Next.js App Router Caching: Explained!

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  • Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
  • Learn how to fetch, cache, and revalidate data using the Next.js App Router.
    0:00 - Introduction
    0:24 - Demo
    1:20 - Caching overview
    2:06 - Foundations
    6:10 - Static: fetch()
    7:03 - Dynamic: fetch() without caching
    7:37 - Static: unstable_cache()
    9:37 - Dynamic: Direct database calls
    10:07 - Revalidating static data
    12:32 - Revalidating from external sources (webhooks)
    14:12 - Revalidating static data with ISR
    15:28 - React cache()
    16:40 - App Router and Pages Router differences
    17:52 - Example: Forms with useFormState & useFormStatus
    19:33 - Using forms without JavaScript
    19:59 - Exploring the network tab for a Server Action
    20:49 - Example: Optimistic UI
    21:45 - Preventing navigations with pending mutations
    22:34 - Progressive enhancement
    23:39 - Partial Prerendering
    24:56 - Conclusion
    ◆ Forms example: github.com/vercel/next.js/tre...
    ◆ Optimistic UI example: github.com/vercel/next.js/tre...
    ◆ Docs: nextjs.org/docs/app/building-...
    ◆ Deep dive: github.com/vercel/next.js/dis...
    ◆ Partial Prerendering: vercel.com/blog/partial-prere...
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Комментарии • 325

  • @JaredFL
    @JaredFL 4 месяца назад +117

    Next 20 will include playing the Nextjs theme song on every page load but you can opt out using unstable_loadjQuery to load jQuery into the page which will disable the song.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +16

      Sounds dope, I love jQuery

    • @activenode
      @activenode 2 месяца назад

      Jared the man to provide criticism without saying it

  • @tom.watkins
    @tom.watkins 4 месяца назад +65

    I love next but the decisions around caching rank among the worst. You should have just left the fetch API alone (tRPC and anything else that used it immediately had issues) and caching by default was always going to something that many Devs struggled with. The new unstable cache function is how it always should have been done.
    That all being said, it's great to see people's feedback being taken seriously and things changing to reflect this 👍

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад +7

      Completely agree. Optimization should be one of the last steps to do, not the first one. Many pages will not need cache at all (or very limited by time), unless we are doing a Wordpress blog 😀

  • @rmrglr
    @rmrglr 4 месяца назад +217

    All of this should be opt-in, or at least give us a next.config.js option to disable caching all over the app. Default caching behaviour that is so aggressive, that it decides to make fetch calls in your API routes static at build time, it's mind-boggling.

    • @drewhjava
      @drewhjava 4 месяца назад +24

      Exactly. I don't even understand this framework is trying to accomplish. If I want static pages I would just set cache-control and stale while revalidate. Let me opt out of in-memory caching and static pages.

    • @onemaninaboat
      @onemaninaboat 4 месяца назад +9

      That's what I was about to write. Instead of several different methods all over the place to opt out, the caching should be entirely opt in. What a mess, eh?

    • @MrManafon
      @MrManafon 4 месяца назад +3

      Especially when you realise that monkeypatching fetch impacts all the third party libraries lol. Any SDK npm you use gets severe caching without you onowing or being able to prevent it. Meanwhile its still unclear how to cache non fetch-based stuff.

    • @meenstreek
      @meenstreek 4 месяца назад +9

      @@MrManafon While I agree that monkeypatching fetch is a bad call, you are commenting on a video that tells you how to cache a non fetch-based API call. It's at 7:37.

    • @RolandAyala
      @RolandAyala 4 месяца назад +3

      +1. Nextjs caching drove me to Remix and, looking back, great decision. Nextjs caching is over-engineeried, and that this video is needed is yet another proof point.

  • @51Grimz
    @51Grimz 4 месяца назад +4

    Really helpful to see some official examples in video form explained!

  • @yoJuicy
    @yoJuicy 4 месяца назад +5

    That was so helpful! Would love a weekly video series like this to help people out with intermediate/advanced 13/14 stuff. You guys are amazing.

  • @BBxx19
    @BBxx19 4 месяца назад +39

    I said it once and I ll say it again. Caching should be opt in by default since it is an intentional performance optimization tool and not some magic thing that should be applied based on what is used where. The intention is good but sometimes trying to automatically optimize everything causes more issues than it helps - the amount of bugs that resulted from this complexity should be very telling.
    Focus the energy to educate the users how they can cache data and pages for optimization instead of trying to explain the default complex caching behavior that requires a lot of research for new users.
    If the users need to keep asking why things behave the way they do, then there is a major flaw with the design.

  • @Daddyjs
    @Daddyjs 3 месяца назад +2

    Love your content. Next Js team is so awesome! Keep it up!

