How can you call someone overrated and you’ve never listened to any of his albums? Like I agree that he’s overhyped and his behavior is unacceptable but you can’t deny that Frank’s music is brilliant. People ride with him through the drama because the two albums he’s made are THAT good.
He doesn’t drop a lot of music but he’s far from overrated. Bro dropped classic albums, his music is quality, the only argument that could be made is he doesn’t drop enough music
@@evereadyconrad-ls5ug don't know that you would compare the two. They aren't in the same lanes at all. That's like co paring music soulchild to Nas. Different lanes, but I get where you are going with this. Lol
He is overrated fans have just allowed him to get away with it in hopes of new music. This isnt the 90s. If you not releasing music at least every 2-3 years you dont gaf about your fans.
I wonder when Frank Ocean fans gonna learn he don’t give af about them. People think Frank Ocean is such a musical genius but in reality dude has only 2 albums and 1 mixtape. His last album was 7 YEARS ago. So they can only judge him by his old work. Can’t say he’s “the man” with that little of work.
Kind of like cardi b.....hasn't dropped a album at all in 5 years. Having kids dhoukdnt be an excuse ........even Beyonce dropped a new album and Tour coming soon 2023 🐝🐝🐝
@@pareeshaslaughter6798 artists don't owe fans anything music wise what frank did was fucked up because people paid for a service and didn't receive it
Idk the thing about that is that it’s always up to the fans, the fans love his music so much that festivals will still give him Superstar Status & idk what his solo tour (if) will look like but I wouldn’t be surprised if he can pack out arenas still. Amount of music for superstar status is relative, so that speaks more to the distance what he has put out goes.
My big issue with Frank is that he CLEARLY doesn’t want to perform, so he needs to stop booking shows! Especially HUGE festivals like Coachella. He has a history of cancelling shows. If you don’t want to perform, don’t! He was also the only headliner without merch at the festival. Like he literally is like “here fans, here is NOTHING!” That is what makes him an asshole to me.
I also think there’s a chance Frank thought most of the crowd was there for him so he could just do whatever on stage and people would eat it up. Overall I think his profile of being mysterious/non-communicative with fans lowkey backfired bc when we don’t see you in 7 years and you finally make an appearance, we wanna see you at your best.
Frank is far from overrated. The allure w frank comes from the fact that his 3 albums are pretty much the soundtrack to a certain generation’s summer. I’m 26 now and girls been going crazy for frank since I was 14. Yes his releases are spotty but the dude makes ppl feel a way w his music and that’s just something everyone can’t do, whether you think they’re overrated or not. Frank just not out here dropping every day on RUclips like NBA young boy.
frank's whole catalogue is about his personal life and i think he needs alot of time to go through these experiences to then look back at them with the gift of hindsight in the future and THEN make music about it
@@bigdre912 his last album was in 2016 that’s 7 years ago and that album had mix reviews he hasn’t dropped since then then he disrespected his fans with that BS set that should’ve been perfect or atleast enjoyable for fans that’s been waiting for you to do anything for 7 years he just has a loyal fan base outside of that he would just be another one hit wonder which he pretty much is and I love frank ocean been a fan after discovering OF
Kawhi is more life Daft Punk, GREAT but just choose his spot when he can go crazy (he should retire, us clippers fans are tired) Frank Ocean is more like Blake Griffin.
The relationship between frank and his fans is one sided. There is nothing wrong with that. We are his fans for a reason. As an artist he is in charge and sets his own pace because he is his own person. The relationship with his music is the most intimate thing and we have access to musical form of his experience. When we listen to it, we may feel we know him as a person yet he doesn’t know you or me intimately. We are just strangers who enjoy his work. He doesn’t owe us his labor. We don’t owe him attention and praise, it’s all freely given. He doesn’t do it for the fame, he does it for the art. He’s simple and I personally submit to the pace he sets and enjoy anything he can give us.
It’s an amazing experimental album, sounds like nothing else you’ve ever heard, has some of the best songs of the last decade in Nights, White Ferrari, and Self Control, has some songs delving into really deep existential questions like Siegfried, has great Summer hits like Pink + White, great writing throughout, is a reflection of a failed relationship Frank had without a messy breakup with him still loving the partner he separated from with a great beginning and ending with Ivy where he wishes he was still in the relationship and Godspeed where he finally let’s go with parts of the album where he moves back to times when he was younger at the start of that romance on Self Control for example. The only critiques I’d have of it is the voice notes don’t add much tbh
Frank is NOT A RAPPER. He’s not going into the booth like JuiceWrld and spitting verses back to back. When certain artists make music, especially R&B or Soul, they are pouring themselves into each track. They have a finite amount of energy expenditure and all are different. Y’all are forgetting good music last forever it doesn’t matter how often it comes around. It can replay
Frank Ocean is an incredible artist, who makes amazing music and has wonderful potential. But outside of his music, Ice hit the marker dead-on with him. Fans like Parks, Melissa, and to less degree Joe. Have put this dude on this mega pedestal and put him in the same class as Prince, Michael Jackson, Beyonce, and Mariah Carey. He might have three classic projects. But that doesn't give him impunity to behave like an unprofessional diva, who doesn't give two shits about his fans.
I remember seeing Micheal perform from a chair because of an actual leg injury and he still tried his best to put on a show. And that was yeaaars into his career. Frank ain’t no where near where Micheal was or is so he really has 0 right to behave the way he does. His fans just need to stop excusing shit.
