WAS 11 YEAR OLD CHLOE DAVIS A MURDERER OR A VICTIM HERSELF? | The Davis Family Murders
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Today we discuss the case of The Davis Family Murders. A solved murder case that some feel had the wrong outcome.
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What struck me is when the police were all 'Chloe is guilty, she's a sociopath', why no one wondered if the child was in shock. I got that way in 2011 when my mother died. For months I was walking around, numb, until the day at Walmart I saw the Mothers Day displays (I was the only one of her children to remember such days as that or her birthday), and the dam burst, and I was sobbing my heart out. A neighbor who was shopping saw me (who had lost her husband a few months ago) came up to me and wrapped her arms around me.
You've got to remember that this was nearly 100 years ago though. Shock from trauma and psychology in general were not well understood.
This is what I am suggesting, also since her mother commanded her to use the hammer, you would have to .ocker your normal "you" away in order to be able to obey... and then the shock sets in and as she said she was crying on the inside all the time.
If you then released thee control, you would have to deal with what you had done which would have destroyed her.
Yeah, I think that the brain goes on "neutral" as a defense mechanism and it blocks out the traumatic event and the details of your participation. It stays in your subconscious mind until your conscious mind brings it forward to you when and if your mind can handle it.
Just what I thought ! How did they NOT consider shock ?! It is real for sure !
I am so sorry you had to experience losing your mother at such a young age. I can't even imagine the sense of abandonment you must have felt as a child without your mom there anymore. Your theory on Chloe being in shock and unable to process any emotions makes sense.
“ I can’t cry, I’ve tried” “ I cry on the inside all the time”. That little girl was in an extreme traumatic shock, especially if she had to finish killing her brother and mother.
I would have believed in Chloe's innocence up until the part where a neighbor saw her bash her mother in the head for not giving her a nickel. I believe the girl was a sociopath.
That poor child had been spending hours with someone who was having serious mental health problems. On top of probably being a second mother all day, the mother was probably also talking to the daughter about these things and whatnot. So the child was already under severe stress. And while the little girl said she hit her mother that many times, she probably didn't.
How did the cops and psychiatrists try to explain the cuts on Lolita's wrists, if Chloe was the killer? It would be very difficult to murder someone that way. I guess it's possible that Chloe knocked her unconscious with the hammer and then slit her wrists, but would an 11-year-old even know the concept of staging a suicide?
I agree.
Psychopaths are highly intelligent and precocious.
Probably not back than....makes me wonder.
@@cosmicwayfarer not as little children, nope
Children are capable of knowing and understanding alot more then people think. I'm not saying she did it but if she was a girl who liked to read and who had an intrest in those types of things then yes but the fact she forgot about it tells me it was probably the mom but I wasn't there.
I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this case! It’s wild!
You hear so many stories of these awful husbands/fathers from back then, so it's horrible that this happened to such a lovely guy 😞He was smitten with his wife and adored his babies.
I don't know what to think, though at first, I was thinking Chloe probably did it. But then I started questioning that. I went through several theories in my head before deciding there were holes in all my theories. All I know is you are my favorite true crime channel, you handle all your stories wonderfully. Thank you!
Dude I’m feeling the same. I have an open mind and research this stuff in depth daily and it seems like unpopular opinion but I truly did get the feeling that the daughter did it. More so because the stories changing, not just from the daughter but dad, family members, neighbors and I feel like the dad would’ve done it right from the start, sees his family I gone and the shock, to me wouldn’t be to lie about your dead wife and kids unless it was the truth because he wouldn’t have had much time process this but if it was something he could’ve seen coming I feel like that would’ve came out right away to protect his last child knowing that she could be taken away I feel it would’ve been the parental instinct and would’ve defended her right away. But then the professional opinions come out and then people go into panic mode and suddenly remember all these things that, would’ve been enough individually to contact some kind of welfare check, esp if it was so casual and out of nowhere. It seems like they all spoke to the dad would probably pleaded for everyone to help him save the only one he has left and started to push the theories in an attempt to help him anyway he can with the pain of losing everyone and then his daughter as welll. It’s totally possible and I know that it could’ve been the mom… I just think it would be so hard for her to casually and calmly make sure they’re dead, resting and resuming and like “ oh, god mom won’t stop, I’m coming mom, I needed a break Jesus.” And go make sure her siblings were dead just because her dying mom told her to and the strength to finish them and just go call dad instead of calling for help right away or asking the neighbor but like no, it’s just a little surprise, see you soon. Tragic and horrific either way and in every account but I can’t be sold that she just did this one day on command and maintain these conversations for hours of them dying.
@@zachritter7013 I agree with your thoughts and logic behind Chloe. I believe she did help her mother and could have saved her siblings, instead she killed them and later admitted to it.
@@zachritter7013 so there's actually a lot of child psychology now that shows repeatedly questioning a child results in them viewing their initial answers as wrong. Most states now mandate that child witnesses and suspects are to only be questioned once with a recording taken because their brains aren't developed enough. Most child witnesses change their stories because of that
Ever heard of the Gitchie Manitou murders? It happened in 1973, it's solved, but a very interesting case.
Thank you for suggesting that case! It's a new one for me.
I have the book called "Gitchie Girl" about that case. It was a great read.I would love to see that story covered.
@@michellevickersdixon1141 yes, I've read that book, very good! I've never seen the case covered by anyone yet. I'm from the area where it happened.
