Next.js App Router Caching: Explained!

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2024

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  • @JaredFL
    @JaredFL 10 месяцев назад +183

    Next 20 will include playing the Nextjs theme song on every page load but you can opt out using unstable_loadjQuery to load jQuery into the page which will disable the song.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад +22

      Sounds dope, I love jQuery

    • @activenode
      @activenode 8 месяцев назад +1

      Jared the man to provide criticism without saying it

    • @whramijg
      @whramijg 2 месяца назад

      He said it alright.

    • @minhazrabbi531
      @minhazrabbi531 2 месяца назад

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @mattmendez8860
      @mattmendez8860 23 дня назад

      Hahahahahahaha

  • @rmrglr
    @rmrglr 10 месяцев назад +252

    All of this should be opt-in, or at least give us a next.config.js option to disable caching all over the app. Default caching behaviour that is so aggressive, that it decides to make fetch calls in your API routes static at build time, it's mind-boggling.

    • @drewhjava
      @drewhjava 10 месяцев назад +26

      Exactly. I don't even understand this framework is trying to accomplish. If I want static pages I would just set cache-control and stale while revalidate. Let me opt out of in-memory caching and static pages.

    • @onemaninaboat
      @onemaninaboat 10 месяцев назад +11

      That's what I was about to write. Instead of several different methods all over the place to opt out, the caching should be entirely opt in. What a mess, eh?

    • @MrManafon
      @MrManafon 10 месяцев назад +3

      Especially when you realise that monkeypatching fetch impacts all the third party libraries lol. Any SDK npm you use gets severe caching without you onowing or being able to prevent it. Meanwhile its still unclear how to cache non fetch-based stuff.

    • @meenstreek
      @meenstreek 10 месяцев назад +10

      @@MrManafon While I agree that monkeypatching fetch is a bad call, you are commenting on a video that tells you how to cache a non fetch-based API call. It's at 7:37.

    • @RolandAyala
      @RolandAyala 10 месяцев назад +4

      +1. Nextjs caching drove me to Remix and, looking back, great decision. Nextjs caching is over-engineeried, and that this video is needed is yet another proof point.

  • @BBxx19
    @BBxx19 10 месяцев назад +45

    I said it once and I ll say it again. Caching should be opt in by default since it is an intentional performance optimization tool and not some magic thing that should be applied based on what is used where. The intention is good but sometimes trying to automatically optimize everything causes more issues than it helps - the amount of bugs that resulted from this complexity should be very telling.
    Focus the energy to educate the users how they can cache data and pages for optimization instead of trying to explain the default complex caching behavior that requires a lot of research for new users.
    If the users need to keep asking why things behave the way they do, then there is a major flaw with the design.

  • @tom.watkins
    @tom.watkins 10 месяцев назад +78

    I love next but the decisions around caching rank among the worst. You should have just left the fetch API alone (tRPC and anything else that used it immediately had issues) and caching by default was always going to something that many Devs struggled with. The new unstable cache function is how it always should have been done.
    That all being said, it's great to see people's feedback being taken seriously and things changing to reflect this 👍

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад +7

      Completely agree. Optimization should be one of the last steps to do, not the first one. Many pages will not need cache at all (or very limited by time), unless we are doing a Wordpress blog 😀

    • @jfedererj
      @jfedererj 3 месяца назад

      I think for v15, with the stable release of partial pre-rendering, fetch is gonna switch to being uncached by default.

    • @tom.watkins
      @tom.watkins 3 месяца назад

      @@jfedererj yeah I believe most of the defaults will now be uncached by default

  • @ryzzlas
    @ryzzlas 10 месяцев назад +22

    Am at 6:40 now at the video. And I really would like to have much more tools to debug caching. Especially, when deployed.
    Because IMO the defaults are good and the idea behind the caching strategies of Next.js too. It's just lacking transparency, what's happening at any given time.
    One idea would be to have a secure API route where we can inspect, what asset is currently cached for a given active deployment, what pages depend on it, etc.

    • @sagesofsound298
      @sagesofsound298 10 месяцев назад

      Right, just overall we need to have more ways to see things versus just assuming things.

    • @jacobsloots6481
      @jacobsloots6481 9 месяцев назад

      Yeah if they could extend the logging to cover all cache use cases and provide an option to run it during full builds (or even better make the cache behavior in dev mirror build) it would go a long way in clarifying what exactly is going on.

  • @axlYT
    @axlYT 10 месяцев назад +22

    imo it would be better if it does not cache by default and u need to explicitly specify this kinda of doCache(). Idk it feels more natural to me this way then always getting confused by all stuff.

    • @inexistente
      @inexistente 10 месяцев назад

      i'd rather choose to opt-in instead of opt-out too

  • @sulavbaral9972
    @sulavbaral9972 10 месяцев назад +16

    it would be good if we could get an entire video for how to create a nextjs app like its meant to from the vercel team
    something like a real world application like ecommerce or anything else would be great

  • @wintercounter2
    @wintercounter2 10 месяцев назад +22

    Next.js's default-on caching is so good, that I need monkey patching scripts on several projects for 3rd party libraries using fetch to fix the bugs it's causing. At this point, I don't care, it's just yet another hack/workaround I need to do while using Next.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад +1

      Hey there, do you have a GitHub issue for the bug you're seeing? We can take a look. If you want to opt-out of caching for fetch, I talk about this @7:03 in the video.

