It's pretty late, but people don't call him a god because of evo parry. The Japanese are the ones who referred to Daigo as 2d god before Americans did. Nuki actually coined the 5 gods of japan and had Daigo and himself as the 2 gods. He later added Tokido, Sako, and Haitani. And Daigo has been a top player at various games other than Street Fighter. He was a vampire savior champion. He was a top ggxx player too. In fact, he had a kumite where he went 35-2 and won many tournaments.
Man, it's funny now to think about how I used to be amazed by Daigo's GGXX play. (In fact, it's what got me into serious fighting game play in the first place.) He had good execution for damn sure, but he made some INCREDIBLY random decisions that weren't, like, calculatedly "random" (as though that makes sense) to fuck with people. He just does the least rational thing possible to see if it screws with people and/or hits them, with a wildly variable success rate. Only thing that really saved him was that he had his Dust Loops on lock. The Evo 2K3 footage of him is especially embarassing, both him and his opponent in GF kinda flail around drunkenly, except Daigo finishes his combos and wins basically on that alone. Not that hard to see why he fell off in #R, he clearly didn't take Gear that seriously. As the game evolved he's all like "everybody's in here learning matchups and mixups and footsies and shit and I kinda just want to DP counterhit or RC/Grand Viper RC/command grab into one absurd corner combo. Back to SF/Vampire I guess." (full disclosure: I still love Daigo and I for DAMN sure love the Dust Loop. Greatest combo ever.)
***** I'm not trying to blow up Daigo too hard. I watched videos of his play at SBO and Evo2k3 and it's clear there's at least a little method to his madness (which I hope I made clear up above...it's not so much that he's being an idiot here in casual play as he is partially fucking with people, partially figuring out the risk::reward ratio on the more YOLO Sol maneuvers. He wants to see what happens when he gets blown up on YOLO shit so he can figure out -- how badly can I be punished for doing this? And more importantly, is this player focused/practiced enough to CONSISTENTLY punish me for doing this, versus choking on the punish and giving me a reversal opportunity of my own?). And if he had stuck with the game in the long term I think he WOULD have developed his experience to the point where he's mentioned (seriously) in the same breath as Roi, Machaboo, P.C., 012, etc. His risks would have gotten more and more calculated a la his Street Fighter maneuvers rather than throwing Grand Vipers/DPs at the wall to see what sticks. But as it is, he's mostly a historical curiosity at this point -- an interesting look at the very early XX metagame, where the game was actually becoming quite playable rather than the FDC-laden one-touch mess that was GGX. (Vanilla Faust and Slayer notwithstanding.) He started from a high baseline because he had good fundamentals, great optimization, and picked a character who played VERY well to his strengths. But his drive to pursue Gear wasn't as high as others, and so he left the game before he would eventually get left behind. I watched him play Xrd on the stream as well, where he plays closer to his more-serious SBO self rather than his semi-trolly casual self. It's clear he respects the game for what it is and understands very well how it works. But in the end, he picked Street Fighter as his bread and butter over Guilty Gear (a fair enough decision, given his SF performance), so my expectation is that he'll keep focusing his training efforts on that rather than going deeper on Xrd. And again, I really don't mean to be too harsh to Daigo here. (Sorry if it looked that way). If not for the video of him chipping out Zakiyama's I-no with 4x Gun Flame FRC, I wouldn't be playing these games as seriously as I do, and I certainly wouldn't be writing essays like these. Daigo's play is still silly to watch. But I owe my serious competitive interest in these games largely to his YOLO antics. I'm not laughing at him nearly so much as I'm laughing at myself.
A lot of people who don't know about japanese fighting game scene write lies about Daigo and fighting game scene.Even they don't know Ume-Nuki or Ogany I think.Daigo was one of the best player of GGXX.Stop telling a lie,please...ウソつくのやめろや
Daigo didn't "barely play" GG when it was released. He played it alot around 2003-2004, but as time went on he slowly wasn't able to compete at a tournament level anymore so he dropped the game somewhere around the mid-life of Slash.
@ikarugalover674 Exactly. Thank you! If you guys want to see some REAL players, look at Miyako, Lime-Key, Miyako and the many other great Guilty players. Also, for those who think he's really good for how long he's been playing, he was playing way before Accent Core and STILL got destroyed in it.