  • @syedazeemjaved
    @syedazeemjaved 29 дней назад

    Great job in the first part of the video to highlight that caching does not work (as usual) when we are on a dev server, I remember that this got me scratching heads for quite sometime when I started with the App Router.

  • @FralleNet
    @FralleNet 3 месяца назад +2

    The video we all wanted, thanks and great job!

  • @axlYT
    @axlYT 4 месяца назад +18

    imo it would be better if it does not cache by default and u need to explicitly specify this kinda of doCache(). Idk it feels more natural to me this way then always getting confused by all stuff.

    • @inexistente
      @inexistente 4 месяца назад

      i'd rather choose to opt-in instead of opt-out too

  • @ryzzlas
    @ryzzlas 4 месяца назад +18

    Am at 6:40 now at the video. And I really would like to have much more tools to debug caching. Especially, when deployed.
    Because IMO the defaults are good and the idea behind the caching strategies of Next.js too. It's just lacking transparency, what's happening at any given time.
    One idea would be to have a secure API route where we can inspect, what asset is currently cached for a given active deployment, what pages depend on it, etc.

    • @sagesofsound298
      @sagesofsound298 3 месяца назад

      Right, just overall we need to have more ways to see things versus just assuming things.

    • @jacobsloots6481
      @jacobsloots6481 3 месяца назад

      Yeah if they could extend the logging to cover all cache use cases and provide an option to run it during full builds (or even better make the cache behavior in dev mirror build) it would go a long way in clarifying what exactly is going on.

  • @incseeuu
    @incseeuu 4 месяца назад

    Thanks! Awesome video! I want more content like this about next.js

  • @user-ex7fr7fe9w
    @user-ex7fr7fe9w 4 месяца назад +1

    amazing work guys I really love nextJS and what you do so keep it up and don't change the app router in the feature let the base change it a little maybe but don't mess with it i love it

  • @lucasprins8895
    @lucasprins8895 3 месяца назад

    That next config option for logging is very useful, thanks!

  • @wintercounter2
    @wintercounter2 4 месяца назад +20

    Next.js's default-on caching is so good, that I need monkey patching scripts on several projects for 3rd party libraries using fetch to fix the bugs it's causing. At this point, I don't care, it's just yet another hack/workaround I need to do while using Next.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +1

      Hey there, do you have a GitHub issue for the bug you're seeing? We can take a look. If you want to opt-out of caching for fetch, I talk about this @7:03 in the video.

    • @wintercounter2
      @wintercounter2 4 месяца назад +3

      @@leerob Tried to post a Github link but TY doesn't let me in any form...

    • @RevoSW
      @RevoSW 4 месяца назад

      @@wintercounter2 You could write it like "user/repo". Then people may substitute the user and repo in the actual github link

  • @sulavbaral9972
    @sulavbaral9972 4 месяца назад +10

    it would be good if we could get an entire video for how to create a nextjs app like its meant to from the vercel team
    something like a real world application like ecommerce or anything else would be great

  • @JEM_GG
    @JEM_GG 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you Lee, these are so helpful

  • @shao7620
    @shao7620 4 месяца назад +8

    I love this style of complete transparency by vercel and their openness to feedback. I'm just learning Next.js right now and these videos are very helpful explaining the more tricky bits. Thank you and keep up the good work.

    • @jikd0
      @jikd0 4 месяца назад +5

      Get ready for hell then

  • @yudistiraashadi6643
    @yudistiraashadi6643 4 месяца назад +1

    Amazing video, Lee! Coming from PHP world, I really like the idea of React having RSC and moving to server more simply because there will be less thing to keep track on. I also appreciate Next.js and React team focus more on stability for this past months, keep up the good work!

  • @relaxwithai
    @relaxwithai 4 месяца назад +1

    I will love to see a video about resusable client and server action validation/error handling pattern. That's where some of these server action patterns falls apart when I'm developing and I haven't found a better solution.

  • @sean_reyes
    @sean_reyes 4 месяца назад +32

    I kinda like to control caching on my own, so I want to entirely disable caching by NextJs... can I do that?

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      With app router? You can create a root layout with cookies() or headers(), and render children as usual.
      I think it will prevent creating static pages.

    • @FeFeronkaMetallica
      @FeFeronkaMetallica 4 месяца назад

      You cant

    • @chickenchaser176
      @chickenchaser176 3 месяца назад +1

      use pages router

    • @caiomiglioli
      @caiomiglioli 2 месяца назад +1

      @@AmirLatypov you can pass server components as children/props of client components (thats the basis of context/providers in next app router). So turning the layout to client component should not make its children into client components

    • @manojsoni232
      @manojsoni232 2 дня назад

      export const fetchCache ='force-no-store'

  • @itsmannyb
    @itsmannyb 4 месяца назад +2

    Insightful and helpful explanation, Lee!

