I have to say folks, prior to researching this series I didn't quite grasp just how punishing the Roman campaigns of vengeance were... its stunning. But Arminius and the Germanic tribes did not lay down without a fight and will be delivering their fair share of counterpunches in this bloody brawl.
My favourite thing about Germanicus was his willingness to admit that he didn't always have the answer to every problem and that he'd never expect his soldiers to do something he wasn't willing to do himself. Pretty much everything you'd want in a leader.
@@nailthehelper7667 One leader being bad doesn't automatically make the other one good. I'm not a huge fan of Joe Biden, but at least he's not the polarizing, fire starting figure that Trump was and by that measure he's an improvement.
@@nailthehelper7667 There are a lot of things wrong in the country right now and policing is certainly one of them. I also agree that more training and scrutiny when selecting officers is a preferable alternative to defunding, but there's a whole internal culture within law enforcement that needs to be addressed and I don't know how we're supposed to go about changing that as a nation.
Next Avenger Movies: The Mongols avenging their slain ambassadors, King Guojian avenging Yue's defeat by the Kingdom of Wu, Emperor Han Wudi avenging the killing of his horse-seeking diplomats by the Greco-Persian kingdom of Alexandria Eschate, Octavian avenging Julius Caesar, Enrico Dandalo avenging his own torture by the Byzantines by later helping to sack Constantinople, revenge of the Forty Seven Ronin in 1700s Japan where they avenged their lord, etc.
Aww yes America caught in doubt. Illegal individuals pouring into her south with a callous attitude took what they wanted and did what they would and no do not build a wall. Let us split the head of America in half though lies and treacherous contemptuous ways
Germanicus embodied everything that was right about Rome. He combined brilliance on the field with magnanimity towards his subordinates and loyalty to his superior. His tactics were just ahead of his time. Imagine if he ruled instead of Caligula
Call me a day dreamer but if Germanicus stayed alive to be emperor he would have brought about a socialist Roman industrial revolution. His empathy for the downtrodden was way ahead of his time.
@@MrMarsh263 Socialism is way too far fetched lol. His sympathy to the poor would translate into populares reforms the kind Rome had been experiencing for a while. While he had compassion for the poor, he wasn't foolish enough to empower them at his expense.
@@MrMarsh263 likely he would have been better for people than other emperors ( Caligula ) but when power comes, few are willing to give it up out of the goodness of their heart.
To be fair though, we only have a VERY biased viewpoint on him. Roman "historiography" is always to be taken with a major dosis of skepticism. For romans, the fact alone that he was born a roman made him more or less superhuman and romans always tried to put certain "virtues" of the state and depict it in the characters. Most of roman historiography was less about depicting actual history and more about educating the reader in roman "virtues". Take for example Sertorius, a famous roman that lead iberian tribes against rome and was later defeated by Pompei the great. In the stories we have of him he is depicted as a great roman that "used" the barbarians under him for a roman goal because he was (initally) fighting Sulla who was depicted as bad by later roman historiography. Reading the report and putting a checklist of "how shood a roman be 1&1" feels like going point after point, it is really interesting. Plutarch especially is guilty of that, he always put a "great roman" and compared him against a "famous greek" to show how supirior romans were. Roman literature is a fascinating topic. We always have to assume that these "war reports" made by the romans against non-romans are more like the "german propaganda of WW2" then actual historical facts. Nearly always its momentary setback, glorious last stand, heroic delaying action instead of calling things a retreat or flight for example. Reading between the lines and most importantly getting archeological foundings to abck up certain claims is what brings the history alive and creates facts. I would always be very careful with the romans and their "characterization" of certain people. A famous example of how narrative can shift is the famous paris news headlines in 1814 after napoleon escaped his exile and returned to france: It went from (based on my memory) "the devil landed in southern france" over "the pretender has taken marseiles" to "the former emperor has taken Lyon" to "His majesty the emperor will arrive in paris the next morning". It is similar with roman literature. Context of who is currently in pwoer when something is written and how things are remembered are very important.
@@willnicles2843 Moden historians think that mad emperors like Caligula or Nero were in fact sane, and maybe even quite popular with the mass of plebeians (I don't know for Caligula, but fake Neros appeared everywhere in the Empire ater his death, which is not something that happen when a man ahted by everyone dies ^^). The thing is, we have only reports of roman history by senators. It would be like knowing about Donald Trump and Joe Biden only by a two or three senators, all of the same party, would you really trust them? ^^
@@captainrev4959 yes but they did not get their hands on Arminius, lost a lot of solideres and increased anti roman sentiment causing them to now be unable to do a lot of more or less vital trade
@@tomendruweit9386 Arminius later got killed by the germans due to angering Rome and plus he wanted to be king which would've caused more trouble for the germans.
In recent years, near the river Rhine, archeologists found the remains of what is believed to be the main Roman naval base that was used to launch the amphibious assault in Northern Germania as well as for logistical support during the campaign. They even found a largely intact Roman ship that can now be admired in a museum in Utrecht, Netherlands, close to the location of the findings.