@@nowonprzn7442 Right, Beyoncé also performed pregnant several times or after falling down a flight of stairs and went back into the routine, kept singing with a fan caught in her hair, her ear bleeding and recently she was limping after a foot surgery in Dubai earlier this year and still killed it to the point that her vocal prowesses went viral and turned into a challenge on Tiktok. Frank Ocean is nobody's Beyoncé or MJ to be doing all dat. He needs to humble himself and sit tf down point blank
The array of artists you compare him to emerged in a different era, with its own unique expectations. As a generation shaped by the internet, we're overwhelmed with a massive influx of content, information, and images. Our minds, hooked on clickbait and the constant chase for dopamine-driven rewards, struggle when faced with the rare or unattainable. It's crucial for artists and their work to challenge our expectations, especially those related to instant gratification and the excessive nature of capitalism. I'd certainly enjoy hearing new music from Frank, but at the same time, I'm aware I don't necessarily need more things to consume. The internet has, in a way, made everyone feel a bit more entitled.
I call what Mr. ocean is doing The Sade Complex. Difference is, Queen Adu is consistently consistent with the product and performances and these other artist are not, Ms. Hill included.
He’s wrong but what he’s done up to this point is legendary. I hope he gets the mental help he needs and doesn’t worry about an album over his sanity. Blond(e) is a Classic ✨ TPAB is also a Classic ✨ I respect a differing opinion that’s within reason👌🏾
Frank has dropped good music but y'all are too quick to call him a legend. The word 'legend' gets used so much nowadays it's pretty much lost it's meaning for a lot of modern artists.
That's how they maintain the mystique. The more music they release, the more chances that they might finally miss. Drop 1 classic album, 1 classic mixtape, a loosey track every now & then and you can remain legendary status pretty much forever. People still putting 3 Stacks in their top 5 and this man has never even released a SOLO rap album...
I wouldn't compare Bryson with Frank. Bryson has released projects more consistently and at least features on a good amount of songs. Frank goes into hiding.
@@CreekCityDave that doesn’t make you legendary having 1 great mixtape, 1 great album and a above average album…..y’all boosted his head up by saying things like he’s a legend before he earned it that’s why he don’t be worried about you or his other fans cause y’all will defend him 20 years from now if he doesn’t drop ever again
I’m so glad that I’m a Weeknd stan. That’s a man that cares about his art, frequently drops quality music, is a great live performer and most importantly cares about his fans. A lot of these artists don’t care about the art and that’s unfortunate to their fans
Bro really? The weeknd is trash. He don’t have an original thought in his head. Everything is a recycled hit, poor MJ imitation. He can’t sing live or without autotune
@@michaelmentality Just because he doesn’t drop often doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about the art. His care shows by the quality of his work when it is released.
His projects are cool, but the Lonny Breaux Collection is what made me a fan years ago. It was basically 50+ reference tracks (i think leaked) that were all 🔥. Some were John Legend, Brandy, etc songs.
Ice doesn't listen to that type of music so he can't speak on it. Frank Ocean is a genius, I just don't think he cares about his fan base. Blonde is an AMAZING album.
@@dormzy478 lol naw don’t count I mean a complete body of work. Those singles are good his moon river rendition is still my fav track by him. But we need a whole project
Definitely the most overrated r&b artist of the last 20 years. If he didn't come out, he'd still be an underground artist (perhaps even a better artist as a result).
Lmao I’ve been had this opinion since channel orange. Worked a prominent rap media outlet and got flames for it every time I said it. Funny how the truth always wins
@@NwGSuBZeRo yes some of our favorite entertainers and media personalities are overrated. A lot of them have done shady business and some even did crypto scams too. Did I stop watching or being entertained? Nope
Not a fan of Frank (pause) but he’s not a scammer. He took advantage of the system that’s been using artists. It’s cool when they do it?!. He’s a unicorn 🦄
He lost his lil bro. Nobody can blame him for being flaky afterwards. Everybody deals with loss their own way. Besides, artists don't owe art to anybody. As fans we're used to bi-yearly releases from most artists but everybody got their own approach and that has to be respected.
🤣you gotta respect his artistry but he doesn’t respect you as a fan…..frank cares nothing about his loyal fan base which is a problem because he can literally play in y’all face like he did at Coachella and say what he wants because he knows he’s still loved by y’all and y’all will buy anything he drops
yes they can blame him people paid thier hard earned money to see u live if u didnt fully feel like doing it u shouldnt have accepted the spot in the first place, but he did accept along with the money that came with it, his brother passing sucks but that dont excuse shit like this.
The fact is, hip hop and r&b concert going of today has encouraged a culture where artist don't give much by way of performances. Bunch of people on stage shouting into a mic over the full record.... Stopping every 30 seconds.... Literally making the crowd perform ... Then walk off stage and take the money..... I can't remember the last time I've seen Drake actually DO a show... He just appears, 30 secs each song then walks off and we accept that.... Once I saw that trend that was me done at concerts...
To find out Frank was born with Mercury in Gatorade explains everything !😅😂🤣Mercury is in Gatorade right now too so it’s basically what Joe says. Scorpio Sun, with Mercury in Scorpio, Gatorade. He’s legit Mercurial and good at what he does, good or bad!😉🤣
How he get called a scammer when the industry been getting over you rappers for decades. Just face it. He did what many couldn’t do. He found a loophole and got through. The nigga smart.
At this point, if frank oceans next album isn't number 1 across the board then he will definitely be canceled 😂. People are tired of this shit behavior from him.