    • @wintercounter2
      @wintercounter2 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@leerob Tried to post a Github link but TY doesn't let me in any form...

    • @RevoSW
      @RevoSW 10 месяцев назад

      @@wintercounter2 You could write it like "user/repo". Then people may substitute the user and repo in the actual github link

  • @leerob
    @leerob 10 месяцев назад +19

    Let me know what questions y'all have, hope this helps!

    • @debugloop
      @debugloop 10 месяцев назад +8

      this much changes this often is mind fuck to be honest.

    • @kasper369
      @kasper369 10 месяцев назад +2

      Amazing stuff! Love this kind of content. 💖

    • @kasper369
      @kasper369 10 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe video on llms and next.js ?

    • @vommir.
      @vommir. 10 месяцев назад

      Hi Lee, thanks for this video. I was stuck on App Router yesterday. Will try revalidateTag. Can you specify revalidate along with it?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад

      Good idea @@kasper369 !

  • @sean_reyes
    @sean_reyes 10 месяцев назад +34

    I kinda like to control caching on my own, so I want to entirely disable caching by NextJs... can I do that?

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      With app router? You can create a root layout with cookies() or headers(), and render children as usual.
      I think it will prevent creating static pages.

    • @FeFeronkaMetallica
      @FeFeronkaMetallica 10 месяцев назад

      You cant

    • @chickenchaser176
      @chickenchaser176 10 месяцев назад +1

      use pages router

    • @caiomiglioli
      @caiomiglioli 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@AmirLatypov you can pass server components as children/props of client components (thats the basis of context/providers in next app router). So turning the layout to client component should not make its children into client components

    • @manojsoni232
      @manojsoni232 6 месяцев назад

      export const fetchCache ='force-no-store'

  • @syedazeemjaved
    @syedazeemjaved 7 месяцев назад

    Great job in the first part of the video to highlight that caching does not work (as usual) when we are on a dev server, I remember that this got me scratching heads for quite sometime when I started with the App Router.

  • @51Grimz
    @51Grimz 10 месяцев назад +5

    Really helpful to see some official examples in video form explained!

  • @EmoPorEmilio
    @EmoPorEmilio 10 месяцев назад +20

    Wow, the importing cache from react and noStore from next seems like a mind boggling amount of complexity

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад

      Have you tried it out yet?

    • @EmoPorEmilio
      @EmoPorEmilio 10 месяцев назад

      @@leerob yeah! I'm trying to really learn it because I like react, next and your videos. Thank you for them.
      Those two imports seemed crazy to me while watching and learning.

  • @Flash136
    @Flash136 10 месяцев назад +14

    Happy to see more deep-dive explainers on how caching on Next.js works. I'm one of the few people that actually don't mind having caching on by default. The only thing I dislike from the current behavior is patching fetch to work differently to how users and library authors currently use it. I'm looking forward to the improvements the Next.js Team will be making in this regard.

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      Ha, the interesting thing that it doesn’t work, because it’s still unstable 😀.
      Without unstable functions, it’s easier to say - just use headers() or cookies() inside your code, or it will be cached as a static page. Done.

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      I suppose that no one wants to use unstable functions on their prods.

    • @aberba
      @aberba 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@AmirLatypovworks for me though. I took a while to get used to...just like useEffect() but I like the simplicity now. It's more complicated but simple.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@AmirLatypov As I mentioned in the video, the functionality is stable, it's just acknowledging that the API will likely change to become simplier. But yeah can use cookies instead!

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      ​@leerob Thanks for the reply!
      A couple of issues, though:
      1) The function name doesn't make it clear if it's stable. 😅
      2) You said it'll change over time, which sounds like extra work for us. So, my team's going with a third-party cache package that's already stable

  • @luisandrade1291
    @luisandrade1291 10 месяцев назад +10

    Is there a difference between using “noStore()/cookies()/headers()” and “export const dynamic = ‘force-dynamic’;” ?

  • @oscarljimenez5717
    @oscarljimenez5717 10 месяцев назад +6

    Great video like always Lee.
    But i have some feedback around caching.
    Right now we have a lot of ways on how to handle caching in Nextjs App Router, but i think you guys should simplify that to a single function + single page/layout/route-handler config. Let me explain.
    //Function/Component cache config
    Instead noStore() or revalidateAfter(), what about a single configCache() or noCache() function that you can use to wrap any Component/Function and config cache of that.
    //you could change the name, it's not the point.
    configCache(async ()=>{
    // config cache everything here for example a fetch call or db query
    }, {
    time: 100 or 0
    //others config if you want
    })
    I really don't like the noStore() approach of a random function on my component that break the cache. And in my opinion everything could be easy if you start with no cache and allow cache everything with functions like this. But i also find that the current approach could work, but with better and less APis around caching and config.
    //Page/Layout/Route-Handler cache config
    Instead of
    const dynamic = 'force-dynamic';
    const revalidate = 0;
    what about
    export config: NextConfig = {
    cache: {
    dynamic: "force-dynamic",
    revalidate: 0,
    // or

