleep furiously" to demonstrate that you construct grammatically correct sentences that gave no meaning.
If you think about it, that's pretty poorly constructed, all he did was use contradictory terms in a sentence, it's like saying "the circular square" or misapplying adjectives like "the happy rock" it's no deeper than a mediocre poet.
His phd thesis was language acquisition in children, ie that there's a biological basis.
Literally any multilingual parent would gave figured it out. All he did was formally write up the flagrantly obvious.
His sycophants sometimes claim his work on grammar has some application in computer languages.
I've never heard any computer scientist cite his work as anything important if at all and as far as I can tell, all he did was create some rather arbitrary categories and force fit some aspects of language into it, and has no practical application, so I'd really like to challenge your assertion that Chomsky is somehow the Einstein of language.
The "wierd darling" of US/UK far left is Noam Chomsky. The wierd darling of European far left is Slavoj Zizek. And as much as I disagree with Zizek and his sometimes assinine takes, he deserves darling status infinitely more than Chomsky.
Also, boy, I never realised just how fucking deep Chomsky's genocide denial went.
I disagree with Zizek but i like his dynamicism . He's still there he's still sharp in wit
Chomsky is just a dithering old fool , he's the type to fall into a Timeshare scam in Daytona beach
Chomsky’s work in linguistics and cognitive science is what he’ll be remembers for. In short his work in philosophy and science is infinitely more imprint at and influential then anything Zizek has produced. I love Zizek a lot and his political takes.
And Chomsky’s political contribution in line with his credentials make him a perfect mascot for the ‘intellectual’ left
Mark Fisher guys...
@@kettleworks the glizzy gladiator
Is that actually Zizek's status? I'm genuinely ignorant on this, but my sense is that someone who interacts with English speaking audiences as much as Zizek might not be fully sated by what he can get from continental audiences. I feel he just presents as a European leftist who has opposed Chomsky at some points.
29:41 "photograph of the thin man in the concen...behind the barbed wire". That's some nice linguistics you got there Chomsky.
That shows that he isn't stupid- he's lying.
@@expandinga7960 what’s most disappointing about this is that Chomsky is an exceptionally young intelligent man, he absolutely knows better but choose to disseminate this harmful information because it suits his confirmation bias
I don’t think he’s young
As a Bosniak, thanks a lot for making this video 🍻
It's not just Chomsky. The international left in general, and especially here in Sweden, supported the atrocities right as they were happening. Serbias Socialist Party deserved their "international solidarity" more than my people who got put in mass graves.
Only long after the war, when status quo admitted the victims, did leftists start renouncing Milosevic by re-writing history and blaming everything on the right. But before Milosevic was a "right-wing villain", he was the left's hero and yet another symbol of socialist empathy.
How typical.
What is ridiculous is that Milosevic was a supporter of privatization and neoliberal reforms that helped destabilize Yugoslavia in the first place.
@@hamizanyunos1502 exacly, he had been transitioning Serbia to a mixed economy and cooperated with IMF. Serbia was a failed state during the war, there was no socialism happening there.
@@lilycrip3329 I know but I feel it has to do more with anti-western bias, some leftists especially Tankies are willing to support any government that is Anti-American or Anti-West geopolitically hence why they support countries that are not even left-wing For example Tankies defend modern China even though it is the country with second largest number of billionaires and ban independent labor unions thus forcing them into state-controlled unions which is akin to Reich Labor Front created by the Nazis.
@@VonFreklsteinYeah it surprises me that some people think that NATO sought to destroy Yugoslavian socialism when Milosevic was responsible for dismantling the socialist economic system and later running the new economy into the ground.
Interesting to hear this from someone who spreads great replacement conspiracy theories and fear-mongers about immigrants. Not unlike the nationalist rhetoric in Yugoslavia. It seems self reflection isn’t the strong suit of either the left or right wing…
It is interesting that the man who wrote “manufacturing consent” would spend so many articles and interviews attempting to manufacture consent for these camps…
The best part is when he almost called it a concentration camp.
29:42
"A conc.... reeducation camp"
Oh my god, its like he wants to call it a concentration camp but doesnt want to hurt Serbian nationalism
This needs more likes
well spotted! talk about a Freudian slip XD
Maybe that's because he was comparing it to actual concentration camps, like Auschwitz in the very next sentence?
I don't think I knew anything about Chomsky's views of the Bosnian genocide, nor do I myself know much about it.
Can't wait to watch all of this video Kraut! Appreciate the effort put into this without it being monetized.
once you start down the Balkan rabbit hole you will realize that it has no bottom
I guess don't look too deep into the people you admire. I had no idea about this.
I feel like I should be a Diogenes and look for one honest man.
@@rasmodeus1 I mean, it’s clear where the direction to look is, look at the vulnerabilities people might have and what flaws may come of them.
I hope you admire someone “normal” like a family member so you won’t be disappointed.
Please don’t become misanthropic, it’s so exhausting and it makes you act like what you may hate in humans (pretentious and snobbish) but you have the annoying excuse of “I hate myself too”.
Assuming of course it was genocide.
@@YanPagh it was. Or at least, it was an attempt at one.
Considering that today is the 30th anniversary of the beginning of siege of Sarajevo (which lasted 1425 days) I will remove my post to try and remind you that things like this are still happening around the world and noone is doing a thing about it, so next time your elected representative talks about war or does nothing to stop one maybe you contact them directly and tell them about war
Is this true!? Holy shit I had to do a double take
Like actually double taked for 40min
That's a heartbreaking story what's funnily enough about it? 😮
@@predragbalorda so it was the Croatians?
@@predragbalorda It's true that they weren't concentration camps in the nazis sense, they were refugee camps where mass abuse and slaughter was happening. That's not to downplay any of the horrible things that happened, but it is a distinguishing factor. Concentration camps (at least in the case of the Nazis) were extermination camps meant to wipe the population off the face of the earth.
As a Greek, support for Serbia was the only thing that united political right and left during the 90s. The Right saw an orthodox brother trying to survive Muslim insurrection in Bosnia and Croatian neonazi(sounds familiar?). The left saw Serbia as an old comrade( wrongly seen as the last remnant of Tito’s Yugoslavia) and especially during 1999, as another victim of NATO’s imperialism. Of course, any other explanation of the events that happened in the 90s would be seen as being a lackey of the West. Now, those right wing and left wing supporters of Serbia found a new hero in Putin’s Russia in its war with Ukraine, using exactly the same story and reasons for their support.
Goddamn history dose fucking rhyme
Now Chomsky is saying the concentration camps in East Turkistan are not serious enough.
He’s gonna say that the concentration camps for Muslims aren’t happening
@@neeklmamp4955 Are you forecasting weather? I'm just saying what I heard he saying in a video interview and he said that " we can do nothing about it, but we can stop the crisis in Yemen." He wasn't denying it there, but downplaying the need for intervention.
