My first intro was in 99’, and I quit following them after the OG 6 cards. Sad to see the state of Psycho and all these boys beefing! Reminds me of the real life beef I have with all my old homies too
Followed ICP from The Great Milenko all the way until Twiztid split off. Not because of the split but just because my life was moving in another direction. Imagine my shock to come back years later and see that what I thought was just creative differences and Twiztid wanting to break off and do their own thing was actually some scandalous drama that still hasn't been squashed that spilled over and involved ABK and AMB at the least. The Hatchet Man on my arm marks me as a Juggalo for life but being so far out of the game I honestly don't know who to side with in this feud. Think Ima stick with my current position and say fuck the beef, ima appreciate both not for what they are but for what they were. RIP Dark Lotus...
It really saddens me that they're all beefing. I grew up listening to psychopathic in their peak years in the late 90s/2000s. Got me through some tough times. Still a fan of icp, twiztid, blaze, boondox, abk and amb.
Its sad for all the juggalos. I fell off for years , a few years after The Tempest came out, and i came back to this shit as it was happening. I still fucks with all of them, but its just really sad. But...that's life man. Shit changes and people grow apart. MMFCL till i die tho!!!
Lets be real with the beef set aside ever since twiztid went to do their own thing their music has drastically improved and has been able to put themselves out there more is good
in ABK's defense Violent J did not tell him to rep his native shit .. he was known as "Native Funk" before ABK and would rap about Native American shit all the time.
I’ve seen ABK perform PLENTY of times lately- The irony is that he ALWAYS represents the hatchet AND native funk at shows that he performs at. I have pictures and videos if anyone needs solid visual evidence of this FACT! James shows Love, Joe is just a drugged out fool and a bitter old hater now a days. I’m ashamed to carry these tattoos around on my skin with the way he has been acting lately. J need’s rehab and some reflection time. His thought process is WAY off. Much love and respect for the way ABK carries himself. 💯🎵🤘🏻
No, I don’t think he meant he created ABK repping his heritage. What he meant was, when they sat down and were thinking how to market his “gimmick”, he probably was like… just rep the Native shit. Put on this face paint, say your speaking for your ancestors beyond the grave or are one. Probably helped him with the name. Look, ICP sat down with everyone of their artist prior to promoting them and they came up with gimmicks. “Blaze, he’s a OG from 80s back from the dead. Boondox, your from the south. How about a scarecrow?” That kind of shit. And yes, it’s apparent that he is on drugs right now. Just seems like he’s going through some things.
sorry icp have enough music to carry juggallos alone, always had and still do, once violent j can no longer perform and shaggy hangs it up, to me its all over, im not saying i dont apreciate all the other acts from psychopathic, but to say icp ever need anyone its borderline blasphemy. Icp as a band its like a twitter account with no visibility. People in charge will always twist their lyrics and block them from growing any further. Whoever saw it saw it enjoy the last years of icp, and fuck twiztid
All of them together made me feel like I had a family even tho I didn't really have one this was just like my parents divorce all over again roflmao😂😂😂😂
I wanna agree with J, because he’s very likable, and he and Shaggy created all this. But the fact that so many other classic Psychopathic talent went over to Majic Ninja does seem to say maybe Twiztid’s side is valid too.
There’s two sides to every story. You hear J touch exactly why they left. The 4 main guys control everything creatively. Twiztid wanted creative control over their music.
@@ConservativeJuggaloPodcasthonestly once the FBI stepped in an called “juggalos” a gang there was a lot of reasons why they did. An at that time the damage was going on long before that so yeah they stayed out of it. I covered my tattoo up because of work it almost ruined a career path because of it.
Violent J is someone I have immense respect for in music, truly a visionary in regards to DIY music and business, I even think he is underrated as a rapper and story teller. One of the absolute greats in my book, regardless of genre. However, I’m sure there is more that’s not told but anyone with ears could tell that Twiztid, not so much the others, were much more lyrically talented than ICP and they eventually started to get bigger on their own and wanted to branch out, crazy to see them accepted at rock shows now. My first ICP show was 2010 and my first Gathering was 2012 when I was 18, so lucky to have caught Psychopathic back then. To see what has happened, haven’t listened to new music in years, it’s a shame but I think Twiztid is where they should be and ICP and J are where they should be.
@JimboReed-md8pk only Gathering I made it to was I think the 5th in 2002 ??? Rydas, Lotus, Bone Thugs, Esham, ODB (RIP), it was so DOPE!!!! Great memories 👌 I'll always be grateful for that... Its really sad to see this family fracture
Yeah, there's reasons why EVERYONE with talent that was on Psychopathic bailed as soon as they could to joing MNE. What is ICP left with? Themselves, and they haven't been good since 2004, Lame Hoodoo, Ouija Crack, and that terrilbe failed experiment with Blahzay Rose? There's DEFINITELY more going on behind the scenes to make everyone want to leave. J is controlling AF and everyone knows it.
I started listening back when Riddle Box was out but kinda lost track with them after Hell's Pit. Had no idea all of this was going on. I saw all of these guys live as individual groups and together as Dark Lotus. Good old days, lol.
I miss the old ICP, before anybody comes for my neck, hear me out: I accidentally got into ICP (Hokus Pokus), I was maybe 10 at the time. I was heavily bullied and they felt like the only safe outlet to be myself and feel welcomed. I didn’t have many friends and came from a fucked up background. So I saw J & Shags as my role models. I never got to go to the Gathering and it’s been a long time goal of mine (24 now as I’m typing), I can’t express how many times that ICP, the music, the family, saved my life. The times I didn’t want to continue, they got me through it. It’s saddens me to see the pain and anger in J still, I miss that magic feeling from what came from Psychopathic. I’ll never forget it. It feels like home, it’s warm and inviting. I got to read the Behind the Paint book by them a while back and it spoke directly to my core, I underrated things change but that’s something I’ll never forget. The reason I say I miss the old ICP is because I miss the whole family feeling and people not fighting each other. The music and meaning brought us together, not the money, not the fame. Twiztid is the shit and I’m down with the clown, dark lotus for life till I’m dead in the ground. WHOOP WHOOP 🤡 MMFWCL
It's because it wasn't just we don't like them type shit its letting someone into you're life and family and then those same ppl you let in they betray you and find out they were always out for themselves
@@RaxiazReduxthey were never close friends. They were co-workers who had to put on an image to sell to their fans so they can make money. Everyone who worked with J ended up hating him after they left.
Poor Violent J, you can definitely hear how upset he is over the betrayal in his voice. I know the feeling of being hurt by someone you considered family.
I was introduced to icp a young age of 8 years old listening to Santa a fat bitch and the great milenko. When the first introduce twiztid I was an instant fan of them and whoever came on the label until about AMB was signed I’ve heard different things from almost everyone except J. Now i still rep both I wish there was a way to squash the beef but looks like he’s firm on fuck twiztid there too much to this story we won’t know besides them
@@Bandana_Boiso you’re saying alllllll the artist that left psy and joined mne or did their own thing all lied about violent j being an asshole and low key creep? Why do so many ppl have bad stories about him but none about shaggy? Seems weird to me.
@@chrstphrluis2206 Everyone one of those artists were close friends with Twiztid before they ever signed to MNE sans AMB - and Twiztid are the only ones who have been talking publicly about ICP, no one else in the MNE camp has said a word but Otis. No one can ever find me a video of Blaze saying how "teŕrible" ICP treated him.
Not gonna lie Twiztid is rhe whole reason I called myself a lo back in the day. I remember going to the gathering back when the wrath dropped seeing it fall on the crowd how happy everyone was. But I couldn't help but remember that Twiztid made the rafters shake the night they closed and how no one else came close to it. Personally I think Twiztid was the next step to what ICP started and ICP just couldn't except that so the bad blood started from the envy.
Nah icp made twiztid better go listen to there music before they met violent J. Twiztid definitely made it better but they needed that guidance they were going a different way.
@@jimberry5318 not saying you're wrong but like I said I personally always looked at Twiztid as the next step doesn't mean they didn't need help nor does it mean that once they blew up that ICP couldn't have gotten jealous of all the love that Twiztid got.
Good point - after all they did bless us with a whole generation of refreshing new dope music and culture that changed the game forever, and they did that as a group.
Violent J almost a decade ago: "Twiztid left because they wanted to be totally independent and stand on their own like ICP does and we respect them for that." Violent J now: "Fuck Twiztid."
Back at that time, they were still close with each other, so J probably didn’t wanna say stuff that would hurt their career, even though behind the scenes he was upset about stuff Also, at that time, ICP still owned the masters to all Twiztid music. So why would J want to hurt their image, that would cost him money, as ICP makes a cut off all albums sold, as they should, they started the label and own it
thats the story i remember for sure and as twiztid put it Violent J stopped promoting them and was focusing on new talent like big Hoodoo and blahzay rose so they wanted to get their own label going and the bad blood only started with the signing of young wicked
Lets not forget the Cash Kidd interview where Kev literally trashed ICP and juggalos. You better delete that video Kev cause we all have it saved on our laptops. Lol 😅
@@massagebroadexactly. Nobody knows who cash kidd is lol. Look up bootleg kev cash kidd, he literally makes fun of icp and juggalos. I hope J knows about that interview.