  • @geetube79
    @geetube79 3 месяца назад

    After using next for years I recently started using the app router, but the feature I was hoping to understand the most is how to revalidate pages in SSG after a set period of time when using app router. This feature is great for projects using quota based apis and services for example.

  • @_evillevi
    @_evillevi 2 месяца назад +4

    unstable_cache just saved my life, thank you, kind vercel dev of the tube

  • @aflg75
    @aflg75 4 месяца назад

    Great examples. how would you recommend to go about caching when there are cookies in the request specific to a user? Currently if you cache an endpoint that has headers, it memorizes with the headers specific to a users session. Would you recommend to still cache? Which would be the best pattern?

  • @logemann74
    @logemann74 4 месяца назад +2

    love those little demos .... really valuable

  • @jasonmcpeak
    @jasonmcpeak 4 месяца назад

    I like it, your starting to match the features of RTK. Do you have any plans to allow transforming the response?

  • @Flash136
    @Flash136 4 месяца назад +14

    Happy to see more deep-dive explainers on how caching on Next.js works. I'm one of the few people that actually don't mind having caching on by default. The only thing I dislike from the current behavior is patching fetch to work differently to how users and library authors currently use it. I'm looking forward to the improvements the Next.js Team will be making in this regard.

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      Ha, the interesting thing that it doesn’t work, because it’s still unstable 😀.
      Without unstable functions, it’s easier to say - just use headers() or cookies() inside your code, or it will be cached as a static page. Done.

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      I suppose that no one wants to use unstable functions on their prods.

    • @aberba
      @aberba 4 месяца назад

      ​@@AmirLatypovworks for me though. I took a while to get used to...just like useEffect() but I like the simplicity now. It's more complicated but simple.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +2

      @@AmirLatypov As I mentioned in the video, the functionality is stable, it's just acknowledging that the API will likely change to become simplier. But yeah can use cookies instead!

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      ​@leerob Thanks for the reply!
      A couple of issues, though:
      1) The function name doesn't make it clear if it's stable. 😅
      2) You said it'll change over time, which sounds like extra work for us. So, my team's going with a third-party cache package that's already stable

  • @david.thomas.108
    @david.thomas.108 3 месяца назад

    Great video and well explained thanks.

  • @ableandrew
    @ableandrew 4 месяца назад

    lots of fun ideas, thanks!

  • @heeeyyooou8714
    @heeeyyooou8714 4 месяца назад +1

    Wow amazing please continue!

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +1

      Thanks!

  • @Lucas-gt8en
    @Lucas-gt8en 4 месяца назад +3

    Would it be possible to explain why the defaults were set so ‘aggressively’ for lack of a better word? Do more complex apps benefit in a way I’m not seeing? Or does it have something to do with how Vercel hosts NextJS apps perhaps? I’d love to know!

  • @oscaryiudev
    @oscaryiudev 3 месяца назад

    I like the logging feature in 6:30 so much!!!

  • @abbastaeb505
    @abbastaeb505 2 месяца назад

    awesome video! thank you. i have a question though... i think i can see the fetch cache and unstable_cache as alternatives for getServerSideProps and getStaticProps by setting the config like cache: 'no-store' and revalidate: x. i can using them to cache data between requests. also i can use react cache to dedupe running functions and ... in a single request. it seem like memoization. so what if i want using react cache and nextjs cache altogether??

  • @luisandrade1291
    @luisandrade1291 4 месяца назад +8

    Is there a difference between using “noStore()/cookies()/headers()” and “export const dynamic = ‘force-dynamic’;” ?

  • @WesBos
    @WesBos 2 месяца назад

    this cache API is fantastic - big fan of it! Agree that the cache key + tags are a bit confusing, I'm a big fan!

  • @vash6249
    @vash6249 4 месяца назад +1

    Is there a way to implement a polling system directly using Next.js that could be combined also with revalidate function to get fresh data every certain amount of time?

  • @EmoPorEmilio
    @EmoPorEmilio 4 месяца назад +20

    Wow, the importing cache from react and noStore from next seems like a mind boggling amount of complexity

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      Have you tried it out yet?

    • @EmoPorEmilio
      @EmoPorEmilio 4 месяца назад

      @@leerob yeah! I'm trying to really learn it because I like react, next and your videos. Thank you for them.
      Those two imports seemed crazy to me while watching and learning.