@@abuhammad Chomsky is the typical "its not bad if we do it" guy.
I would like to add that as conservatives, my family hates Noam Chomsky, not because of his political beliefs, but for precisely this reason. My mom remembers watching this unfold on the nightly news and to this day, hearing him try to justify/deny genocide will send my mom off her rocker.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Shut up you bot.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 @Gerry Donohoe 2
The definition of the word Genocide, according to Merriam-Webster dictionary is;
"The deliberate and systemic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group."
A single killing therefore, just as a series of mass killings, be they executions, murders, or military actions can be constituted as component steps towards the goal of accomplishing a genocide. Chomsky may be very clear on his stance, and it is *his* stance. It also happens to be the same kind of stance, if not the same stance itself which genocide deniers use.
If your phrasing of Chomsky's defense is that a single massacre cannot be a genocide, because of the definition of the word genocide stipulating a systematic approach, then well done, the discourse may well need to be changed to reference these massacres as genocidal, or to take all of the events together as a (singular) Genocide.
And if your phrasing of his defense is meant such that it draws a more insidious parallel to the Holocaust by stating this cannot be a genocide because it was not on the scale of the Holocaust, then recall a genocide need not be thorough or efficient to be attempted, nor need a genocide be succinct or complete to have happened. The very fact that we have the term "genocide survivor" as part of existing diction proves this.
To call a given genocide a "new Holocaust" might be more likely than not a degradation of the Holocaust and its survivors. This is not what people are doing however when they call the events in the Yugoslav wars a genocide.
To refuse to acknowledge the genocidal actions and the aggregate impact of mass murders in pursuit of forced depopulation and ethnic cleansing as genocide because it was not the Holocaust *IS* exploitative of the horror Holocaust survivors went though, and degrading of the survivors that genocide victims and survivors go through and went through around the world. This is what Chomksy's stance on the word 'Genocide' effectively does.
But as someone else said, he is old and doesn't have much time left. He has also hidden behind so much smoke and mirror in language and verse, and his followers and supporters are just as ardent. Ergo there is aught to do but refute them, then ignore them, and lastly to outlast them.
Please provide me with an "um actually" kind of statement as you have done elsewhere in the comments of this video, I won't be reading it.
@@AnotherDM I dont think Merriam Webster is reliable in this regard.
I think the UN has their own definition, without the „systematic“. Or Geneva, I forgot.
And under their definitions, those were all genocides.
@@AnotherDM but Chomsky is famously antisemitic, wrote articles denying Holocaust happened, and calls to exterminate Jews in Israel to this day. I am not sure what part of him is defensible, he's a typical overt Nazi.
As a conservative if your in the US I hope you extend this mindset to say my people black people, when we hear white people who are almost always conservative deny our suffering this is how we feel.
I just had to bring this up because it's so ironic hearing someone openly say their conservative but get angry about someone denying their suffering when here in the US that's part of the conservative agenda.
"Have you ever been wrong?"
"I've been late."
No one in his right mind would take Chomsky seriously after he said that.
Why?
Can't even say it.
@@danielshepard1449 Everyone has been wrong at one point or another. A proper intellectual shouldn't fear their credibility completely disappearing over occasionally being wrong.
In any case, there will always be people who know you have been wrong. Owning up to it will earn more respect in these cases than denying it.
@@gryphonbotha1880 Yeah and he did say he was wrong. He was wrong because sometimes he didn't catch on to and report on crimes his government did early enough. He may of ignored them or thought they weren't important, which was wrong.
What's incorrect about that? If there is something specific you think Chomsky is wrong about that he claims he wasn't wrong about, then just say it.
As a Bosniak, and also a libertarian leftist / anarchist, I absolutely despise Noam Chomsky.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 OK dude
Here's the argument
1. Watch the video
2. Fuck off
“As a retard”
as you should with any state politician
There's no such thing as a Libertarian leftist. You're just a confused statist.
The West failed the Bosniaks. They hung them out to dry. And that was most evident in Srebrenica.
I was loosely aware of this position Chomsky held for a little while now, but I didn't realize how blatant he was with the use of semantics to distract from the real terror that occurred, I notice so many patterns between his talking points and those used by Assad defenders -- like the same usage of pinpointing focus on one western journalist or organization to prop up an entire ideological position against interventionism. What worries me most is I wonder how much I've read of him that's been fabricated or at least skewed, because the U.S. engaging in unjustified military action is what skyrocketed me toward the left. Good video regardless.
Interesting to here that foreign policy interactions pushed you towards the left and not the econ mic policy.
@@user-dq1je7zy3p I was already pretty amicable to socialism or at least anti-capitalism around that time, but it took that first realization that the U.S. narrative of "spreading democracy" was just that, a narrative, to solidify my stance against the status quo
As a Chomsky fan this is one of his positions that force my eyes to glaze over. He's pretty accurate with everything else but these things in particular I kind of just ignore his opinions on.
@@user-dq1je7zy3p Probably because economic policy on the actual political left (read: not liberal) is pants-on-head retarded. All anti-capitalism is. Anti-capitalism is something that is only entertained by teenagers, 2-bit philosophers, and academics who know nothing about economics. Anyone who is even remotely literate in economics is aware that capitalism is hilariously superior to other economic models - for the rich and poor alike. That's why China, Vietnam, Sweden, etc all abandoned leftist economic models in favor of capitalism. It's straight up better.
@@jeffmorris5802 you’ve offered no evidence for your claims that capitalism is “hilariously superior” other than “my opponents are just stupid”
I remember being a baby leftist who hated the Iraq war (and also really liked languages) back in 2007, and being really excited to read Chomsky... and then being disappointed. I think it was some anti-war thing, which I was primed to agree with, but there was a weird conspiracy theorist tone that put me off... at the time I felt like it was my own failure, like I just wasn't smart enough or I couldn't handle the red pill or something. Looking back, I should give 21-year-old me more credit.
What kind of beliefs do you have now, mate?
I'm also curious if Chompsky helped push you off the path of full-blown leftist. Seems like the guy does more harm than good with his insistence on basing everything on his need to dunk on his ideological opponents.
As somebody who only within the last few years has been able to do learn how to do his beliefs justice when explaining them, I hope some old bitter guy didn't disillusion you.
@@SolarFlareAmerica
“Baby leftist” as a retroactive self-applied term is something I can only imagine a current leftist doing. “Baby queer/gay/trans” is used similarly. Indicating now-recognized naïveté in our earlier positions and attitudes which have since grown and matured, but still within the same essential paradigm.
I hope i misunderstood what you just said but do you support the war in iraq?