I felt bad when I found out they beef years ago. But the truth is that I fell off of ICP and everything related to them around 2002 when the Wraith came out. Overall their music as a whole took a different turn there, and I think Mike E Clark leaving had a LOT to do with it. I really respect what Clark has done in terms of the sounds these guys had in the 90s. J and Shaggy are very underrated for their storytelling ability. I loved Twiztid too. I'll never forget the day that I bought Mostateless on cassette. I really loved that album. Outside of Twiztid and Myzery, I never liked any other acts that ICP had. I think that ABK and Boondox, and all that other corny shit all came off as knockoffs of ICP. Basically, all their rappers felt like back yards wrestlers versions of rappers. But I will never forget how much escape I found in ICPs music as a kid. How I would sit for hours and study the beats and the structures of the songs. The rhyme patterns. And it was all digestible through funny and crazy and wacky shit. I'll always remember that my Carnival of Carnage cassette had a metallic blue backing inside. I'll never forget that my Riddle Box cassette was orange. And I cant tell you what any cassettes after Riddlebox looked like, because THAT was the point in history where I switched to CDs. Of ALL of rap music, the highest respect I have in terms of hustle and making money and making their own brand, I have for ICP.
I have to agree, things REALLY changed after Mike E left. He had a major major part in the ICP sound and signatures. Been a fan since COC but Jekyll Brothers was around the last of my real stint with them. Just got too far away from what I really knew and loved. I've still been begging Mike E. for an instrumental release of Pass Me By LOL
Same, after the first six I always was down and still followed ICPs interviews and shit but the music not so much. Same with Twiztid after awhile…I still have my jerseys, and a lot of my old school merch but it’s just not where it was back then and that’s fine I still rock the first 6 and mostasteless, and the green book, mirror mirror etc but I hear you about Mike E Clark
ABK was Native Funk before being part of Psychopathic Records. Violent J didn't come up with his native rap style, it was always part of his style. Twiztid was more accepted in the beginning than Violent J claims, and by the time Freekshow came out, Twiztid had surpassed ICP in quality. J is just a bitter man who suffers with extreme highs and lows. He's a polarizing character that's hard to get along with. There's a reason the guy is surrounded by controversy.
@@anthony6929I can see it in this interview now... He grabbed that water bottle too many times and is talking with a slur and a lot of movement… What a shame.
@nero48 but she is his brothers daughter correct? Grammer nazi.. he was probably just emotional about everything he had said and possibly just was Lil worked up about it all. Heaven forbid he called her his brorhers daughter ..
@@zombiejeeper5601 calling someone just a "niece" is not descriptive enough because his brother help oversee the record label, and is key to the story.
The whole label left for MNE, when there's a trend you have to look at Psys business. I get the young wicked thing but whys J mad at Blaze or abk or ROC or Boondox? They all have families to feed.
There's no doubt that Violent J is probably an asshole and was probably hard to work under. With that said, it's hard to imagine MNE helps pay the bills any better. MNE will always be in the shadow of Psychopathic and that's a fact.
@@fabiangonzalez3365in the shadows lmao yea ok 😅 you kids are hilarious icp is so irrelevant now and has no talent last albums even worth half of shit was the Jekyll brothers
Who remembers when ABK left years ago after finding out he was still listed on contract as a hype man even though he was putting out music? He was getting ripped off. Then he came back after they "fixed" it. They knew what they were doing to that man.
real juggalos aren't beefing over their beef either BTW. We represent the ENTIRE underground, from psychopathic to MNE to strange music to LLE to every independent opener we've ever seen. I feel bad friendships that were so strong ended the way they did, but that's life.
@@VideoGameXDomainbro thats why i had to drop all the juggalo shit. i realized around the time tempest came out too much shit was all fake ass people actung like theres something reap when the guys that made it was fake af
Real Juggalos show up for each other, & Twiztid was too scared to show up for us against the FBI. Tell a real jugg to their face theybarent a real jugg over that.
There was definitely a lot more going on than J. is saying yeah they were paying them but not what they should have been paying them. And also changing lyrics to their songs. It's a shame that he can tell his side of the story and cannot admit to all the wrong ICP did wrong to the other talent. That's why they all left they felt boxed in and used J/S
👏🏻 spot on! I saw Twiztid and did vip when Abominationz came out and I asked them why the marketing, for such an amazing album, was so minimal? They said J (not psychopathic) refused to put money into them and it had been like that for a while (listen to the Green Book). But it is crazy to see J act all righteous cause he signed them and helped them get fame. It’s kinda like your homie who listens to a band, and then the band gets big, and your homie is all pissed cause he is og and everyone else is a poser and ain’t a real fan. Moral of my rant is that J should humble himself a little, and I honestly think his inability to do that now for years, has turned off a ton of people aka Twiztid and any other artist who left the label.
I think the Twiztid shit could be worked out and they never would have to physically interact but ego on both sides are what prevents this. I think even Rob is tired of this shit, Joe needs a little "no" people in his camp to help things work like they used to, but even recently VJ expressed "I'm tired of being told no" which is a shame. The collaborative effort really made that late 99 to 2010 sound and creativity at Psychopathic. Last and best album was Bang Pow Boom, I used to think it was the Amazing Jeckel Brothers but BPB holds the creativity, lyricism and production - and the songs all hold up. Yum Yum has a few gems, the flow and delivery has progressed really well but the overall direction, the planning just isn't there, and I think the tours really take away from knuckles down in the studio for a coherent, unified album. But what's so so today is classic tomorrow. Or cringey. At the end of the day, Joe remains just as creative and talented, I just wish he was challenged more like he was in the Riddlebox, Milenko era.
Violent J has had such bad history with damn near everyone hes ever collabed with and been friends with maybe its time to look in the mirror and ask yourself...is it me...????
Back in the day, Kottonmouth kingz said something positive about Eminem, and J immediately posted to all the Juggalos they should say fuck Kottonmouth….there seems to be a reason why every artist and long term employee has left, Shaggy and J are doing seperate tours after J said he wouldn’t really tour anymore. I mean writing seems to be on the wall! J is the problem
@@jamesgatz5301 wrong, this shit happened in the dial up days, when the ICP chat room was popping on their website, and Violent J posted that all Juggalos should stop fucking with KMK, because they did a show opening for Eminem. Historical facts, if you were’nt there for it, please don’t interject your Wikipedia search as facts.
@@tannernettles8696 you’re so fucking full of shit because I was there for it and it was Twiztid that beefed NOT ICP. Also KMK opened for D-12 not Eminem. ICP has always been and still is cool with KMK. Either you’re lying or remembering shit wrong.
@@tannernettles8696facts and kmk is just tweaker ass d loc now , but you can’t reason with this kids who didn’t grow up with this shit, I remember getting riddle box the day it dropped then mile ko the 4 days of freshness before the first gathering in novi etc
Indy rappers look at what artists like ICP and Tech N9ne built independently in such high regard. It's incredible to think something like that is achievable through music. This shit is so f*ckin' hard to do I'm telling y'all. Nothing but respect.
J’s lying. I used to have it bad for all things Juggalo back in the 90’s and early 00’s. So it really broke my heart when Twiztid and company left. I can’t stand the way J has “evolved”. He is narcissistic and a liar. He is a lot of things he used to rap about hating. Saying he was mad because Twiztid said the N word 😅😅😅 whatever J. How come we hardly see Shaggy with him anymore? Maybe it’s because distance makes the heart grow fonder. I will always love their old stuff, and Twiztid has only gotten better since the split. But I admit. Homies still makes my heart break. So does Dark Lotus.
i agree with everything you said about J. its hard to listen to J talk these days becauses hes became so cringey. but i dont like the new rock stuff twiztid is trying to do, like sucking up to the emo bands and the warped tour crowd. they used to make fun of emo bands and the warped tour
@@murdacloak406 I respect your opinion, no doubt. Personally I am a fan of the rock/hybrid stuff. But it still just can’t compare to the Green Book and Dark Lotus Twiztid I love so much. I can’t listen to anything after Bang Pow Boom as far as ICP goes, with the exception of Flip The Rat. That was pretty good to me. You took the words right outta my mouth saying J is so cringey now. He really is! Shaggy somehow stays out of it mostly and that’s best for him. I think when J came out and made a whole video defending his daughter’s “furry” shit, I lost it. That was so embarrassing 😂😂
So many folks in the entertainment business don't know how to properly honor and respect someone who stuck their neck out for them. Really sad to hear the details on this. I have love for the genre and actually was listening to House of Krazees (Twiztids old indie group) here in Michigan. ICP will always be legends around here. Mad love and respect for those guys doing business the right way independently...way before it was cool or even know to do so. Very few have done it alone better!!
But bro, when you put your homies on you should want them to go just as far as you. So because they wanted to start their own label, it was a problem???? This is where the juggalo community splits. Because half of them are mad that twizted wanted to start their own label. Ridiculous
@hennyroos5996 I'm talking over 10 plus years ago. They were a local group. This isn't some kinda flex or inaccurate info. It was the ROC and current Twiztid. Look it up.