  • @oscarljimenez5717
    @oscarljimenez5717 4 месяца назад +6

    Great video like always Lee.
    But i have some feedback around caching.
    Right now we have a lot of ways on how to handle caching in Nextjs App Router, but i think you guys should simplify that to a single function + single page/layout/route-handler config. Let me explain.
    //Function/Component cache config
    Instead noStore() or revalidateAfter(), what about a single configCache() or noCache() function that you can use to wrap any Component/Function and config cache of that.
    //you could change the name, it's not the point.
    configCache(async ()=>{
    // config cache everything here for example a fetch call or db query
    }, {
    time: 100 or 0
    //others config if you want
    })
    I really don't like the noStore() approach of a random function on my component that break the cache. And in my opinion everything could be easy if you start with no cache and allow cache everything with functions like this. But i also find that the current approach could work, but with better and less APis around caching and config.
    //Page/Layout/Route-Handler cache config
    Instead of
    const dynamic = 'force-dynamic';
    const revalidate = 0;
    what about
    export config: NextConfig = {
    cache: {
    dynamic: "force-dynamic",
    revalidate: 0,
    // or

    serverCache: 10,
    clientCache: 5,
    }
    }
    The point it's a single object with a type provided by Nextjs, right now route-segment-config have 7 config objects all of them with they own values, so it's really hard to remember all those. I really thing you guys should unifed all in one single object, with a Type + JSDocs with explanations. Also it's a single object that people can learn easly and autocomplete they way, instead of learning two or more config.
    Yeah, i know you could remove the need of the type with Typescript Plugins, but you should always provide them because what about people don't wanna use ts plugins or wanna be more explicit. For example IntelIJ don't work well with Typescript Plugins.
    All of this it's only feedback, you could change it like you want. But my point it's that if you should reduce the learning curve byproviding to the developers less API's to learn.

    • @rijkvanwel
      @rijkvanwel 4 месяца назад +1

      Good idea on the config object. Those magic variables are indeed always hard to remember

  • @enstromper
    @enstromper 4 месяца назад

    @leerob For the `unstable_cache` method, is it possible to turn on logging to see when the cache is being hit?

  • @user-xw5pe7mp5w
    @user-xw5pe7mp5w 4 месяца назад +1

    Would be great to see these demos when doing self hosting instead of vercel because caching/on-demand ISR is a mess when self hosting.

  • @MrSandeeparneja
    @MrSandeeparneja 4 месяца назад +1

    how to enable that logging which shows that a route was dynamically built?

  • @Thikondrius
    @Thikondrius 4 месяца назад +2

    It seems that Next.js is listening to the community. Indeed the fetch override is a red flag, but you seems that have listen to the community which is great. It should be removed because core function should not change.
    Also, yes indeed cache is agreessive, probably to much. We understand why you did that, it's super performant , but not easy to work with as dev. Its easier to add cache optim when we need it than removing it when we don't.
    Otherwise we are forced to understand all the default cache mechanism even if we don't need them.
    I think the community is pretty much unanimous about that. We count on you to keep this framework amazing and easy to work with 👍
    Thank you for this very well explained video

  • @nilskaspersson
    @nilskaspersson 3 месяца назад

    This is super helpful! I would love an expanded discussion on how caching works with authentication. Can I cache resource data that is behind authorization? Then, by extension, if two people have access to that same data, can they both be made to hit the same cache?

  • @codinginflow
    @codinginflow 4 месяца назад

    (unstable_)cache is only necessary if you need to dedupe a request, right? E.g. between the Page and generateMetadata. It is not required to cache a page statically. That happens automatically at build time even if you don't wrap your DB calls.

  • @InternetTips_bb
    @InternetTips_bb Месяц назад +1

    The development of NextJs is just super confusing. Seeing a video like this makes it super clear. It's just a lot of "we've added some custom magic here, ah and this part is also just some custom magic, ah and this part is custom magic ...". I've been doing react for years and I have to watch and read everything 5x before things start to make sense. What's the big win to be had by adding all this complexity? Marginally more control compared to the 'pages' router? I really applaud everyone who is trying to make sense of all this complexity ... I'm just shaking my head over this ...

  • @juanferrer5885
    @juanferrer5885 4 месяца назад

    Great video! where can i find the static pages after building?

  • @lucass.p9579
    @lucass.p9579 4 месяца назад +2

    I would like to see a video this about error handling too.

  • @leerob
    @leerob 4 месяца назад +16

    Let me know what questions y'all have, hope this helps!

    • @debugloop
      @debugloop 4 месяца назад +8

      this much changes this often is mind fuck to be honest.

    • @kasper369
      @kasper369 4 месяца назад +2

      Amazing stuff! Love this kind of content. 💖

    • @kasper369
      @kasper369 4 месяца назад +1

      Maybe video on llms and next.js ?

    • @vommir.
      @vommir. 4 месяца назад

      Hi Lee, thanks for this video. I was stuck on App Router yesterday. Will try revalidateTag. Can you specify revalidate along with it?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      Good idea @@kasper369 !