What a crazy story! If the murders were strictly Chloe's idea, what would be the motive? If it was simply attention, it would have shown up again in later life with a boyfriend, husband, child, etc. The Mother seems to have had some MAJOR psychological issues which were backed up by the father, psychiatrist and other witnesses. So sad.
Chloe did have 3 divorces before she died in 1987 at a time when divorce wasn't really accepted in society. Could they have been leaving her because of her mental illnesses?
Have you never lived in a family? There are a lot of motives to kill siblings.
@@paulaegraham- Yes, I've lived in a family and NO ONE in my home ever had a motive strong enough to kill a parent or sibling. I would hate to think I am the exception rather than the rule.
@@ellennewth6305 they are not saying it happens in every family. They are stating family dynamics are complex and have led to murder before.
First, I think the way you covered this case was exemplary (as always, in fact, but this was a particularly weird and difficult one). We can't get into people's heads and so cannot be sure, but if Chloe was responsible then she would have to be very seriously mentally disturbed and I can't see how she could suddenly then switch to a normal adult life. It's a little weird to kill someone to obey your mother, but in such hugely traumatic circumstances it's difficult to judge a person's response.
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This is a tough one.... I am not sure how I feel. But no matter what, we know there are Mary Bells in this world and it's fully possible that Chloe killed everyone in her home. But it doesn't feel that cut and dry in this case. The slit wrists are why I'm failing to think Chloe did it.
You are seriously my favorite true crime RUclipsr! I love the fact that you do vintage cases and I wish I could find more RUclipsrs like you! Also, the research you do and the way you deliver the case is so thorough and well organized. I get so excited every time I see you post!
Thank you for covering this case even though it dealt with mental health. My mom committed suicide in March of 2016 and it has become a mission of mine to make mental health not taboo. When you were discussing how Chloe was so stoic and said she couldn’t cry, it reminded me a lot of how I was at my mom’s funeral. My mom was my best friend, but I could not cry. I really never cried in front of others. I think it was because I felt like I had to be strong for my little brother. Perhaps Chloe, felt like she had to be strong for her dad especially since she had taken part in the murders as her mom had ordered her to do so.
I do not believe Chloe was an evil child. She did not get in trouble with the law again and she went on to have a family of her own (including being a mom) even after all that trauma.
Holy shit @11:34
I didn't know what to think at the first few minutes but.
My mother is bipolar schziophrenic and literally said the same thing to me as a child. She tried to light the house on fire, hid knives around.
I'm not far enough into the video really to make any assumptions but I definately believe it. I've seen so much death by the age of 10 that I just don't react anymore.
Really sorry to hear that happened to you ..🙏💧
Although it does appear Lolita was a good mum, we can never be too sure mental state of mind that day. I have a curious question that you definitely do not have to answer. If your mum had of asked you to kill her, would you have been able to go backwards and forwards hitting her on the head with a hammer?
This is a very interesting case. It isn't weird for people to read books on how to be a good parent. However, in this particular case, which the mother is the focus for the brutal murders of her children, and the factor of the mother's selection of reading material near the time of the death of her and her children makes this factor in her life possibly a telling clue. The fact that the mother read these books on how to be a good parent, and to the extent of these books she owned, sounds like there was possibly an awareness, to a certain extent, by Chole's mother that there was something wrong with herself as a mother. She seemed as if she in a state of great distress searching for answers to resolve her problem. Did the father see anything that his wife did that he thought was peculiar? Or was he in a total oblivion to his home life? I wonder, was there any mental health issues in the mother's family line? I think Chloe sounds like she was a very intelligent kid. However, what doesn't make sense to me the mother telling Chloe to run away or people would believe she had done it. This is a strange response coming from her mother who at that point seems in a total state of mental collapse, and who was unable to have a moment of some thought out scenario. Also, the mother believed that her children needed to be protected from the demons, and in order for her children to be safe, they have to die. Why wasn't her mother not concerned for Chole's protection since Chole was her child as well, and she was not going to die?
The contradictory information in those parenting books is enough to drive a mom crazy! I bet Lolita was like most of us, wanting to give our kids the best and do everything right, but feeling like a failure most of the time. In her psychosis, it's possible she thought she was doing the best for her children though.
Yeah I was wondering that too! I honestly wonder if most of what Chloe said is true EXCEPT for the stuff she said her mother said. Because since the mom died of blood loss from her arms she would have been unconscious way before she would be able to have a whole conversation with Chole. So I almost wonder if the mom killed the other children tried to hurt Chloe but Chloe ran and hid or locked herself somewhere. And the mom thought since she had hit Chloe in the head already that Chloe would die eventually. So she went ahead and slit her wrists and tried to set the fire and then fell unconscious. So Chloe put the fire out when she smelled smoke and her mom was already unconscious but chole hit her mom with the hammer over and over again in fury for what she did to her siblings and tried to do to her. That's why she thought she had killed her mom and claimed her mom told her to kill her. Because she didn't know her mom was already dead from blood loss or close to death. It really wouldn't have been possible for her mother to speak to her and hold a whole conversation. Chloe just made up this stuff about her mom telling her to do it because she really did believe she had killed her mom by hitting her in the head with a hammer and she was trying to find an excuse for that That's honestly what makes the most sense
I also thought that part of her story seemed off. I think part of the reason she said her mom told her to run away was because she wished that her mom had said that and it made it seem like her mom cared about her. So heartbreaking 💔
Not if the mom was bi polar. It could have been parts of her "normal" self coming out. It is pretty common when someone who is bi polar starts coming out of their funk. (Source: my mother was untreated bi polar)
I don’t think people in a psychotic episode always think straight. Her thoughts may have been jumping around.