@@RandyBadour I don't need to look it up. One thing, that's over 25 years ago. Second thing, they've been doing HOK stuff recently. Which is what I said. 🤦♀️
ICP downplaying the effects that Twiztid and the rest of the crew had on psychopathic and their sales/money is exactly why so many of them left ICP behind. Twiztids beef with AMB signing wasn’t so much about them, but that ICP also told them they had to start paying for their own marketing and publishing. Which made them say what’s the point in being on a label?
Mne already did rydas,why not lotus? They only don't have shaggy and j but joes shaggy's ghost writer so it's pretty much only 1 guy. Twiztids cool with marz (the original)
Pay your own expenses why tf a dude who put you on supposed to buy your chain, and your cloths, and pay for your CDs and merch to be promoted and GIVE YOU SOME EXTRA MONEY y'all tripping violent j is not responsible for a bunch of grown men.
Once ICP signed these guys they became a big part of the juggalo culture and world. Saying you hate them is a way to alienate half your fan base. Not a good idea. Makes it feel like Lotus was for nothing in the end. Sad honestly. It was supposed to be "juggalo love" now its all hate. Lol Its not the same anymore from a fan point of view. As a business.... I get it though.
Bro the fan base BEEN divided way before this interview. I respect J for not sugar coating the beef. Remember, House of Krazees been hated ICP since back in the 90’s. The beef is personal
@@lordjacob33 That was different though in the 90s before they got signed. Once they became "fam" and did Lotus and brainwashed the fan base for cash and it's really not like that it's kinda lame at that point. Y'all got it tatted on your arms, now it's ah fuck them all. It got stupid.
Iv been ao done with the juggalo world since i left gathering 17. Loved seeing wizard of the hood live. Fulfilling my childhood dream. Then it was time to move on
You can feel and see what this did and what kinda impact it had on the entire culture that ICP CREATED! I love em all cuz I grew up on them all maybe not so much amb but you can tell this shook him to his core! I feel you VJ -rip dark lotus :/
J is bitter that Twiztid wanted to grow as much as they could and couldn't do that at psychopathic. If J didn't flip out and just understood they would all still be cool and working together with the 2 labels.
That’s my point in the whole thing they wanted to become self-sufficient they wanted to do what ICP did and creating their own label and being successful J didn’t wanna lose that money, the revenue of their sales. And obviously there was something else going on if all of their good artists left and went to Mne
You can hear the pain in Jays voice. They may have made the characters who were Twiztid, but Jamie and Pauls talent is unmatched by any one on psychopathic. There also is another side to the story.
@@mike1989libra LMMFAO!!!!!! That crack headed, bootleg chia-pet, mumble rapper is 100lbs of pure raw sewage! I'd rather listen to Macho Man Randy Savege's rap album on repeat for the next year straight before I even TRIED to lie and say how crotch goblin mac is "Better then them all". by the way, it's spelled than, not then. Than is used when you're talking about comparisons; then is used when you're talking about something relating to time. Imbecile.
@@GHEYSTUFF I still bump all these guys but totally agree. Twiztid have been consistent since Mostasteless unlike everyone else. It does make me sad, been a fan since 11 years old, 23 years and always will be but all I want is another Dark Lotus album and shit to be cool between the homies again.
I love how not once did he actually address the beef with Twiztid 😂 He essentially just talked about his beef with the dude from axe murda boys for 10 min.
he actually confirmed not squashing and basically explained why (you know by telling him what happened with that dude and they sign him), he let it be known their problem fueled after that move, i mean it really is a dick move if you come to think about it.
Squash the beef. It's childish. That daughter & Young Wicked should come out & apologize to the whole crew. But in all reality. It's childish to destroy such a great thing over a daughter being a $l√t. Sorry. But a rake is a rake & a hoe is a hoe. She knew he had a family. So what does that say about her? What does that say about daddy? Get down to the bottom line. Y'all let some trivial shit get in the way of greatness.
As a Juggalo since I was about 5 years old, I've had mad love for ALL artists on the Hatchet, current and former. Was I upset that Twiztid fell out of Psychopathic? Fuck ya I was, but everyone on both Psychopathic and Majik Ninja are producing bangers after bangers. I don't pick sides during this beef. J and Joey have their opinions about MNE, and Jamie & Paul have theirs about Psychopathic. It is what it is. I'll support both until my very last breath. Same goes with Esham and his people at Reel Life/Gothom, as well as any horrorcore artist who has the talent in my eyes. Fuck this beef though! Breaks my heart.
This is highly debatable. Yes they brought on Twiztid. Twiztid greatly helped bring the rap skills with the wicked shit that Juggalos love. AMB was later and yes the first time I saw them live to the last time I saw them live was like night and day. I dont blame Twiztid at all for saying "Fuck that" at first. Much props to Twiztid for giving them a chance especially Young Wicked. Twiztid is just as talented if not more and is doing great as far as I'm concerned. Even the recent LP Songs of Samhain was not only dope AF but had all of the other major original artists on it. ICP can't say that. Much love to both. #Twiztid
Most of the fam has been hating on Ouija Macc and Big Hoodoo for years. How come they cant pull the following that Twiztid, Blaze and ABK were pulling for the label? The amount of times Twiztid got albums pushed back but yall were just giving out record deals?
Aint it funny everyone dropped from their label and all cool with each other. And.... Nobody wants to mess with ICP anymore. Yet MNE are all the "bad" guys. Something doesnt add up here. Oh and ICP hasnt had a good album in 20 years. They arent exactly on that wraith tip anymore.
It’s even more funny that the only people messing with ICP are major interviewers and big name artist. While the only people messing with Twiztid is the same 4 nobody horrorcore rappers
@@VideoGameXDomain in my opinion bang pow boom was the epitome of everything they've done perfected. But yanno that's just me. Death pop was aight but didn't have the same vibe. Everything after that hasnt been very good. Again just my opinion
So an adult had a consenting relationship with another adult, but then dad and uncle are mad adults decided to do adult things. Once someone is grown you really have no say in what choices they make, where's the anger at the niece? Autonomy is a real thing.
It's not that simple though, is it? When one is a close business associate and the other is not only a close family member, but the daughter of one of the heads of the business and niece of another, you just have to know not to go there. Even when the father finds out and gives him a second chance, and he still keeps doing it? That's low life behavior.
Bro, you can't be this dumb. The dude went behind not only his wife and kids back, but behind the backs of the 2 dudes that gave him a career and pay his bills. Plus she was way younger than him. What he did was foul as fuck and if you can't see that you are a garbage person period.
You mean a guy with a pregnant girl and a daughter is sleeping with some other guy's daughter. And from the sounds of it, it wasn't a real relationship. So ya dad and uncle are mad that that the daughter is a passaround and the guy is a deadbeat.
Apparently things turned badly back in the days, way before the departure of Twiztid and Blaze during a Lotus tour, J lost his mind and wanted to punch Paul.
I met Jaimie, Mono, and blaze in Missoula, MT in the early 2000s. It was pretty chilly and i was in shorts. All the dick riders surrounded the tour bus to see Jaimie while my buddy and I shared a joint with blaze. After jaimie got on the bus everyone left. I told my friend "i aint leavin until i meet mono". So we waited for like an hour when across the parking lot two dudes, no paint, started walking towards us. I felt the excitement build up and as the one dude pulled the hood of his jacket off his head, i heard the voice of Mono say "aint you motherfuckers cold !?!?". I was so happy and excited i yelled out "not anymore!!! Whats up dawg!?" I got to talk with him for about 5 minutes before they left. I still have my Twiztid weed leaf print flatbill signed by all 3 of them. Ill never forget that night for the rest of my life.
its understandable if it was just twiztid that left but EVERYBODY ended up leaving,theres no way everyone you picked in life would just stab you in the back all of a sudden at the same time,dude needs to look in the mirror and find out what the real issue might be.
I have respect for both MNE and psychopathic records but to hear Violent J vent about these tensions is heartbreaking to me I hope they reconcile because the both of them were great together back then!
One thing no one can say to ICP, is that they didn't do this themselves. They started their own thing, their own label, their own festival and more. They may not be for everyone but they've done so much good shit.
I'm not a juggalo anymore..I'm 44 yrs old now but from the time I was 18 to bout 23 I was a diehard I feel off after the the wraith fell an I lost interest but I will say as young man the juggalo were the most generous ppl an they accepted everybody nobody what they did make me feel loved so for all the formers ..the grown up dads with the boring life's now lol thank u for making feel like family..icp an Twiztid were apart of that hopefully it'll be crushed
This was only Violent J's side of the drama. Jamie Madrox of Twiztid gave a completely different perspective of the falling out. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Man, AMB used to be my favorite on Psychopathic. I loved there sound, and they definitely had talent. That's CRAZY what they did to J. I know a lot of people weren't really into AMB, and I get it. I just liked em a lot. I feel off psychopathic for a long time. Just recently started coming back, and I'm seeing all this beef going on and shit. It's sad that everyone betrayed them like this. Yes, everyone's allowed to do their own thing, and part ways from their original label. Nothing wrong with that. Even if that label made them and gave them loyalty everything they had. It happens. But I'm sure there's a lot more to it than just them leaving. And that's what hurts fr. But the whole thing with dude from AMB hooking up with J's niece? That's fucked up. Guess he was really bout that "Scrub Life", huh?