@@nooraldeen6327 you misunderstood
Chomsky was brought up in one of my lectures for my IR Masters and I groaned very loudly because I'm well aware of what he's said and done, I then had to defend myself to the lecturer and other students about my hatred of this man. Being Jewish I cannot stand genocide deniers of any kind and the fact Chomsky gets away with it and is still the most cited living author is disgusting, especially from the Left who are supposed to care more about these things
I do hope you've convinced whoever makes that college's curriculum to remove Chomsky's writings as their sources and learning materials
@@ArcturusOTE no, everyone in these courses should know what he said. Everyone should set his "utterances" in Context and would thus be more able to argue with gebocide deniers.
@jack lovejoy, how was the reaction afterwards?
Calling Srebrenica a genocide is excessive. Defending your hatred is childish
Do you consider the treatment of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli government a genocide?
_"My enemy's enemy is my friend!"_ is a precipitous and slippery slope that leads straight to Hell.
Chomsky’s comment on Genocide and the Holocaust is so strange. Him saying that a genocide isn’t a genocide unless it’s like the Holocaust shows that he has a serious misunderstanding of the word. The term genocide wasn’t even coined for the Holocaust, it was made for the Armenian genocide. I don’t know if it’s because he was raised Jewish and all, so he has a sort of bias. But I am also Jewish, but know that the Holocaust wasnt the only genocide, let alone the first. And that’s just a flimsy argument, just because something isn’t as bad as the worst case scenario, doesn’t make everything below it unqualified. Killing a person with a gun vs drowning doesn’t make it anything less than murder.
I’ve never liked Chomsky, this video just gives me another reason not to like him. I love your channel Kraut, you’re doing great work. This thanksgiving here in the US I’ll be thankful for you my man.
to be fair wasnt Lempkin's study Anylising the ongowing holocoust by comparing it to the Arminian genociide? i belve the Study is called Axis Rule In Occupied Europe: Laws Of Occupation, Analysis Of Government, Proposals For Redress, he uses the Armian case as a point of comparison to demonstrate its not an icolated case i think
You’ll find it’s a common trend for communists to deny any wrong doing / genocide when it’s their side on trial for committing the act.
@@kingalfred9941 its not like fascists dont do the same in there cases. perhaps that speaks to something inately human in that if we so strongly commit to an idea or ideology we ether fail to see its errors or els willfuly ignore them to preserve our view of our selves as essentaly morraly good
@@Tommy-5684 I actually don’t know about that. That’s interesting though I’ll make sure to look that work up.
Tankies like to pretend Holomodor was not a genocide, let alone acknowledge Goloshchyokin. Countries that have suffer both fascist and commies like Poland categorize both as hate groups. Be more like them americans, recognize that tankies are as bad as fascist.
This kind of reminds me of the leftists defending and rationalizing Russia's invasion of Ukraine and even outright denying its war crimes.
Chomsky is doing that right now, apparently.
@@expandinga7960 of course he is
Which is so ironic because Russia is a cleptocracy where the ruling elite gather their wealth at the expense of the people. They are supporting what they claim to hate. We call them tankies.
A regime that is basically a fascist dictatorship and yet they want to support it just to undermine NATO. These people are envious parasites who shouldn't be taken seriously.
@@expandinga7960 i say he is doing worse: saying they should surrender to “end the bloodshed”.
He is a horrible person
You summed-up Chomsky's motivation succinctly at the end: his hatred of America and his 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' blinkers that inform his every view.
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Denying genocide is a balanced view? Blaming the US for the Russian invasion is a "balanced view"?
You don't know chomsky. He doesn't blindly support anything which is in opposition to the west. He hates the ussr too
@@farzanamughal5933 I was just watching a documentary about Pol Pot earlier today, and lo and behold who do you think turned up to deny that a genocide was occurring?
@@paulwally9007 Noam Chomsky?
Not to make assumptions about you but I wonder if you downplay the genocide of tens of millions of native Americans and other indigenous people all across the world by Western powers. I wonder if you downplay the evil of the immeasurable destruction and death caused by the US across the world in the last 70s or so years
It's called Judeo-Bolshevism for a reason
Add being BFF’s with Jeffrey Epstein and Woody Allen to this list.
Not bffs and ad hominem
Something about being pro pe do and being far left go hand in hand. Just like Camu and his lot.
@@anilin6353 and just like Lavrentiy Beria.
@seanh1ckey he was apart of the push to lower the age of consent
@@henrywallace7996 funny how you mentioned ad hominien when that's all Chomsky and his best friend norman does
Can I also just add that this is something that turns me off Internet Marxist/Stalinists/Maoists. There is this tendency to treat the latter two leaders with kid gloves because they were in opposition to American empire. As someone who loves history, and in particular history of imperialism and empires, I find it ironic that people are treating events and historical narratives either bad/good. Noam seems to also fall into that category with thinking that opposition to empire or colonialism means that anytime a military is used it means either of these two things. But the world isn't divided into two narratives. History, media and geopolitics are many and varied. Why is it so hard to apply this in a foreign policy situation? You weren't going to boycott the Serbs into submission like apartheid South Africa.
While I in general agree with your comment, as a South African, it is not so much that the old government was boycotted into submission as much as it was that its existence was maintained in opposition to the Soviet Union. As long as the Soviet Union existed the apartheid government would have received enough support to stand against 'communism' in Africa. Once the USSR was no more, there was no perceived strategic reason for the west to prop up the old government.
TLDR - its existence was reliant on the bipolar cold war world.
@@JacquesduPlessis11 an excellent point and great to hear from someone from South Africa as well!
@@JacquesduPlessis11 exactly, and when they lost the war in Angola that almost completely destroyed that narrative
Yes the world isn't divided into two in some sort of transcendental sense--at least not politically, that would be very silly. However, its hard to argue that the Soviet Union didn't represent a structural opposition to the American hegemony, and that this opposition's political goal was to reform the politics of the entire world to improve the livelihoods of everyone in it, and that this ideology led in many cases to real, material gains for actual people. And it led to actual atrocities at the same time in the form of Gulags, but the Soviet Union also had extraordinarily well-funded childcare facilities, some parts had legal abortion 50 years before the US, they encouraged women in the sciences and engineering and created parities in the workforce that the US has never seen, simply because they were communist states and they had the power to enact these reforms without interruption within the state. Yes its stupid to say "both sides are bad", but its also useless to claim a "radical" non-binary view of politics, because its usual result is inaction. Picking a side isn't about "picking a side", its about determining which ideological system provides the most practical material benefits to yourself, and organizing and involving yourself with others who you agree with to create systemic, long term change to the political and economic system.