@YESthisnamesnottaken There is. He doesn't go insane or anything and if I'm not mistaken, I think he was playing against a Potemkin player. He just kinda walks off a little upset.
Daigo is good with Ryu because he knows the spacing and zoning game exceptionally well. He also doesn't crack under pressure. He knows when to attack and when to hang back and he rarely misses combos.
@SluggerJR even though There are videos of him using Tsubaki, Hakumen, and Jin. And the fact that Kaqn has a separate player card just for Jin. that and now in Extend he has a pretty high PSR count with Jin. (yes I know Extend hands PSR out like Candy.)
@ToxicTeapot thats not true daigo actually has won first in guilty gear tournaments i think he just chose to focus on street fighter because he is better at it
@Th3SilentOn3 IT´s not like thats years ago s and he switched probably at that time to CVS2 and 3s. He could if he wanted also master GGXX no doubt about such kind of a player.
reminded me of a C. Viper vs. Sagat match in SF4. That Millia player is good, but it takes alot to do decent damage, while Sol is more of a heavy hitter.
Is this some kind of an earlier arcade release of SLASH? I haven't played slash myself, but all I can see in other videos is that Sol doesn't have the dustloop any more, only the sidewinder loop.
@SluggerJR You also have to realize that kaqn doesn't main Millia, he mains Order Sol/Sol. He subs: Every other character in the game XD. no He mainly uses Millia when he feels like it. He does the same in Blazblue, Mains Ragna but subs: Tsubaki, Jin, and hakumen.
It's odd though. This was quite a whiles back and Kaqn's main isn't even Millia I'm pretty sure. If Daigo was to play Guilty Gear now though, he'd get his ass handed to him.
@ToxicTeapot That's not true. Daigo stopped GG because he was also playing other games at the time (CVS2, 3rd strike, 2X) and it was not possible to acheive and maintain a top level in all those games. He made a choice and let GG go.
Why is this comment getting so many negatives? It's true. Daigo was good, but there are a lot of better players out there in GGXX. For instance, Ogawa (eddie), FAB (Potemkin), Daguro (robo ky)...etc.
Oh please. You have to take everything into account when dealing with a situation like this. From your sentence, I'd say you are as familiar with this as a new born baby is with Calculus! Skill-wise, the character you pick can automatically limit down everything about you. If you haven't noticed, Daigo rarely goes for characters who require thought. Sol is the EASIEST character and it comes to the point that simply for getting a close match vs Kaqn, Kaqn is better than him.
@SluggerJR rofl. Well, let me simplify it, maybe that way even someone of your level manage to understand: "Since when the hell hight tier became God Tier?", Also, my little friend, "MU" for Mi and So is 11-9, obviously such a Godlike...
It's not the charactor, it's the guy playing it who makes him look good. This video is pretty evident that either charactor's combos can be abused but daigo is just a beast.
even though daigo is good i think kagn shouldve won. i think that milia also takes low damage for some reason since the guy kagn landed so many hits. i would think sol would be dead after that last round.
What you're saying is that someone was only a good player because they used a highly effective combo which their character possessed. Its like saying Mike Tyson was a great boxer just cause he used his fists. You're entitled to have an opinion; irrationality, on the other hand, has no excuse.
@Slapmaster5000 Well he isnt a god, and I was responding to Toxic's comment . Because he was putting down Daigo, even though it is true that Daigo is not an omnipotent being. He's just really really good at his craft. When you spout out tons of insults that doesnt give off the impression that you are calm. Please go away.
lol dude, do you know who Kahn is? Look him up, Daigo found that he wasn't tournament worthy enough in Guilty Gear, that's why he quit, he's much better at games like CVS 2 or SF Third Strike and such. Guilty Gear is almost a different planet. Kahn however is one of the top heads of Guilty Gear play.
See. Now you're viewing it as if you only played fighters after 2009. If you never actually bothered to look at your history. EVERY Street Fighter title makes it on EVO. Doesn't matter if it bad or not. It's still there. That the reason why it's on EVO. Hell 3rd Strike was the black sheep of SF series but it was still on EVO regardless.
@ToxicTeapot He isnt a god for being good at any game. He just likes beat em up games. And winning. He stayed with in the bounds of what hes good at; Street Fighter. So yea.