Ever since I was a child I was never allowed to have emotions.
I'm one that cannot cry either. Her statement I'm crying, it's inside me went straight to my heart because I'm just like that. Something bad happened to me when I was 4 years old I've been broken ever since then.
Chloe was probably in shock and sometimes when ur faced with so much pain you can disassociate, its a way your brain can make you not have a breakdown. Ive experienced major trauma and was in it for yrs, somewhat still am, but the 1 yr after was literally like auto pilot. So in a way I could see Chloe acting somewhat normal and even waving to her friends because thats what u would do in auto pilot, youd think if she was guilty she wouldnt even pick her head up. That dad lived with both of them and he knew who did it.
The little girl was traumatized beyond her young comprehension. Your mom kills your siblings and then has you help kill her. this just broke her emotional side, she remembers but has stepped "out of herself" as such. Her analytical side gives her the story but the emotions are stuffed so far back because she doesn't know how to deal with them and the police and psychiatrist kept asking for details without trying to help her deal with what she had seen...and done. I just hope her adult life gave her peace about what happened when she was 11.
I really enjoyed this video. I know people will have different opinions. I feel, from my own family history concerning mental illnesses through the years, that one needs to take in account how little was actually known about psychiatric illnesses. Also, mental illness was considered a moral defect in many people’s understanding. It was also something to be hid in families by family members.
It is important that she never commented another atrocity. People who are that cold, calculating, and ill don’t just stop committing crimes. She was a productive and creative member of society.
I think it is unfair to claim how someone’s grief should be portrayed. Just my opinion.
Children look at things so different. The out come of her life to me shows that she did not murder her family. Saying she got her brother out of misery could have been a lie because she could not face the fact that he was suffering and then watched him die. We will never know exactly what happened in that house but somehow I doughty she killed her family.
Chloe WAS hit in the head with the hammer, she witnessed her murdered siblings AND saw her mother cut her own wrists with a razor. She was almost certainly in shock. If Chloe was evil as a child, she would have still shown evil tendencies as an adult. I'm sure Chloe was innocent. On the other side, did the police and the doctor believe Chloe hit herself in the head with the hammer?
I believe that Chloe is innocent, but if not, she could definitely have hit herself with the hammer. A famous suicide, originally belived to be murdee, was done by the guy hitting himself more than 20 times in the head with a axe.
Undecided, most interesting, I love the way you put it in perspective, thank you
If the mother believed demons were coming after the children and she needed to kill them to escape them, then why didn’t she kill Chloe? Why let her live?
I wondered that too?
That also puzzled me big time ....
Chloe was the oldest. The mother needed her help to commit suicide after killing the other children.
My mother is schizophrenic and honestly that stuff is both complicated and not at all complicated at the same time. But to explain as best as I can; the delusions experienced are so beyond real, and so if her mother believed that demons were coming after them and she needed to kill herself and her kids before they got them is actually a pretty common one, why she didn’t kill Chloe could be chalked up to she was at the point in her delusions that she couldn’t see the difference. Unfortunately without effective psychiatric care someone experiencing psychotic delusions just can’t separate delusions from reality.
For example my mothers major delusion is that my grandfather SAed me, when he did not. And she hates him for it in the most venomous sense. It doesn’t matter what I have to say because to her I’ve been brainwashed. Or; My ex who experienced psychotic delusions fully believed he had to kill himself in order protect me from the demons coming from my soul. He didn’t improve until he was in proper care and we had separated. We are still friendly with each other.
Maybe she thought all her kids but Chloe was a demon. The woman was clearly mental! But if she thought there were demons in those kids and not in Chloe than that makes sense why she would kill them and get Chloe to help kill her.
First, of all may the souls of the Davis family rest in eternal peace.🌹 Gabby, you did an "excellent" job investigating and presenting these "horrific" murders of this family. I really don't know where to begin to unravel this crime, because it has so many "twists and turns," to it. It definitely was committed by someone who had some deep mental health problems, but whether it was Chloe or her mother who committed these "horrific" murders of their family, we'll probably never really know. I'm curious about the father, do you know whatever happened to him after this case was over? I know you said that, Chloe went on to marry 3 times, had 3 sons etc. I wish she had written a book later in her adult years about her family's murders. Have a fantastic day. Take care 🦋
I always find it interesting that a person's guilt or innocence often hangs on how they react or respond. Everyone is so different.
Idk..I think Chloe's behavior as an adult actually persisted. We see the pattern to strive for attention and recognition. She appeared to be a great person in the community, but in her personal life, three failed marriages?? It would be interesting to know why.
What about Elizabeth Taylor? Married eight times. I don't think in this day and age of easy divorce that this should be a point of whether one is nutso or not. I think when people want to look for fault they will probably find it no matter how stellar a person is, one way or another. What makes a person better or saner because they have never divorced? I say "Ridicuous."
@@janeaparis I agree. Lots of people are divorced both three or four times.
Your assumption that her strive for attention and recognition led to her failed marriages. That's absurd and random bc you have absolutely no idea why any of her marriages failed. Multiple marriages are pretty common, and may have absolutely nothing to do with her alleged involvement in her family's demise.