J is leaving out alot i mean twiztid got better after finding him yes but twiztids talent elevated through the years and that had nothing to do with J and he needs to understand that
I've sort of been off the Psychopathic bandwagon for over a decade now and just watching the first minute of this video where J says the words, "Fuck Twiztid"... blows my fucking mind. ICP and Twiztid were like inseparable brothers!!!
As an ex fan of all these guys and just stumbled on to this, he's lying about the juggalos not responding to twiztid when they first debuted on tour. Man, everyone ate that shit up. They were the heirs apparent. I hated the panda facepaint, but fans LOVED it and started dressing like them for shows. J also didn't come up with Anybody Killa's native gimmick, he was literally rapping as Native Funk with native facepaint before joining the label, J didnt go "Hey Native Funk, my idea is to make you a native rapper" lol
I waited so long for the day twiztid would leave psychopathic. Unfortunately it was too late. Twiztid would’ve made it a lot bigger if they didn’t go with psy. They’re 30Xs more talented than ICP could ever dream of.
@@makv6894I agree 100% icp might have started all this but Twiztid and Blaze and the rest helped them grow to where they are. Twiztid better rappers. Better story telling. And it just says so much seeing that everyone from psychopathic left to join Twiztid. I think Js ego is the problem and needs to swallow his pride. There is a lot of money to be made in them just squashing this beef and ending this juggalo civil war. Would love to see Twiztid show up at the gathering and them hug it out in front of the Family.
@@chrishoover2681 ICP's height of their mainstream popularity were solo. They went over first decade growing and growing. They would have survived without them, and been doing fine without them for the last 10 years as well.
I can also understand as a person myself that some of these close people to you can not be good for you and other people don't need to understand. Whoop Whoop to all...
J is all over the fucking place with these accusations. He sounds so goddamn out of breath as well. I dont think he even remembers what even happened anymore
The thing was once records went away and money got tight, relationships got tested. I'd imagine it took a minute to educate themselves on how this digital shit works. Marketing, album sales, etc, even J admits it took a minute to catch on the new way of how music is being sold. Idk man.. it's a shame, but I was only bumpin' Blaze, ABK, Twiztid & everyone else because ICP gave them the stamp. And to me, C17 all the way from Ouija to Hexxx to Darby all the way to Psychopathic with ICP, they're doing dope shit.
What hurts is juggalos today will never experience the awesomeness of psychopathic records was from 97-05. That was magical as hell
Sure was. Reflect on that time of my life regularly. Wasnt it fucking amazing man!
93-08
My first intro was in 99’, and I quit following them after the OG 6 cards. Sad to see the state of Psycho and all these boys beefing! Reminds me of the real life beef I have with all my old homies too
Those are the exact years I listened to them, never wanted to bump an album more than once after 05
Followed ICP from The Great Milenko all the way until Twiztid split off. Not because of the split but just because my life was moving in another direction. Imagine my shock to come back years later and see that what I thought was just creative differences and Twiztid wanting to break off and do their own thing was actually some scandalous drama that still hasn't been squashed that spilled over and involved ABK and AMB at the least. The Hatchet Man on my arm marks me as a Juggalo for life but being so far out of the game I honestly don't know who to side with in this feud. Think Ima stick with my current position and say fuck the beef, ima appreciate both not for what they are but for what they were. RIP Dark Lotus...
It really saddens me that they're all beefing. I grew up listening to psychopathic in their peak years in the late 90s/2000s. Got me through some tough times. Still a fan of icp, twiztid, blaze, boondox, abk and amb.
Its sad for all the juggalos. I fell off for years , a few years after The Tempest came out, and i came back to this shit as it was happening. I still fucks with all of them, but its just really sad. But...that's life man. Shit changes and people grow apart. MMFCL till i die tho!!!
Lets be real with the beef set aside ever since twiztid went to do their own thing their music has drastically improved and has been able to put themselves out there more is good
Twizted steals money from young up and coming artists too , they’re garbage.
Why sadden in what way does it effect your daily life
CC3 was my favorite album on the whole label at the time but i quit listening to most psychopathic artists when they went all jesus loving
in ABK's defense Violent J did not tell him to rep his native shit .. he was known as "Native Funk" before ABK and would rap about Native American shit all the time.
facts homie! Native Funk - Rain From The Sun he was always reppin native before psychopathic.
I’ve seen ABK perform PLENTY of times lately-
The irony is that he ALWAYS represents the hatchet AND native funk at shows that he performs at.
I have pictures and videos if anyone needs solid visual evidence of this FACT!
James shows Love, Joe is just a drugged out fool and a bitter old hater now a days.
I’m ashamed to carry these tattoos around on my skin with the way he has been acting lately.
J need’s rehab and some reflection time. His thought process is WAY off. Much love and respect for the way ABK carries himself.
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Violent J is lying his ass off in this vid
No, I don’t think he meant he created ABK repping his heritage. What he meant was, when they sat down and were thinking how to market his “gimmick”, he probably was like… just rep the Native shit. Put on this face paint, say your speaking for your ancestors beyond the grave or are one. Probably helped him with the name.
Look, ICP sat down with everyone of their artist prior to promoting them and they came up with gimmicks. “Blaze, he’s a OG from 80s back from the dead. Boondox, your from the south. How about a scarecrow?” That kind of shit.
And yes, it’s apparent that he is on drugs right now. Just seems like he’s going through some things.
What they need to understand is they were much better as a whole, all of them together is what brought us all together. Saddening.
Greed can destroy a Family
Gratitude keeps the Family whole
100%
sorry icp have enough music to carry juggallos alone, always had and still do, once violent j can no longer perform and shaggy hangs it up, to me its all over, im not saying i dont apreciate all the other acts from psychopathic, but to say icp ever need anyone its borderline blasphemy. Icp as a band its like a twitter account with no visibility. People in charge will always twist their lyrics and block them from growing any further. Whoever saw it saw it enjoy the last years of icp, and fuck twiztid
All of them together made me feel like I had a family even tho I didn't really have one this was just like my parents divorce all over again roflmao😂😂😂😂
100% fact! Both acts together were like a family. It’s not the same anymore.
I wanna agree with J, because he’s very likable, and he and Shaggy created all this. But the fact that so many other classic Psychopathic talent went over to Majic Ninja does seem to say maybe Twiztid’s side is valid too.
October 21, 1975- October 13th 2020 ❤ SAINT DOG
As butters said on southpark, " Yes, I know what you are saying. You don't have to keep asking. "
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@@jeffersontheflyestpoet9497 new drinking game, take a shot every time J says " know what im sayin. "
Fighting over scraps when they should be combining their powers.
Twiz just got greedy
ABK was Native Funk before join Psychopathic. J didn't tell him to do that native stuff
as much as i love ICP, J is a compulsive liar so you really cant trust shit he says
Much respect to the Clowns. Not my jams but they did it their way and thats beyond admirable.
I'm in the same boat as you. Not necessarily a fan, but they came up from nothing. And honestly ICP seem like they would be nice dudes to meet.
Mad respect for Frank Sinatra and Sid Vicious as well…
Thanks for the positive words from non juggalos. Cheers!
I miss the Family days of psychopathic. As a fan it was so exciting. The label was so good back then ICP Twiztid and Boondox.
Yup
Suxks the majik is gone
Dark lotus was fire. I have both groups to thank for my love of rap but let’s be honest. It is all fairy tale rap. Make believe rap. Fantasy rap.
ABK really? The dude that stood next to ya and stayed neutral because it didn't directly involve him, fuck him?
He over there doing lotus rydas shit so ya
ABK hangs at MNE
They all left psy for mne- if that’s not letting your stance be known than what is lol
icp put on twiztid, twiztid brought on blaze and abk. If your homie gets hired, and then gets you hired. Would you be loyal your boss or your homies??
Lol what you know better than J huh 😅you right 😂
As big as a fan as I was. It really hurts like a knife in my chest to see all of them beefin
But you dgaf that Twiztid gkt scared to stand up against the FBI for us....
Same bro
Yup
@KILLA-KLOWN I mean I can't be mad at them because even if they would of performed we would still be in the same position. I'm still a fan.
Gay
There’s two sides to every story. You hear J touch exactly why they left. The 4 main guys control everything creatively. Twiztid wanted creative control over their music.
Except he nor you touch on Twiztid being too scared to stand up for us against the FBI
For what???
@@andrewadkins6078What do you mean, "For what?"
@@ConservativeJuggaloPodcasthonestly once the FBI stepped in an called “juggalos” a gang there was a lot of reasons why they did. An at that time the damage was going on long before that so yeah they stayed out of it. I covered my tattoo up because of work it almost ruined a career path because of it.
@@ConservativeJuggaloPodcast it's their business and choice. This is a free country.
Violent J is someone I have immense respect for in music, truly a visionary in regards to DIY music and business, I even think he is underrated as a rapper and story teller. One of the absolute greats in my book, regardless of genre.