  • @loveboat
    @loveboat 4 месяца назад +1

    If I'm building a page that is mostly a "dashboard" for logged in users, is there any point in using the App router? Should I use Nextjs 13 instead? Or something else entirely..?

  • @christophercaldwell6641
    @christophercaldwell6641 3 месяца назад

    2 questions: in the docs it says fetch is auto opted out if you use the Authorization header and some other criteria I don’t fully understand. Is there a way to turn this off and stay opted in to caching while using the Authorization header? Imagine a private API you need a token for. The token doesn’t change, but all the fetch reqs are auto opted out.
    The other, by using partial pre rendering, can you use the dynamic function “cookies” and NOT have the entire route be opted in to dynamic rendering? An example, a static page of products, with a singular component that fetches the products a user has “liked”. The products don’t change, but reading the cookie to show the products the user has liked would opt the entire route into dynamic rendering. Can this be avoided?

  • @Mirislomovmirjalol
    @Mirislomovmirjalol 4 месяца назад +12

    Hi Lee. I am not really professional, but next js's caching feature seems like changing a lot of stuff for me (especially avoid using bunch of libraries like redis). However, I am still didn't fully understand the caching yet. In my case, I have CMS kind of admin dashboard with landing page website (all in one next js project. no APIs). there is no external source to change data from database. Can I use caching everywhere and just revalidate when there data changes or adds new data? Am I right?

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 4 месяца назад

      You wouldn’t cache everywhere. For dashboards, caching makes little sense unless you want to cache some common data that you fetch from your database for all users which is expensive to do.
      Keep in mind if you are self hosting with multiple instances, the entire caching and revalidating becomes a joke and you need to implement the cache handler/storage urself, see docs.
      With partial prerendering (beta) you could render a shell of the page and everything else that is static and keep the rest dynamic.

    • @ashdaily7640
      @ashdaily7640 4 месяца назад

      @@BBxx19 what do you mean by self hosting with multiple instances? Why would it affect caching?

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 4 месяца назад +1

      @@ashdaily7640 Assuming you want to use some of the caching features: if you have multiple instances running which is usual, e.g. multiple pods in a k8s cluster, then you will have multiple applications running that will have different caching states since they can’t share the cache when you revalidate something, without a custom cache config. Thus you can have stale data when reloading the page depending on which instance is serving you.

    • @ashdaily7640
      @ashdaily7640 4 месяца назад

      @@BBxx19 that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. In such cases, we would have to use a shared place for caching like Redis, right?

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      Yes, Redis would be a good choice

  • @jonathansantosfb
    @jonathansantosfb 2 месяца назад

    Great video🎉!

  • @myview7029
    @myview7029 2 месяца назад

    I have one question when we work in next js and node js then nodejs devloper send token in response then we can get it in client side then how we can protect page in middleware using server side because next js middleware run on server

  • @mattd5419
    @mattd5419 4 месяца назад

    what if I want to tag a cached function? can I use both unstable_cache and cache together?

  • @user-cw4tm8od8c
    @user-cw4tm8od8c 4 месяца назад

    In the fetch chapter, GETs are cached, but is this Data Cache, or is Data Cache enabled even though it is not deployed in Vercel?

  • @discoverlance
    @discoverlance 4 месяца назад

    How do you configure a CDN to work with Next.JS caching? Or best, how do you configure Next.JS to work with CDN caching. Are there any gotchas or configurations we need to consider on the CDN or Next.js level?

  • @derekgygax9928
    @derekgygax9928 2 месяца назад

    I think I understand the unstable_cache() function but does this only apply on a dynamically rendered page? What if you have a statically generated page on a production build that uses a database call wrapped in unstable_cache() with the tag 'page'. If a server action is run that calls revalidateTag('page'), will that statically generated page be rerendered?

  • @Vedica-kr6hd
    @Vedica-kr6hd Месяц назад

    How can cache pages with dynamic routes? Like I have a page (app/[lng]/product/[id]/page.tsx). Is there any provision to cache such pages?

  • @brennang02
    @brennang02 28 дней назад

    When your seeing the cache hit at 06:30 is that in a development mode. All i seem to get is Cache missed reason: (auto cache) and i cannot work out why.

  • @luisandrade1291
    @luisandrade1291 4 месяца назад

    Can noStore() be used in production like next cache?

  • @CodingBill
    @CodingBill 24 дня назад

    Great video, could you talk about layout components as well ? As far as i know the fetching and caching behavior is a bit different.

  • @CadisDiEtrama000
    @CadisDiEtrama000 4 месяца назад

    Is there any difference between getStaticProps(), and doing an static fetch?