This has nothing to do with Tiers. As OviasMire and Guayaba said, Cammy is an excellent example of a character that can easily take out Sagat. I don't mind admitting it. Hell, I've lost a few times to a Cammy player, and alot of times against Balrog/Bison. Sagat takes alot of skill to use in all Street Fighters because of a low number of invincible frames, average priority, low speed, and high delay. Even his repeated projectile use is dodgeable.
As someone who plays Sagat, I can tell you straight forward he isn't broken. Sure, he's practically like a powerful machine gun. However, there are alot of weekness to Sagat that's very easy for the opponent to exploit if the Sagat players don't know what they're doing. Same with Sol. I go against a really good Sol player in the Guilty Gear series and found that there are openings that can be taken advantage of. I say those openings are enough of a balance for those characters.
Oh, pssh. Sol only had incredibly faster recovery times, overly huge damage, high priority with easily spammable attacks, and a rather high health count. Broken? ...pretty much.
Of course Sol would be hard to beat with his ridiculous damage output, I think we all had first hand experience at getting Dust Loop'ed. That said I think kaqn was taking a little too many risks against a Sol, and like I admit, a rather weak Sol but nevertheless gotta be careful. Like you said yourself, the DP was obvious especially since that's pretty much all he did all game. I'm not disagreeing with you bro, but I think kaqn lacked focus, which comes in hand with skill I say. Ah well....
Daigo isn't the god of Guilty Gear...but he stills with the title "God of 2D Fighting Games"...and any of these top players youre saying is called like this (y'
@ikarugalover674 It'd be nice to see people stop giving credit to Daigo just cause he's good at Street Fighter. He's not that good at this game in all honesty.
I don't know which's the most random in fighting games between Kusoru's Sol and Daigo's Sol.
Always a joy to watch Kaqn fighting :3
It's pretty late, but people don't call him a god because of evo parry. The Japanese are the ones who referred to Daigo as 2d god before Americans did. Nuki actually coined the 5 gods of japan and had Daigo and himself as the 2 gods. He later added Tokido, Sako, and Haitani. And Daigo has been a top player at various games other than Street Fighter. He was a vampire savior champion. He was a top ggxx player too. In fact, he had a kumite where he went 35-2 and won many tournaments.
Man, it's funny now to think about how I used to be amazed by Daigo's GGXX play. (In fact, it's what got me into serious fighting game play in the first place.)
He had good execution for damn sure, but he made some INCREDIBLY random decisions that weren't, like, calculatedly "random" (as though that makes sense) to fuck with people. He just does the least rational thing possible to see if it screws with people and/or hits them, with a wildly variable success rate. Only thing that really saved him was that he had his Dust Loops on lock. The Evo 2K3 footage of him is especially embarassing, both him and his opponent in GF kinda flail around drunkenly, except Daigo finishes his combos and wins basically on that alone.
Not that hard to see why he fell off in #R, he clearly didn't take Gear that seriously. As the game evolved he's all like "everybody's in here learning matchups and mixups and footsies and shit and I kinda just want to DP counterhit or RC/Grand Viper RC/command grab into one absurd corner combo. Back to SF/Vampire I guess."
(full disclosure: I still love Daigo and I for DAMN sure love the Dust Loop. Greatest combo ever.)
Have you seen him did 5 random volcanic and and gramd viper in a row.It's damn hilarious!
***** I'm not trying to blow up Daigo too hard. I watched videos of his play at SBO and Evo2k3 and it's clear there's at least a little method to his madness (which I hope I made clear up above...it's not so much that he's being an idiot here in casual play as he is partially fucking with people, partially figuring out the risk::reward ratio on the more YOLO Sol maneuvers. He wants to see what happens when he gets blown up on YOLO shit so he can figure out -- how badly can I be punished for doing this? And more importantly, is this player focused/practiced enough to CONSISTENTLY punish me for doing this, versus choking on the punish and giving me a reversal opportunity of my own?).