@@marydeleon3756 I meant for those to be two separate thoughts..her patterns of striving for attention..and her failed marriages..not connected..just two observations about her that COULD BE signs that she's not entirely ok.
Or maybe she had trauma from her mother killing her family and ended up marrying the wrong men impulsively?
Awesome job telling the story in such a respectful and unbiased way Luv. I believe this poor girl only did what her Mama told her to. She obeyed. Keep up the great work telling these mostly forgotten stories, keeping the memories of the victims alive. You're so intelligent, articulate, charismatic, and beautiful to boot. A very well rounded package for great story telling. It's very apparent you care very much for the subjects you present. I believe they'd all be very grateful. God Bless
Wow, what a deeply sad and complicated case. Also, very interesting. It's clear that the mother, extremely sadly, was experiencing severe delusions which were fueling this. I feel like this could have ended up being a "madness of two" just from her mom talking about it and Chloe being young, impressionable, and obedient (but it depends on just how involved Chloe was). On the other hand, it sounds exactly like cases where mothers experiencing psychosis are convinced that killing their children is what will "save" them...so who knows if Chloe was even involved and was just covering for her mom. I think that Chloe may have been changing her story to avoid demonizing her mother...but then realizing that it didn't fit the facts or made herself look so bad that she could lose her freedom. I think the fact that she seemed more mature and calm...not shocked...was having dealt with these thoughts and behavior from her mother before and from pure absolutely horrific shock at such a young age. I think that it's fairly clear that she's not a sociopath, or if she was she lived a pretty normal life despite it and flourished (as far as we know). I just can't imagine something worse or more confusing for an 11 year old child.
This is a crazy story. There is no way it makes any sense. If Chloe awoke to her mother bashing her sisters’ heads in, wouldn’t she have run out of the house in fear to get away and get help? No way. I don’t believe this story. How could an 11 year old little girl do this????? Omg.
Don’t take this personally, but it’s not the first crime by a child, two brothers under the age of 10, murdered their own father after he came home from work, so no one can assume what’s going on in a child’s mind.
Why oh why did none of the psychiatrists who examined her mother did not admit her to hospital? The woman was showing such extreme dangerous delusion in her statements to them. If only one of them had the sense to hospitalize her maybe that dreadful tragedy would have been averted. But who knows for sure? That poor father, I can’t begin to image what the remainder of his life was like. I would love to know more about the remainder of Chloe’s life . Do you think you might be able to do a follow up on her. Thank you for your stories, you tell them so well and they flow so easily to understand. This was not an easy one, so thanks again. ❤
I have lived near L.A. my entire life and I had never heard of this case before.
Wow what a story! Great video.
I don't know what to think about it. On one hand, if the mother believed demons were after her children, why didn't she kill Chloe as well? On the other, would such an evil child go on and live a normal life?
I hate the “respect your elders” rule. Be respectful, but even elders need to earn respect from children. It’s also extremely dangerous to teach your children that.
Great case coverage! Well done. I would love to know about her marriages. What became of her father and are her sons married? While the first Dr. overstepped a lot and was set in his diagnosis, could it have been a set of circumstances where the mother was undiagnosed and the daughter joined in because of a mental health problem? There are so many questions left unanswered to make a definite decision. Thank you for the coverage
Thank you for another interesting & well crafted episode.
I especially like these older vintage episodes. ☮️
One thing that stood out to me was the fact that they questioned her over and over. We now know that children see the repeated questions as them getting an answer wrong so they change it slightly. More questions, more changes. It's not really until puberty that this trend stops and it can be later for neurodivergent children. If she had Autism or ADHD she might also be more prone to full dissociation post trauma.
Just came across your channel today. I had heard of Chloe's case before but you provided a lot more details (yes, even the more horrific ones). Great job bc it couldn't have been an easy story to cover let alone speak about as well as you did.
As a daughter of a schizophrenic mother, I will tell you two things. You are aware of the delusions, and that they can take a dangerous turn at any moment, and that you learn behaviors at an early age, that seem detached. But what you really learn is de-escalation. So, behaviors may seem odd, for a child. Detached, too calm. I know schizophrenia was not well understood at that time, so I can't say that, as a doctor, this first doctor should have taken this into consideration. I don't even find it unusual that, given her statements about harming her children, to family members and psychiatrists, nobody thought to remove her from the home. My mother was not sent away for care until years of, let's say, "behaviors ", and that was in the late 1950's. People would just ignore things, hoping it would, magically, get better with time.
It’s hard when you deal with loss in a more uncommon way. My ex-husband passed on Christmas Day and to avoid attention I made myself cry…. We’d been divorced 6 years and he hadn’t seen our child in over 6 months - I was more angry than sad. His poor lifestyle choices led to his death at age 36…
Idk from what I understand it sounds like Chloe had some form of attachment disorder... I can't imagine what her father went through. R.I.P family 🙏🙏🙏🙏
My one question is this. What made Chloe so special that she was allowed to be "free" of the evil of these "demons"? "Oh no sweetie, youre the chosen one. Now bash mamma good so I get it done all properly"?? 🤔🤔🤨🤨
Wow I had never heard of this story. Very interesting and a great cover of the story.
The mother could have depression and having to move back and forth between Michigan and California many times.
Chloe could have been jealous of her siblings as well.
I read in articles that Chloe would have fits toward her mother if she didn't get her way.