  • @Luisllaboj19
    @Luisllaboj19 2 месяца назад

    when the unstable_cache from next becomes stable, both react and next cache wrappers will be imported as "cache"?
    if so, whats the best practice there, in case you need to use both cache functions? Or is it better to use next's version? :c

  • @muhammadhossam8557
    @muhammadhossam8557 4 месяца назад

    why at min 9:40 (the request) of the direct call of the database not cached, while at min 18:15 (the request) is cached, is it because of the pure SQL vs ORM ?

  • @codinginflow
    @codinginflow 4 месяца назад +2

    Instead of unstable_cache I've been using (and teaching) React's cache

  • @screemoh
    @screemoh 4 месяца назад +2

    I think visually showing that there's a cache hit would go a long way to determine why something isn't doing what it's supposed to. For me at least this would be enough to go and read up what happens.
    The caching by default is disruptive for many it seems, but I happen to like the idea - performance is key these days and you get unintentional benefits from this compared to the opt-in approach.

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +1

      Did you see the logging config in the video?

  • @SantiagoMA
    @SantiagoMA 4 месяца назад +2

    Love Next and even more the new functionalities that App Router introduces but with the time has been clear that you choose the wrong default related to caching, I mean have caching in the framework is great but It should have the opposite defaults, no caching and then when adding revalidate = false -> static, revalidate = # -> ISR, etc… same for other apis like fetch.
    And for other promises rely on react.cache or next/cache -> cache() wrappers. Or should be just possible to select default behavior on next.config.
    That unstable_noStore is a really ugly API that shows how wrong default was selected; also being forced to think almost everywhere if you need or not revalidatePath / revalidateTag functions (which are great but shouldn’t be the default) is counterintuitive, you should be using them only if you are consciously caching. For code readability would be more clear and intuitive that if a function is wrapped with cache then is cached if not is not. Same for fetch, etc. now we are in a strange mix where fetch and many other things are is cached but for others you have to manually cache e.g. db queries (which is clear but fetch is not).
    I know the purpose was good but the end result creates more issues for the dev that what resolves, if I don’t add caching my app might consume more resources but stills working just as expected, them on the analytics tools, profiler or whatever tool you check what happens, but the other way as is now is really hard to know why something doesn’t work. Also many apps already has caching layers with Redis or so and as caching is default now you have two caches to manage and is hard to know which is causing the issue.
    Also makes hard to use other “frameworks” on the API routes, is great all the WebAPI WinterCG Request/Response things but if I want to mount a Hono / Elysia / Hattip / HeadlessCMS /Proxy-Server instance on them you’re never going to be sure if Next cache is interfering with them.

  • @tommycallsuback
    @tommycallsuback 9 дней назад

    can we do "stale while revalidate" without using react query? (With Next 14, RSC). I want my routes dynamic but when user goes to route, he initially should see stale cache of his previous visit to the route during the same session. Suspense loading should be only shown in the first visit to route.

  • @insertvalues
    @insertvalues 4 месяца назад

    Usually if I want to opt out cache for a call I go with cache: no-store in the options or just invoke the headers() or cookies(). One little dirty trick, is just to invoke headers() in the layout,and that will opt out your cache for all the children pages. Not ideal, but it works.
    I still don't get the benefits of using startTransition, though. Docs doesn't seem to show anything related currently and when I revalidate I got the updates of the page anyway. What's the value? Could someone help me to understand that?

  • @proudkinglion2215
    @proudkinglion2215 4 месяца назад +1

    I just want to ask for adding setting that disables all cashing and gives apportunity to add cashing where I want. It is strange to disable cash everywhere. All peaple in comments ask you to change it.

  • @App1eLetsPLays
    @App1eLetsPLays Месяц назад

    How can I update the cache for a specific tag manually? I want to update DB Data with fetch POST, and use the returned data to update the cache for the corresponding get requests, so I don't have to fetch it with revalidateTag and make a redundant request, since I already have the data.

  • @Svish_
    @Svish_ 4 месяца назад +1

    Could you make a video explaining the difference between React cache, and Next unstable_cache? Found that part a bit confusing... Is React cache something that Next uses under the hood and I should stay away from, or are there cases where I should prefer React cache over Next unstable_cache? 🤔

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 4 месяца назад +1

      React cache is somewhat comparable to useMemo but is obviously used differently in the context of server components. You can perform an expensive operation (get some data from the db, do some calculations, check the authentication of the user etc.) and only perform it once for the full rendering/request even if you call it from 5 different components.
      E.g.: You get user details from the DB in the layout to check if they are authenticated, additionally you get the user on a specific page to check for authorization. If you warp the function to get the data from DB with cache, you will only perform one DB call instead of two.
      At the end of the render, this cache is emptied.
      The nextjs cache can be used if you want to cache some general data that will persist over different requests, users etc.