I like this assisted living format of the Boe Judden show. - Frank Ocean is mercurial. "Use it in a sentence." She just did, Einstein. But she doesnt know that the words means, just like you dont.
They arguing bout is it a classic. Not is it if it’s trash but a classic. Dude said he got 2 out of 3 “classics” not good or trash but classics … but he overrated? 😂
@@thatwilightzone4760 idgaf if it was 20 years ago …. It still happened 🤣🤣 the core fans are still listening … ofc we want a new album but u drop classics u get a pass
He’s definitely not overrated but I understand every standpoint debated here, but what i dont think enough people think about is the loss of his brother. Coachella seemed like it was too soon & when i saw he was headlining i knew it was too good to be true.
Ik there’s no timeline on how grief but his brother died 3 years ago , I’m not saying he should be over it but he should’ve known how he’s gonna be feeling before he signed on to perform in the first place. That’s kinda bullshit imo
Ice Has Said So Many Times That He’s Not The R&B Dude So I’on Even Know Why He Spoke So Much On This Topic. He Shitting On “Blonde” And I’m Sitting Here Wondering If He Even Listened To It, Lol. Cuz It IS A Phenomenal Album. Frank’s Projects Have All Been MasterPieces So Miss Me Bro, Lol.
@@SunniMerlot Basically, Would You Take Advice/Opinions From SomeOne On A Subject They've Stated That They Don't Really Fuck With? To Say You Don't Like The Album Is One Thing But To Say It's Not Good...From His Biased Ears Is...Irresponsible, Lol. Like, I'm Not The Biggest Beyonce Fan But I Can't Sit Here And Front Like Her Albums Aren't Fire. And "Not Loving All R&B" Isn't An Accurate Depiction Of How Ice Has Presented HimSelf. Multiple Times He's Used The Phrases "I'm Not The R&B Guy," "This Ain't For Me," I Hear It But I Don't Get It," "Gimme That EST Gee, That's My Shit," Etc.
@@IAmGeecho yeah because I know he leads with logic. He doesn’t hate r&b he just isn’t always playing it like a Joe for example. You taking it to an extreme.
@@SunniMerlot I Don't Think He Hates R&B, It's Just Not A Genre He Naturally Leans To/Appreciates As Much As Rap. Don't Think I'm Taking It To An Extreme But We Can Agree To Disagree.
@@akselbierman6288 when was the last time we have heard from D tho, like even SEEN him? When has he ever been thought to be a scammer? When has his audience even felt shorted. ATP, he's retired.
Have not heard one argument for why he’s overrated …just because YALL don’t like it doesn’t mean is overrated. Blonde, Channel Orange, and Nostalgia, Ultra are bonafide classics ….Endless is underrated. He’s not a scammer for getting out of a bad situation, blame the industry not him. Yes it was a dick move but honestly who cares about Coachella fans.
I hear about him more than I hear him so I can't even judge. I WILL say that a lot of praise before I hear or see something normally brings up a red flag for me.
@@cenatraa I have to listen for myself. No offense, but the word genius is thrown around a lot. This channel is Ironically actually only one where I've seen something negative said about him but I just chalked that up to Joe and his jokes. I'll definitely listen
@@cenatraa I was trying to say it respectfully. Besides getting the 20 million, what else is genius about him? Can you explain why he's considered a genius before I listen? I'm not trying to argue. I want to understand
Love frank, his music got me through some tough times many times! However, i don't understand how a guy with this much pure talent keeps his music from us. You know he has songs, but he aint released anything forever and its getting old.
I don’t trust anything any of the dudes in the room say because they all look at joe while they speak like they are his son. Just trying to say something shocking. Dumb takes.
Abel dont treat his fans like this Taylor dont treat her fans like this Imagine Beyoncé pulling this on her fans?! Does Frank understand how reciprocity works?😅😂
If you don’t think Frank has a discography of classics, then I don’t even wanna talk to you. Frank has only ever dropped classics, that’s where all conversations about Frank should start
@@quaquq96 One solo album where she barely raps yet it's seen as the holy grail of hip hop. Then of course all the canceled or missed shows, shows up late and does 20 minutes, and doesn't perform the songs the way we remembered them. She's not trash but no.
@@danterose210 AND it came out, and this is proven, that she had like a zillion creators who were responsible for her album's greatness and she didn't give them credit because she wanted to be "the genius" singer/songwriter from the Fugees.
"Frank Ocean gave us a couple a joints and they treat him like Prince" this sums up my thoughts on Frank Ocean so well lmao
Saaaame. Like don’t get me wrong the nigga talented got a few songs i fw but why they really be tryna make this nigga sound like he the next Micheal.
Lmao why u respect Budden so much? Pump it up was the corniest song yet its what everyone knows.
@@waysuno8506 we’re talking about Joe budden as a podcaster, not artist. His opinion seems to reflect what a lot of people think.
The majority of people can’t even write a sentence.
Nah. He's earned his fan base.
I’m a Frank Ocean fan. But I admit we are the ones who created this ego that frank has.
That’s his fault. Nobody told him to take fame to the head & act like a jackass to people who line his pockets.
@@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat yeah but you can argue that his fans are enablers
@@jeremybrown9611 you can but its a terrible argument. What where his fans meant to turn their back on him and force him to drop?
Don’t blame yourself, it’s on him. There are people who are loved by fans and still serves
Why are you talking like you know him personally. Ego? Didn’t his little brother die?
How can you call someone overrated and you’ve never listened to any of his albums? Like I agree that he’s overhyped and his behavior is unacceptable but you can’t deny that Frank’s music is brilliant. People ride with him through the drama because the two albums he’s made are THAT good.