The children if they lived would have been in their 90s.
Very sad strange tragic story. 😪
the way the psychologist spoke about chloe really turns my stomach. yes, its totally possible for 11 year olds to murder, and be violent and impulsive and completely lack empathy, but its really obvious she was in shock. from the descriptions of it, that ""cold"" demeanor of hers just seems more of a shutting-down, dissociate from the situation type of thing rather than malice or lack of feelings
and at that age, a child can understand their actions but that doesn't mean they fully comprehend the weight of it. hell, at her age, i stomped on my sibling's crotch over a root beer and felt no remorse of it then! so her behavior isn't totally out of left field for me, even if it might be unsettling to some.
idk. maybe im just sensitive to this sort of thing because im autistic and i *know* that if i was in chloe's shoes the police would've seen me ""reacting wrong"" and pegged me as guilty, but i just really hate the line of investigation that's just like "this person isn't acting exactly how we expect therefore they're guilty!". especially when it *is* a normal reaction, it just not what the investigators expected. yknow what i mean?
Another strange case with ties to Michigan. I swear the majority of us are sane
I agree with you. If she was guilty, she would not have been able to live a so called Normal life.,
The most unbelievable part of this case for me is that a real, non-anime character human being was named "Lolita Doll" even if it was spelled Dahl
Wow! Crazy story! Thanks for sharing
What a story!!! I love watching your videos, you're always in my thoughts and prayers.
Oh my goodness!! I just discovered you and I must say I absolutely love you and your stories... Such a beautiful young lady... You remind me of a cross between Betty Paige, Elizabeth Short and Dita Von teese ❤️❤️Thank you for being here doll face... I look forward to listening to everything!!! Xoxo🌷🫂😊
The question that you said before you began the story. I said Gabby is tripping. Because you should always listen to your parents if you have good parents! But you did it again . This story should provide some lively discussion .
Such a very tragic case. I feel you did an excellent job of telling this story. My heart goes out to Chloe. I feel she was innocent. I believe she was in shock is why she showed no emotion. It would be hard for an adult to process something of this magnitude. Based on the facts of her mother's psychological mental instability that was documented before this tragedy happened said a whole lot. I being from the older generation know we were raised as children to obey our parents without question. I believe Chloe did exactly that. It appears that Chloe lived a normal life as possible after this tragedy. May she RIP now with her family.
Over zealous detectives see only what they want to see. Their job is to prepare the case for prosecution.
Thankfully saner heads prevailed and for once the justice system seems to have worked.
This tale so tragic. For a child in shock to be put through all this and then, years after the acquittal by the Coroner's Jury, for the psychiatrist to publish his unsubstantiated theory as if it were fact is almost unbelievable.
Thanks for another really well researched case Gabby. You always put a lot of sympathy and care into your work and it shows.
I see you got a recent shout out on Lamont at Large. 👍
Just found you. I love that you do old cases. It’s very cool!
I also reconsider the narrative in many cases having to do with murders ty great presentation
You done absolute great job in telling the story in an unbiased way. I will give the opinion online because I do not know these people and they're not interviewing them I think people that do give their opinion online without knowing the full truth and the person itself. Those kind of people that just spend their lives judging. . I am a mental health worker I've been for 20 years. I worked in all kind of different situations and different fields. So I know what I'm talking about when I say other people have much better to do but be negative online to others
I literally just found your channel and I am loving it . Kudos to you
Love love love love your hair!!!! Mega stunning. I’m gobsmacked.
OK, you asked. I’m 70 now, but I’ve never been able to express emotions like other people. In addition, when I’m in an awful situation, I tend to be rather robotic. I do what needs to be done. It seems to be a split opinion as to whether I am a very high functioning autistic, or something else that gets pulled out of hat. When I was very young, I had a number of adults tell me to do things (or not do them), which turned out to be the worst thing I could have done, however, it took me getting older to realize that lots of times the grownups talked out of their asses. I’m a great person to have around when very bad things are happening, but don’t mistake my not crying for being a-ok.
Longer videos are so much better and the view’s show that ❤
I love anything you post but I need longer ones😂
I just came across your channel. I love the way you presented the story. Looking forward to viewing more.
I’m sorry I don’t believe a child would do something so horrific just because their mother said so. Especially if they love their siblings. Most kids put up a fight from the simplest request. Like eat all your food, take a bath, go to bed. I just can’t believe I child could do this and remain so calmly. Why did her mother choose to kill all the other children except her if she believes they’re all evil? This is just how I feel don’t come for me. Well you can but I will still fill the same way. She did all this and had daddy alll to herself. Watching her sitting there reading the paper was it for me. I also believe this poor father psyche wouldn’t let him entertain the fact that his only child he had left did such a thing. Yes I believe Chloe got her way and lived happily ever after.
You did a great job Gabby. I'm at the end of your video, and I STILL have no idea what to think!
I'm stuck on the mattress part.
I wonder if it's possible that both Chloe and her mother were sociopaths.
that is absolutely a possibility, mental disorders can be inherited.
Glad someone covered it!
Wondering why one person couldn’t stop the other in the act or run outside since it was so many people I’d think while one murder was occurring there wills be screaming and fighting while 1 of 4 children would wake up and run for help
Do you know if her father ever remarried or had another family? I wonder if he would have risked it. I wonder if they remained close as she became older. I don’t think she was mentally ill, as the Dr. believed. At such a young age it (any psychotic tendencies) would not have stopped but would have become all consuming as she aged. It’s a very sad story but thank you for covering it.