And if he had stuck with the game in the long term I think he WOULD have developed his experience to the point where he's mentioned (seriously) in the same breath as Roi, Machaboo, P.C., 012, etc. His risks would have gotten more and more calculated a la his Street Fighter maneuvers rather than throwing Grand Vipers/DPs at the wall to see what sticks. But as it is, he's mostly a historical curiosity at this point -- an interesting look at the very early XX metagame, where the game was actually becoming quite playable rather than the FDC-laden one-touch mess that was GGX. (Vanilla Faust and Slayer notwithstanding.) He started from a high baseline because he had good fundamentals, great optimization, and picked a character who played VERY well to his strengths. But his drive to pursue Gear wasn't as high as others, and so he left the game before he would eventually get left behind.
I watched him play Xrd on the stream as well, where he plays closer to his more-serious SBO self rather than his semi-trolly casual self. It's clear he respects the game for what it is and understands very well how it works. But in the end, he picked Street Fighter as his bread and butter over Guilty Gear (a fair enough decision, given his SF performance), so my expectation is that he'll keep focusing his training efforts on that rather than going deeper on Xrd.
And again, I really don't mean to be too harsh to Daigo here. (Sorry if it looked that way). If not for the video of him chipping out Zakiyama's I-no with 4x Gun Flame FRC, I wouldn't be playing these games as seriously as I do, and I certainly wouldn't be writing essays like these. Daigo's play is still silly to watch. But I owe my serious competitive interest in these games largely to his YOLO antics. I'm not laughing at him nearly so much as I'm laughing at myself.
A lot of people who don't know about japanese fighting game scene write lies about Daigo and fighting game scene.Even they don't know Ume-Nuki or Ogany I think.Daigo was one of the best player of GGXX.Stop telling a lie,please...ウソつくのやめろや
@HinataChan30 Not so sure about #Reload. Vanilla however...he was like top 5 characters. Mostly due to that lame dustloop for free damage.
Daigo didn't "barely play" GG when it was released. He played it alot around 2003-2004, but as time went on he slowly wasn't able to compete at a tournament level anymore so he dropped the game somewhere around the mid-life of Slash.
To the downvoters this isn't entirely incorrect, things are much better in GGXX #Reload and the subsequent revisions.
@ikarugalover674
Exactly. Thank you! If you guys want to see some REAL players, look at Miyako, Lime-Key, Miyako and the many other great Guilty players. Also, for those who think he's really good for how long he's been playing, he was playing way before Accent Core and STILL got destroyed in it.
@YESthisnamesnottaken
There is. He doesn't go insane or anything and if I'm not mistaken, I think he was playing against a Potemkin player. He just kinda walks off a little upset.
Daigo is good with Ryu because he knows the spacing and zoning game exceptionally well. He also doesn't crack under pressure. He knows when to attack and when to hang back and he rarely misses combos.
All I ever hear when sol does that flame sword move is "DUMPLING!!!" "DUMPLING!!"
@SluggerJR even though There are videos of him using Tsubaki, Hakumen, and Jin. And the fact that Kaqn has a separate player card just for Jin. that and now in Extend he has a pretty high PSR count with Jin. (yes I know Extend hands PSR out like Candy.)
@ToxicTeapot thats not true daigo actually has won first in guilty gear tournaments i think he just chose to focus on street fighter because he is better at it
Sol's sidewinder loop here is so powerful and can be connected into any string if you have 50% tension lols
@reixo This is the first GGXX. After that came Reload, than Slash, than Accent Core.
Defiantly is. After seeing his Order Sol and Ragna play. Probably Top 10.
@Kuya1991
Actually, theres some footage of him playing continuum shift as a Pink Ragna I think
the videos got poooooorr quiality tho.
I know a good player who mains Chipp. Though, he rarely plays fighters now and he never played a tournament, so he's unknown.
have to agree with you considering cammy can cannon spike any tiger knee. and ex through fireballs or ultra through them.
@Slapmaster5000 Its hard to stay on topic when there is no point to it anymore.
@Th3SilentOn3 IT´s not like thats years ago s and he switched probably at that time to CVS2 and 3s. He could if he wanted also master GGXX no doubt about such kind of a player.
@LUEcifer where can i find Daguro match with robo ky? I always wanted to see Robo Ky in action but can't find it :(
reminded me of a C. Viper vs. Sagat match in SF4. That Millia player is good, but it takes alot to do decent damage, while Sol is more of a heavy hitter.
@Overture2152 Order Sol don't exist in Vanilla GGXX. His main was Millia back then. Order Sol from Slash and onwards.
