1st in your age category and tenth place overall. Incredible achievement! It's crazy the amount of blood, sweat and tears runners put into training and it so often comes down to how you feel on the day...or during the very short period of time in that day when the race actually takes place! I've really enjoyed watching the journey and look forward to the next one!
I really admire the thoroughness and detail of this series. It's great, even for a slow runner like myself, to have your insights on how you push yourself and set demanding goals.
You’re a legend. I’ve been thinking about you and your attempt since yesterday, and even tho it wasn’t exactly what you wanted in terms of time, I just wanted to point out that it is a blast to join you along the journey. I have never felt so inspired to run as I feel now, and I owe you that ❤
Wow. Love this comment so much. Thank you! I’ve really enjoyed making the videos and having the support of you guys has been amazing. I’m so glad my ups and downs have got you out the door. Love this.
Great to hear you being so positive about it. I looked at your 5k splits and kind of deduced that you had reset the game plan relatively early on. Still a great achievement and sounds as though you have learned a lot from the experience. Thanks for the series and look forward to seeing what's next. Aside: I bagged my first sub 40 min 10k yesterday (52yrs)
That key adjustment after listening to your body and being honest with yourself was crucial. Not many runners have the mental ability to do this mid-race, well done! Sounds like that cold is still lingering, so unlucky but your training rescued the day since you knew exactly the effort to dial in. I’ve enjoyed watching this journey, thanks for sharing it. Definitely given me inspiration 👍👍
Amazing time and achievement - well done. Was cheering you on virtually though the app. I also love the way that you own all of your training. Can’t wait to see what’s next mate 💪
It’s actually very inspirational to hear you say that you simply “didn’t feel it,” because I thought this only happens to those of us who don’t run as fast as you! We are only human and regardless of prep sometimes it just doesn’t happen on race day… Still, great run!
"It," happens all the time, and probably just as often to us runners who are either faster/more experienced. A bad day just looks a bit different to an "outsider." The most important part is to take the lessons that are given to you and learn, hopefully, to also take these in stride and not allow them to grate on you too much.
Well done 👍💪 you inspire me! I’m going for 2.38 at Berlin next Sunday aged 52. I ran 2.42 in London, training has gone fab, I’m feeling good, watch this space! I’d love to meet up at some point you and Tommy Hughes (2.30 at 60+) are my hero’s 💪💥
Well done! Certainly, we've all been there when those first few miles indicated it was going to be a rough day out there. Way to dig deep to get it done. Looking forward to your next training video. Congratulations! Really enjoyed all other video footage from Canmore, a beautiful place on earth.
First off, congrats on a great race. Even though it wasn’t the race you wanted, so many lessons can be learned for the next one. The marathon is such a strange beast. Your series so far has inspired me to go faster over this distance and I will see if that happens in 2 weeks. Look forward to your next challenge.
Thank you!! I appreciate those kind words. Yes what a strange beast! It’s what keeps us coming back, right? Good luck in your race in 2 weeks. Let me know how it goes!
You’re an inspiration, live for another day, Duncan! All things need to come together on a day that you had planned. So impressed how constructive you take this. Yes, you got it in you. Admit: you want us to stay tuned in - all exited about your future endeavors. 💪🏼
Incredibly well done. I'm so impressed by your attitude so soon after the race. It's inspirational and I hope to go into my next race, the Detroit Free Press Marathon, with a similar mindset. I can't wait to continue the journey with you to your next attempt.
Ah man. It’s okay to feel disappointed. Given what you put in. It was a tough course. The elevation wasn’t bad, I just didn’t like all the turns and decelerations and accelerations. That one 50m turn at 36k seems like just silly planning. I also did more than 42.2 and did all the tangets. At least the weather was nice. Finished 3rd in my age group. (40-49)
I look forward to watching you train for the next one. You have a good knack at this you tube thing. I did get a chance to shake your hand at the start line right behind the elites. Safe flight home!
That was an amazing run! ❤️ I’m so glad you are proud of your race. You should be. The fact that you ran a similar time to Carmel when you were feeling “off” bodes well for when you feel “on it” next time!! Being able to switch things up and keep motivated during the marathon when you knew it wasn’t going the way you wanted takes strength and determination and those attributes and that knowledge you will carry over to the next race! That 2.30 time you desire is right around the corner !! I look forward to following along with what’s next!! ❤️
It really is. I’m so heartened by how amazing everyone has been. So supportive and relatable. Who says the internet is full of trolls? You guys are amazing. Thank you.
You got the thing done, man. Didn’t go how you wanted it to, but you got it done! I started watching around the hour fifty mark and I’ll admit I was worried and then thought oh there’s just something wrong with the tracker. Got a little emotional watching the tracker as I knew you were gutting it out the last 10k! Major kudos. Can’t wait for the recap… on to the next!!
Thanks so much! Around 1:50 was when I was starting to hurt a lot. I couldn’t have run any faster today but I could definitely have run a lot slower. Onto the next one! Thanks so much for all your support along the way. It means a lot.
Thanks for getting your initial thoughts out so quickly... I checked the results yesterday and sometimes when things go "wrong", they really go "wrong"... but a 2:39 is so admirable! Its shows your early decision to pivot was key.... keen to hear more from you on the next one
Thank you! Appreciate those kind words. I’m sure you’ll knock Abingdon out the park but it’s always good to remember those last 6 miles are where it’s all at!