@@16Muslimah Yes, YES! Socialism is and always has been intended as a step up from capitalism, a more humanitarian society and world. That in NO WAY means that it will magically eradicate humanity's capacity for cruel and unjust behavior, merely it shall vastly reduce the motivation for it to occur. Everyone does not call themselves "socialist" for the same reason, and it's easy to assume there are probably quite a few that wouldn't mind abandoning a few people to die if it meant their ideal society became a reality.
The right is in my view only half responsible for this view (the, kid gloves view, just to be clear), as they switch (with no small amount of whiplash) between socialists being "idiot, naive idealists whose dreams are impossible" to "literally worse than holter 200 trillion dead"
Whereas I doubt anyone on the left would rather be perceived any way other than the most just and rational people. But there's our source of whiplash, if we're good then surely our predecessors were good too right? Many have and unfortunately probably will use this as an excuse to play mitigation of crimes committed in the name of the revolution or a better world.
Again, I'm glad "great man theory" is on the way out. A generation of mediocre liberal/conservative politicians will do that to ya.
Tldr; nuance is hard for many people, people would rather see their worlds as two opposing binaries, rather than a complicated mess.
Thank you Kraut. Chomsky is usually applauded here in the US on the left for his consistent anti-American interventionist views especially as it relates to Latin America, but I'll be honest and admit I was totally ignorant on his stance on the Bosnian Genocide. It's deeply saddening, given that a large part of his media work is about the effects of propaganda and ideology, where it seems he's willfully susceptible to it if it means propping up a socialist regime.
Other than reading that it happened, Americans don't learn much about Yugoslavia in public schools save that it collapsed and deeper details are usually reserved for college European politics & history courses which few will have access to.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for your continued body of well-informed videos.
He believes the US got rich through government intervention. No for a long time the government was very small as government spending made up a small percentage of the economy. The US got rich before social security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits.
Agreed. Attachments to toxic ideas is monstrous.
@@noahremnek3615 most of America riches are technically from the land it gained. Outside of enforcing trade deals America had little to no reason to actually partake in the imperialism of Europe. Much of the raw goods was already there with only a few select goods being foreign but not far.
If anything, the modern USA is self exploiting itself in a means to destroy the middle class it has made while sabotaging everyone including itself with extremely costly wars.
@@Xo-3130 No the US got rich through entrepreneurship and being a good place to do business. If raging wars is the key to being rich why isn’t Argentina, Iraq, Serbia, and Russia rich? They have fought wars in the past 50 years and aren’t rich how come?
@@noahremnek3615 That entrepreneurship was needed due to the US military actions post WW2. Even within WW2, jobs and production only spiked after the US needed to respond to Pearl Harbor. Since then the US has had a consistent growth of its industries by going to war in different countries. Lyndon B Johnson himself warned about the reliance of the military industrial complex and what that could do. And now we see the result.
This is the most I've learned about the Yugoslav wars. I know you think this is a different video than your usual format, but even so, it's highly informative and imo extremely important and definitely should be monetized as the educational service it is.
He is pretty wrong imo, can't get the basic rights, like someone already said- he can't make a distinction between serbs from bosnia, republika srpska or serbia, same way he can't do it for croatian part of bosnia or croatia as a country (as you can see when he shows people charged for crimes in south bosnia as proof that people from croatia were charged for operation storm, two things that happened in different countries not even close to each other).
Any history concerning the Balkans quickly becomes a confusing mess after you begin to dive deeper. Don't even try to understand what was going on during WWII...
@@tomislavjelic7444 Did you watch the whole video? He first shows the total number of charged Croatians during the war, then in literally the next sentence highlights that there were several charged specifically for Operation Storm, saying that even though they were unfortunately acquitted, at least they were charged for their actions during the Operation.
@@imransadovic3600 Yea, I take that back. On second watching I see I am wrong, but I would say its made kinda clumsy.
@@tomislavjelic7444 to be fair, the Balkans, as I am also learning, is what’s known as a “clusterfuck”
One thing i will never understand is how people justify using lies to push their political views. A good idea or ideology doesn't need people to lie about it to convince others it's a good idea.
Chomsky is far left. Thats the zone of extremism.
@@meatrealwishes And? Even extremists should be able to realize that good ideas don't need lies to spread.
Memories of this war are among my earliest in my childhood, and even then as a European child I was in utter shock that things like this could happen so close to me. The fact that Noam Chomsky is in denial of this, and makes excuses for Milosevic is so utterly shocking and painful.
Yeah like why is Noam are dodging and downplaying this situation?
@@starmaker75 Because he's an American elven leftist.
Milosevic? If Milosevic had his way this war would of been over by 1993.
@@DogeickBateman Australian*
Still correct
Not as bad as supporting the bombings of Hiroshima and Dresden, which this channel supports
And this is his second genocide denial, he also denies the Cambodian killing fields or buries it in so much whataboutism that it basically is denial
You sound like a french speaking urbanite with glasses 🤔🤔🤔
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 Wouldn't he have to be speaking fr*nch for that?
no he doesnt, he just points out that the u.s. did most of it
nuance isnt denial
Chomsky never denied Cambodian genocide. There perhaps is criticism you can make for Chomsky's takes on Cambodia, but saying he denied it is just ignorant or stupid.
"It wasn't a genocide. And if it was it wasn't as bad as they said it was. And if it was then they deserved it!" - Noam Chomsky, probably
'He had a gun'
'no the body cameras weren't activated'
Literally Chomsky on the Red Khmer...
"Who cares about a bunch of white muslims being put in concentration camps not seen since the third reich, let's focus on how bad the United States is because reasons." - Noam Chomsky in private, most likely
@@fluffynator6222 the problem discussed is Serbia in 1990s. Not USA in 2021.
That can be discussed separately
I heard a different version of that: "We didn't do it but we wished we did. And if we had ever done that, it would be totally because they deserved it!"
RUclips be like: “This video may be offensive to some people”
I be like: yeah to Noam Chomsky stans
I will never take a single word Chomsky says about 'human rights' and 'oppression' seriously ever again. Jesus, I did not know he went this far. This is despicable, and he's a despicable liar, he knows exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it. My opinion of him is completely tarnished. I truly hope he recants and apologizes for his barbaric lies and beliefs that actively hurt the survivors of the Bosnian genocide before he passes. He's old. He doesn't have much time left to account for his past wrongs.
I tend to agree with Chomsky. If the killers let the women and children leave first then it is not genocide. If it is we need to find a new word to describe what the nazis did to the jews. He's only making that point. Again as usual though, everybody gets so emotional everybody stops thinking about things logically.
It's a good idea not to take socialists seriously on human rights and oppression.
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 It's not a socialist problem or a capitialist problem. Nor a communist problem or a problem thing. It's a human being problem. Humanities capability to do horrendous things to one another is not limited to any ideology.