Two beasts, Biting each other,in the face, epic.
Is this some kind of an earlier arcade release of SLASH? I haven't played slash myself, but all I can see in other videos is that Sol doesn't have the dustloop any more, only the sidewinder loop.
@SluggerJR You also have to realize that kaqn doesn't main Millia, he mains Order Sol/Sol. He subs: Every other character in the game XD. no He mainly uses Millia when he feels like it. He does the same in Blazblue, Mains Ragna but subs: Tsubaki, Jin, and hakumen.
It's odd though. This was quite a whiles back and Kaqn's main isn't even Millia I'm pretty sure. If Daigo was to play Guilty Gear now though, he'd get his ass handed to him.
@ToxicTeapot
That's not true. Daigo stopped GG because he was also playing other games at the time (CVS2, 3rd strike, 2X) and it was not possible to acheive and maintain a top level in all those games. He made a choice and let GG go.
Why is this comment getting so many negatives? It's true. Daigo was good, but there are a lot of better players out there in GGXX. For instance, Ogawa (eddie), FAB (Potemkin), Daguro (robo ky)...etc.
Pros only ever ban boss characters.
"Pros" also don't ban Sagat in SF4 tournaments, despite the fact that he's broken beyond words.
The Millia one make surely some good crossups O_O
I was so rooting for kaqn. I play Millia and he's damn good with her. A really close match.
Oh please. You have to take everything into account when dealing with a situation like this.
From your sentence, I'd say you are as familiar with this as a new born baby is with Calculus!
Skill-wise, the character you pick can automatically limit down everything about you. If you haven't noticed, Daigo rarely goes for characters who require thought. Sol is the EASIEST character and it comes to the point that simply for getting a close match vs Kaqn, Kaqn is better than him.
I was pretty amazed too but this was back in the day '04-'06. He should get into Blazblue... maybe...
@MegaMustaine89 Yes, the same Daigo.
Probably best millia ive ever seen
@blzdout well yeah i knew that. i meant kaqn's normal Sol.
@sa1227 2d fighting game god is daigo. whether you agree or not, thats what every magazine, arcade, pro players call him in japan.
@SluggerJR rofl. Well, let me simplify it, maybe that way even someone of your level manage to understand: "Since when the hell hight tier became God Tier?", Also, my little friend, "MU" for Mi and So is 11-9, obviously such a Godlike...
are they ever going to make guilty gear 3 or XXX
"Hell, I've lost a few times to a Cammy player, and alot of times against Balrog/Bison."
"I don't know how tier listings work"
daigo is on point with those DPs
It's not the charactor, it's the guy playing it who makes him look good. This video is pretty evident that either charactor's combos can be abused but daigo is just a beast.
@AcousticSpade yeah, his ragna is gg, lol
ogawa, n-otoko, shonen, rf, fab, inoue would make my top 6 XD
Wow, that was a VERYYY Close game.
@blzdout Was O. Sol balanced? I always had some questions about that.
insanityyyy teeheee O.o
@Dice12K You don't understand anything.読み合いが一周してんでしょ....
@Overture2152 Kaqn didn't main Sol in vanilla or #reload.....Millia in one game. Jam in the other.
Love Millia
dat dustloop.
even though daigo is good i think kagn shouldve won. i think that milia also takes low damage for some reason since the guy kagn landed so many hits. i would think sol would be dead after that last round.
Nice fight, Millia is an excellent juggler though.
Gotta love kaqn
He used to, but I think he quit when they removed the Dust Loop.
I want to see Daigo play Blazblue
1:12 SUPERJUMP DUSLOOP?
@AcousticSpade its kaqn, hes like a beast, i follow him in blazblue a lot
What you're saying is that someone was only a good player because they used a highly effective combo which their character possessed.
Its like saying Mike Tyson was a great boxer just cause he used his fists.
You're entitled to have an opinion; irrationality, on the other hand, has no excuse.
@maxtergundam
Just look up Dogura in youtube. I misspelled his name in my prior comment.
susumu i think thats his name hes in an EPIC match against sol just type sol vs chipp finals on youtube and u should find him. pretty beast
Way before he played Order-Sol.
Daigo didn't play OS, he quit around Reload before OS did. Kazunoko played OS though.