    serverCache: 10,
    clientCache: 5,
    }
    }
    The point it's a single object with a type provided by Nextjs, right now route-segment-config have 7 config objects all of them with they own values, so it's really hard to remember all those. I really thing you guys should unifed all in one single object, with a Type + JSDocs with explanations. Also it's a single object that people can learn easly and autocomplete they way, instead of learning two or more config.
    Yeah, i know you could remove the need of the type with Typescript Plugins, but you should always provide them because what about people don't wanna use ts plugins or wanna be more explicit. For example IntelIJ don't work well with Typescript Plugins.
    All of this it's only feedback, you could change it like you want. But my point it's that if you should reduce the learning curve byproviding to the developers less API's to learn.

    • @rijkvanwel
      @rijkvanwel 10 месяцев назад +1

      Good idea on the config object. Those magic variables are indeed always hard to remember

  • @shao7620
    @shao7620 10 месяцев назад +8

    I love this style of complete transparency by vercel and their openness to feedback. I'm just learning Next.js right now and these videos are very helpful explaining the more tricky bits. Thank you and keep up the good work.

    • @jikd0
      @jikd0 10 месяцев назад +5

      Get ready for hell then

  • @drewhjava
    @drewhjava 10 месяцев назад +36

    "What if you have a fetch, but you don't want it cached?" Do you mean like 98% of all use cases people would use Next for?

    • @IvanKleshnin
      @IvanKleshnin 10 месяцев назад

      Nice one :)

    • @ИмяФамилия-х4в1е
      @ИмяФамилия-х4в1е 10 месяцев назад +2

      You can pass cache: 'no-store' to fetch, to opt out the default behavior

    • @mariossimou2635
      @mariossimou2635 10 месяцев назад +1

      Or set revalidate to 0, which also disables caching

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 10 месяцев назад

      @@ИмяФамилия-х4в1еyes but it shouldn’t be the default behavior. Caching is a very specific and intentional action and not a general thing. The comparison with the pages directory is also not ideal since you explicitly had to tell what is static and what is dynamic data before at one specific place. The same concept can’t just be transferred to the App directory. It just doesn’t work out if too much 🪄 magic is involved and you first need to explain your users why things behave the way they do. It should be self explanatory.

    • @zombiefacesupreme
      @zombiefacesupreme 10 месяцев назад +10

      Do you guys really think that they don't know how to opt out?
      The point is that caching is never expected to be opt-out. For the last 30 years of the web, it's always been opt-in. It's not surprising that this has been a huge point of contention.

  • @screemoh
    @screemoh 10 месяцев назад +3

    I think visually showing that there's a cache hit would go a long way to determine why something isn't doing what it's supposed to. For me at least this would be enough to go and read up what happens.
    The caching by default is disruptive for many it seems, but I happen to like the idea - performance is key these days and you get unintentional benefits from this compared to the opt-in approach.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад +1

      Did you see the logging config in the video?

  • @yoJuicy
    @yoJuicy 10 месяцев назад +5

    That was so helpful! Would love a weekly video series like this to help people out with intermediate/advanced 13/14 stuff. You guys are amazing.

  • @api-first
    @api-first 7 месяцев назад +2

    The development of NextJs is just super confusing. Seeing a video like this makes it super clear. It's just a lot of "we've added some custom magic here, ah and this part is also just some custom magic, ah and this part is custom magic ...". I've been doing react for years and I have to watch and read everything 5x before things start to make sense. What's the big win to be had by adding all this complexity? Marginally more control compared to the 'pages' router? I really applaud everyone who is trying to make sense of all this complexity ... I'm just shaking my head over this ...

  • @geetube79
    @geetube79 10 месяцев назад

    After using next for years I recently started using the app router, but the feature I was hoping to understand the most is how to revalidate pages in SSG after a set period of time when using app router. This feature is great for projects using quota based apis and services for example.

  • @Lucas-gt8en
    @Lucas-gt8en 10 месяцев назад +3

    Would it be possible to explain why the defaults were set so ‘aggressively’ for lack of a better word? Do more complex apps benefit in a way I’m not seeing? Or does it have something to do with how Vercel hosts NextJS apps perhaps? I’d love to know!

  • @WesBos
    @WesBos 9 месяцев назад

    this cache API is fantastic - big fan of it! Agree that the cache key + tags are a bit confusing, I'm a big fan!

    • @ahmed-ll3kk
      @ahmed-ll3kk 7 месяцев назад

      wow you are here !