  • @27sosite73
    @27sosite73 3 месяца назад

    thank you
    legit video
    we are still here and AI has not replaced us yet

  • @sympijs
    @sympijs 4 месяца назад +2

    Can we use "force-dynamic" route segment to opt into dynamic routing? It looks much cleaner than calling noStore

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +1

      You should basically never need the route segment options, those are the eject button - I'll try to make this more clear in the docs!

    • @samithafernando6432
      @samithafernando6432 4 месяца назад

      @@leerob we had to use it because of CSP headers :(. Is there a better way to support CSP without using "eject" button?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      @@samithafernando6432 noStore should achieve the same thing. Does it not for you?

  • @PaweZakrzewskiDex
    @PaweZakrzewskiDex 4 месяца назад

    ok, so i have this super strange problem with cache on amplify, not sure why, and i had it also with next 13. when i build the app it creates static sites based on content provided by fetch. i tried setting revalidate in path (layout) as well as in fetch functions that grab articles, i also tried unstable_cache aproach as presented here, i upped node to 20 on amplify image as well. i ALWAYS get the same problem: the page is served with the content from build time, when refreshed (sometimes few times) it loads updated content, but then after revalidation period i goes back not to last cache but to build time.
    does anyone had similar issue? what is going on here?

  • @gabrielmedina488
    @gabrielmedina488 3 месяца назад

    More terminal tooling and indication would be great. I feel like we should have better tooling for all these new concepts, specially during runtime.

  • @carlosagsmendes
    @carlosagsmendes 4 месяца назад +3

    Very interesting! Two questions come to mind about partial pre-rendering. #1 How do we deal with nounces? #2 If we want to pre-render pages that are not accessible to all users, is there a hook to run a security check before serving the page? Thank you

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      #2 Yep, just use cookies(). Or use a middleware.
      Btw I wonder, if I use cookies() only in a middleware, will it prevent page to be static cached?

    • @carlosagsmendes
      @carlosagsmendes 4 месяца назад

      Thank you. Does it have middleware per route? Can we make rest requests from the API?

    • @AmirLatypov
      @AmirLatypov 4 месяца назад

      @@carlosagsmendes middleware applies for all routes, but you can filter it depends on url: request.nextUrl.pathname
      Don't know how the cache will work with middlewares though

  • @nickdecoursin
    @nickdecoursin Месяц назад

    Thanks

  • @drewhjava
    @drewhjava 4 месяца назад +36

    "What if you have a fetch, but you don't want it cached?" Do you mean like 98% of all use cases people would use Next for?

    • @IvanKleshnin
      @IvanKleshnin 4 месяца назад

      Nice one :)

    • @user-yf3ec9ml1j
      @user-yf3ec9ml1j 4 месяца назад +2

      You can pass cache: 'no-store' to fetch, to opt out the default behavior

    • @mariossimou2635
      @mariossimou2635 4 месяца назад +1

      Or set revalidate to 0, which also disables caching

    • @BBxx19
      @BBxx19 4 месяца назад

      @@user-yf3ec9ml1jyes but it shouldn’t be the default behavior. Caching is a very specific and intentional action and not a general thing. The comparison with the pages directory is also not ideal since you explicitly had to tell what is static and what is dynamic data before at one specific place. The same concept can’t just be transferred to the App directory. It just doesn’t work out if too much 🪄 magic is involved and you first need to explain your users why things behave the way they do. It should be self explanatory.

    • @zombiefacesupreme
      @zombiefacesupreme 4 месяца назад +10

      Do you guys really think that they don't know how to opt out?
      The point is that caching is never expected to be opt-out. For the last 30 years of the web, it's always been opt-in. It's not surprising that this has been a huge point of contention.

  • @rudolfkovalyov184
    @rudolfkovalyov184 4 месяца назад

    How to properly handle cache for horizontal scale the app ?

  • @marvy-ye5hu
    @marvy-ye5hu 4 месяца назад +2

    we're going back to pages router with this one 🔥🔥🔥

  • @nicolasguillenc
    @nicolasguillenc Месяц назад

    At 12:32 isn't it a problem that we would need to keep track of every tag that needs to be revalidated when data changes? I have not finished the video so maybe you will address this but it doesn't seem intuitive.

  • @marcintichoniuk6554
    @marcintichoniuk6554 3 месяца назад

    I wish you make another film deeply explaining foundations of caching - for both static and dynamic routes. We have 4 different cache parts (1 for client and 3 for server) and I think Router Cache (client side) is the most frustrating one. It's easy to manually reload the page, everything works fine but no one uses the internet like that and for me Router Cache causing problems when navigating through different routes.