Oh ye I saw that in that British TV program of archaeology, apparently they found ships built by locals but with very sophisticated roman techniques which tells the level of Romanisation of thse these local people in modern Netherlands
@@maxdecphoenix not at all. Rome total war is one of my favourite games of all time, just I don't feel the need to rub the fact I like it down other people's throats
it didn't require surgical precision. romans were using really good scouting under Germanicus because he was quite thorough, so they knew how long it should take to get where. Just tell his subordinate 'go three days north on the river, then start pillaging south. we'll wait 3 days and then attack and meet in the middle. aside of that it was just using couriers and scouts to keep in contact. hannibal was doing stuff like that before even crossing the alps. "go upriver a day's march, then cross and come back, attack at dawn."
Not to mention the Roman view on race, the pale skins were the strong but stupid while the darker skins were cunning but cowardly. Kind of shows that stereotypes don't evolve over time.
The Romans considered those of northern latitudes to be dumb...but brave. While considering those in latitudes south of them to be smart... smarter than themselves...but cowardly. They even had a theory 😅. They assumed it was the amount of sun and temperature that caused this. From this, they obviously concluded that themselves being in the middle gave them the perfect balance of intellect and bravery.
@@longyu9336 because he lived most of his life in the Roman world and was able to develop his mentality by studying the sciences of the classical civilization.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate just how good Arminius was as a general? Germanicus kinda steals the lime-light for a number of reasons, but if he had been any less of a mastermind, Arminius would have absolutely curb-stomped the Romans.. Again! The Germanic tribes executed an almost perfect faint retreat AND had the discipline not to over extend themselves once it was clear the rest of the legions showed up and their trap failed. I mean, that's some next level command & control right there. It's kinda sad that Arminius remains a relatively obscure historical figure. I genuinely believe he could have been a massive 'problem' for Rome if he had faced anyone other than Germanicus. I think he's shown the potential to be ranked among Hannibal and Attila!
Eh, I would not put him on par with Hannibal. Hannibal's battle of Cannae is undoubtedly the greatest victory anyone has ever achieved against the Romans on Roman territory. Only a handful of people have beaten Rome right in front of their door step. Arminius was an amazing general, but he and his Germanic tribes were successful in large part due to the Romans fighting on an unfamiliar terrain against an enemy who was born in it.
@@fahadsheikh9035 That's why I said Arminius had the _potential_ to be on the level of a Hannibal or an Attila. His life was cut short due to political factors and he had the 'misfortune' of facing one of Rome's greatest generals of all time.
Thanks for posting that 👋 Honestly it's quite disgusting how many commenters here mentally side with the Romans whose campaign here was genocidal. I don't necessarily think we should condemn the Romans but it goes too far to celebrate them and, as you've mentioned, to neglect the other side of the equation, Arminius. I can't stand it when people romanticise the past when looking for political rolemodels...
@Not Clash Wait, this is some kind of weird nationalism-fetish thing for you? Lol, you know this happened 2000 years ago, right? But given the current state of Italy, I can understand why you need to go back 2000 years not to feel like shit. Have a nice day. :)
Roma Invicta! Such a shame that the Teutoburg ambush is famous, while Germanicus brilliant campaigns are often forgotten. I hope that Barbarians will have a second season that is based on them.
LOL i watched some reviews about the second seasons and damn, they went woke and completely ignored history. The first season too had some questionable moments, but was nice to watch. How to kill a show..
The reason is quite simple actually. The Teutoburg disaster put a definitive halt to roman expansionism in the region, arguably changing the course of History and forcing the empire into a policy of territorial defense by relying on the limes. Germanicus' campaigns on the other hand were nothing more than a large scale vendetta and, while highly successful in that purpose, didn't benefit Rome in the slightest in the long run. History only remembers the causes of present realities, and Germanicus' campaigns, aside from furthering anti-roman sentiments, did not cause anything meaningful enough to have a direct effect on History.
"Their eagle standards would make fine additions to his collection" Germanicus: Hello there Arminius: I have been trained in your Roman arts by Commes Dookius himself!
A bit off topic but there's an excellent comic series called Britannia that's set in Imperial Rome and covers some of this same ground. Highly recommended.
Thank you for this. I believe you are the only ones who made this documentary about the afthermath of the 3 Legions in the Teutoburg forest. And I was getting tired of every history channel that only talks about what happend with those 3 Legions, but never what the Romans did afterwards to extract their vengeance
Invicta , great work but you miss one important thing , Germanicus had grand scheme . He will campaign from spring to fall keep german tribes focus on him which means only in winter were german tribes free of the romans , in other words they could not hunt or farm and as weight of 1 tribe felt cold and hunger of winter it caused another tribe to help , there upon when Germanicus fell on them they were already weakened and so forth ! That alone caused major break in German tribes breaking again into factions ! Germanicus campaigns of 15-16-17AD was not only won in the field but using nature and the seasons against german tribes.
Arminus is pulling a General Grevious with Roman eagle standards.I can already imagine it Arminus:Your Eagles Standards will make a nice addition to my collection
Remeber Germanicus and Claudiano that after some years 3 eagles come back in Roma after the victory vs Barbarians.... and Arminius traitor of Roma killed from his tribe! well done for a hero traitor
Really liking this series. I never heard of Arminius before part 1, and I'm getting mild Boudica vibes from him. Apparently, misuse of him in 1930s German propaganda buried his legacy for awhile, but tales of those who fight massive empires and win are just naturally appealing. Looking forward to the next part.
Had Arminius succeeded a second time he would have really put fear into Rome and gone down in history as one of the greatest underdogs with the likes of Hannibal.