However, I’m sure there is more that’s not told but anyone with ears could tell that Twiztid, not so much the others, were much more lyrically talented than ICP and they eventually started to get bigger on their own and wanted to branch out, crazy to see them accepted at rock shows now.
My first ICP show was 2010 and my first Gathering was 2012 when I was 18, so lucky to have caught Psychopathic back then. To see what has happened, haven’t listened to new music in years, it’s a shame but I think Twiztid is where they should be and ICP and J are where they should be.
2012 cave in rock was also my first GOTJ .. rydas, lotus, these kids nowadays will never see or know just how great that shit was.
@JimboReed-md8pk only Gathering I made it to was I think the 5th in 2002 ??? Rydas, Lotus, Bone Thugs, Esham, ODB (RIP), it was so DOPE!!!! Great memories 👌 I'll always be grateful for that... Its really sad to see this family fracture
violent j and his brother Jumpsteady are both solid rappers and story tellers.
@@jcrollah81 Storytellers, sure. Rappers..... not so much.
Yeah, there's reasons why EVERYONE with talent that was on Psychopathic bailed as soon as they could to joing MNE. What is ICP left with? Themselves, and they haven't been good since 2004, Lame Hoodoo, Ouija Crack, and that terrilbe failed experiment with Blahzay Rose? There's DEFINITELY more going on behind the scenes to make everyone want to leave. J is controlling AF and everyone knows it.
I started listening back when Riddle Box was out but kinda lost track with them after Hell's Pit. Had no idea all of this was going on. I saw all of these guys live as individual groups and together as Dark Lotus. Good old days, lol.
Same! Didn't know about this! I saw them all back in the day together.
I stopped listening after bizarro. But yeah we never got to see them because I was too young and they didn’t come to California back then
I miss the old ICP, before anybody comes for my neck, hear me out:
I accidentally got into ICP (Hokus Pokus), I was maybe 10 at the time. I was heavily bullied and they felt like the only safe outlet to be myself and feel welcomed. I didn’t have many friends and came from a fucked up background. So I saw J & Shags as my role models. I never got to go to the Gathering and it’s been a long time goal of mine (24 now as I’m typing), I can’t express how many times that ICP, the music, the family, saved my life. The times I didn’t want to continue, they got me through it. It’s saddens me to see the pain and anger in J still, I miss that magic feeling from what came from Psychopathic. I’ll never forget it. It feels like home, it’s warm and inviting. I got to read the Behind the Paint book by them a while back and it spoke directly to my core, I underrated things change but that’s something I’ll never forget.
The reason I say I miss the old ICP is because I miss the whole family feeling and people not fighting each other. The music and meaning brought us together, not the money, not the fame.
Twiztid is the shit and I’m down with the clown, dark lotus for life till I’m dead in the ground. WHOOP WHOOP 🤡 MMFWCL
this beef has gone longer than the eminem beef
makes sense. in a way, from their perspective, eminem was just some rando whereas twiztid were close friends.
It's because it wasn't just we don't like them type shit its letting someone into you're life and family and then those same ppl you let in they betray you and find out they were always out for themselves
This aint just beef. They will never reunite.
@@RaxiazReduxthey were never close friends. They were co-workers who had to put on an image to sell to their fans so they can make money. Everyone who worked with J ended up hating him after they left.
Poor Violent J, you can definitely hear how upset he is over the betrayal in his voice. I know the feeling of being hurt by someone you considered family.
I hope they can reconcile.
J also has congestive heart failure and sounds winded in a lot of his recent interviews
@@DonP-gf5hn Damn, poor guy 😢
Poor guy 🤣. Somebody had sex with his brothers daughter.....without his permission? Ok....
I'm from 1985 EST and that straight up is like my dad I did not like that interview at all
you can hear the pain in his voice. i had someone who was supposed to be my boy turn on me and i to this day still feel it.
There's a lot that happened in the background that J opted to not mention here, I don't really feel bad for him at all
I was introduced to icp a young age of 8 years old listening to Santa a fat bitch and the great milenko. When the first introduce twiztid I was an instant fan of them and whoever came on the label until about AMB was signed I’ve heard different things from almost everyone except J. Now i still rep both I wish there was a way to squash the beef but looks like he’s firm on fuck twiztid there too much to this story we won’t know besides them
Same. My closest homie. I think about it every day. It's a legit grieving process. And my buddy stabbed me in the fuckin back 12 years ago..
@@Bandana_Boiso you’re saying alllllll the artist that left psy and joined mne or did their own thing all lied about violent j being an asshole and low key creep? Why do so many ppl have bad stories about him but none about shaggy? Seems weird to me.
@@chrstphrluis2206 Everyone one of those artists were close friends with Twiztid before they ever signed to MNE sans AMB - and Twiztid are the only ones who have been talking publicly about ICP, no one else in the MNE camp has said a word but Otis. No one can ever find me a video of Blaze saying how "teŕrible" ICP treated him.
I respect him being real
That motherfucker ain’t real everything about him is a gimmick. He said young wicked left. They kicked him out after he fucked Jay’s niece.
Not gonna lie Twiztid is rhe whole reason I called myself a lo back in the day. I remember going to the gathering back when the wrath dropped seeing it fall on the crowd how happy everyone was. But I couldn't help but remember that Twiztid made the rafters shake the night they closed and how no one else came close to it. Personally I think Twiztid was the next step to what ICP started and ICP just couldn't except that so the bad blood started from the envy.
Nah icp made twiztid better go listen to there music before they met violent J. Twiztid definitely made it better but they needed that guidance they were going a different way.
@@jimberry5318 not saying you're wrong but like I said I personally always looked at Twiztid as the next step doesn't mean they didn't need help nor does it mean that once they blew up that ICP couldn't have gotten jealous of all the love that Twiztid got.
@@jimberry5318they took the guidance and got way better than ICP ever where
Bro I was at that Gathering too.
ICP started an became a force long B4 twisted an still here we are why ...ICP coat tails
Weather they ever make up or not I'm still gonna support them all. Juggalo 4Life
Nah fuck all them cept ICP
Agreed. I wish them all the best
Same here Homie whoop whoop
Agreed. Fuck picking sides, life's too short for that
Good point - after all they did bless us with a whole generation of refreshing new dope music and culture that changed the game forever, and they did that as a group.
All good things must come to an end. I will always remember the golden years of Psychopathic. Its over now. R.I.P.
NEVER
Violent J almost a decade ago: "Twiztid left because they wanted to be totally independent and stand on their own like ICP does and we respect them for that."
Violent J now: "Fuck Twiztid."
This right here^
That's cause they stole all there artist
Back at that time, they were still close with each other, so J probably didn’t wanna say stuff that would hurt their career, even though behind the scenes he was upset about stuff
Also, at that time, ICP still owned the masters to all Twiztid music. So why would J want to hurt their image, that would cost him money, as ICP makes a cut off all albums sold, as they should, they started the label and own it
@@roccolococo5543blaze and abk were friends with twiztid long before they signed to psy..
thats the story i remember for sure and as twiztid put it Violent J stopped promoting them and was focusing on new talent like big Hoodoo and blahzay rose so they wanted to get their own label going and the bad blood only started with the signing of young wicked
Lets not forget the Cash Kidd interview where Kev literally trashed ICP and juggalos. You better delete that video Kev cause we all have it saved on our laptops. Lol 😅
Still real moment to interview even not being a fan
Oh well he didn’t like something at first
I'm sorry but who is Cash Kidd?? I know who Violent J is but
never heard of him..
@@massagebroadexactly. Nobody knows who cash kidd is lol. Look up bootleg kev cash kidd, he literally makes fun of icp and juggalos. I hope J knows about that interview.
He’s cool with whoever is in the room at the time. Like most people these days. Cowards
I felt bad when I found out they beef years ago.
But the truth is that I fell off of ICP and everything related to them around 2002 when the Wraith came out. Overall their music as a whole took a different turn there, and I think Mike E Clark leaving had a LOT to do with it. I really respect what Clark has done in terms of the sounds these guys had in the 90s. J and Shaggy are very underrated for their storytelling ability.
I loved Twiztid too. I'll never forget the day that I bought Mostateless on cassette. I really loved that album. Outside of Twiztid and Myzery, I never liked any other acts that ICP had. I think that ABK and Boondox, and all that other corny shit all came off as knockoffs of ICP. Basically, all their rappers felt like back yards wrestlers versions of rappers.
But I will never forget how much escape I found in ICPs music as a kid. How I would sit for hours and study the beats and the structures of the songs. The rhyme patterns. And it was all digestible through funny and crazy and wacky shit. I'll always remember that my Carnival of Carnage cassette had a metallic blue backing inside. I'll never forget that my Riddle Box cassette was orange. And I cant tell you what any cassettes after Riddlebox looked like, because THAT was the point in history where I switched to CDs.
Of ALL of rap music, the highest respect I have in terms of hustle and making money and making their own brand, I have for ICP.
I have to agree, things REALLY changed after Mike E left. He had a major major part in the ICP sound and signatures. Been a fan since COC but Jekyll Brothers was around the last of my real stint with them. Just got too far away from what I really knew and loved. I've still been begging Mike E. for an instrumental release of Pass Me By LOL
@@Deetroiter you can still put AJB, Bizzar/Bizaar, The Tempest, and Bang Pow Boom, on random, and it all sounds the same. Mike Clark is king.