@@albens5852 Sure, but the manner in which socialists define "rights" and "oppression" is so ridiculous that they shouldn't be taken seriously on either subject. According to them, positive rights are a thing. According to them, renting is oppressive, but putting a landlord in a camp for not rolling over and letting a group of thugs steal his property isn't.
@@naughtypanda2538 It doesn't mean it's not a genocide just because they left some alive. Not all Jews were killed, but it was still a genocide
WOW Kraut has done it again. I never knew Noam denied this genocide, puts him into a whole new light.
Wait untill you hear about Chomsky stance on the Cambodian genocide! This man is full of surprises.
I only knew him on the linguistic area, not him personally
@@trla6505 same, when asked about Chomsky i would say ''the universal grammar dude? yeah he's cool''
not so cool after all
@@b.j.880 IL would know say oh yeah good theories
@@b.j.880 read his essays like "on the responsibility of intellectuals", he IS a cool dude
I'm ukrainian and I'm furyous at the thought of how russian atrocities in Ukraine are denied by some people today. I'm even more terrified on how they can be forgotten by all and hidden by Russia.
I'm sorry for those people
It's terrifying seeing how despite all genocides that happened, they keep happening.
@@dimanyak373 we like to think we can change our nature. We can't. There will be genocides and wars until humanity is dead
Anything Ukraine claims should be taken with a grain of salt. Remember the ghost of kiev and snake island
@@romanromanchuk7718 Government didn't claim anything about it. It was citizens who did it. Anything Russia claims should be taken with a grain of salt.
Chomsky's response to the war in Ukraine has completely validated this video.
and now he's a fucking Epstein guy. common Chomsky Ls
Refugees: pol pot bad
NGO humanitarian volunteers: pol pot bad
America: pol pot bad
Vietnam: pol pot bad
Cambodians after the war: pol pot bad
Chomsky: AKHCUALLY
America: Let's fund and arm Pol Pot.
@@troubadour0663 The moment I lost any faith I had left in the US as a force for global justice was when I found out that the US gave the Khmer Rouge diplomatic and military cover
@@felixbabuf5726 Oh. There are thousands such instances.
@@felixbabuf5726 And they worked with China regarding the Khmer Rouge.
Goddamn you Nixon
@@felixbabuf5726 they didn't, they supported the guy before him
Chomsky has always been relatively forward about the fact that his ultimate concern is dunking on his ideological opponents in the US and that he's willing to excuse foreign atrocities as long as it serves the 'greater good' of undermining national security punditry (which he views as reactionary). He has outright stated that he thinks America should not intervene at all abroad as long as it has even minor problems at home.
Pretty much.
American Isolationism tied up in a pretty left-colored bow. Still as stupid as when anyone else says it.
America's right wing is so stupid, the left doesn't have to be smart to dunk on it... Hence, chomsky is considered great despite being so wrong.
@@mmmk6322 no Chomsky is considered great because he's a great linguist and somehow that made people think he's a qualified foreign policy pundit.Its not because the right was inherently stupid,and in fact a lot of right wingers were inspired by Chomsky's critique of the US deep state like Curtis Yarvin
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 Americans right wingers hate chomsky. Chomsky is considered "far left" in America, w/e that means.
My point is, Chomsky is about as good as r/feeltheburn or r/mypresident, but compared to European liberals, chomsky is trash
@@mmmk6322
Lmao "Chomsky would be right wing in Europe" he's a fucking anarchist
Damm this hit close to home I'm Bosnian and by grandpa was kept in one of the Serbian concentration camps. They were starved, beaten, humiliated and had to drink gas(petrol) to survive because they weren't given enough water. Thankfully my grandpa survived but many sadly didn't.
My father who lived in Belgrade in 1993 had to travel by train to Hungary to smuggle 15 liters of petrol so he can drive his brother to chemotherapy. Why? Because there was no petrol to be found anywhere at any gas stations. Why? Because of fascists like Kraut who think it's justified to ostracize entire country, prevent them from importing medicine, gas and other life necessities for the purpose of geopolitics. So NO, sorry to tell you but your grandpa didn't drink petrol instead of water.
@@Ivan-fc2qm People like Ivan984 are why I try my best not to be bigoted, but cannot help just despising the Serbs. Such a morally bankrupt people.
@@Ivan-fc2qm you DO realize that when there is a war all of the petrol gets taken by the military? Of course the civilians have shortages when the oil is hundreds of miles away being used on the battlefields. Your father couldn't get treatment for chemo and my father fought in the mountains and hills while being bombarded by artillery. Seeing his friends die and having to think wether his single mother and sister would be raped or killed just like the one in srebrenica. I'm sorry for you father but I have no idea how you can come to the conclusion that bosnian are to blame.
@@Ivan-fc2qm So what should've been done to stop the Serbian government from massacring, according to you? Ask them nicely? A few diplomatic booboos?
I really would like to know.
@@shiveshsingh3169 So what should be done to stop any atrocity in the world? What did the "world" do when Turks and Azeri were killing Armenians? What did the world do during Spanish or Greek civil wars? What did the world do during many conflicts in Arfrica? What is happening to Muslims in China and Christians in Syria during the civil war? Should we intervene? With more violence, bombs, napalm?? What makes on war more righteous than other? Milosevic was at the peak of his popularity in 1999 during NATO bombing. Two years prior he had to rig the elections to stay in power. Aggressive American foreign policy gave him another 3 years in power.
I am so glad this video exists. Too many people see Chomsky as this wise old elder intellectual, when he should be mocked for his garbage political takes in actuality.
So many bad political takes, Ironically he justifies the US military industrial complex in his attempted takedown by identifying the means through which it leant itself to late 20th century innovation.
Here is one 38 year old that recently started to ask some questions, went to search for information and ended up concluding that I was blindly believing that Chomsky was a wise intellectual. It was all an authority fallacy. He sure should be mocked or at least ignored.
@@Duluoz67🤣🤣🤣🤣 this is so idiotic, this moronic video has been broken down by someone ppll as it isnt given full context but chomsky views on major issues on world have been profound and he is man one of most important intellectual considering the depth of how much one can keep up with events in the world, watching a youtube video which paints him as lier and untruthfuli is pretty shocking, ive done my own research to be found this untrue anyways,
@@Duluoz67 Most other high level linguists of his time and certainly after him, mock his linguistic theories. Paul Postal (another high level linguist who taught at MIT) himself in 2003 said that anything Chomsky says should be treated as a lie first and verified later. Most Marxists make fun of Chomsky for not understanding the role that ideology plays.
Fun fact for the weebs in the room: Noam Chomsky's denial of the Serbian atrocities frustrated the author Project Itoh (You might know him from the novelization of Metal Gear Solid 4) so much he wrote the anime/novel Genocidal Organ. It's about an evil linguist who uses the "Grammar of genocide" to brainwash people into committing genocides. Several of the protagionists happen to have read Chomsky and mention him from time to time, and partway through the novel even debate the validity of Noam Chomsky's ideas on genocide.
i googled it, didnt get any results with Noam Chomsky. Do you have a source that he was indeed the inspiration?