@@MrLoobu "If" and is still could count as won guerilla battle somewhere near roman province and that treacherous move which lead to Teutoburg diseaster bevore is nowhere near to achievements of Hannibal who came head on toward enemy land and beat up every army on his way threatening Rome itself
Must have been terrifying to be some random tribe connected to another larger tribe, you just working on your farm knowing nothing of the world, no Rome no Arminius, only to see hundred of men on horses charging towards you, cutting and killing everything alive in there're path burning every home in their way, you can run home to save your family or run towards the forest, the choices can drive anyone insane.
7:30 In Germany "Tussi" or "Tusse" means till today an attractive but superficial woman (in an insulting way). While Arminius get honored at Detmold by the largest statue in Germany. >_>
@@falcor200 i really hope we’ll see germanicus pov of the war..but its a german production so i guess the barbarians will have the pov but man the romans speaking latin in the show is really great for historical buffs like me
I would also like to know about the invasion of Britain by Emperor Claudius the campaign had a lot of big names in it but I haven't seen any documentary about it
In Britain , especially in Wales and London, a lot of male DNA haplogroups such as EV-13 and J2b2 were found, haplogroups very common among Albanians who are paleo balkanic. It is considered as " illyrian soldiery" by historians. Either Roman army had lot's of Illyrian Roman legionnaires and auxiliaries when it invaded Britain or they came later
i like how the romans are so certain of their moral highground, avenging their fallen brothers who were killed by the tribes they were trying to enslave, because not wanting to be conquered by the romans will surely draw their wrath
There are traces recognised by Germans and others as well. I have been in Haltern am See museum about the forest battle and spoken to archeologists as well
@@Chriscs7 Yes, the Teutoburger battle took place, no doubt about it, just not exactly where historians thought. And this happened in 9 AD. About the heroic deeds of Germanicus in 14-15 AD there is little more than an indication that they cleared the battle field. Any proof of glorious victories and total revenge on all German tribes isn't there. Though he was received in Rome as if he exterminated all Germans.
@@dutchman7623 There is no doubt that the victors write the history. Also back then the barbarians could not write, first written Germanic language was created in the 4th Century, by Bishop Ulfilas so they could not tell their side of the story in written but only in songs and vocal ways. Nevertheless from my readings I do believe that Germanicus achieved great success, because later sources mention that this is reason of envy within Rome itself and how he got killed got too famous. You cannot get that famous in Rome with fake news, even in those times. Although the world was ancient, still the connections and roads existed. It would take around 3-4 weeks for a messenger to go with horse from Rome to Germania magna. Also they had towers and posts everywhere so even faster due to the rotation of messengers. Guy A moves 40 km entire day -> gives letter to Roman B who continues at night and so on (from what i have read their messaging system was quite developed to mantein such an empire). So my idea is that of course the victories might have been exaggerated in the history sources, and also some defeats probably never mentioned but still I do believe he did achieve success in Germania. That success that could easily be proven by other Romans got him killed, in 3-4 weeks 2 months time the word of mouth etc travelled and people could understand that some battles really happened in the province. That is only my modest reasoning as someone that loves history and reads a lot of books on how ancient world communicated, managed the structures, society rules etc. Cheers
@@Chriscs7 Historical and archaeological evidence clearly proves that 'Roman History' doesn't match the truth, even far from. During the 'Pax Romana' entire nations were slaughtered and driven from their lands, who were under Roman control, like the Jews, Tungrii, Caninefatii, etc. We found the remains of tens of thousands driven together in a bend of the river Maas where they could not cross and were killed by those heroic peaceful Romans, women, children and men alike, massacred. That represents the entire population of the area. Nowhere any Roman source mentioned it. So if they could falsify the truth within their empire, they would even more easily falsify it outside, with even less proof. Horrific cruelty, plundering, enslavement, abuse, even among their 'friends'. If you want to accept Roman writings as truth, that's your free choice. But do not ask me to respect it.
@@dutchman7623 I am not accepting the Roman history as written by them. Was just reasoning about that particular timeline and events. They have all the reasons to lie and glorify Germanicus, but no reason to lie about his murder death and reason. And when things are connected the logic comes to conclusion that indeed somehow he fought the germanic tribes and achieved some kind of success that got him famous and killed in Rome. I also have no doubt that many of the stories are written to the liking of the Romans. To figure out the "truth" in these cases you need to cross the information from different sources if possible.
If I remember correctly the Chatti continued to be a thorn in Rome's side until at lest 214 AD, Even after there are allusions to them simply becoming so small they got combined regularly with various confederations until finally becoming members of the Franks confederation.
Brilliant Video. Being a native of the German town of Emden at the estuary of the Ems i am particulary interested to see, that the Romans came by here :) But the Map looks a bit to modern in that area, because it shows the "Dollart" which is a body of Water only created some 1200-1400 years after this event :)
my thoughts exactly. not only did they invade and slaughter people repeatedly but they also betrayed each other leading "brother wars" against one another for the sake of power hungry dictators fighting over the throne. they enslaved a lot of people particularly the illyrians were treated badly, no wonder rome was hated, no wonder it eventually fell. And they invaded places to exploit local ressources making their own population richer, kinda like americans.
Caecina's ability to avoid the ambush and Germanicus return home showed the great ability of Rome's legions. Quoting from the Annales of Tacitus:"The Germans said that the Romans are invincible, and there was no disaster that could stop them. After the fleet sank, they've lost all ships, and the shores were full of men and horses, they came back to battle with the same courage, the same indomable spirit, such as they were more than before"
Augustus shouldn't have trusted his bleeding legions to an incompetent toff in the first place...he was hopefully blaming himself in that respect in his bath when he moaned that.