@ikarugalover674 Yes,but Daigo is the god beast of guilty gear
@Slapmaster5000 Well he isnt a god, and I was responding to Toxic's comment . Because he was putting down Daigo, even though it is true that Daigo is not an omnipotent being. He's just really really good at his craft. When you spout out tons of insults that doesnt give off the impression that you are calm. Please go away.
lol dude, do you know who Kahn is?
Look him up, Daigo found that he wasn't tournament worthy enough in Guilty Gear, that's why he quit, he's much better at games like CVS 2 or SF Third Strike and such. Guilty Gear is almost a different planet. Kahn however is one of the top heads of Guilty Gear play.
you know after a while guilty gear "slows down" ?
Well, i know these guys are amazing because the game looks fast when they play.
Watch Woshige.
See. Now you're viewing it as if you only played fighters after 2009. If you never actually bothered to look at your history. EVERY Street Fighter title makes it on EVO. Doesn't matter if it bad or not. It's still there. That the reason why it's on EVO. Hell 3rd Strike was the black sheep of SF series but it was still on EVO regardless.
he mashed shoryu at the end, lolol
I find today's kaqn much more of a beast (@ BB) han Daigo ever was or is (@ 3S, SF4).
Come on kaqn!!!
@SluggerJR Millia? God Tier? In Reload? Lol. And who the hell Eddy, Jam and Slayer are?
@ToxicTeapot He isnt a god for being good at any game. He just likes beat em up games. And winning. He stayed with in the bounds of what hes good at; Street Fighter. So yea.
This has nothing to do with Tiers. As OviasMire and Guayaba said, Cammy is an excellent example of a character that can easily take out Sagat. I don't mind admitting it. Hell, I've lost a few times to a Cammy player, and alot of times against Balrog/Bison. Sagat takes alot of skill to use in all Street Fighters because of a low number of invincible frames, average priority, low speed, and high delay. Even his repeated projectile use is dodgeable.
Daigo himself, stated he sucks at Guilty Gear.
@Necrolic555 link?
Street Fighter X Tekken made it to EVO. That's all I have to say.
DAigo got that clutch Grand Viper!
Like Maraxusofk says, Daigo has way too many fanbrats who will defend him.
Daigo tends to overuse his dragon punches, I've noticed.
@4znBoiix
He got his ass handed to him. That's why he quit.
@Slapmaster5000 You need to calm the hell down.
Daigo in GGXX = Dust loop.
@CydonianKnights11 to his, his own. I'll play my BB and you can play your street fighter
As someone who plays Sagat, I can tell you straight forward he isn't broken. Sure, he's practically like a powerful machine gun. However, there are alot of weekness to Sagat that's very easy for the opponent to exploit if the Sagat players don't know what they're doing. Same with Sol. I go against a really good Sol player in the Guilty Gear series and found that there are openings that can be taken advantage of.
I say those openings are enough of a balance for those characters.
I realize that. I was just making a point. :p
LMFAO @ 1:22
Yeah. People give too much credit just based on one game.
Oh, pssh.
Sol only had incredibly faster recovery times, overly huge damage, high priority with easily spammable attacks, and a rather high health count.
Broken?
...pretty much.
Of course Sol would be hard to beat with his ridiculous damage output, I think we all had first hand experience at getting Dust Loop'ed. That said I think kaqn was taking a little too many risks against a Sol, and like I admit, a rather weak Sol but nevertheless gotta be careful. Like you said yourself, the DP was obvious especially since that's pretty much all he did all game.
I'm not disagreeing with you bro, but I think kaqn lacked focus, which comes in hand with skill I say. Ah well....
1:22
geez, even at guilty gear he Umeshory SRK-->FADC-->Combo
Daigo isn't the god of Guilty Gear...but he stills with the title "God of 2D Fighting Games"...and any of these top players youre saying is called like this (y'
Nope he was actually playing gear seriously 2004
@smeatface ....
And Daigo was considered a good Ryu in SF2 cause he used Hadoukens.
Seriously, what's your point?
@smeatface lol you're a streetfighter fanboy. chill dude.
@ikarugalover674
It'd be nice to see people stop giving credit to Daigo just cause he's good at Street Fighter. He's not that good at this game in all honesty.