  • @Thikondrius
    @Thikondrius 10 месяцев назад +2

    It seems that Next.js is listening to the community. Indeed the fetch override is a red flag, but you seems that have listen to the community which is great. It should be removed because core function should not change.
    Also, yes indeed cache is agreessive, probably to much. We understand why you did that, it's super performant , but not easy to work with as dev. Its easier to add cache optim when we need it than removing it when we don't.
    Otherwise we are forced to understand all the default cache mechanism even if we don't need them.
    I think the community is pretty much unanimous about that. We count on you to keep this framework amazing and easy to work with 👍
    Thank you for this very well explained video

  • @SantiagoMA
    @SantiagoMA 10 месяцев назад +2

    Love Next and even more the new functionalities that App Router introduces but with the time has been clear that you choose the wrong default related to caching, I mean have caching in the framework is great but It should have the opposite defaults, no caching and then when adding revalidate = false -> static, revalidate = # -> ISR, etc… same for other apis like fetch.
    And for other promises rely on react.cache or next/cache -> cache() wrappers. Or should be just possible to select default behavior on next.config.
    That unstable_noStore is a really ugly API that shows how wrong default was selected; also being forced to think almost everywhere if you need or not revalidatePath / revalidateTag functions (which are great but shouldn’t be the default) is counterintuitive, you should be using them only if you are consciously caching. For code readability would be more clear and intuitive that if a function is wrapped with cache then is cached if not is not. Same for fetch, etc. now we are in a strange mix where fetch and many other things are is cached but for others you have to manually cache e.g. db queries (which is clear but fetch is not).
    I know the purpose was good but the end result creates more issues for the dev that what resolves, if I don’t add caching my app might consume more resources but stills working just as expected, them on the analytics tools, profiler or whatever tool you check what happens, but the other way as is now is really hard to know why something doesn’t work. Also many apps already has caching layers with Redis or so and as caching is default now you have two caches to manage and is hard to know which is causing the issue.
    Also makes hard to use other “frameworks” on the API routes, is great all the WebAPI WinterCG Request/Response things but if I want to mount a Hono / Elysia / Hattip / HeadlessCMS /Proxy-Server instance on them you’re never going to be sure if Next cache is interfering with them.

  • @Mirislomovmirjalol
    @Mirislomovmirjalol 10 месяцев назад +12

    Hi Lee. I am not really professional, but next js's caching feature seems like changing a lot of stuff for me (especially avoid using bunch of libraries like redis). However, I am still didn't fully understand the caching yet. In my case, I have CMS kind of admin dashboard with landing page website (all in one next js project. no APIs). there is no external source to change data from database. Can I use caching everywhere and just revalidate when there data changes or adds new data? Am I right?

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 10 месяцев назад

      You wouldn’t cache everywhere. For dashboards, caching makes little sense unless you want to cache some common data that you fetch from your database for all users which is expensive to do.
      Keep in mind if you are self hosting with multiple instances, the entire caching and revalidating becomes a joke and you need to implement the cache handler/storage urself, see docs.
      With partial prerendering (beta) you could render a shell of the page and everything else that is static and keep the rest dynamic.

    • @ashdaily7640
      @ashdaily7640 10 месяцев назад

      @@BBxx19 what do you mean by self hosting with multiple instances? Why would it affect caching?

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ashdaily7640 Assuming you want to use some of the caching features: if you have multiple instances running which is usual, e.g. multiple pods in a k8s cluster, then you will have multiple applications running that will have different caching states since they can’t share the cache when you revalidate something, without a custom cache config. Thus you can have stale data when reloading the page depending on which instance is serving you.

    • @ashdaily7640
      @ashdaily7640 10 месяцев назад

      @@BBxx19 that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. In such cases, we would have to use a shared place for caching like Redis, right?

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      Yes, Redis would be a good choice

  • @_evillevi
    @_evillevi 8 месяцев назад +4

    unstable_cache just saved my life, thank you, kind vercel dev of the tube

  • @carlosagsmendes
    @carlosagsmendes 10 месяцев назад +3

    Very interesting! Two questions come to mind about partial pre-rendering. #1 How do we deal with nounces? #2 If we want to pre-render pages that are not accessible to all users, is there a hook to run a security check before serving the page? Thank you

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      #2 Yep, just use cookies(). Or use a middleware.
      Btw I wonder, if I use cookies() only in a middleware, will it prevent page to be static cached?

    • @carlosagsmendes
      @carlosagsmendes 10 месяцев назад

      Thank you. Does it have middleware per route? Can we make rest requests from the API?

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 10 месяцев назад

      @@carlosagsmendes middleware applies for all routes, but you can filter it depends on url: request.nextUrl.pathname
      Don't know how the cache will work with middlewares though

  • @AsjadAnis
    @AsjadAnis 10 месяцев назад +1

    Would be great to see these demos when doing self hosting instead of vercel because caching/on-demand ISR is a mess when self hosting.

  • @lucasprins8895
    @lucasprins8895 9 месяцев назад

    That next config option for logging is very useful, thanks!

  • @zaynelovecraft
    @zaynelovecraft 10 месяцев назад +2

    Love your content. Next Js team is so awesome! Keep it up!

  • @ahmednasar-e7x
    @ahmednasar-e7x 10 месяцев назад +1

    amazing work guys I really love nextJS and what you do so keep it up and don't change the app router in the feature let the base change it a little maybe but don't mess with it i love it

  • @griffadev
    @griffadev 10 месяцев назад +1

    Stable app router caching, brushing over all the unstable APIs

  • @Fralleee
    @Fralleee 10 месяцев назад +2

    The video we all wanted, thanks and great job!