Personally I think germanicus could have been the greatest roman emperor to ever live had he had the chance him and his father drucus the elder are fascinating ppl
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I have to say folks, prior to researching this series I didn't quite grasp just how punishing the Roman campaigns of vengeance were... its stunning. But Arminius and the Germanic tribes did not lay down without a fight and will be delivering their fair share of counterpunches in this bloody brawl.
Was that a General Grievous reference there towards the end of that Video? lol
i knew the right answer was WALL, its always WALL, when romans are involved at least
It was harsh time back then. Our view is very different.
What happens next!!!! Is there another video to say what happened at the causeways?
I'm with the germans on this one.
My favourite thing about Germanicus was his willingness to admit that he didn't always have the answer to every problem and that he'd never expect his soldiers to do something he wasn't willing to do himself. Pretty much everything you'd want in a leader.
I think Donald Trump is everything you'd want in a leader but I agree.
Quite true
@@nailthehelper7667 Blame the hackers, that would have happened to Trump too.
@@nailthehelper7667 One leader being bad doesn't automatically make the other one good. I'm not a huge fan of Joe Biden, but at least he's not the polarizing, fire starting figure that Trump was and by that measure he's an improvement.
@@nailthehelper7667 There are a lot of things wrong in the country right now and policing is certainly one of them. I also agree that more training and scrutiny when selecting officers is a preferable alternative to defunding, but there's a whole internal culture within law enforcement that needs to be addressed and I don't know how we're supposed to go about changing that as a nation.
From Avenging Crassus to Avenging Varus, this is the far better Avengers series.
History > some cgi movie
This is the real life Avengers Infinity War.
Next Avenger Movies: The Mongols avenging their slain ambassadors, King Guojian avenging Yue's defeat by the Kingdom of Wu, Emperor Han Wudi avenging the killing of his horse-seeking diplomats by the Greco-Persian kingdom of Alexandria Eschate, Octavian avenging Julius Caesar, Enrico Dandalo avenging his own torture by the Byzantines by later helping to sack Constantinople, revenge of the Forty Seven Ronin in 1700s Japan where they avenged their lord, etc.
@@jakobinobles3263 not so fast, does the Senate knows about this?
This channel is a lot like Avengers.....except it's a good RUclips channel and not a crappy computer-generated cash-grab.
*Armenius in a robotic voice* "Your Eagle will make a fine addition to my collection"
General Armenius. You're shorter than I expected.
If so powerful you are arminus, why leave?
Hello there.
General The Mighty One
Found at 14:27
Remember folks, when in doubt, build a fort, walls, defences. Caesar ways of doing things.
Tried and true tactic, it just works too well
Rolf I never thought like that !
When in doubt, build a wall, then another wall around the first wall
Lol that only reminds me of Trump's botched project in that regard
Aww yes America caught in doubt. Illegal individuals pouring into her south with a callous attitude took what they wanted and did what they would and no do not build a wall. Let us split the head of America in half though lies and treacherous contemptuous ways
Germanicus embodied everything that was right about Rome. He combined brilliance on the field with magnanimity towards his subordinates and loyalty to his superior. His tactics were just ahead of his time.
Imagine if he ruled instead of Caligula
Call me a day dreamer but if Germanicus stayed alive to be emperor he would have brought about a socialist Roman industrial revolution. His empathy for the downtrodden was way ahead of his time.
@@MrMarsh263
Socialism is way too far fetched lol.
His sympathy to the poor would translate into populares reforms the kind Rome had been experiencing for a while.
While he had compassion for the poor, he wasn't foolish enough to empower them at his expense.
@@MrMarsh263 likely he would have been better for people than other emperors ( Caligula ) but when power comes, few are willing to give it up out of the goodness of their heart.
To be fair though, we only have a VERY biased viewpoint on him. Roman "historiography" is always to be taken with a major dosis of skepticism.
For romans, the fact alone that he was born a roman made him more or less superhuman and romans always tried to put certain "virtues" of the state and depict it in the characters. Most of roman historiography was less about depicting actual history and more about educating the reader in roman "virtues".
Take for example Sertorius, a famous roman that lead iberian tribes against rome and was later defeated by Pompei the great. In the stories we have of him he is depicted as a great roman that "used" the barbarians under him for a roman goal because he was (initally) fighting Sulla who was depicted as bad by later roman historiography. Reading the report and putting a checklist of "how shood a roman be 1&1" feels like going point after point, it is really interesting. Plutarch especially is guilty of that, he always put a "great roman" and compared him against a "famous greek" to show how supirior romans were. Roman literature is a fascinating topic.
We always have to assume that these "war reports" made by the romans against non-romans are more like the "german propaganda of WW2" then actual historical facts. Nearly always its momentary setback, glorious last stand, heroic delaying action instead of calling things a retreat or flight for example.
Reading between the lines and most importantly getting archeological foundings to abck up certain claims is what brings the history alive and creates facts. I would always be very careful with the romans and their "characterization" of certain people.
A famous example of how narrative can shift is the famous paris news headlines in 1814 after napoleon escaped his exile and returned to france: It went from (based on my memory) "the devil landed in southern france" over "the pretender has taken marseiles" to "the former emperor has taken Lyon" to "His majesty the emperor will arrive in paris the next morning".