Same, after the first six I always was down and still followed ICPs interviews and shit but the music not so much. Same with Twiztid after awhile…I still have my jerseys, and a lot of my old school merch but it’s just not where it was back then and that’s fine I still rock the first 6 and mostasteless, and the green book, mirror mirror etc but I hear you about Mike E Clark
ABK was Native Funk before being part of Psychopathic Records. Violent J didn't come up with his native rap style, it was always part of his style.
Twiztid was more accepted in the beginning than Violent J claims, and by the time Freekshow came out, Twiztid had surpassed ICP in quality.
J is just a bitter man who suffers with extreme highs and lows. He's a polarizing character that's hard to get along with. There's a reason the guy is surrounded by controversy.
Yeah😮
he talks betrayal but was taking 85% of the money... thats why they left. good to see he left so much out of this story like fans dont really know.
Not a fan of icp but that's what I figured it was. . . Money. Not some petty bullshit
Probably for his drugs. He's fucked up almost any interview I see him in.
And they was telling them what they could and couldn't sing
@@anthony6929yeah what is violent j on now? He seems sort of fucked up in the podcasts I see him in.. gotta be more than weed…
@@anthony6929I can see it in this interview now... He grabbed that water bottle too many times and is talking with a slur and a lot of movement… What a shame.
"He got my brothers daughter pregnant.... You know what im saying?"
Yeah, its pretty easy to understand that one, J
J disowned her @@nero48
@nero48 but she is his brothers daughter correct? Grammer nazi.. he was probably just emotional about everything he had said and possibly just was Lil worked up about it all. Heaven forbid he called her his brorhers daughter ..
@@zombiejeeper5601 calling someone just a "niece" is not descriptive enough because his brother help oversee the record label, and is key to the story.
Imagine being this pathetic over someone having sex with your brothers daughter 🤣. They're two adults they can do what they want.
Could of just called the chick his niece but that's just me
You should’ve asked him about Marz claiming J spread false rumors and pinned Marz and Twiztid against each other
I only know Marz because of that song he did with Jonathan Davis from KoRn. haha pretty good track.
J is a well known behind your back shit starter
Marz went hard af on the original tales of the lotus pod @@LeadMe2TheBliss
Yup Marz did say that in his latest interview.
bLK don't know about JUGGALO HISTORY!!!
"know what I'm sayin'?" should be the title of his next album.
People never seem to get over that.
Shaggy says it way more, to be fair.
It's become the ICP motto
Eminem says it a lot
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The whole label left for MNE, when there's a trend you have to look at Psys business. I get the young wicked thing but whys J mad at Blaze or abk or ROC or Boondox? They all have families to feed.
Mabey becuz their joining and doing the fuckery together hmmmm
There's no doubt that Violent J is probably an asshole and was probably hard to work under. With that said, it's hard to imagine MNE helps pay the bills any better. MNE will always be in the shadow of Psychopathic and that's a fact.
Because they followed twiztid and did you stay with psychopathic records. And basically said fuck you to who made them.
@@insanitysplayground547they were Twiztids boys from the beginning, not icps Twiztid is directly responsible for the juggalo culture upbringing
@@fabiangonzalez3365in the shadows lmao yea ok 😅 you kids are hilarious icp is so irrelevant now and has no talent last albums even worth half of shit was the Jekyll brothers
Who remembers when ABK left years ago after finding out he was still listed on contract as a hype man even though he was putting out music? He was getting ripped off. Then he came back after they "fixed" it. They knew what they were doing to that man.
real juggalos aren't beefing over their beef either BTW. We represent the ENTIRE underground, from psychopathic to MNE to strange music to LLE to every independent opener we've ever seen. I feel bad friendships that were so strong ended the way they did, but that's life.
Aren't Twiztid and ICP supposed to be Juggalos themselves? So that would make them fake. ? Lol
@@VideoGameXDomainbro thats why i had to drop all the juggalo shit. i realized around the time tempest came out too much shit was all fake ass people actung like theres something reap when the guys that made it was fake af
@@N-B-MMA SAME WE NEED A BETTER NAME FOR US NOW
Real Juggalos show up for each other, & Twiztid was too scared to show up for us against the FBI. Tell a real jugg to their face theybarent a real jugg over that.
@@drkjesterw9797 Juff is a fitting name if you're not a Juggalo anymore. Have fun with that.
There was definitely a lot more going on than J. is saying yeah they were paying them but not what they should have been paying them. And also changing lyrics to their songs. It's a shame that he can tell his side of the story and cannot admit to all the wrong ICP did wrong to the other talent. That's why they all left they felt boxed in and used J/S
👏🏻 spot on! I saw Twiztid and did vip when Abominationz came out and I asked them why the marketing, for such an amazing album, was so minimal? They said J (not psychopathic) refused to put money into them and it had been like that for a while (listen to the Green Book). But it is crazy to see J act all righteous cause he signed them and helped them get fame. It’s kinda like your homie who listens to a band, and then the band gets big, and your homie is all pissed cause he is og and everyone else is a poser and ain’t a real fan. Moral of my rant is that J should humble himself a little, and I honestly think his inability to do that now for years, has turned off a ton of people aka Twiztid and any other artist who left the label.
They got paid what they were worth ...side act = side act wages and even on their own they'll never be near as big as icp
"i never think about them" you got lotus tatted on your arms. Thats kind of hard to forget dude 😂
And he disses then live every show he does.. so yeah he's definitely thinking about them lol
Just cause you see it everyday doesn’t mean you read it everyday. At least, that’s how my hand tats work.
HOMIES...HE MISSES TWIZTID😢
That many artists jumping ship in quick succession is usually a hint that hey, maybe it ain’t really them it’s you
No... They're all in it together
Yeeh😮
I think the Twiztid shit could be worked out and they never would have to physically interact but ego on both sides are what prevents this. I think even Rob is tired of this shit, Joe needs a little "no" people in his camp to help things work like they used to, but even recently VJ expressed "I'm tired of being told no" which is a shame. The collaborative effort really made that late 99 to 2010 sound and creativity at Psychopathic. Last and best album was Bang Pow Boom, I used to think it was the Amazing Jeckel Brothers but BPB holds the creativity, lyricism and production - and the songs all hold up. Yum Yum has a few gems, the flow and delivery has progressed really well but the overall direction, the planning just isn't there, and I think the tours really take away from knuckles down in the studio for a coherent, unified album. But what's so so today is classic tomorrow. Or cringey. At the end of the day, Joe remains just as creative and talented, I just wish he was challenged more like he was in the Riddlebox, Milenko era.
Damn son well said ! I also think the tempest has that same feel too . Miss that old crimmy feel tho as a late 90’s juggalo
Violent J has had such bad history with damn near everyone hes ever collabed with and been friends with maybe its time to look in the mirror and ask yourself...is it me...????
Facts
so u saying amb and twiztid didnt do them wrong and icp took care and made all of them?
So you're going to blame Violent Jay and say it's his fault that a MARRIED man fucked his brother's daughter and got her pregnant?
He sounds pretty intoxicated in this interview.
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Back in the day, Kottonmouth kingz said something positive about Eminem, and J immediately posted to all the Juggalos they should say fuck Kottonmouth….there seems to be a reason why every artist and long term employee has left, Shaggy and J are doing seperate tours after J said he wouldn’t really tour anymore. I mean writing seems to be on the wall! J is the problem
Wrong, not true, Twiztid beefed with KMK not ICP. They have lines talking shit about KMK in Psychopathics From Outer Space
@@jamesgatz5301 wrong, this shit happened in the dial up days, when the ICP chat room was popping on their website, and Violent J posted that all Juggalos should stop fucking with KMK, because they did a show opening for Eminem. Historical facts, if you were’nt there for it, please don’t interject your Wikipedia search as facts.
@@tannernettles8696 you’re so fucking full of shit because I was there for it and it was Twiztid that beefed NOT ICP. Also KMK opened for D-12 not Eminem. ICP has always been and still is cool with KMK. Either you’re lying or remembering shit wrong.
@@jamesgatz5301”they call him daddy X because he’s like 53 burn; black smoke fills the sky “
@@tannernettles8696facts and kmk is just tweaker ass d loc now , but you can’t reason with this kids who didn’t grow up with this shit, I remember getting riddle box the day it dropped then mile ko the 4 days of freshness before the first gathering in novi etc
WoW that's crazy! Got 1st introduced to both groups on the 3 6 MAFIA song "JUST ANOTHER CRAZY CLICK"! Hate to hear the beef had to happened!
Man that era of music was awesome. So many styles of rap and hip hop and crossovers
Indy rappers look at what artists like ICP and Tech N9ne built independently in such high regard. It's incredible to think something like that is achievable through music. This shit is so f*ckin' hard to do I'm telling y'all. Nothing but respect.
And master P😊
Sometimes when everybody is the asshole the asshole is actually you.
Damnit, as a Juggalo i was bumping House of Krazees so i knew who they were before the jump into Psy.