The fans when he scammed his label and dropped blonde: 😍
The fans when he scams them: 👿
LOL
He doesn’t drop a lot of music but he’s far from overrated. Bro dropped classic albums, his music is quality, the only argument that could be made is he doesn’t drop enough music
And as a musician Joe Budden sucks compared to Frank ocean..
Facts can we stop turning our backs on his amazing music just cuz he’s a lame scammer of his fans
@@evereadyconrad-ls5ug don't know that you would compare the two. They aren't in the same lanes at all. That's like co paring music soulchild to Nas. Different lanes, but I get where you are going with this. Lol
He’s overrated
He is overrated fans have just allowed him to get away with it in hopes of new music. This isnt the 90s. If you not releasing music at least every 2-3 years you dont gaf about your fans.
Joe Budden calling someone a scammer is comical
How?
@@jonestv3934 theres alot to critque joe for but NOT scamming he keep it real
“They paying me I should be paying them momma honest to God”
- Frank Ocean
“I’mmmm on mamaaa I’m on… They think ima God, I’m not a Gaaaad”
@@rahii like how can they say Blonde is not a classic 😭
@@jehwhite1582 they don’t understand. They not from our world 🤷🏽♀️
Melissa took Ice's "Frank is overrated" stance personally lmao, she was trying to debunk that shit the whole clip
Cuz Ice be tripping sometimes. How can someone be overrated with three classic albums.
@@mwgta2 I’m Ngl, blond didn’t really resonate with me either. I’ll give him 2.
@@grimepoint3030 Just because you eat McDonald’s from time to time doesn’t mean you can’t say the Steakhouse is overpriced.
@@mwgta2 no he doesn't lmao he has MAYBE 2 and that's subjective in my opinion he only has one
Because Mel is Right, saying he's overrated is ridiculous man had three classic albums
I wonder when Frank Ocean fans gonna learn he don’t give af about them. People think Frank Ocean is such a musical genius but in reality dude has only 2 albums and 1 mixtape. His last album was 7 YEARS ago. So they can only judge him by his old work. Can’t say he’s “the man” with that little of work.
He WoUlD DrOp MoRe iF He CaRed aBoUt HiS FaNs. Shut up
As a major Frank Ocean fan. I agree 💯💯💯💯. Fans like Parks and Melissa are a perfect example of why he can get this foolishness off
Kind of like cardi b.....hasn't dropped a album at all in 5 years. Having kids dhoukdnt be an excuse ........even Beyonce dropped a new album and Tour coming soon 2023 🐝🐝🐝
neither did Tupac yet he is considered a legend. You can't erase the Impact Frank Ocean had and the fact he is revered
@@pareeshaslaughter6798 artists don't owe fans anything music wise
what frank did was fucked up because people paid for a service and didn't receive it
Superstar talent but he hasn’t given us enough for superstar status.
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Idk the thing about that is that it’s always up to the fans, the fans love his music so much that festivals will still give him Superstar Status & idk what his solo tour (if) will look like but I wouldn’t be surprised if he can pack out arenas still. Amount of music for superstar status is relative, so that speaks more to the distance what he has put out goes.
There it is! Perfectly explained.
Good thing he’s not superstar status that would negatively effect the music
@@AdrenolinFlux we don’t even get music lol
love frank but what he did was foul😭
and frank is only on this pedestal due to him having such a great but small catalogue and his absence
Same as 3staxx
@@williamrichardson57 yup
@@williamrichardson57 now hold up 🤣 stacks gave us waaayyyyy more music than buddy 🤣 don’t do him like that
@@emperorgreene2440 man gave us 1 solo album lol the rest are collaborative, at least frank gave us 3 solo lol they the same to me and I love 3k 😂
@@emperorgreene2440 How many Andre 3k albums are there
My big issue with Frank is that he CLEARLY doesn’t want to perform, so he needs to stop booking shows! Especially HUGE festivals like Coachella. He has a history of cancelling shows. If you don’t want to perform, don’t! He was also the only headliner without merch at the festival. Like he literally is like “here fans, here is NOTHING!” That is what makes him an asshole to me.
he provided a beautiful performance. he doesn't care for selling merchandise. its all about the art and not the entertainment
get a life
Frank really thinks he's the Ocean 😅
😂😂😂😂😂Ikr?! That’s a fact fr!!
Lol a good one
😭😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂
I also think there’s a chance Frank thought most of the crowd was there for him so he could just do whatever on stage and people would eat it up. Overall I think his profile of being mysterious/non-communicative with fans lowkey backfired bc when we don’t see you in 7 years and you finally make an appearance, we wanna see you at your best.
After I googled it, Mercurial is a very accurate way to describe Frank Ocean 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂'you are out of your blond mind'😂😂😂😂😂'you can't say that to a white man '
Mercurial means moody! Subjected to unpredictable mood swings! You guys are hilarious.
You sound mad maclarical brah
Frank is far from overrated. The allure w frank comes from the fact that his 3 albums are pretty much the soundtrack to a certain generation’s summer. I’m 26 now and girls been going crazy for frank since I was 14. Yes his releases are spotty but the dude makes ppl feel a way w his music and that’s just something everyone can’t do, whether you think they’re overrated or not. Frank just not out here dropping every day on RUclips like NBA young boy.
frank's whole catalogue is about his personal life and i think he needs alot of time to go through these experiences to then look back at them with the gift of hindsight in the future and THEN make music about it
@@cenatraa I 1000 percent agree. Hard for folks to accept that tho when artists are dropping weekly/monthly even daily
he is good but highly overated.