Lolita is such a beautiful Spanish name. If only non Spanish speakers knew what it truly means 🤣🤣🤣🤣 (it is the diminitive for Dolores and can be roughly translated as "little pain").
First any "psychiatrist" who sees a child as that sexuality motivated that young either has a sexually abused child on their hands or the "doctor" has his own disturbing issues. Second I would imagine anyone who woke up to this would be in complete shock. Third I can believe the father would try to avoid, for many reasons, having to tell those preceeding events. Fourth if you have ever lived with a very emotionally unstable individual, and I have, your greatest and safest armor becomes hiding every emotion until the stronger the emotion the more you feel the need to hide it. The more emotionally unstable they become the more you cling to the opposite. Fith there is no guide book or guidance I was given for how to deal with loss. Sudden unexpected loss is enough to shut you down. My Great Aunt who was my regular stability and caregiver while my parents delt with my constantly sick sister suddenly died when I was only 6. I knew nor understood she hadn't been well and had medical conditions until then. I woke up to basically be told that she had been so big because she had to much water in her body and weighed to much and had relaxed to much the night before and suffocated under her own weight. At least that's how I remember the explanation. If you've read this far then thank you, but also take a moment to imagine how that explanation might have affected a 6 year old child's mind. Before I go on I will just say that this was turned out to be the sanitized version my, at the time very northern Baptist Mother told me, but the full truth she later gave me explained many things in my Great Aunt's home. She actually died while doing a Deep Meditation technique she was using to do a Seance for a client. The irony actually just hit me writing this that she died while trying to contact the dead again and I'm torn between 🤣 and 😭 but really 🤯😒. Okay putting the slightly dark and sarcastic sense of humor aside that I've grown over many years since all of this. Being serious again, I just nodded and was very quiet and still as I went numb as she made sure I understood what dead meant because it was my first. By the time she left the best I can describe it is nothing felt real because in so many ways my world had just ended. I couldn't imagine it without her 💔. Until then I have more memories even to this day of her than my family until this point. I remember standing next to her casket just looking at her the whole funeral visitation I was brought to. I remember to this day the look on my Uncle's face when he came up next to me and I could see tears in his eyes and I put my hand on his lower arm and gave a couple little squeezes thinking I should do something because he was so upset wanting to offer comfort and not knowing how. There were many private emotions there that are not mine to tell but as he stared into my face the last two seemed to be a bit of confusion and a type of discomfort I thought might be my fault. I think he went to my father concerned because I was vaguely aware of everyone else as if from a great distance or as if muted by a window from my own quieter room within myself. I would find myself in that metaphorical room many times again. Anyway my Dad then came up and started crying and again, maybe not wanting to touch the hand he had on the casket I put my hand just above his wrist. He was so distraught that I said the only thing I could think of "it's okay". He nodded seem to pull it together a bit and reached out and put his hand on hers and said to me it's okay you can touch her. I said "no, that's not her" he looked me in the eyes so intensely then and with such intensity like he was searching for something that I turned and just stared up into a corner and said "I don't really think she's gone but that's no longer her". He then looked unsettled, maybe even a little scared and walked away too. It wasn't until about a week later after being told I could choose some things from her place to take and being denied the large purple crystal that was always in the middle of her living room table when I came to stay and as we were leaving with her car and I realized it was for the last time that I broke.
Wow. Super spooky story. You did an excellent job being impartial on the theories Gabby -- I didn't know where I came down until the end when I chose to believe Chloe's story.
I believe the one person who really messed things up in this case was Barton himself. By changing his story about his wife's mental health - he created suspicion about the most important fact in this case. Once you change your story so blatantly - you permanently destroy your credibility.
One thing though . . . You warned us that there would be graphic photos but I didn't see any. ??
Graphic descriptions, not photos.
You should cover the case of Wendi Long from Martin, Louisiana. I worked with her while in college. Her murderer was the cousin of a guy I’d dated before.
I would love to see someone cover an old case from Pennsylvania... the Blue Eyed Six and Moon Shine Church.
Part of the issue in DeRiver's analysis is that forensic psychiatry as we know it today was in its infancy at best. I don't know what was written in DeRiver's book, but I think that it is unethical for a psychiatrist who examined a patient to publicly comment on that patient's case history. That is for a qualified medical ethicist to discuss. The only one who could have stated the entire truth is Chloe herself. I agree that it is a shame that she did not write a book or otherwise discuss publicly her case.
Its terrifying that that quacks books went on to be a text book for the police, if thats true.
Fabulosis, I love that "Betty Page" look !! "Kissss!!"
Obviously none of us will ever know exactly what happened as we weren't there but it seems likely the mother killed them. Chloe probably was dealing with so many emotions she just checked out in attempt to stay sane. I don't think she would have been able to do as much as she said though, hitting anyone 50 times in the head with a hammer and making it nearly break is a feat anyone would struggle with. I think it's more likely her brain just provided a some what plausible assumption to fill in a gap in her memory due to her dissasosiating. I'd also bet she was helping to raise those 3 children and seeing them dead would have pushed her further in to shock and dissasosiating. It also probably left her with survivors guilt and she blamed herself for their deaths, which impacted how she told her story. I feel very bad for her. For the whole not crying bit, some people just don't cry easily or often, that or it hadnt hit her until the court date that what had happened was real, which isn't too uncommon.