J’s lying. I used to have it bad for all things Juggalo back in the 90’s and early 00’s. So it really broke my heart when Twiztid and company left. I can’t stand the way J has “evolved”. He is narcissistic and a liar. He is a lot of things he used to rap about hating. Saying he was mad because Twiztid said the N word 😅😅😅 whatever J. How come we hardly see Shaggy with him anymore? Maybe it’s because distance makes the heart grow fonder. I will always love their old stuff, and Twiztid has only gotten better since the split. But I admit. Homies still makes my heart break. So does Dark Lotus.
i agree with everything you said about J. its hard to listen to J talk these days becauses hes became so cringey. but i dont like the new rock stuff twiztid is trying to do, like sucking up to the emo bands and the warped tour crowd. they used to make fun of emo bands and the warped tour
@@murdacloak406 I respect your opinion, no doubt. Personally I am a fan of the rock/hybrid stuff. But it still just can’t compare to the Green Book and Dark Lotus Twiztid I love so much. I can’t listen to anything after Bang Pow Boom as far as ICP goes, with the exception of Flip The Rat. That was pretty good to me. You took the words right outta my mouth saying J is so cringey now. He really is! Shaggy somehow stays out of it mostly and that’s best for him. I think when J came out and made a whole video defending his daughter’s “furry” shit, I lost it. That was so embarrassing 😂😂
That icp twiztid and three six mafia stuff was so dope
So many folks in the entertainment business don't know how to properly honor and respect someone who stuck their neck out for them. Really sad to hear the details on this. I have love for the genre and actually was listening to House of Krazees (Twiztids old indie group) here in Michigan. ICP will always be legends around here. Mad love and respect for those guys doing business the right way independently...way before it was cool or even know to do so. Very few have done it alone better!!
But bro, when you put your homies on you should want them to go just as far as you. So because they wanted to start their own label, it was a problem????
This is where the juggalo community splits. Because half of them are mad that twizted wanted to start their own label. Ridiculous
HOK does stuff now lol.
@hennyroos5996 I'm talking over 10 plus years ago. They were a local group. This isn't some kinda flex or inaccurate info. It was the ROC and current Twiztid. Look it up.
@@RandyBadour I don't need to look it up. One thing, that's over 25 years ago. Second thing, they've been doing HOK stuff recently. Which is what I said. 🤦♀️
I'm on both sides but I honestly don’t believe J about Twiztid. 🤷♂️
Juffalo
ICP downplaying the effects that Twiztid and the rest of the crew had on psychopathic and their sales/money is exactly why so many of them left ICP behind. Twiztids beef with AMB signing wasn’t so much about them, but that ICP also told them they had to start paying for their own marketing and publishing. Which made them say what’s the point in being on a label?
Nah Icp was psychopathic everyone else was just .......everyone else
What was the big deal with Young Wicked seeing J's brother's daughter? It was all consensual. That part of the beef is just silly to me.
That’s scummy as fuck
Iirc, it was an affair. Young Wicked was married and had 3 kids. Jumpsteady's daughter was essentially his side girl.
Well, he has run off every single artist that was ever on his label and ran his own business into the ground. Not really much to say.
Facts.
YES! YES! I KNOW WHAT YOURE SAYIN!
What I'm sayin is what I'm talkin about and it's what I mean naw what I'm sayin?
We just need that dark lotus album homie…
Have no idea who that is,,, there music is dumpster juice and ppl who listen to it smoke meth and have dirty sneakers
Mne already did rydas,why not lotus? They only don't have shaggy and j but joes shaggy's ghost writer so it's pretty much only 1 guy. Twiztids cool with marz (the original)
@@1TheRingmaster7shaggy sat in RUclips and wrote his own song lol
Lotus without Marz is incomplete
@@therealianco51 what ever that weird trailer park shit means
I remember meeting violent J and shaggy back in 2013 GOTJ backstage. Really down to earth
Necro said that he would never work with ICP again, due to the fact that J would barely pay enough to cover their expenses.
Pay your own expenses why tf a dude who put you on supposed to buy your chain, and your cloths, and pay for your CDs and merch to be promoted and GIVE YOU SOME EXTRA MONEY y'all tripping violent j is not responsible for a bunch of grown men.
Once ICP signed these guys they became a big part of the juggalo culture and world.
Saying you hate them is a way to alienate half your fan base. Not a good idea. Makes it feel like Lotus was for nothing in the end.
Sad honestly. It was supposed to be "juggalo love" now its all hate. Lol
Its not the same anymore from a fan point of view. As a business.... I get it though.
Rather he be honest than speak like a politician
Anyone paying attention knows twiztid earned this response from J
Bro the fan base BEEN divided way before this interview. I respect J for not sugar coating the beef. Remember, House of Krazees been hated ICP since back in the 90’s. The beef is personal
@@lordjacob33 That was different though in the 90s before they got signed. Once they became "fam" and did Lotus and brainwashed the fan base for cash and it's really not like that it's kinda lame at that point. Y'all got it tatted on your arms, now it's ah fuck them all. It got stupid.
The OG Mostasteless album is the best release on Pyschopathic Records ever.
Twiztid didn't need corny shtick, they had actual talent.
@@eriknelson45 Bet.
Iv been ao done with the juggalo world since i left gathering 17. Loved seeing wizard of the hood live. Fulfilling my childhood dream. Then it was time to move on
lol first minute of the interview
“What do you think about twiztid?”
Violent J “fuckem… fuckem. Fuckem. Fuckem.” 😂
At 41 years old. Graduated Class of 02. I remember when Icp put Twisted on. Such good memories and shows. Hard to believe it's been 25 years +
You can feel and see what this did and what kinda impact it had on the entire culture that ICP CREATED! I love em all cuz I grew up on them all maybe not so much amb but you can tell this shook him to his core! I feel you VJ
-rip dark lotus :/
Everyone jumped ship from Psychopathic, makes you wonder.....
This is what happens when you let people in and let them essentially emulate you they will eventually try to replace you.
Very well said.
That never happened. Twiztid never tried to be ICP. They aren't a clone they're a Frankenstein.
Emulation is the most sincerest form of flattery twisted absolutely wanted to be ICP God knows they weren't $-jt B4
Been down since 2000. This is still mind blowing man.
J is bitter that Twiztid wanted to grow as much as they could and couldn't do that at psychopathic. If J didn't flip out and just understood they would all still be cool and working together with the 2 labels.
That’s my point in the whole thing they wanted to become self-sufficient they wanted to do what ICP did and creating their own label and being successful J didn’t wanna lose that money, the revenue of their sales. And obviously there was something else going on if all of their good artists left and went to Mne
Listen to yourself... wicked fucked jumsteadys daughter then goes to.mne who they hated each other.. there was fuxkery from twiztid
You can hear the pain in Jays voice. They may have made the characters who were Twiztid, but Jamie and Pauls talent is unmatched by any one on psychopathic. There also is another side to the story.
Ouija Mac better then them all
@@johnfrank939 you must be gone off the same crack J smoked if you truly believe that, and that's coming from an O.G since 96'
@@mike1989libra LMMFAO!!!!!! That crack headed, bootleg chia-pet, mumble rapper is 100lbs of pure raw sewage! I'd rather listen to Macho Man Randy Savege's rap album on repeat for the next year straight before I even TRIED to lie and say how crotch goblin mac is "Better then them all". by the way, it's spelled than, not then. Than is used when you're talking about comparisons; then is used when you're talking about something relating to time. Imbecile.
@@johnfrank939the fuck!? I like both groups but Twiztid is MUCH better than anyone at psychopathic.
@@GHEYSTUFF I still bump all these guys but totally agree. Twiztid have been consistent since Mostasteless unlike everyone else. It does make me sad, been a fan since 11 years old, 23 years and always will be but all I want is another Dark Lotus album and shit to be cool between the homies again.
I love how not once did he actually address the beef with Twiztid 😂 He essentially just talked about his beef with the dude from axe murda boys for 10 min.
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Cuz the beef had been known. He asked if they squashed it. And he said no because they betrayed him more than all that other beef shit.
he actually confirmed not squashing and basically explained why (you know by telling him what happened with that dude and they sign him), he let it be known their problem fueled after that move, i mean it really is a dick move if you come to think about it.
Squash the beef. It's childish. That daughter & Young Wicked should come out & apologize to the whole crew.
But in all reality. It's childish to destroy such a great thing over a daughter being a $l√t. Sorry. But a rake is a rake & a hoe is a hoe. She knew he had a family. So what does that say about her? What does that say about daddy? Get down to the bottom line. Y'all let some trivial shit get in the way of greatness.
As a Juggalo since I was about 5 years old, I've had mad love for ALL artists on the Hatchet, current and former. Was I upset that Twiztid fell out of Psychopathic? Fuck ya I was, but everyone on both Psychopathic and Majik Ninja are producing bangers after bangers.
I don't pick sides during this beef. J and Joey have their opinions about MNE, and Jamie & Paul have theirs about Psychopathic. It is what it is.
I'll support both until my very last breath. Same goes with Esham and his people at Reel Life/Gothom, as well as any horrorcore artist who has the talent in my eyes.