@@Yoxhio_...how?
@@bigdre912 his last album was in 2016 that’s 7 years ago and that album had mix reviews he hasn’t dropped since then then he disrespected his fans with that BS set that should’ve been perfect or atleast enjoyable for fans that’s been waiting for you to do anything for 7 years he just has a loyal fan base outside of that he would just be another one hit wonder which he pretty much is and I love frank ocean been a fan after discovering OF
Blonde is fucking incredible I don’t see how they didn’t like that album. Too much heat & beat switches on songs
Prolly heard the first couple minutes of Nikes and was like nope lol. But even Nikes had an incredible switch.
I think Budden didn’t like it cuz he said there were no drums or something like that
Just not everyone’s style. Chanel orange was undeniable. Blonde definitely has love it or hate it vibes.
Frank acts this way because people put him on this pedestal. Overrated Kawhi leonard of music
frank has been doing whatever he wants from the start that def jam finesse was a perfect example
Kawhi is more life Daft Punk, GREAT but just choose his spot when he can go crazy (he should retire, us clippers fans are tired)
Frank Ocean is more like Blake Griffin.
The relationship between frank and his fans is one sided. There is nothing wrong with that. We are his fans for a reason. As an artist he is in charge and sets his own pace because he is his own person. The relationship with his music is the most intimate thing and we have access to musical form of his experience. When we listen to it, we may feel we know him as a person yet he doesn’t know you or me intimately. We are just strangers who enjoy his work. He doesn’t owe us his labor. We don’t owe him attention and praise, it’s all freely given. He doesn’t do it for the fame, he does it for the art. He’s simple and I personally submit to the pace he sets and enjoy anything he can give us.
I cry laughing whenever Flip does an iso 😂😂😂
Flip is really nice 😂😂😂
🤣😭bro thought he got away wit that
People using his brother's death as an excuse. People's moms die and they get a week off work and gotta come back. Stfu.
Blonde has got to be the most overrated album of the past 2 decades. Everyone singing it’s praises but can never articulate what they liked about it.
It’s an amazing experimental album, sounds like nothing else you’ve ever heard, has some of the best songs of the last decade in Nights, White Ferrari, and Self Control, has some songs delving into really deep existential questions like Siegfried, has great Summer hits like Pink + White, great writing throughout, is a reflection of a failed relationship Frank had without a messy breakup with him still loving the partner he separated from with a great beginning and ending with Ivy where he wishes he was still in the relationship and Godspeed where he finally let’s go with parts of the album where he moves back to times when he was younger at the start of that romance on Self Control for example. The only critiques I’d have of it is the voice notes don’t add much tbh
Huh??? You’re out of your mind, the album is everything as advertised
Frank is NOT A RAPPER. He’s not going into the booth like JuiceWrld and spitting verses back to back. When certain artists make music, especially R&B or Soul, they are pouring themselves into each track. They have a finite amount of energy expenditure and all are different. Y’all are forgetting good music last forever it doesn’t matter how often it comes around. It can replay
Flip solo’s camera takes be hilarious 😂😂 he going off on Frank
Frank Ocean is an incredible artist, who makes amazing music and has wonderful potential. But outside of his music, Ice hit the marker dead-on with him. Fans like Parks, Melissa, and to less degree Joe. Have put this dude on this mega pedestal and put him in the same class as Prince, Michael Jackson, Beyonce, and Mariah Carey. He might have three classic projects. But that doesn't give him impunity to behave like an unprofessional diva, who doesn't give two shits about his fans.
Say it louder for the delusionnal Frank stans in the back and I love his music
I remember seeing Micheal perform from a chair because of an actual leg injury and he still tried his best to put on a show. And that was yeaaars into his career. Frank ain’t no where near where Micheal was or is so he really has 0 right to behave the way he does. His fans just need to stop excusing shit.
@@nowonprzn7442 Right, Beyoncé also performed pregnant several times or after falling down a flight of stairs and went back into the routine, kept singing with a fan caught in her hair, her ear bleeding and recently she was limping after a foot surgery in Dubai earlier this year and still killed it to the point that her vocal prowesses went viral and turned into a challenge on Tiktok. Frank Ocean is nobody's Beyoncé or MJ to be doing all dat. He needs to humble himself and sit tf down point blank
The array of artists you compare him to emerged in a different era, with its own unique expectations. As a generation shaped by the internet, we're overwhelmed with a massive influx of content, information, and images. Our minds, hooked on clickbait and the constant chase for dopamine-driven rewards, struggle when faced with the rare or unattainable. It's crucial for artists and their work to challenge our expectations, especially those related to instant gratification and the excessive nature of capitalism. I'd certainly enjoy hearing new music from Frank, but at the same time, I'm aware I don't necessarily need more things to consume. The internet has, in a way, made everyone feel a bit more entitled.
I call what Mr. ocean is doing The Sade Complex. Difference is, Queen Adu is consistently consistent with the product and performances and these other artist are not, Ms. Hill included.
Miguel is better than Frank , Frank just got hyped up after he came out the closet
I’m a huge Frank o fan btw. Head a huge inspo to but I’m just being real
He’s wrong but what he’s done up to this point is legendary. I hope he gets the mental help he needs and doesn’t worry about an album over his sanity.
Blond(e) is a Classic ✨
TPAB is also a Classic ✨
I respect a differing opinion that’s within reason👌🏾
Blonde definitely a classic💥
Frank has dropped good music but y'all are too quick to call him a legend. The word 'legend' gets used so much nowadays it's pretty much lost it's meaning for a lot of modern artists.