I'd like to know how her father coped afterward. That poor man...I feel so sorry for him.
First time seeing you and love how you tolded this story. Can't wait to see the next one.
When you were talking about Chloe's reaction to the murders, I could only think, "She's in a state of shock." ( When my husband died, I didn't cry for about a week and a half. We had been married for almost 42 years,) Chloe's innocent.
Chloe was forced to do her Mothers bidding for sure. I work with children and, although I am not a child physiatrist, I've studied the effects with adult say or do have on children. So, obviously, when you teach your child to also do what you're told, they will do it, especially if they love , and therefore trust, that person. This is why, when I work with kids, I always tell them that they should listen to adults but also question them if they are uncomfortable or does not agree. You should listen, but not obey if whatever's been told to you makes you feel bad.
Idk I started out being on the side of the cops but when it was brought up that Lolita saw different psychiatrists and they said yes she was feeling this way then I was starting to be swayed away from Chloe being responsible.
If it was just the kids who were killed, I'd be more likely to believe Chloe to be solely responsible. But the mattress and the amount of time and effort it would've taken to murder her mother makes it more likely that some version of Chloe's own account must be true.
I was not expecting the name Bjorkman
Its not uncommon especially in the older yrs for people to be more mature at a very young age
Such a sad case!!
She was in shock, poor baby....
I came across it a couple of years ago.... awful 😢
Very horribly devastating.. 😢
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Today, the fact Chloe had a head injury would have been taken into consideration for her stoic behavior. She could have sustained a head injury that should have been investigated further by a medical professional and could have explained her lack of outer emotions.
I think she would have done as her mother told her if for no other reason than fear. It wouldn't be the first time a person did as the killer ask them in hopes their life would be spared. I think as in many cases, especially back during those times it was more a case of lazy investigation. being the issue. The faster you could wrap up the case the better it would look on your resume. She was a child, they probably figure eventually she would have time to live her life as a free woman once she came of age, they wouldn't put a child to death, yet these grown men would gain notoriety and tenure based on wrapping the case up with a bow. I think the fact Chloe never "murdered" again and was able to raise her own sons with no incidents that she most likely was innocent. No way she could mask a lifetime of psychosis and it not manifest in some way even if it was by "accidental" deaths of pets, or people around her.
i’m 1 year late to this but i also think that what added was probably the fact that children should supposedly always obey. the stress of the situation was probably intense beyond our imagination, so the child did what she was told in autopilot mode, trusting the mother. also as a kid i believed everything my mother told me. so if an adult was having a massive episode talking about what needs to be done and devils and suchh, it’s not that bizarre to imagine that chloe was just scared to death and followed instructions.
Agreeing largely with @@paarmitashukla Back in those days, children were brought up to be 'blindly' obedient to their parents (and indeed, all adults). So not exactly 'fear', just obedience training.
But Shiree, you are correct, many police investigations back then were clearly motivated on speedy resolution, and quite dubious methods.
Psychosis (having false beliefs- often from schizophrenia)? Or Psychopathy ( antisocial personality disorder, sometimes referred to as sociopathy)? 2 completely different things, but neither are guaranteed to lead to murder the way you say.
The cops thought Chloe displayed signs of psychopathy- due to her lack of emotions. Today an, 11 yo cannot be diagnosed with ASPD (antisocial personality disorder) you have to be 18+, conduct disorder is the precursor to ASPD that Chloe may have had- although I haven't heard yet that she had the history of defiance, violence, and disobedience necessary to get this severe diagnosis.
Lolita (mom) apparently suffered from psychosis (delusions of demons etc). Psychosis does not typically lead to violence, in fact, they are much more likely to be the victim of crime. These people suffer so much discrimination already, the last thing they need is people acting like they are natural born killers.
The little girl definitely was in a dissociative state. Psychiatry has left those old Freudian interpretations behind. It's good that her father defended her so effectively.
Freud was actually bang on.
Oedipus and Electra Complexes came about because Freud's original theory that young women experiencing extreme emotional swings were being sexually abused by their fathers was instead changed to the onus being on the young girls "wanting" it.
Freud was spot on.
It was the powerful men that were diddling their daughters that decided his work needed to be changed.
I agree completely. I remember when my father died, I was totally numb for a few years afterward. I couldn’t understand my lack of reaction as I never shed a tear I couldn’t cry and didn’t for many years after. I adored the ground he walked on and he was my rock and inspiration. He had the most beautiful mind of anyone I knew. Sorry for being so long winded.
It drives me nuts when police think that someone’s affect and reaction is an indicator of guilt. Not showing grief? Guilty! Showing too much grief? Guilty!
It’s hard to imagine that an 11 year old child in 1940 with no internet could have masterminded this quadruple homicide so flawlessly.
The really messed up part is they did studies and have found people who have been cops for more than a few years are WORSE at reading body language than the average person. Their ablity to read body language actually gets worse the longer they are cops.
All this. My husband and I are disgustingly in love. I always fear what would happen if he or I went missing because we are both prone to full blown emotional shut down or dissociation.
I couldn't agree more!
Kind of like the grief the poor roommate in the recent quadruple college apartment murder has been raked over the coals for not calling the police, due to her trauma.
Plus how did an 11 year old easily over power an adult?