It is similar with roman literature. Context of who is currently in pwoer when something is written and how things are remembered are very important.
@@willnicles2843 Moden historians think that mad emperors like Caligula or Nero were in fact sane, and maybe even quite popular with the mass of plebeians (I don't know for Caligula, but fake Neros appeared everywhere in the Empire ater his death, which is not something that happen when a man ahted by everyone dies ^^).
The thing is, we have only reports of roman history by senators. It would be like knowing about Donald Trump and Joe Biden only by a two or three senators, all of the same party, would you really trust them? ^^
Seeing the Langobardi/Lombards just east of the Cherusci on the map feels like forshadowing lol
Lombards were persecuted in the dark ages
@@uniuni8855 they cut the balls of the civilians in Rome and almost killed the pope in 1527
@@randomalien7746 sins of the fathers 🙄?
Wonder what the Romans did to them before that?
@@uniuni8855 sins of the fathers 🙄? Guess they had it coming in the Feudal Age too, lmao.
@@josebenardi1554 dude that's the cathos logic 😂
It's terrifying because Rome was only invading to kill at that point, not to conquer anymore.
this is one of the few Roman campaigns that was purely to kill. they didn’t want the land anymore they just wanted to punish the Germans!
It killed but acived nothing noteworthy for Rome. Actually it hurt Rome a lot.
@@tomendruweit9386 it Gave them revenge which was kind of the point.
@@captainrev4959 yes but they did not get their hands on Arminius, lost a lot of solideres and increased anti roman sentiment causing them to now be unable to do a lot of more or less vital trade
@@tomendruweit9386 Arminius later got killed by the germans due to angering Rome and plus he wanted to be king which would've caused more trouble for the germans.
In recent years, near the river Rhine, archeologists found the remains of what is believed to be the main Roman naval base that was used to launch the amphibious assault in Northern Germania as well as for logistical support during the campaign. They even found a largely intact Roman ship that can now be admired in a museum in Utrecht, Netherlands, close to the location of the findings.
Oh ye I saw that in that British TV program of archaeology, apparently they found ships built by locals but with very sophisticated roman techniques which tells the level of Romanisation of thse these local people in modern Netherlands
Ah, Germanicus. The embodiment of Roman power. Anyways, always a good day when Invicta uploads!
I hope he goes on to become a great emperor and becomes a role model to his son.
@@Kastor774 Why must you hurt me so?
The eagle its concentred of signified ,cacred for my solders
Roma SPQR 🔱
"The strongest of all warriors are these two - Time and Patience"
- Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Leo Tolstoy never had to face the gauls as the Julii on VH/VH.
@@maxdecphoenix no but he fought the gauls (French) in the Crimean war. I think Leo's right on this one ;)
@@strategossable1366 and i think the reference went directly over your head.
@@maxdecphoenix not at all. Rome total war is one of my favourite games of all time, just I don't feel the need to rub the fact I like it down other people's throats
I'm so early I am at risk of being cut off by a flanking attack.
When you walk through the Teuto forrest you can feel the lost souls screaming to you, its an strange feeling over there.. ghostly
and when you go to field of Idavatiso you hear cries of German something not herd since Russians of 1945
Been there twice, heard nothing at all xD
@@CelticCari should be more open and bonding
@@Johan-ez5wo yeah, definitely. i'm dead inside af. i'll probably be there again when the lockdown is over, a friend of mine lives nearby
Sounds like Gettysburg then
''General Germanicus, your eagle will make a fine addition to my collection''
-Arminius Grievous
I want to like this reply, but the 66 likes seem appropriate.
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In the end Rome always wins
It always fascinates me how in the hell they could plan such a coordinated pincer move into those times
it didn't require surgical precision. romans were using really good scouting under Germanicus because he was quite thorough, so they knew how long it should take to get where. Just tell his subordinate 'go three days north on the river, then start pillaging south. we'll wait 3 days and then attack and meet in the middle. aside of that it was just using couriers and scouts to keep in contact.
hannibal was doing stuff like that before even crossing the alps. "go upriver a day's march, then cross and come back, attack at dawn."
A historical cliffhanger; they said it couldn't be done.
I was like. What? Wtf? Is there a part 2? noooooooooo
Caecina: "Hello there."
Arminius: "General Caecina! Your eagle will make a fine addition to my collection".
Ah yes. A upload of Invicta about the campaigns of germanicus before I go to sleep looks like I have to postpone that sleep
It’s so funny looking back when people were described as “smart...by German standards”
German people back then were as smart as Central African indigenous tribes.
Not to mention the Roman view on race, the pale skins were the strong but stupid while the darker skins were cunning but cowardly.
Kind of shows that stereotypes don't evolve over time.
@@hassanbassim4007 Yet Arminius has proven himself to be a master shemer
The Romans considered those of northern latitudes to be dumb...but brave.
While considering those in latitudes south of them to be smart... smarter than themselves...but cowardly.
They even had a theory 😅. They assumed it was the amount of sun and temperature that caused this.
From this, they obviously concluded that themselves being in the middle gave them the perfect balance of intellect and bravery.
@@longyu9336 because he lived most of his life in the Roman world and was able to develop his mentality by studying the sciences of the classical civilization.
"A fine addition to my collection...."
"General Arminius. You're shorter than I expected."