@@kaykier Never called him a legend but he’s for sure done legendary stuff that’ll add to him being considered one later down the line.
@@jordanclarke6450 Like what? Genuinely. If anyone would be looked at as a legend from the OF group in the future, it'd be Tyler before Frank.
A hologram Will Smith app that smack people funny af 😂😂
I been saying frank overrated it's facts
No it isn’t 😂
@@barry4649it’s facts
He has one great song. White Ferrari, extremely overrated
@@colinedelman6392 you clearly never listened to Frank Oceans music, the guy has so many great songs
@@colinedelman6392 😂 nigga you named one song of his recent album nigga stick to YoungBoy
True! Bryson Tiller and frank Ocean are a couple of artists that NEVER release music and it pisses me off because they are so talented
Yea bryson so dope
Bryson material can stand thru the gaps he drop music
That's how they maintain the mystique. The more music they release, the more chances that they might finally miss. Drop 1 classic album, 1 classic mixtape, a loosey track every now & then and you can remain legendary status pretty much forever. People still putting 3 Stacks in their top 5 and this man has never even released a SOLO rap album...
I wouldn't compare Bryson with Frank. Bryson has released projects more consistently and at least features on a good amount of songs. Frank goes into hiding.
@@CreekCityDave that doesn’t make you legendary having 1 great mixtape, 1 great album and a above average album…..y’all boosted his head up by saying things like he’s a legend before he earned it that’s why he don’t be worried about you or his other fans cause y’all will defend him 20 years from now if he doesn’t drop ever again
I’m so glad that I’m a Weeknd stan. That’s a man that cares about his art, frequently drops quality music, is a great live performer and most importantly cares about his fans. A lot of these artists don’t care about the art and that’s unfortunate to their fans
Bro really? The weeknd is trash. He don’t have an original thought in his head. Everything is a recycled hit, poor MJ imitation. He can’t sing live or without autotune
Frank’s albums makes it evident that he cares about the art
@@vibe9155 he rarely drops albums and he’s a weak performer
@@michaelmentality Just because he doesn’t drop often doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about the art. His care shows by the quality of his work when it is released.
Weeknd is a fucking sell out..
His projects are cool, but the Lonny Breaux Collection is what made me a fan years ago. It was basically 50+ reference tracks (i think leaked) that were all 🔥. Some were John Legend, Brandy, etc songs.
I’ll check it out thanks
@@alternativefacts6779 👌🏾
That collection was trash
Acura ingegurl is what made me a fan back in the day. Not into him as much as his Stan’s though.
Ice doesn't listen to that type of music so he can't speak on it. Frank Ocean is a genius, I just don't think he cares about his fan base. Blonde is an AMAZING album.
if he doesn't care about his fanbase, then why perform at all randomly for an audience of fans? Just stay your ass home.
Frank Ocean isn't overrated, he just doesn't drop that much.
Much? He Dosent drop ever 😂 last album was like 7 years ago! Lol love his music but bruh. Can’t come back fucking up like that
@@andrewcaldwell4343 I just said he doesn't that much. Now if you are talking about this decade he hasn't dropped anything 😂😂
@@andrewcaldwell4343he literally dropped some throwaway singles since Blonde
@@dormzy478 lol naw don’t count I mean a complete body of work. Those singles are good his moon river rendition is still my fav track by him. But we need a whole project
" you ain't mercurial N***a" 😅😅😅. I will be looking for every opportunity to say this for the remainder of 2023
Definitely the most overrated r&b artist of the last 20 years. If he didn't come out, he'd still be an underground artist (perhaps even a better artist as a result).
He came out after already winning a Grammy for Channel Orange
Imagine getting finessed by your favorite music artist and not believe he’s overrated.
Lmao I’ve been had this opinion since channel orange. Worked a prominent rap media outlet and got flames for it every time I said it. Funny how the truth always wins
Blonde is far superior
Budden with his restaurant shoes on 😂
Joe name fit right there too 😂
yet you're here paying his bills 🥴
@@NwGSuBZeRo yes some of our favorite entertainers and media personalities are overrated. A lot of them have done shady business and some even did crypto scams too. Did I stop watching or being entertained? Nope
Frank Ocean is a great artist. There is no argument that can discredit his discography.
Not a fan of Frank (pause) but he’s not a scammer. He took advantage of the system that’s been using artists. It’s cool when they do it?!. He’s a unicorn 🦄
He scams his fans, that’s a scammer
At this point, this is coming at the expense of the fans too. He’s a jackass for that.
@@Nova10245 how?
@@TopShotta2.23 if they paid to see him perform ands he doesn't really...then subs in some DJ set...it might not be scammy but it is scummy.
Why did you pause top shotta 2.23
Frank whole career is based off "mystery" and what he MIGHT do
It’s no mystery to me that he self-sabotages and gives no f____ about his fans, but his fans are goofies.
LOLL
@@gior5526 it's so ugly bro.
He lost his lil bro. Nobody can blame him for being flaky afterwards. Everybody deals with loss their own way. Besides, artists don't owe art to anybody. As fans we're used to bi-yearly releases from most artists but everybody got their own approach and that has to be respected.
He’s a man child. Zero accountability. If he can’t perform, he should never take on another gig ever again.