@@xdman20005 there's multiple scenes in the manga and novel where people talk about his theory of universal grammar and call it horseshit. I'll find a scan and get back to you
@@xdman20005 Look for the Genocidal Organ article on TV tropes and look at it's description under the "Take That!" Trope.
@@waluigi3515 ty
Wow, I had no idea Chomsky had such a solid and unmoving position on the Bosnian Genocide. I'm really disappointed especially when he was so critical and highly active in his opposition toward the American wars in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. How a man could hold such a strong position built on a moral basis to then turn around and outright deny or even belittle the slaughters of Bosniak and Croat peoples because "America Bad" is depressing. Chomsky was partly responsible for bringing about a certain moderation in my old conservative stances as I got older. Still, to see him engage in some mental gymnastics, I'd conduct when discussing Israel/Palestine or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe (back when I was right-leaning) is quite disappointing and very infuriating.
TL;DR, Existence is pain.
Chomsky is just a simp for any anti-Western country
@@jacklovejoy5290 I hate to admit it but he’s really created a body of work which affirms that statement.
@@jacklovejoy5290 honestly I’m surprised he didn’t support the nazis since America was against them
@@obiwankenobi3574 Also the fact that Nazis had "socialist" in their name.
@@genghiskhan5701 I think I’ve uncovered something big he- wait why is a white van outside my house?
I remember learning about the Holodomor and Armenian Genocide on my own in high school and felt puzzled that I hadn't been taught anything of these things and had to find them on my own. I had known some things before about Bosnia but this goes into greater depth and all over again I feel that I've been failed in some way that I never heard the causes, events, and consequences of it. And I'm sure this process will repeat, unfortunately.
Ofcourse it wil, it's a growth market. When you force different ethnic groups in the same space this is its logical conclusion.
@Maiyn of course it wasn't a genocide, stalin just kept the grain production quotas way higher than possible to sell to foreign markets in order to pay for industrial machinery, closed ukraine off, made laws against stealing food punishable by food confiscation, gulag or being shot, when ukrainians began dying of starvation, many of the deaths were registered as "hypothermia", "dysinthery" and so on, prohibited the spread of information about starvation in ukraine in the larger soviet union and when the first demographic census were made in ukraine and the statistics showed that the population loss was higher than expect, the people that took the data were shot. Nothing planned there, I'm sure.
@@maiyn2wrong
Well mass murder and totalitarian regimes go hand in hand and the 20th century had some of the biggest totalitarian regimes. For political reasons though most genocides are purposefully thrown to the way side and even when they are taught they are taught in a biased manner purposefully. The Armenian genocide is a perfect example of this. Not many people are aware but the young turk did not kill just Armenians but non-turks including Persians, Slavs and Greeks. Their call to ethnic purity is what inspired Hitler to do the Holocaust.
Of course that doesn't stop from people like Cenk Uygur to name his party after them and this is mostly acceptable by other leftists.
Armenian genocide is a counter genocide.
This was an exceptionally hard video to watch I will admit, as this whole part of history has been unknown to me for a long time, and I have been studying Chomsky for a few months now. To say it has changed my opinion on him and that time in history is an understatment.
Thank you Kraut for making this, it may not be something which youtube will spread far and wide, nor something that will help me sleep at night, but its important to spread information like this.
Thank you for this video Kraut. In the 1970s Chomsky was also one of the most prominent Cambodian genocide deniers. Of course denying this genocide is impossible now thanks to incontestable evidence, but still Chosmky has downplayed the attrocities commited by the Khmer Rouge and to this day defends his stance at the time.
Growing up in Australia, any time I'd heard Chomsky's name, it was usually about his book 'Manufacturing Consent', which would be referenced constantly by people complaining of Australia's concentrated media ownership and increasing authoritarianism. I actually thought quite highly of him.
I never knew he was a genocide denier, it's disappointing to hear such an intelligent man could be so ignorant of proven facts.
This video opened my eyes, thank you.
Jordan Shanks recommends it to his viewers
It just goes to show you can’t pick sides in politics. Either you’re against political evil, you hate human rights abuses and speak out against all of it or you shouldn’t say anything. And yet politicians and their ideologues will do something as stupid as say “Hitler was okay, but Stalin was the worst” or “Stalin was a great guy, but Hitler was the worst”. That’s not a straw man or a hyperbole. Those people have taken over and infected both American and international politics.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot You know…everyone does that. I’m not defending Chomsky but every single, not just politician or political commentator, but person does that. No matter where you look that’s what politics is full of-people denying hard evidence to their face. Why even support any political party at this point?
@@dylanbuchanan6511 That is no excuse
@@lilemont9302 not saying it is…i just realize that all human beings are in denial of something that that doesn’t conform to their narrative. Human beings are disgusting and someone as smart as Chomsky being the leftist equivalent of a holocaust denier is proof we’re doomed
From Coach Red Pill to Noam Chomsky, Kraut has made a career out of calling out bullshitters and I love him for it. Keep up the good work, my man!
I looked it up, and I couldn't find any videos by Kraut about this Coach Red Pill, just videos by CRP against Kraut, and from the look of his channel, watching them may lose me brain cells. What is the beef there?
@@matthewslentz5481 Internet autism that Kraut probably doesn't want to go back to.
@@matthewslentz5481 Apparently, Kraut took it down, but a channel called The Jeffersonian seems to have re-uploaded it. Regardless, if Kraut doesn't want people to watch it, then maybe you shouldn't.
If you want the story, though, here's the gist of it: back in the day, when Kraut was still more focused on anti-SJW content (as was half of RUclips in 2017) he and CRP had some mutual friends. When they became closer Kraut, to no one's surprise, figured out that the dude is a shithead and nonchalantly commented on it (can't remember if it was in a video or a live).
In response, Coach Red Pill went full nuclear on Kraut, blasting his content and going as far as to claim he had proof of an alleged sexual assault perpetrated by him. Obviously, it was all bullshit, and Kraut dropped a thirty minute video destroying CRP's arguments and showing that rather than a successful businessman advising young men, the guy was actually a pathetic loser who lied about his background and basically lived in a warzone in Ukraine.
The video was totally hilarious, with edits portraying Coach Red Pill as a cock roach and overarching tone of sarcasm as Kraut would yell, after showing yet another evidence of how pathetic CRP was, "can you see how this man is absolutely RED PILLED?" and a guitar riff played in the background.
The video, in my humble opinion, was fantastic, so I don't know why it was taken down.