Yesterday I finaly finished netflix barbarians. I cannot wait for S2 and Germanicus and Tiberius 💯❤
Just the idea of seeing all this on a huge TV Show makes me so excited!
I'd love to see that as well. Knowing it's a Netflix show however, I won't be surprised if they don't get to a Season 3 (Remembers HBO's Rome...)
almost nearly 300 film is more historically accurate
Can we just take a moment to appreciate just how good Arminius was as a general? Germanicus kinda steals the lime-light for a number of reasons, but if he had been any less of a mastermind, Arminius would have absolutely curb-stomped the Romans.. Again!
The Germanic tribes executed an almost perfect faint retreat AND had the discipline not to over extend themselves once it was clear the rest of the legions showed up and their trap failed. I mean, that's some next level command & control right there.
It's kinda sad that Arminius remains a relatively obscure historical figure. I genuinely believe he could have been a massive 'problem' for Rome if he had faced anyone other than Germanicus. I think he's shown the potential to be ranked among Hannibal and Attila!
Eh, I would not put him on par with Hannibal. Hannibal's battle of Cannae is undoubtedly the greatest victory anyone has ever achieved against the Romans on Roman territory. Only a handful of people have beaten Rome right in front of their door step. Arminius was an amazing general, but he and his Germanic tribes were successful in large part due to the Romans fighting on an unfamiliar terrain against an enemy who was born in it.
@@fahadsheikh9035 That's why I said Arminius had the _potential_ to be on the level of a Hannibal or an Attila. His life was cut short due to political factors and he had the 'misfortune' of facing one of Rome's greatest generals of all time.
Thanks for posting that 👋 Honestly it's quite disgusting how many commenters here mentally side with the Romans whose campaign here was genocidal. I don't necessarily think we should condemn the Romans but it goes too far to celebrate them and, as you've mentioned, to neglect the other side of the equation, Arminius. I can't stand it when people romanticise the past when looking for political rolemodels...
@Not Clash Did you even watch the video?
@Not Clash Wait, this is some kind of weird nationalism-fetish thing for you? Lol, you know this happened 2000 years ago, right?
But given the current state of Italy, I can understand why you need to go back 2000 years not to feel like shit. Have a nice day. :)
lmao , facing Romans in open battle...some haven't learned from Arminius.
Only a fool would meet the Dothraki in an open field.
@@Intranetusa I present to you the Unsullied
@@hazzmati The did not fight in a open field. They had city walls behind them, limiting the Dothraki.
@@cegesh1459 true, still ended up with a few thousand braids laid at the feet of the vastly outnumbered Unsullied.
Jeffrey Hill and a lot of those unsullied died too
I was looking for something to watch and Mars blessed me with a new INVICTA video
The Marsi tribe taking position on an open battlefield to fight fair and square.
Roman commander: I see you have chosen death...
Tribes: Why u do dis?
Rome: You made the wrong friends...
Roma Invicta! Such a shame that the Teutoburg ambush is famous, while Germanicus brilliant campaigns are often forgotten. I hope that Barbarians will have a second season that is based on them.
I just finished the second season. I´ll just say I´m disappointed.
@@johnanderson6690 same here dawg
This comment absolutely didn't age well
LOL i watched some reviews about the second seasons and damn, they went woke and completely ignored history. The first season too had some questionable moments, but was nice to watch. How to kill a show..
The reason is quite simple actually.
The Teutoburg disaster put a definitive halt to roman expansionism in the region, arguably changing the course of History and forcing the empire into a policy of territorial defense by relying on the limes.
Germanicus' campaigns on the other hand were nothing more than a large scale vendetta and, while highly successful in that purpose, didn't benefit Rome in the slightest in the long run.
History only remembers the causes of present realities, and Germanicus' campaigns, aside from furthering anti-roman sentiments, did not cause anything meaningful enough to have a direct effect on History.
"Their eagle standards would make fine additions to his collection"
Germanicus: Hello there
Arminius: I have been trained in your Roman arts by Commes Dookius himself!
Peak reddit
@@constantinexi6489 I considered "Commes Dukas" at first, but I felt that'd be too East Rome for the period
A bit off topic but there's an excellent comic series called Britannia that's set in Imperial Rome and covers some of this same ground. Highly recommended.
Thank you for this.
I believe you are the only ones who made this documentary about the afthermath of the 3 Legions in the Teutoburg forest. And I was getting tired of every history channel that only talks about what happend with those 3 Legions, but never what the Romans did afterwards to extract their vengeance
Legend has it Rome fell after failing the Campaign of vengeance
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"Hello there."
"General Caecina! You are a bold one."
Arminius really was a sharp fella with quite a bit of nerve to oppose Rome so openly and successfully for as long as he did, when he did.
Invicta , great work but you miss one important thing , Germanicus had grand scheme . He will campaign from spring to fall keep german tribes focus on him which means only in winter were german tribes free of the romans , in other words they could not hunt or farm and as weight of 1 tribe felt cold and hunger of winter it caused another tribe to help , there upon when Germanicus fell on them they were already weakened and so forth ! That alone caused major break in German tribes breaking again into factions ! Germanicus campaigns of 15-16-17AD was not only won in the field but using nature and the seasons against german tribes.
You are basically spoilering future seasons of Barbaren! And I'm loving it
I've been waiting to see Germanicus in that series.
This entire video had me on the edge of my seat. Amazing work Invicta.
Awww, the cliffhanger!
I eagerly await the next installment!