  • @relaxwithai
    @relaxwithai 10 месяцев назад +1

    I will love to see a video about resusable client and server action validation/error handling pattern. That's where some of these server action patterns falls apart when I'm developing and I haven't found a better solution.

  • @techshare5778
    @techshare5778 6 месяцев назад

    Amazing video. All my confusion is gone now

  • @codinginflow
    @codinginflow 10 месяцев назад

    (unstable_)cache is only necessary if you need to dedupe a request, right? E.g. between the Page and generateMetadata. It is not required to cache a page statically. That happens automatically at build time even if you don't wrap your DB calls.

  • @nilskaspersson
    @nilskaspersson 9 месяцев назад

    This is super helpful! I would love an expanded discussion on how caching works with authentication. Can I cache resource data that is behind authorization? Then, by extension, if two people have access to that same data, can they both be made to hit the same cache?

  • @oscaryiudev
    @oscaryiudev 10 месяцев назад

    I like the logging feature in 6:30 so much!!!

  • @tradfluteman
    @tradfluteman 10 месяцев назад +1

    NextJS has not clearly communicated WHY the framework does what it does. It's not that the APIs haven't been explained sufficiently well, or that there isn't enough documentation on the way caching works. It's that most of us adopted this tool early on, without having a true understanding of SPAs or MPAs, and now we're rushing headlong into deep-MPA territory without knowing what it gives us besides "less javascript" and "faster load times".
    I've produced a summary, rough around the edges, which is more for myself than anyone, and I'm putting it out here. Bear with me, if you've been struggling so far --- this is the missing bit of the NextJS explanation:
    MPAs are all about first-load UX and SEO optimization. To understand this, let's imagine that NextJS operates a "route rendering engine" for each route, which is a kind of expensive black box: your server-side React code.
    Each rendering engine has inputs and outputs. If a route is fully static, that means that whenever NextJS runs the engine for this route, whether at build time (Static Generation) or at first-request time (Incremental Static Generation), it knows that it can cache the output *because all the inputs have become known*. Next time anyone requests the route, they could receive the cached output from a CDN or from NextJS's "Full Route Cache". Either way the rendering engine doesn't run and the server has to do less work.
    Also, because static pages are meant to be served from anywhere, including a CDN, you can't access any request-time data (cookies, headers, searchParams, etc) when you want static generation, even in layouts. This is a good thing. It enables your partially rendered code to be served instantly to web-crawlers as well as users switching from other websites to yours. You may need to do client-side data-fetching to get personalized data and complete the rendering, but the most important, contentful components of the page will already be there, b/c previous non-unique rendering work is being shared across visitors.
    Partial prerendering (PPR) turns the expensive black box opaque, through some clever static analysis. NextJS can know which outputs depend on which inputs, but if an input changes and some output depends on it, the entire engine still has to run again in order to produce the new output. The cost of running the engine is still incurred, but the user gets to see the independent, static outputs before the engine runs, and then only later do the dynamic, dependent outputs stream in. That's why the page seems "partially static" (it is still dynamic). Do this if you really need the speed gains from parallel streaming, or security guarantees from the server (e.g. accessing personal data), just remember that it will again cause all your code to run server-side on each request.
    Finally, the inputs have to be cached as much as possible to make this model work. Otherwise, compared to SPAs, the cost of hosting would just go up. Relative to the old Next semi-MPAs with SSR, the current model is definitely cheaper. NextJS wants your pages to be static, for your sake. So engineer thoughtfully, ignore the noise that claims server-side is all better or all worse than client-side, and implement the right trade-offs for your product.

  • @yudistiraashadi6643
    @yudistiraashadi6643 10 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing video, Lee! Coming from PHP world, I really like the idea of React having RSC and moving to server more simply because there will be less thing to keep track on. I also appreciate Next.js and React team focus more on stability for this past months, keep up the good work!

  • @edhahaz
    @edhahaz 5 месяцев назад

    Going from straight forward concepts you can learn and study like SSG, ISR, SSR, CSR to this intrinsic knowledge caching hurts my brain

  • @lucass.p9579
    @lucass.p9579 10 месяцев назад +2

    I would like to see a video this about error handling too.

  • @wfl-junior
    @wfl-junior 10 месяцев назад +1

    At the end there is a flash from 5d ago to 7d ago close to the article date

  • @marvy-ye5hu
    @marvy-ye5hu 10 месяцев назад +2

    we're going back to pages router with this one 🔥🔥🔥

  • @CodingBill
    @CodingBill 7 месяцев назад

    Great video, could you talk about layout components as well ? As far as i know the fetching and caching behavior is a bit different.