@@lucasnobrega1515 probably wants to distance himself from the drama
@@lucasnobrega1515 That whole drama was a complete sh it show. I got roped into it because I used to watch Zephanorion at the time. To this day I have no idea what happened.
As a Taiwanese that used to be left leaning and read about Chomsky, Sachs and intellectual as such. Recently I'm reading their argument about Russia and Chinese aggression toward Ukraine and Taiwan, I'm always baffled by the fact that they neglect the sovereign of people in Ukraine and Taiwan. Simply saying it's because the west, the Ukrainian, the Taiwanese instigate Russia/China, hence the aggression is justified. It's some next level cognitive dissonance.
As a Bosnian, thank you so much for making this video.
Man, the phrase "industrialization of murder" really hit me hard.
6:58 - the same people who complain the US "did nothing to prevent the attack" complain that the US shouldn't be the world police.
The US military can never do anything right by these people's standards, because their standards are that the USA is always evil. We really do need to stop listening to them.
Yes it would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so dark, because there can actually be no action by western powers (intervention or non-intervention) which is not interpreted as evil by these people.
"World police" is a bit much but people who take a full isolationist view of world affairs are just naive. I'd much rather have the USA as world police than China being world police. Plus if you look through history, countries that turned inward and ignored developments outside of itself have declined and fallen.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 Well... I find it hard agree with u that the US should be the World's Police...Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, And an ongoing attempt to invade North Korea seems a little extreme for a world police, Yes?
@@plaguedoc7727
The US certainly ought to step back and stop trying to nation build, but something such as the initial invasion into Afghanistan, what it turned into notwithstanding, is a solid example of the kind of interventionism that is necessary. At the time it was not know what else Al Qaeda were planning or were capable of, all we did know was that Afghanistan was not co-operating in the mission against them. While the invasion and occupation of Iraq was wrong on many fronts, it's ironically incredibly Western-centric to only talk about the people killed in that war and totally ignore all the victims of Saddam that number even greater. Same for Syria, where Assad and Russia are responsible for most of the carnage.
Thank you for making this video.
I'm a Bosnian Serb, born after the war and taught the same propaganda that most of my neighbors believe to this day. It took me years to slowly let go of all the disgusting indoctrination and misinformation fed to the Serb people by our schools, politicians, churches, and "heroes".
The genocide and ethic clensing committed against the Bosniak people in the nineties is not only real, but the greatest stain in Serb history. That fact that those same myths that sparked this genocide persist to this day is horrifying. The disastrous idea of a Greater Serbian ethnostate started in the early 20th century, the obsession with the Kosovo mythology, and the "Serb victim" mentality that seeks to rationalize violence because of historical injustices.
Perhaps the saddest part about all of this is that it worked, that genocide denial is the optimal strategy employed since the Armenian genocide by states on the world stage, that people don't care, that no lessons are learned.
I wish it didn't happen, but it did and it will keep happening if we don't shout it from the rooftops.
Thank you for making this video.
Ај не лажи.
@@TotilaTheGoth typical pathetic gut reaction if genocide deniers
@@smoothjazz2143 smoothjazzhuman
Didn't happen and they deserved it and they attack us first -some serb
he used a completely fake source for at least one of his claim though. The guardian article was corrected because chomsky didn't say such a thing
Can't forget that Chomsky was also an apologist for the Khmer Rouge.
not sure its relevant though as when vietnam confirmed the stories he accepted what had happened. Now he takes the standard socialist academic tack of blaming the khmer rouge soley on the usa.
@@mangonel well the instability undoubtedly led to the khmer rouge, i wouldnt put no blame on the usa but most of the blame goes to the direct supporters initially (north vietnam and china), and believe me thats how the cambodians in cambodia see it if you ever talk with them. Its a surprisingly pro america country (and i say this as a none american so they werent just trying to flatter me).
Noam Chomsky wasn't an "apologist for the Khmer Rouge" - that's the typical slander he faces daily.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 suggesting the evidence against someone is insufficient is very obviously apologia. You can say he was right, the evidence at the time wasnt sufficient and only later became sufficient but you cant say its not a defence of a person or reigime.
@@the500mphtortoise that's not what I was suggesting. You can just read Chomsky's work for the details.
Noam Chomsky did the very same thing about the genocide of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia in which a third of the Cambodian population perished and in which hundreds of thousands of people, many of which were ethnic minorities, were systematically killed. Later UN trials determined these "killing fields" to be tools of a genocide.
When Chomsky found out about the public debate about the Khmer Rouge, he claimed that all these reports about mass killings and a genocide were fabrications to build up a case for American intervention. The survivors' testimonies were to him just lies and propaganda.
He hasn't apologized or really changed his argument on this either.
He's a serial genocidal denier and I bet he has even more genocides that he has denied since.
Leftists: We gotta stop fascists by any means necessary!
Also leftists: Milosevic was a victim of American imperialism!
Wrong. He claimed that a specific figure from a specific source was false, and that's because it was. The US media incorrectly reported a source that combined numbers of Cambodians killed by the US with Cambodians killed by Khmer Rouge, and combined them into one figure blaming Khmer Rouge. When Chomsky pointed this out, he was labeled as "genocide denier." Even though he never even denied a genocide was taking place.
@@danielshepard1449 Wait. Why would it be relevant that a single source was false if the overall conclusion remains the same? That just sounds like cherry-picking.
@@nicolaim4275 What "overall conclusion" are you talking about? Chomsky was pointing out how the US media was lying about a source to inflate the figures, which is true. He didn't deny any crimes, he didn't claim nothing was happening or that it doesn't matter, he critiqued one specific article for lying about a source to push a narrative (aka PROPAGANDA). Of course, every western liberal and conservative pro interventionist jumped on this to call Chomsky a lover of genocide.
@@nicolaim4275 Because on the specifics of the Cambodian genocide itself, that is the only thing Chomsky took issue with. If a source is within the ballpark of the truth, but the source itself is fabricated, that source still can't be used. History has to be based on objective facts and sources. The source Chomsky took issue with was a translation of a French book, and in the translation the authors had inflated the numbers from the original translation.
Chomsky's other main argument was that the media hyperfocused on the Cambodian genocide, which on it's own, is fine, but at the same time ignored and silenced reports of the East Timor genocide, was was concurrently ongoing.
As we also noted from the first paragraph of our earlier review of this material, to which we will simply refer here for specifics, “there is no difficulty in documenting major atrocities and oppression, primarily from the reports of refugees”; there is little doubt that “the record of atrocities in Cambodia is substantial and often gruesome” and represents “a fearful toll”; “when the facts are in, it may turn out that the more extreme condemnations were in fact correct,” although if so, “it will in no way alter the conclusions we have reached on the central question addressed here: how the available facts were selected, modified, or sometimes invented to create a certain image offered to the general population. The answer to this question seems clear, and it is unaffected by whatever may yet be discovered about Cambodia in the future.”