I was trying to find videos about Germanicus and his revenge tour and couldn't anywhere! Thank you for this video!
Finally I have been waiting for this so long...
I’ve been looking forward to this!
Arminus is pulling a General Grevious with Roman eagle standards.I can already imagine it Arminus:Your Eagles Standards will make a nice addition to my collection
Remeber Germanicus and Claudiano that after some years 3 eagles come back
in Roma after the victory vs Barbarians....
and Arminius traitor of Roma killed from his tribe!
well done for a hero traitor
@@lucaferrari2106 Claudiano?
Really liking this series. I never heard of Arminius before part 1, and I'm getting mild Boudica vibes from him. Apparently, misuse of him in 1930s German propaganda buried his legacy for awhile, but tales of those who fight massive empires and win are just naturally appealing.
Looking forward to the next part.
Had Arminius succeeded a second time he would have really put fear into Rome and gone down in history as one of the greatest underdogs with the likes of Hannibal.
You put this filthy traitor Arminius next to one of greatest military commanders in history? Lmao
@@heroe480 If he also slaughtered a retreating and victorious Germanicus similar to toutobourg?....Yes?
@@MrLoobu "If" and is still could count as won guerilla battle somewhere near roman province and that treacherous move which lead to Teutoburg diseaster bevore is nowhere near to achievements of Hannibal who came head on toward enemy land and beat up every army on his way threatening Rome itself
Hannibal was definitely no underdog. His army was well trained, equipped and supplied for much of his campaign.
Lets say Arminius crushed that Roman army also:
Arminius : 35k kills
Hannibal : 225k kills
nahh
Amazing content. I've always been interested in the campaigns after the disaster and this coverage had me entranced :D
Amazing job! I absolutely love the Varian Disaster from a historical perspective. I hope you keep going!
I have to say Invicta I like your visuals.
Man I've been looking forward to this
This series sets a new standard. OUTSTANDING WORK mate, can´t wait for the sequel.
Must have been terrifying to be some random tribe connected to another larger tribe, you just working on your farm knowing nothing of the world, no Rome no Arminius, only to see hundred of men on horses charging towards you, cutting and killing everything alive in there're path burning every home in their way, you can run home to save your family or run towards the forest, the choices can drive anyone insane.
Gaaawwhh!! Don’t leave us on this cliffhanger!! 😫
Seriously though, great work Invictus! You teller of tall tales. 😚
This is the best, clear account I've been fortunate enough to see.. to pass this would require many books and long hours... Naaa!!! Thank you Invicta.
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In Germany "Tussi" or "Tusse" means till today an attractive but superficial woman (in an insulting way).
While Arminius get honored at Detmold by the largest statue in Germany.
>_>
A fine addition to my collection....
I'll admit, I was engrossed by this far more than any TW battle I've seen recently. Good pivot. Quality content.
Love this series, and can't wait to watch the next episode. Wonderfully illustrated and super informative stuff. Thanks a lot!
I remember reading about Germanicus on Badass of the Week, of all places. Super interesting dude
That star wars reference at the end made my day.
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one (:
I wonder how much of this will be included in the Netflix series "Barbarians" because this is really good.
Hopefully the show runners have noticed people care much more for the Romans than the barbarai lmfao.
@@falcor200---Yeah I can see that.
@@falcor200---Thanks for replying.
@@falcor200 i really hope we’ll see germanicus pov of the war..but its a german production so i guess the barbarians will have the pov but man the romans speaking latin in the show is really great for historical buffs like me
I can't even imagine what the soldiers of the Legion felt when they found the eagle of the 19th Legion.
This entire series is amazing. Thank you!!
You got me hooked on this story now I can't find the next episode from this series... or does it even continue?
Yes, the story of Germanicus continues😢
Please tell me you will continue I was so hooked during the entire thing I just wish it was longer than 15 min
I love those series thank you!
Beautiful artwork!!!!!!!! Salivating over these scenes.
Oh boy i love this channel so much. Just the opposite like it was in school with these topics. Greetings from germany.
I would also like to know about the invasion of Britain by Emperor Claudius the campaign had a lot of big names in it but I haven't seen any documentary about it
In Britain , especially in Wales and London, a lot of male DNA haplogroups such as EV-13 and J2b2 were found, haplogroups very common among Albanians who are paleo balkanic.
It is considered as " illyrian soldiery" by historians.
Either Roman army had lot's of Illyrian Roman legionnaires and auxiliaries when it invaded Britain or they came later
This is awesome. Would love to hear more about the Chatti.
What happened next?! I'm so eager for the next episode. Great content as always.
Ahhh such a cliffhanger ending. Can't wait for the follow-up, fantastic as always!
you know a video is good when your upset by the cliffhanger! excellent script and visuals. thank you.
MORE! I NEED MOAR!
Dudes and dudetts, history has better sprites than anything Hollywood has come up with, much love to this channel
The ending was a true cliffhanger
i like how the romans are so certain of their moral highground, avenging their fallen brothers who were killed by the tribes they were trying to enslave, because not wanting to be conquered by the romans will surely draw their wrath
This heroic Roman history is written by heroic Romans about heroic Romans, without any archeological traces or prove.
There are traces recognised by Germans and others as well. I have been in Haltern am See
museum about the forest battle and spoken to archeologists as well
@@Chriscs7 Yes, the Teutoburger battle took place, no doubt about it, just not exactly where historians thought. And this happened in 9 AD.