Fuck this beef though! Breaks my heart.
I kinda feel bad for Violent J. He is hurting from the betrayal
This is highly debatable. Yes they brought on Twiztid. Twiztid greatly helped bring the rap skills with the wicked shit that Juggalos love. AMB was later and yes the first time I saw them live to the last time I saw them live was like night and day. I dont blame Twiztid at all for saying "Fuck that" at first. Much props to Twiztid for giving them a chance especially Young Wicked. Twiztid is just as talented if not more and is doing great as far as I'm concerned. Even the recent LP Songs of Samhain was not only dope AF but had all of the other major original artists on it. ICP can't say that. Much love to both.
#Twiztid
Most of the fam has been hating on Ouija Macc and Big Hoodoo for years. How come they cant pull the following that Twiztid, Blaze and ABK were pulling for the label?
The amount of times Twiztid got albums pushed back but yall were just giving out record deals?
Aint it funny everyone dropped from their label and all cool with each other. And.... Nobody wants to mess with ICP anymore. Yet MNE are all the "bad" guys. Something doesnt add up here. Oh and ICP hasnt had a good album in 20 years. They arent exactly on that wraith tip anymore.
It’s even more funny that the only people messing with ICP are major interviewers and big name artist. While the only people messing with Twiztid is the same 4 nobody horrorcore rappers
@@jamesgatz5301 lmfao you lost
Bang pow boom was 2009. Bangin
@@drizzache6663 Okay I meant great album. BPB was decent and Death Pop was good. But no where near platinum status.
@@VideoGameXDomain in my opinion bang pow boom was the epitome of everything they've done perfected. But yanno that's just me. Death pop was aight but didn't have the same vibe. Everything after that hasnt been very good. Again just my opinion
Seeing him like this tears😢me up you know he's sick
Big time.
Even if bad ish went down, J needs to stop trash talking. Twiztid, abk, Tech n9ne. It just looks bad on J.
So an adult had a consenting relationship with another adult, but then dad and uncle are mad adults decided to do adult things. Once someone is grown you really have no say in what choices they make, where's the anger at the niece? Autonomy is a real thing.
It's not that simple though, is it? When one is a close business associate and the other is not only a close family member, but the daughter of one of the heads of the business and niece of another, you just have to know not to go there. Even when the father finds out and gives him a second chance, and he still keeps doing it? That's low life behavior.
The pos had a baby momma back home he was cheating on while sleeping on this dudes couch
Bro, you can't be this dumb. The dude went behind not only his wife and kids back, but behind the backs of the 2 dudes that gave him a career and pay his bills. Plus she was way younger than him. What he did was foul as fuck and if you can't see that you are a garbage person period.
Dude's trash. And other than J or Jumpsteady's wife, who else would've been worse to cheat on his woman with than A bosses KID?
You mean a guy with a pregnant girl and a daughter is sleeping with some other guy's daughter. And from the sounds of it, it wasn't a real relationship. So ya dad and uncle are mad that that the daughter is a passaround and the guy is a deadbeat.
If it hasn't already happened, I'd like to see ya'll do an interview with Twiztid.
I'll see
They wanted to own their "Masters" and that's where the shit went left
Apparently things turned badly back in the days, way before the departure of Twiztid and Blaze during a Lotus tour, J lost his mind and wanted to punch Paul.
@@siavonsenzu6959 Yeah I could see that
I met Jaimie, Mono, and blaze in Missoula, MT in the early 2000s. It was pretty chilly and i was in shorts. All the dick riders surrounded the tour bus to see Jaimie while my buddy and I shared a joint with blaze. After jaimie got on the bus everyone left. I told my friend "i aint leavin until i meet mono". So we waited for like an hour when across the parking lot two dudes, no paint, started walking towards us. I felt the excitement build up and as the one dude pulled the hood of his jacket off his head, i heard the voice of Mono say "aint you motherfuckers cold !?!?". I was so happy and excited i yelled out "not anymore!!! Whats up dawg!?" I got to talk with him for about 5 minutes before they left. I still have my Twiztid weed leaf print flatbill signed by all 3 of them. Ill never forget that night for the rest of my life.
its understandable if it was just twiztid that left but EVERYBODY ended up leaving,theres no way everyone you picked in life would just stab you in the back all of a sudden at the same time,dude needs to look in the mirror and find out what the real issue might be.
This was one real interview!
I have respect for both MNE and psychopathic records but to hear Violent J vent about these tensions is heartbreaking to me
I hope they reconcile because the both of them were great together back then!
One thing no one can say to ICP, is that they didn't do this themselves. They started their own thing, their own label, their own festival and more. They may not be for everyone but they've done so much good shit.
I'm not a juggalo anymore..I'm 44 yrs old now but from the time I was 18 to bout 23 I was a diehard I feel off after the the wraith fell an I lost interest but I will say as young man the juggalo were the most generous ppl an they accepted everybody nobody what they did make me feel loved so for all the formers ..the grown up dads with the boring life's now lol thank u for making feel like family..icp an Twiztid were apart of that hopefully it'll be crushed
Same bro .....same ! You just took my life story right out of my mouth
@@IamJR616-m2w well gotta admit if was a blast while it lasted glad to hear from ya as a former myself got your back cuz we all in this together
This was only Violent J's side of the drama. Jamie Madrox of Twiztid gave a completely different perspective of the falling out. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
man twiztids freekshow album was crazy. i remember first listening to that
How many times did yall get rid of AMB before Otis became your "protege"?
Man, AMB used to be my favorite on Psychopathic. I loved there sound, and they definitely had talent. That's CRAZY what they did to J. I know a lot of people weren't really into AMB, and I get it. I just liked em a lot. I feel off psychopathic for a long time. Just recently started coming back, and I'm seeing all this beef going on and shit. It's sad that everyone betrayed them like this. Yes, everyone's allowed to do their own thing, and part ways from their original label. Nothing wrong with that. Even if that label made them and gave them loyalty everything they had. It happens. But I'm sure there's a lot more to it than just them leaving. And that's what hurts fr. But the whole thing with dude from AMB hooking up with J's niece? That's fucked up. Guess he was really bout that "Scrub Life", huh?
Is jay tweaking or something? Seems like he’s stammering and jawing or something…
I think hes just tipsy.
You a cop?
J is leaving out alot i mean twiztid got better after finding him yes but twiztids talent elevated through the years and that had nothing to do with J and he needs to understand that
I've sort of been off the Psychopathic bandwagon for over a decade now and just watching the first minute of this video where J says the words, "Fuck Twiztid"... blows my fucking mind. ICP and Twiztid were like inseparable brothers!!!
As an ex fan of all these guys and just stumbled on to this, he's lying about the juggalos not responding to twiztid when they first debuted on tour. Man, everyone ate that shit up. They were the heirs apparent. I hated the panda facepaint, but fans LOVED it and started dressing like them for shows. J also didn't come up with Anybody Killa's native gimmick, he was literally rapping as Native Funk with native facepaint before joining the label, J didnt go "Hey Native Funk, my idea is to make you a native rapper" lol
I waited so long for the day twiztid would leave psychopathic. Unfortunately it was too late. Twiztid would’ve made it a lot bigger if they didn’t go with psy. They’re 30Xs more talented than ICP could ever dream of.
Without twiztid. ICP would’ve for sure died out long ago. My opinion.
@@makv6894I agree 100% icp might have started all this but Twiztid and Blaze and the rest helped them grow to where they are. Twiztid better rappers. Better story telling. And it just says so much seeing that everyone from psychopathic left to join Twiztid. I think Js ego is the problem and needs to swallow his pride. There is a lot of money to be made in them just squashing this beef and ending this juggalo civil war. Would love to see Twiztid show up at the gathering and them hug it out in front of the Family.
@@chrishoover2681 ICP's height of their mainstream popularity were solo. They went over first decade growing and growing. They would have survived without them, and been doing fine without them for the last 10 years as well.
I can also understand as a person myself that some of these close people to you can not be good for you and other people don't need to understand. Whoop Whoop to all...
Always breaks my heart hearing about icp beef with twiztid. Turns out they really was twisted
Turns out violent j has the iq of a door knob and every worth a shit left psychopathic
I had to cut this short because I couldn't stand hearing "know what I'm sayin" anymore....know what I'm sayin?
Super fire interview bro
Seeing him this bitter after all this time breaks my fucking heart. Enough with this shit already, squash it.
J is all over the fucking place with these accusations. He sounds so goddamn out of breath as well. I dont think he even remembers what even happened anymore
The thing was once records went away and money got tight, relationships got tested. I'd imagine it took a minute to educate themselves on how this digital shit works. Marketing, album sales, etc, even J admits it took a minute to catch on the new way of how music is being sold.
Idk man.. it's a shame, but I was only bumpin' Blaze, ABK, Twiztid & everyone else because ICP gave them the stamp. And to me, C17 all the way from Ouija to Hexxx to Darby all the way to Psychopathic with ICP, they're doing dope shit.
Good take. never thought that
bro you should listen to artists because you enjoy them not because they got a "seal of approval" from another artist.
@@RaxiazRedux I do genuinely enjoy them, of course.