  • @logemann74
    @logemann74 10 месяцев назад +2

    love those little demos .... really valuable

  • @Svish_
    @Svish_ 10 месяцев назад +1

    Could you make a video explaining the difference between React cache, and Next unstable_cache? Found that part a bit confusing... Is React cache something that Next uses under the hood and I should stay away from, or are there cases where I should prefer React cache over Next unstable_cache? 🤔

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 10 месяцев назад +1

      React cache is somewhat comparable to useMemo but is obviously used differently in the context of server components. You can perform an expensive operation (get some data from the db, do some calculations, check the authentication of the user etc.) and only perform it once for the full rendering/request even if you call it from 5 different components.
      E.g.: You get user details from the DB in the layout to check if they are authenticated, additionally you get the user on a specific page to check for authorization. If you warp the function to get the data from DB with cache, you will only perform one DB call instead of two.
      At the end of the render, this cache is emptied.
      The nextjs cache can be used if you want to cache some general data that will persist over different requests, users etc.

  • @JShunk
    @JShunk 7 месяцев назад +2

    If I have a website that can pull and push data from a MongoDB server and another separate website that just pulls the data from the server how do I get the second website to update during production and know that new data has been added? It works great on a development server cause there is not caching but my only option right now is to rebuild and push the production app everytime the database is modified to get the most up to date information because without it I can see it just hits nextjs-cache that never updates. It is so frustruitng cause there is not way to even add a way to refresh the cache every hour or something.

    • @JShunk
      @JShunk 7 месяцев назад +1

      Here is what the API looks like atm:
      export const GET = async (req: Request, res: NextResponse) => {
      try {
      await connectDB();
      const post = await prisma.post.findMany();
      return NextResponse.json({message: "Data fetched successfully", post}, {status: 200})
      } catch (err) {
      return NextResponse.json({message: "Error fetching data", err}, {status: 500})
      } finally{
      await disconnectDB();
      }
      };

  • @landsman737
    @landsman737 10 месяцев назад +1

    I like this framework and have been using it for almost 5 years. Caching and the way how to fetch data is probably the worst thing on the latest versions for me. The whole concept of putting duplicate API requests to several places and "fixing it" by caching feels just wrong. I have been building apps for 15 years and this was always a sign that you are doing something wrong, now you are teaching people the exact opposite. Mental battle.

  • @williamschaefermeyer7007
    @williamschaefermeyer7007 10 месяцев назад +1

    Really tough having dev behave different than production build. I'd hope they'd always be the same behavior as far as caching goes. Enjoyed the video though thank you for explaining

    • @ooogabooga5111
      @ooogabooga5111 9 месяцев назад

      This is the REALL problem, I wish more people talked this.

  • @codinginflow
    @codinginflow 10 месяцев назад +2

    Instead of unstable_cache I've been using (and teaching) React's cache

  • @vash6249
    @vash6249 10 месяцев назад +1

    Is there a way to implement a polling system directly using Next.js that could be combined also with revalidate function to get fresh data every certain amount of time?

  • @27sosite73
    @27sosite73 9 месяцев назад

    thank you
    legit video
    we are still here and AI has not replaced us yet

  • @proudkinglion2215
    @proudkinglion2215 10 месяцев назад +1

    I just want to ask for adding setting that disables all cashing and gives apportunity to add cashing where I want. It is strange to disable cash everywhere. All peaple in comments ask you to change it.

  • @mattmasurka318
    @mattmasurka318 10 месяцев назад +1

    The no-store route/component example is pretty confusing. If I understand correctly, you *are* caching that (ie: it doesn't contain noStore() etc), but its name suggests otherwise.

  • @abbastaeb505
    @abbastaeb505 9 месяцев назад

    awesome video! thank you. i have a question though... i think i can see the fetch cache and unstable_cache as alternatives for getServerSideProps and getStaticProps by setting the config like cache: 'no-store' and revalidate: x. i can using them to cache data between requests. also i can use react cache to dedupe running functions and ... in a single request. it seem like memoization. so what if i want using react cache and nextjs cache altogether??

  • @loveboat
    @loveboat 10 месяцев назад +1

    If I'm building a page that is mostly a "dashboard" for logged in users, is there any point in using the App router? Should I use Nextjs 13 instead? Or something else entirely..?

  • @juanferrer5885
    @juanferrer5885 10 месяцев назад

    Great video! where can i find the static pages after building?

  • @MrSandeeparneja
    @MrSandeeparneja 10 месяцев назад +2

    how to enable that logging which shows that a route was dynamically built?

    • @nicc1262
      @nicc1262 2 месяца назад

      Yes - having same issue

  • @gabrielmedina488
    @gabrielmedina488 10 месяцев назад

    More terminal tooling and indication would be great. I feel like we should have better tooling for all these new concepts, specially during runtime.

  • @MZadz
    @MZadz 10 месяцев назад +3

    Next.js caching is so non-intuitive 😵‍💫I think it's time for the Vercel dev team to acknowledge the mostly negative feedback regarding caching mechanisms in app router, and simply allow for an opt-out option via the config file. No idea why you'd ever want this behaviour out of the box.

  • @sympijs
    @sympijs 10 месяцев назад +2

    Can we use "force-dynamic" route segment to opt into dynamic routing? It looks much cleaner than calling noStore

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад +1

      You should basically never need the route segment options, those are the eject button - I'll try to make this more clear in the docs!