About the heroic deeds of Germanicus in 14-15 AD there is little more than an indication that they cleared the battle field.
Any proof of glorious victories and total revenge on all German tribes isn't there.
Though he was received in Rome as if he exterminated all Germans.
@@dutchman7623 There is no doubt that the victors write the history. Also back then the barbarians could not write, first written Germanic language was created in the 4th Century, by Bishop Ulfilas so they could not tell their side of the story in written but only in songs and vocal ways.
Nevertheless from my readings I do believe that Germanicus achieved great success, because later sources mention that this is reason of envy within Rome itself and how he got killed got too famous.
You cannot get that famous in Rome with fake news, even in those times.
Although the world was ancient, still the connections and roads existed. It would take around 3-4 weeks for a messenger to go with horse from Rome to Germania magna. Also they had towers and posts everywhere so even faster due to the rotation of messengers.
Guy A moves 40 km entire day -> gives letter to Roman B who continues at night and so on (from what i have read their messaging system was quite developed to mantein such an empire).
So my idea is that of course the victories might have been exaggerated in the history sources, and also some defeats probably never mentioned but still I do believe he did achieve success in Germania. That success that could easily be proven by other Romans got him killed, in 3-4 weeks 2 months time the word of mouth etc travelled and people could understand that some battles really happened in the province.
That is only my modest reasoning as someone that loves history and reads a lot of books on how ancient world communicated, managed the structures, society rules etc. Cheers
@@Chriscs7 Historical and archaeological evidence clearly proves that 'Roman History' doesn't match the truth, even far from.
During the 'Pax Romana' entire nations were slaughtered and driven from their lands, who were under Roman control, like the Jews, Tungrii, Caninefatii, etc.
We found the remains of tens of thousands driven together in a bend of the river Maas where they could not cross and were killed by those heroic peaceful Romans, women, children and men alike, massacred.
That represents the entire population of the area. Nowhere any Roman source mentioned it.
So if they could falsify the truth within their empire, they would even more easily falsify it outside, with even less proof.
Horrific cruelty, plundering, enslavement, abuse, even among their 'friends'.
If you want to accept Roman writings as truth, that's your free choice. But do not ask me to respect it.
@@dutchman7623 I am not accepting the Roman history as written by them. Was just reasoning about that particular timeline and events. They have all the reasons to lie and glorify Germanicus, but no reason to lie about his murder death and reason. And when things are connected the logic comes to conclusion that indeed somehow he fought the germanic tribes and achieved some kind of success that got him famous and killed in Rome.
I also have no doubt that many of the stories are written to the liking of the Romans. To figure out the "truth" in these cases you need to cross the information from different sources if possible.
That grievus reference
If I remember correctly the Chatti continued to be a thorn in Rome's side until at lest 214 AD, Even after there are allusions to them simply becoming so small they got combined regularly with various confederations until finally becoming members of the Franks confederation.
Great stuff! I’m very much looking forward to the next instalment ;)
Tried to find the rest of this series. Was liking to see what happened.
Man what a cliffhanger this stuff would make for a great series.
Can't w8 for the next episode! Great job!
Why this channel doesn't have 10M+ subscribers is beyond my comprehension
Vid seems quite honest and well done. Could you make a serie on the Cimbri? 🙂
Excellent video, thanks!
ah yes what a fine edition to my collection.
such a amazing artwork :o wow!
Brilliant Video. Being a native of the German town of Emden at the estuary of the Ems i am particulary interested to see, that the Romans came by here :) But the Map looks a bit to modern in that area, because it shows the "Dollart" which is a body of Water only created some 1200-1400 years after this event :)
Netflix did a horrible job on Germanicus in Barbarians
This is high quality and entertaining content sir ☀️
Thanks for spoiling season 2 of Barbarians!
And also, thanks for allowing us to spot its potential innacuracies
The second season has been spoiled for 2000 years
Ah, Invicta uploaded! My day just got better. :)
Awesome as always
Why does everyone seem hyped up about Rome and their "brilliance"? They're disgusting.
my thoughts exactly. not only did they invade and slaughter people repeatedly but they also betrayed each other leading "brother wars" against one another for the sake of power hungry dictators fighting over the throne. they enslaved a lot of people particularly the illyrians were treated badly, no wonder rome was hated, no wonder it eventually fell. And they invaded places to exploit local ressources making their own population richer, kinda like americans.
Romans did nothing wrong and brought civilization to Europe
They were military brilliant
@@nocensorship8092 dude this was normal 2000 years ago! Invasions of neighbouring territories were the norm all over the world at the time.
Amazing channel. Love each and every video. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Caecina's ability to avoid the ambush and Germanicus return home showed the great ability of Rome's legions. Quoting from the Annales of Tacitus:"The Germans said that the Romans are invincible, and there was no disaster that could stop them. After the fleet sank, they've lost all ships, and the shores were full of men and horses, they came back to battle with the same courage, the same indomable spirit, such as they were more than before"
GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIOOOOONS🤬🤬🤬🤬❤️❤️❤️❤️
Augustus shouldn't have trusted his bleeding legions to an incompetent toff in the first place...he was hopefully blaming himself in that respect in his bath when he moaned that.
Augustus said calmly
Excellent video!
Next part do it as soon as possible
Personally I think germanicus could have been the greatest roman emperor to ever live had he had the chance him and his father drucus the elder are fascinating ppl