  • @baslecout4734
    @baslecout4734 6 дней назад

    Hello, unstable_cache and revalidateTag works really well with locally built and start project put on prod on vercel I can;t figure out how to revalidate the cache other than by pressing "cache purge" in vercel settings, did anyone experienced the same?

  • @wfl-junior
    @wfl-junior 4 месяца назад +1

    At the end there is a flash from 5d ago to 7d ago close to the article date

  • @darelbvcr687
    @darelbvcr687 4 месяца назад

    do weekly videos on intermediate/advanced topics that are most common use cases in next 13/14

  • @griffadev
    @griffadev 4 месяца назад +1

    Stable app router caching, brushing over all the unstable APIs

  • @mukleshossen751
    @mukleshossen751 Месяц назад

    I am using unstable_cache method in my for query data and I am facing a problem here if i change something in database it's doesn't refeclt in my app although I hard refresh with empty cache it's doesn't reflect into the app. but it's working in development environment. anyone facing this problem??
    can you please tell me how resolve the problem??

  • @paolobooker4163
    @paolobooker4163 4 месяца назад

    If you use a router to redirect to another route from a client function, the revalidateTag and revalidatePath do not work. It is really annoying not being able to disable the cache.

  • @misikir
    @misikir 4 месяца назад +1

    Lee. Is caching worth for small to medium project?

    • @27sosite73
      @27sosite73 4 месяца назад

      for any size project that needs cashing

  • @kasper369
    @kasper369 4 месяца назад

    What might be the best way to do Island Architecture in Next.js ?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      App Router is somewhat similar to this idea. Your client components are "islands of interactivity" and your server components can stay server-only.

  • @danielcraciun456
    @danielcraciun456 4 месяца назад

    Is it possible to control caching better when using stripe webhooks?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +1

      Do you want to cache a webhook? I would think maybe no.

  • @DVSK1
    @DVSK1 4 месяца назад +1

    revalidateTag looks promising, but still has a confusing invocation signature, should i create a "tag" and re-use later?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      You add tags onto your fetches, so the tag is part of the cache key to invalidate.

    • @DVSK1
      @DVSK1 4 месяца назад

      In the case of fetches directly with server actions, how do I define a tag to revalidate later?

  • @JShunk
    @JShunk Месяц назад +2

    If I have a website that can pull and push data from a MongoDB server and another separate website that just pulls the data from the server how do I get the second website to update during production and know that new data has been added? It works great on a development server cause there is not caching but my only option right now is to rebuild and push the production app everytime the database is modified to get the most up to date information because without it I can see it just hits nextjs-cache that never updates. It is so frustruitng cause there is not way to even add a way to refresh the cache every hour or something.

    • @JShunk
      @JShunk Месяц назад +1

      Here is what the API looks like atm:
      export const GET = async (req: Request, res: NextResponse) => {
      try {
      await connectDB();
      const post = await prisma.post.findMany();
      return NextResponse.json({message: "Data fetched successfully", post}, {status: 200})
      } catch (err) {
      return NextResponse.json({message: "Error fetching data", err}, {status: 500})
      } finally{
      await disconnectDB();
      }
      };

  • @facundopellicer7514
    @facundopellicer7514 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video! I personally find the Next.js documentation about the caching system to be well explained.
    Do you think we can use useOptimistic and useFormState in production despite they are in cannary version?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад +1

      These are safe to use - the canary channel is ready for frameworks to adopt! Next.js has it's own semver on top of this.

    • @facundopellicer7514
      @facundopellicer7514 4 месяца назад

      @@leerob great, thank you so much for your response!

  • @shivashukla7894
    @shivashukla7894 9 дней назад

    why I am unable to see chache HIT or skip. I have added this in next config
    logging: {
    fetches: {
    fullUrl: true,
    }
    }

  • @swtmply
    @swtmply 4 месяца назад

    Hello Lee, why I can't revalidate auth() from next-auth normally with revalidatePath

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      What is auth() here? NextAuth?

    • @swtmply
      @swtmply 4 месяца назад

      ​@@leerob ah yes with next-auth

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      @@swtmply auth won't be cached since it's reading cookies!

  • @rdmPerson
    @rdmPerson 4 месяца назад

    Is there any configuration for next.config to console.log the page size that's sent to user? 6:30

    • @rdmPerson
      @rdmPerson 4 месяца назад

      I know I can get it from Inspect but I am lazy

  • @ashdaily7640
    @ashdaily7640 4 месяца назад

    How does unstable caching work? As far as I understand, React.cache memoizes a function for a single request. Does unstable_cache memoizes in the server as well as cache the result for future requests?

    • @leerob
      @leerob 4 месяца назад

      Yeah, the Next.js cache is also reusing that for future requests :)

    • @ashdaily7640
      @ashdaily7640 4 месяца назад

      @@leerob does NextJS make use of redis to do this?