    • @samithafernando6432
      @samithafernando6432 10 месяцев назад

      @@leerob we had to use it because of CSP headers :(. Is there a better way to support CSP without using "eject" button?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад

      @@samithafernando6432 noStore should achieve the same thing. Does it not for you?

  • @DVSK1
    @DVSK1 10 месяцев назад +1

    revalidateTag looks promising, but still has a confusing invocation signature, should i create a "tag" and re-use later?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 10 месяцев назад

      You add tags onto your fetches, so the tag is part of the cache key to invalidate.

    • @DVSK1
      @DVSK1 10 месяцев назад

      In the case of fetches directly with server actions, how do I define a tag to revalidate later?

  • @marcintichoniuk6554
    @marcintichoniuk6554 9 месяцев назад

    I wish you make another film deeply explaining foundations of caching - for both static and dynamic routes. We have 4 different cache parts (1 for client and 3 for server) and I think Router Cache (client side) is the most frustrating one. It's easy to manually reload the page, everything works fine but no one uses the internet like that and for me Router Cache causing problems when navigating through different routes.

    • @nicc1262
      @nicc1262 2 месяца назад

      Yes 100% same

  • @incseeuu
    @incseeuu 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks! Awesome video! I want more content like this about next.js

  • @whramijg
    @whramijg 2 месяца назад

    When the framework you're investigating has more (code) smells than a locker room.

  • @JEM_GG
    @JEM_GG 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you Lee, these are so helpful

  • @aflg75
    @aflg75 10 месяцев назад

    Great examples. how would you recommend to go about caching when there are cookies in the request specific to a user? Currently if you cache an endpoint that has headers, it memorizes with the headers specific to a users session. Would you recommend to still cache? Which would be the best pattern?

  • @BrandonClapp
    @BrandonClapp 7 месяцев назад

    Have to use a webhook to invalidate the cache so that my database query executes and returns new data when an external source updates my data? Wow how did something so simple get so complex? Defaulting to static pre-rendering even though my server component had a db query in it was really surprising. At least with getServerSideProps and getStaticProps you knew how your page was going to be built, I would like more control over how pages get rendered and have it decoupled from the caching mechanism. Forcing this caching in app router adds so much more complexity and makes simple things like issuing a db query way more complicated than they need to be. Caching needs to be an opt-in feature instead of something that requires using an unstable API to bypass.

  • @CadisDiEtrama000
    @CadisDiEtrama000 10 месяцев назад

    Is there any difference between getStaticProps(), and doing an static fetch?

  • @MZadz
    @MZadz 10 месяцев назад +1

    Also, I think people are most frustrated with the 30 second router cache... i.e when navigating to a new Page via a component, always call the async fetch fns on render. Where is an example of this?

    • @ooogabooga5111
      @ooogabooga5111 9 месяцев назад

      The problem is that we are unable to control the caching in depth. Router cache just does what it wants. A granular control over cashing will make everything better imo.

  • @itsmannyb
    @itsmannyb 10 месяцев назад +2

    Insightful and helpful explanation, Lee!

  • @christophercaldwell6641
    @christophercaldwell6641 10 месяцев назад

    2 questions: in the docs it says fetch is auto opted out if you use the Authorization header and some other criteria I don’t fully understand. Is there a way to turn this off and stay opted in to caching while using the Authorization header? Imagine a private API you need a token for. The token doesn’t change, but all the fetch reqs are auto opted out.
    The other, by using partial pre rendering, can you use the dynamic function “cookies” and NOT have the entire route be opted in to dynamic rendering? An example, a static page of products, with a singular component that fetches the products a user has “liked”. The products don’t change, but reading the cookie to show the products the user has liked would opt the entire route into dynamic rendering. Can this be avoided?

  • @enstromper
    @enstromper 10 месяцев назад

    @leerob For the `unstable_cache` method, is it possible to turn on logging to see when the cache is being hit?

  • @IAMTHEMUSK
    @IAMTHEMUSK Месяц назад

    I have made a nextjs fulstack app that runs all its pages as "use client", those client pages call the nextjs api that calls directly an external api. But the external api responses seem to be cashed in next js app because they are always the same. For example I upcate an object in a list, the list returned is the last state of the list after last app deployment. If I call the external api, the real response is the updated state, but nextjs ignores it and prioritize its cached value.
    This happens only on deployed apps, I don't have this behaviour in local, I don't understand why I never had that issue before

  • @paulpietzko
    @paulpietzko 5 месяцев назад

    I created GET and PATCH API endpoints. They work perfectly fine on my localhost, but when I deploy the app, the response is always cached. Is there a way to disable caching on Vercel for specific routes?

  • @Luisllaboj19
    @Luisllaboj19 8 месяцев назад

    when the unstable_cache from next becomes stable, both react and next cache wrappers will be imported as "cache"?
    if so, whats the best practice there, in case you need to use both cache functions? Or is it better to use next's version? :c

  • @derekgygax9928
    @derekgygax9928 8 месяцев назад

    I think I understand the unstable_cache() function but does this only apply on a dynamically rendered page? What if you have a statically generated page on a production build that uses a database call wrapped in unstable_cache() with the tag 'page'. If a server action is run that calls revalidateTag('page'), will that statically generated page be rerendered?