🤣you gotta respect his artistry but he doesn’t respect you as a fan…..frank cares nothing about his loyal fan base which is a problem because he can literally play in y’all face like he did at Coachella and say what he wants because he knows he’s still loved by y’all and y’all will buy anything he drops
My brother was flaky before the passing his not him
And yet they want us to buy or invest in their projects
yes they can blame him people paid thier hard earned money to see u live if u didnt fully feel like doing it u shouldnt have accepted the spot in the first place, but he did accept along with the money that came with it, his brother passing sucks but that dont excuse shit like this.
Stopped watching after 20 seconds...proceeding to my Frank Ocean playlist
The fact is, hip hop and r&b concert going of today has encouraged a culture where artist don't give much by way of performances. Bunch of people on stage shouting into a mic over the full record.... Stopping every 30 seconds.... Literally making the crowd perform ... Then walk off stage and take the money..... I can't remember the last time I've seen Drake actually DO a show... He just appears, 30 secs each song then walks off and we accept that.... Once I saw that trend that was me done at concerts...
Frank Ocean Is An Artist. He Doesnt Make Music To Entertain The Masses. He Makes Art To Express Himself Musically. I Respect It.
this new generation of "stars" are subpar at best.
"You're out of your blonde might" 😂😂😂😂
To find out Frank was born with Mercury in Gatorade explains everything !😅😂🤣Mercury is in Gatorade right now too so it’s basically what Joe says. Scorpio Sun, with Mercury in Scorpio, Gatorade. He’s legit Mercurial and good at what he does, good or bad!😉🤣
Mercury in Gatorade, I'm dying 😂😂
Bruh
How he get called a scammer when the industry been getting over you rappers for decades. Just face it. He did what many couldn’t do. He found a loophole and got through. The nigga smart.
Frank too young to be a legacy act lol
I love how they shame someone for being well spoken and having an impressive vocabulary. Typical
Damn I really wanted to hear Ice argue his Lauryn hill take 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
At this point, if frank oceans next album isn't number 1 across the board then he will definitely be canceled 😂. People are tired of this shit behavior from him.
I like this dynamic ❤. Great podcast
I like this assisted living format of the Boe Judden show.
- Frank Ocean is mercurial.
"Use it in a sentence."
She just did, Einstein. But she doesnt know that the words means, just like you dont.
Thats what make Joe so good the dynamic
Divas arguing their opinion is the new barbershop talk...🤦🏿🤣😭🤷🏿
They arguing bout is it a classic. Not is it if it’s trash but a classic. Dude said he got 2 out of 3 “classics” not good or trash but classics … but he overrated? 😂
Joe went from looking like Common to now looking like Bun B, look at him closely😭😭😭
Lmfao
Frank is not overrated he just has a ego but he definitely needs to put more music out he starting to be the Andre 3 stacks of rb
its not about the fans vs Frank, its about Frank vs the business
Frank the reason why all these artist are teasing new music and never dropping it lol
Bro made one great album and dipped thinking he’s Prince
Can you blame him for the ego when his nitwit fansput him on that pedestal?
He dropped 2 albums that are in the top 20 albums of last decade
Yea that’s cool but how long ago was that boo?
@@thatwilightzone4760 idgaf if it was 20 years ago …. It still happened 🤣🤣 the core fans are still listening … ofc we want a new album but u drop classics u get a pass
Ice likes Tory lanez and Chris brown but thinks Frank is overrated 😂😂😂😂😂
No taste
Tory and Chris wipe Frank Ocean
@@youngjedi8963 lemme know when they make something as good as Pyramids or Self Control
@@Noirlore Alone at Prom and F.A.M.E. clear Channel Orange and Blonde with ease
@@youngjedi8963 Oh you're delusionnal. Chris Brown ain't got a single classic album and please don't try to say his debut bc no
He’s definitely not overrated but I understand every standpoint debated here, but what i dont think enough people think about is the loss of his brother. Coachella seemed like it was too soon & when i saw he was headlining i knew it was too good to be true.
Ik there’s no timeline on how grief but his brother died 3 years ago , I’m not saying he should be over it but he should’ve known how he’s gonna be feeling before he signed on to perform in the first place. That’s kinda bullshit imo
Syd and the internet got a better catalog than Frank Ocean
Ice Has Said So Many Times That He’s Not The R&B Dude So I’on Even Know Why He Spoke So Much On This Topic. He Shitting On “Blonde” And I’m Sitting Here Wondering If He Even Listened To It, Lol. Cuz It IS A Phenomenal Album. Frank’s Projects Have All Been MasterPieces So Miss Me Bro, Lol.
Not loving all r&b doesn’t mean he doesn’t like it and can’t understand good music. I don’t get this take
@@SunniMerlot Basically, Would You Take Advice/Opinions From SomeOne On A Subject They've Stated That They Don't Really Fuck With? To Say You Don't Like The Album Is One Thing But To Say It's Not Good...From His Biased Ears Is...Irresponsible, Lol. Like, I'm Not The Biggest Beyonce Fan But I Can't Sit Here And Front Like Her Albums Aren't Fire. And "Not Loving All R&B" Isn't An Accurate Depiction Of How Ice Has Presented HimSelf. Multiple Times He's Used The Phrases "I'm Not The R&B Guy," "This Ain't For Me," I Hear It But I Don't Get It," "Gimme That EST Gee, That's My Shit," Etc.
🎯🎯🎯
@@IAmGeecho yeah because I know he leads with logic. He doesn’t hate r&b he just isn’t always playing it like a Joe for example. You taking it to an extreme.