As a Leftist, I've known that Noam Chomsky was a denier of the Srebrencia Genocide, but I had no idea he was this bad.
Due to leftists like him I stopped calling myself a leftist and started describing myself as a centrist social democrat.. to my surprise most of my American leftist friends online started calling me an enabler of right wing politics and have suddenly shifted from praising the Nordic countries to outright depicting them as secret white nationalist states.
I refuse to align myself with either the left or the right, especially the completely inconsistent American ones. The US right-wingers be like: "Our borders should be CLOSED! .. unless it's European fascists we're talking about..." and the American left be like this shit with Chomsky and that one I've just told you.
Yeah, they can call me a fascist or a commie, but does it matter?
@@nikoladoctorov553 Yeah, that is the most maddening thing about US politics nowadays: you must pick a side, and if you don't follow that side's policies 100%, then you are regarded as a traitor.
@@souvikrc4499 I despised men like Rush Limbaugh talking about Femi-nazis then I heard Erin Pizzey explain how the dom-vio shelter she established was seized away from her because she didn't hate men. She described her persecutors as radical Marxist feminists, who she initially turned to for help, for allyship, in a cause she thought they would support.
Since then, I've learned more about people like Derrida and Foucault and also Marcuse and Angela Davis and members of Weatherman and other groups who were/are a lot bigger fans of the ideas of Karl Marx than might be apparent.
And WHY that's a problem to destroy, not improve & advance, actual liberalism to replace it with a dictatorship of dialectical materialism, allegedly to be run by "working class folks" who are de facto angelic bc of their standpoint as "oppressed".
The thing about leftists thats really weird is how they won't outright Deny genocide cause they know that'll make me look like those far right idiots that Deny the Holocaust.
Instead,they try to get around it saying they wouldn't "call it a genocide" and that its severely exxagerated by the "west".
which is much worse cause they aren't ignorant to the Human suffering. They know it fully.
Uighar genocide is a great example of how the lefts been soooooo dismissive of it to downplay China.
@@lalitthapa101 While Pro-China elements that deny the Uyghur cultural genocide definitely exist within the Western Left, they're a loud minority. Most just aren't like that, and most see China for the authoritarian dictatorship it is. Fawning praise for current and past "socialist" regimes is pretty rare among modern socialists.
I've noticed that Chomsky follows a black-and-white philosophy, wherein capitalism (and America) only causes negative outcomes, and socialism only causes positive ones. It's a religious dogma, and he views critical examination of his own preferred economic system as an attack, rather than free thought. Unfortunately, this simplistic worldview is becoming more pervasive, in no small part due to the ill effect of internet echo chambers and a push towards the fringes of political philosophy. Complexity and nuance are a fact of life, even if it befuddles our neat binary moral systems.
If you have never seen Chomsky criticize socialists, I have to assume you haven't read much Chomsky.
Noam Chomsky for the past month has quite literally been blaming and warning America about escalating the Ukraine Russia war that he says Ukraine was “dragged into” when America has had little control or influence over what Russia had been doing and further more Ukraine wasn’t simply “dragged into” the war as if there has been outside meddling. It is right now fighting for its sovereignty after being invaded by a much larger, increasingly autocratic, Russia
I don’t like Noam Chomsky
As an eastern european, Imay too say that US has fault in it. But their fault is that they appeased Russia and didnt do enough
@@gerrydonohoe2765 yeah he also thinks of people as just biomass without their own desires
@@gerrydonohoe2765 Chomsky has said Ukraine has two options; become a puppet state, or be destroyed. He called their destruction inevitable unless a diplomatic route is taken, ie surrender.
This was said by him several weeks after the Bucha massacre was known. After the Kremlin and Putin stated that Ukraine should not exist, as a country, and that Ukrainians should not exist as a culture. After it was known that Russia was forcibly deporting civilians. After bombing of civilian structures. After Russia breached every cease-fire, and set land mines on humanitarian corridors.
Ukraine's choices are die fighting or oppression until death. Chomsky deliberately avoids any information that runs counter to his narrative "USA bad" to the point that it must be considered deliberate.
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing This guy is spamming every post with a disingenuous "nO yOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HE'S JUST BEING NUANCED!" while ignoring the reality that the guy is only willing to apply nuance in a way to alleviate the worst offenders.
@@wickedAberration yeah, I just noticed after posting. I'm still happy to leave a rebuttal for any future people who read the comments, though.
1) When you mentioned that ole Noam was a genocie denier I thought "Finally! A video on his support of the Khemer Rouge!"
2) "Population Exchange," was what they called the ethnic cleansing that occurred during and after the Greco-Turkish War. Wonder if Chomsky knows that.
To be fair the population exchange after the greco-turkish war was mostly an actual population exchange. The genocide happened before and during the war. In the aftermath of the war, the two countries agreed that instead of killing the members of the different ethnicity, they would just send them over the border instead.
@@michaelpapadopoulos6054It was still ethnic cleansing.
Have you read teh acounts if the greeks and turks forced to leave their homes because they were now located in the "wrong" country?
@@mangonel Yeah, but when you put "To be fair" before something, that carries a connotation to it, especially when it comes to touchy things like this.
@@mangonel He used an eufamising for it.
Why would you use one for a war crime?
@@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding My great grandparents were forced out of their home and had to relocate. It was a terrible situation for pretty much everyone. And there definitely were actual genocides before and during the war. It's just that after the war, the two governments came into an understanding that they would send their minorities to the other country. There wasn't a need for killing anymore since sending people over the border was simpler anyway. I don't know what the exact definition of ethnic cleansing is, but the term population exchange accurately describes what happened in the aftermath of the war.
Holy shit, I always backed Noam because of his stance against corporations and such. However, I was unaware of this disgusting stance he takes. How can anyone…. ANYONE back Milosevic? I have friends who fled Bosnia and came to America. They are real living breathing people. Thank you for opening my eyes. This was very insightful.
Even though I do agree with his stance on corporations, I can't agree with him on what happened to Yugoslavia. Unfortunately, he is only one of numerous Americans, who embody America's hypocrisy.
Check out his views on the Khmer rouge. Actually, it wasn't forcing urbanites to farm for 12 hour days using hand tools with barely any rations and no medicine under the constant threat of santabaal executions, it was American bombing that caused the famines! Also be kind to the poor Vietnamese people...WAIT NOT THE ONES POL POT HAD MURDERED.
@Shy Cracker that's very typical of fåscísts and commies. but that's also because there's no difference between the two.
how can you back bill clinton
Chomsky is full of shit on a lot more than just genocide denial. Genocide denial is just the worst thing he's full of shit about.