  • @jasonmcpeak
    @jasonmcpeak 10 месяцев назад

    I like it, your starting to match the features of RTK. Do you have any plans to allow transforming the response?

  • @david.thomas.108
    @david.thomas.108 9 месяцев назад

    Great video and well explained thanks.

  • @misikir
    @misikir 10 месяцев назад +1

    Lee. Is caching worth for small to medium project?

    • @27sosite73
      @27sosite73 10 месяцев назад

      for any size project that needs cashing

  • @discoverlance
    @discoverlance 10 месяцев назад

    How do you configure a CDN to work with Next.JS caching? Or best, how do you configure Next.JS to work with CDN caching. Are there any gotchas or configurations we need to consider on the CDN or Next.js level?

  • @AdebiyiDaniel
    @AdebiyiDaniel 3 месяца назад

    Hello, how does revalidate tag/path affect pagination

  • @Vedica-kr6hd
    @Vedica-kr6hd 8 месяцев назад

    How can cache pages with dynamic routes? Like I have a page (app/[lng]/product/[id]/page.tsx). Is there any provision to cache such pages?

  • @jasonjimenez9116
    @jasonjimenez9116 8 месяцев назад

    Feels a bit complicated for now. But i guess it's just me since Iliterally just started to wrap my head around nextjs a few days ago.

  • @tushars4038
    @tushars4038 5 месяцев назад

    We are using Nextjs 14 App router and when we are trying to enable caching in Cloudfront, all assets are getting duplicated. All images on page is replaced by one image. Is this a nextjs issue or Cloudfront ? Appreciate any help.

  • @zaynelovecraft
    @zaynelovecraft 3 месяца назад

    13:20 this is great but you had to Hard Reload to get the browser cache to break the cache on the browser side... This is still difficult to me when I revalidatePath its great because if I hard reload the static page is rebuilt but how can I stop the browser from showing its cached version of the page without hard reloading. I am also using the Link component and this component skips hard reloads when navigating between pages.

  • @nicolasguillenc
    @nicolasguillenc 8 месяцев назад

    At 12:32 isn't it a problem that we would need to keep track of every tag that needs to be revalidated when data changes? I have not finished the video so maybe you will address this but it doesn't seem intuitive.

  • @yjkim1243
    @yjkim1243 10 месяцев назад

    going from React to Next.js the complexity in learning used to be just a bit more challenging, Now with RSC, it's 10 times more difficult. Discussion with my teammates always end up with what about in RSC? what about the case in client components? Moreover I just use React-Query for all my Get request, it would be nice if fetching was noStore by default, if I understood it correctly.

    • @mako3010
      @mako3010 10 месяцев назад

      For newer devs just use the pages router, you'll be 10x more productive right now.

  • @darelbvcr687
    @darelbvcr687 10 месяцев назад

    do weekly videos on intermediate/advanced topics that are most common use cases in next 13/14

  • @App1eLetsPLays
    @App1eLetsPLays 7 месяцев назад

    How can I update the cache for a specific tag manually? I want to update DB Data with fetch POST, and use the returned data to update the cache for the corresponding get requests, so I don't have to fetch it with revalidateTag and make a redundant request, since I already have the data.

  • @brennang02
    @brennang02 7 месяцев назад

    When your seeing the cache hit at 06:30 is that in a development mode. All i seem to get is Cache missed reason: (auto cache) and i cannot work out why.

  • @蒲田のピカチュウ
    @蒲田のピカチュウ 10 месяцев назад

    In the fetch chapter, GETs are cached, but is this Data Cache, or is Data Cache enabled even though it is not deployed in Vercel?

  • @rtorcato
    @rtorcato 10 месяцев назад

    Nextjs pages should be typed with typescript so we can see changes to the api. Something like this: type NextPage = {
    (props: T): JSX.Element | Promise
    revalidate?: boolean | number
    dynamic?: 'force-dynamic'
    metadata?: Metadata
    generateMetaData?: () => {}
    }

  • @mahadevovnl
    @mahadevovnl 10 месяцев назад

    Those functions like you suggested (`revalidateAfter(10)` for example) would be perfect for decorators, no? They look very out of place and separate from the context inside a function.

  • @myview7029
    @myview7029 8 месяцев назад

    I have one question when we work in next js and node js then nodejs devloper send token in response then we can get it in client side then how we can protect page in middleware using server side because next js middleware run on server

  • @muhammadhossam8557
    @muhammadhossam8557 10 месяцев назад

    why at min 9:40 (the request) of the direct call of the database not cached, while at min 18:15 (the request) is cached, is it because of the pure SQL vs ORM ?

  • @ariell121
    @ariell121 10 месяцев назад +1

    How can I opt-out of client side caching?

    • @ariell121
      @ariell121 10 месяцев назад +1

      Looking though the docs and I just found you can't opt-out of client side cache... wtf bro