@@SunniMerlot I Don't Think He Hates R&B, It's Just Not A Genre He Naturally Leans To/Appreciates As Much As Rap. Don't Think I'm Taking It To An Extreme But We Can Agree To Disagree.
I'm glad y'all don't agree that he's overrated. He has his talent. If you ask me these guys just wanna hate on him.
I agree with the guy in green……and same can be said about D’Angelo.
Indeed 🤝🏿
That's not even a fair comparison!! Wtf?!
Mf blonde was probably one of the most original pieces of art in our generation. Yall are clueless
Same symptoms: always late, doesn’t deliver new music, overrated skills, diva-like behavior.
@@akselbierman6288 when was the last time we have heard from D tho, like even SEEN him? When has he ever been thought to be a scammer? When has his audience even felt shorted. ATP, he's retired.
Have not heard one argument for why he’s overrated …just because YALL don’t like it doesn’t mean is overrated. Blonde, Channel Orange, and Nostalgia, Ultra are bonafide classics ….Endless is underrated. He’s not a scammer for getting out of a bad situation, blame the industry not him. Yes it was a dick move but honestly who cares about Coachella fans.
Guys....his brother died just a couple years ago at like 16.....give him some fucking grace
Bruh people lose parents and don’t sit out 7 years
People love this excuse. Rest In Peace too his bro
@Slab City News that’s crazy 😂😂
No
I remember when Joe was a big Frank Ocean D RIDER.
I hear about him more than I hear him so I can't even judge. I WILL say that a lot of praise before I hear or see something normally brings up a red flag for me.
he's simply a musical genius but a very small catalogue
@@cenatraa I have to listen for myself. No offense, but the word genius is thrown around a lot. This channel is Ironically actually only one where I've seen something negative said about him but I just chalked that up to Joe and his jokes. I'll definitely listen
@@avace917 the word genius isnt thrown around alot yall just be saying anything
@@cenatraa yes it is, dope beat makers and producers don’t equate to genius.
@@cenatraa I was trying to say it respectfully. Besides getting the 20 million, what else is genius about him? Can you explain why he's considered a genius before I listen? I'm not trying to argue. I want to understand
Frank Ocean has dropped nothing but classic albums. He ran up a 3peat!
Bro…I’ve been saying this same thing for years. Same thing goes for Yachty, Kudi, and many others
Nigga really put frank ocean and Yachty in the same sentence gtfoh
Sounds like Ice ❄ is with Universal 🤣🤣🤣
Love frank, his music got me through some tough times many times! However, i don't understand how a guy with this much pure talent keeps his music from us. You know he has songs, but he aint released anything forever and its getting old.
Saying frank is overrated is wild. That nigga makes timeless music
I don’t trust anything any of the dudes in the room say because they all look at joe while they speak like they are his son. Just trying to say something shocking. Dumb takes.
Yes I knew I had the same observation 😂😂 joe is scaring people or is this a podcast that you can speak freely ❤‼️‼️
Damn why they do da baby like that 😂😂😂😂
0:25 melyssa Ford is using some next level illuminati vocabulary. 🤣 📖 👀
Abel dont treat his fans like this
Taylor dont treat her fans like this
Imagine Beyoncé pulling this on her fans?!
Does Frank understand how reciprocity works?😅😂
Oh the beehive would of slowly declined if we didn't hear anything from her in 4 to 6 years. That's crazy
I'm slow - who the hell is Abel?
@@IrvingTransplant The Weeknd
@@IrvingTransplant The Weeknd lol
I don't know who is the most delusionnal fanbase. Is it the Rihanna fans still waiting on R9 ? Normani fans or Frank Ocean fans ? It's tough question
Parks really didn’t think Frank did anything wrong 😂
You see how passionate the dude in the green was !! He is a hugeeee frank ocean fan !!
Ice buggin blonde is a classic
If you don’t think Frank has a discography of classics, then I don’t even wanna talk to you. Frank has only ever dropped classics, that’s where all conversations about Frank should start
Can't name a single song.
Frank is the fucking GOAT
He can do whatever the fuck he want
I'm with Ice about Ocean and Lauren Hill he was spitting facts. He's been saying this since early Twitter days. This segment was 🔥🔥🔥
What about lauren is overrated?
@@quaquq96 One solo album where she barely raps yet it's seen as the holy grail of hip hop. Then of course all the canceled or missed shows, shows up late and does 20 minutes, and doesn't perform the songs the way we remembered them. She's not trash but no.
@@danterose210 AND it came out, and this is proven, that she had like a zillion creators who were responsible for her album's greatness and she didn't give them credit because she wanted to be "the genius" singer/songwriter from the Fugees.
@@missdee4927 Exactly young lady.
@@danterose210so she isnt overrated.... u just dont like her obviously😂
Dude is over rated 100% Was alright back when i was younger but he makes soft music for the ladies, not really my thing.
I didnt know Frank was still relevant in music!
unpopular opinion: Frank Best Work was Nostalgia, Ultra ...everything else been MID.
Finally someone said it 👏👏
saying blond isn’t a classic is smoking something crazyyy
Tyler need to go get his mans
Tyler Perry??? Or Tyler the creator??😂
Says a panel full of 50yr olds half y’all King Von fans 🤣🤣 STOP
Frank ocean is fire, if you haven’t listened to his music jus say that, pink&white🌍
One great song and it’s white Ferrari. Nigga doesn’t drop nor perform.
@@colinedelman6392 white ferrari is cheeks
Yes his music is fire but that doesn’t give him an excuse to half ass perform those songs
@@Livefastdieyoung33 tripping
@@Jeyapollo 📠