I’m a massive true crime fan and have heard all of the “main” stories so I love that you cover older stories that I’ve never heard of. New subscriber earned!
Me too! Unfortunately popular older murder cases especially unsolved ones really never have anything new to learn . It’s always the same info told a little different depending on the presenter . I love watching Gabby since she covers a lot of a cases I have never heard of
When I was 11, my baby cousin, who was my best friend, died due to an extremely rare disease similar to leukemia. I stayed in shock/denial for literal years. I was almost 13 when my grandpa medically should have died, but thank god pulled through, and this is what really jolted me out of shock/denial and allowed me to grieve. I remember that I would tell people about her very matter-of-fact-ly, like I had read about her in a book, showing little emotion. I'm not saying it's impossible for this girl to have faked it all and she was a sociopath, but it sounds like shock to me.
My mother was found dead just inside the front door by my father back in 93.She suffered a massive heart attack.I was 35 she was 63.At first I was not able to control my emotions. I was mad, I was hurt,I was crying and I couldn't get a hold of myself. My father made me come down to Florida. They moved from MD to Florida in79. After she was brought back to MD so she could be buried in Arlington Cemetery. My father served 32yrs in the Army. I couldn't show any emotion by that time. After talking with my Great Aunt I realized the emotions I did show in the beginning were brought on by the anger and betrayal I felt. I wasn't close to her. My mother made sure I knew I wasn't wanted. I was often told if abortion was legal in 57 she would of had one. She was very abusive. I do mean abusive. Hands burnt on the stove, beat with a wire coat hanger, made to eat out of the trash can for dinner, clothes cut to shreds. The day she died she had been talking to my Great Aunt and told her she was waiting for me to call her. She was going to talk to me about the way she had treated me and the things she had said. She died before she had the chance.I don't think I would of believed her. I would of thought she was clearly her conscious. I have never forgiven her, nor do I want to. She was an evil, despicable, mother. I will hate her till the day I die and not feel one bit of sorrow for those feelings.
No matter how strong they thought her, theres no way Chloe could've physically overpowered her mother & moved her around. She couldnt even have carried a '40s mattress herself. These men sound like witch hunters- demonising a child deeply in shock. If her siblings had been alive when she woke up, maybe she would've refused her mother. Maybe she was scared she'd be hammered if she didnt do what Lolita said. In the trial there was a parade of witnesses who'd heard Lolita say a lot of dodgy stuff- I think initially Barton wanted to spare Lolita's reputation (or didn't want to be blamed for not having done more) Awful awful case.
I think the mother had some serious mental illnesses going on, but was trying to be a good mom (the child raising books) and just couldn't. My guess is she was pretty strict and controlling and most of the story Chloe told was true. She may have changed a few parts like the part about her mother telling her to run away. That seemed off to me. Especially because up to that point she said she'd done everything her mom told her to do. I think that's what she wanted her mom to have said because that would make it seem like her mother cared about her. It's all extremely sad!
I heard about this case some years ago. Glad you covered it. Chloe had a head injury or at minimum a concussion. She was probably very confused with this injury not to mention traumatized . Doesn’t seem people took that inconsideration at that time. Poor girl. Glad she went on to have a normal life.
Yes! I forgot about Chloe's head injury too. You are quite right. It could have affected her judgement. Her coldness and remote attitude could have been a result of shock. What a terrible experience for all of them! I think it's wrong that people are fed the concept of demons (often by churches). Most healthy people can deal with it, particularly if they have faith in God and goodness, but there are some who become overtaken with fear, which helps no-one.
An 11 year old child survived a nightmare and then was blamed for causing the nightmare because she showed no emotion. 11 years old, I saw my dog run over by a car, I barely spoke for 2 days other than to blame myself for allowing the dog off the leash. Weeks pass with me blaming myself. 11 year olds are children, Dr de River treated this child like an adult. Her story stayed the same, she was in shock, that was the reason for no emotional outburst. I’m glad she went forward in life.
You're right. And not just children. Many people dissociate in reaction to trauma and grief.
Did you go back to the house where the horrific murders took place in Chloe's case, and watch as she has no emotion looking at all the blood, the bedrooms, the kitchen, the mattress etc., No, you didn't. No one could ever look at such a horrific site and not feel something. In fact, she was more than happy to go. Chloe murdered her family.
He was probably a closeted ped obsessing about her and cooked up controversy to get closer to her. Only peds so blatantly baselessly represent a child unrealistically characterized as an adult and then, spin a sexual angle onto them. Might have been his sick fantasy. Disgusting fuckers.
@@JesusismyRock773…you have literally NO idea. Trauma manifests in many ways. Some people become emotional in such a terrible situation. Other people completely shut down and to into autopilot. I’m one of the latter. When my brother died, I didn’t show feelings for months and months. I wanted to, but I couldn’t. Even at his wake, funeral, while holding my sobbing family, while looking through his old toys and pictures of us. It took months and therapy for me to finally be able to cry and cope.
You have NO IDEA about trauma. Quit acting like it’s completely black and white.
@JesusismyRock773
I politely disagree. Trauma looks different in various degrees. Even till this day, some people can't handle emergencies and freak out. Others, step in and handle the situation. Some disassociate and others lose it.
I can't see an 11 year old over powering that many people and moving a 1930s mattress by themselves.
This is one of the first true crime cases I ever heard of. I’m so happy you are covering it! Thank you for being so compassionate when covering your cases. ❤️