Glad you finished it with a nice time, despite you felt it in the beginning it's not your day. I know you haven't reached your main goal, but I love how positive you are and know you can do it next time. I must learn from you! Thank you for sharing your experiences with us!
Well done and really impressive on so many fronts. I love how you just listened to your body and adjusted accordingly. Some days it feels great and some days it doesn’t. I think we realize to put together an A race the stars really have to align. Your training shows you are capable of the sun 2:30 goal and just need a good fast course and to have your day. Also love the video with stats. So cool to see the data! Looking forward to what’s next, keep inspiring!!
Great running, even if it didn't go to plan exactly. You achieved a different kind of success and managed to hold it together on. a tough day. The fact that you have been a bit under the weather was probably a factor. Thanks for the videos and keep inspiring us old guys.
Well done! I can relate very much to this. You definitely made the right decision to gon feel. My last marathon I made the mistake you avoided and continued on pace with HR to high. I had a PB, but the suffering it took after hitting the wall at KM28 made be feel depressive so I did not really enjoy it the way I hoped for. If I had ran the race on feel I would had a PB as well and enjoyed it much more. And less time needed for recovery! You will be happy up and running soon!
It’s so true. How you feel about a marathon comes down to the second half. I ran almost the same time yesterday as I did in Carmel but Carmel was a negative split and I was so much more positive about it. Give it another go and I’m sure you’ll have a much better experience. We rarely get it right first time around. (I know I didn’t!)
Congratulations! This is still very very competitive time to achieve despite all of the circumstances you faced prior the race! Time to celebrate and slowly get ready for next one you can do it! 💪
Thank you!! It’s easy if you have the right gear. I have an insta360 go3s camera and a garmin forerunner 965 watch. In the insta360 app you just press “stats” and it does it all for you!
Kudos to sticking it out, even when you weren't feeling it. Also, just before the wall, you REALLY showed what you are made of after that 6:28. Good luck with your next attack on 2:30.
Yes it could easily have gone seriously off the rails at that point. The 250ml of coke I downed at that point and the end of the uphills definitely helped but I was very satisfied with how I closed it out!
@@global-runner yeah definitely f1 track is nice to run. yeah especially the last 10k. Those hills had me walking+cramps 😅 but still managed to clock a sub3. Have you not looked at marathon du p’tit train du Nord? It’s a really fast course.
Superb effort Global Runner!! Really enjoyed following the series- really inspiring stuff. Well done on toughing it out. One thing I was wondering was whether you put your 10K/HM times in to race predictor calculaters etc.?
Thank you! I didn’t. I knew my races weren’t fast enough. I had some good training but for some reason the races leading up to yesterday didn’t show the same level. I need to think about why that was.
Great series, enjoyed following the journey, better luck next time. Out of interest what was your video capturing set up during the run and what did you use for the stats overlay. Look forward to the next attempt:)
Great job Duncan, 26 miles is still a huge accomplishment. Dont discount the humidity today a lot more humid in Montreal than the air around Canmore. Stilll a solid performance, better days ahead!
Well done mate, sometimes the most satisfying runs aren’t your best ones, it’s the ones like this where you didn’t feel it but didn’t give up. That’s what takes character and persistence and you’ll definitely reap the rewards of that in your next race. Looking forward to the next chapter 👍💪
Well done anyway. It’s great that you were able to know what to do. I’ve only been running a few years and I done a 1/2 marathon that day and with about 5 k to go I just couldn’t push my self. I just didn’t feel it. It ended up being a pain fest. I was about 2 mins slower than the year before.
No worries, GR, this is just one race. You'll get back to 2:30! I noticed after 400 m you were still sub 3:20 pace! That might have been a bit of a shock too...
Maybe! I was just trying to settle in to a rhythm so I didn’t check my watch until after a few minutes. I don’t think it had a huge impact but it’s possible. That would be annoying if I ruined it in the first 400m! :)
Magnificent run. I am definitely you would have ran 2.30 but for the cold you got. You got it at the worst possible time. I’m speaking from experience as the same happened to me in Chicago in 2022.
Great job! If you’re looking for a fast Marathon soon then Valencia Marathon Trinidad Alfonso is due the 1 of december. It’s a fast course. It’s not optimal to get a cold the same week of the race.
Well done mate. I just feel you need to get your half marathon pb down to around 71 minutes before a 2.30 is possible. Did you feel your training was faster this build up compared to previous build up?
Yes you’re right. I was definitely faster and fitter this build. So it’s a bit disappointing to end up with the same time. But I can definitely build on this. And you’re right, I need to get that next few percent.
I actually thought about you during my mountain run today. When you asked in a previous video if you’ll make the time. I was thinking that there’s no way that I would know because a lot of it depends on how you feel that particular day. Big goals like that coming down to a single day can be rough. While nine minutes is a lot to take off, if you “weren’t feeling it” that day that could definitely be worth nine minutes or more. The body is such a mystery. I wish you luck if you give it another go.
I will definitely be giving it another go!! :) I hope you had a good run in the mountains. I need to find some to run in - too much pavement this year!
Great meeting you Duncan! Sorry I didn't stick around to chat more but I knew the countdown was coming and I wanted to get my warmup in. I think three things got you. 1) The course. Montreal isn't a PB course. Too many hills. 2) You were sick. 3) Most likely too many marathons in too short a time. I think proper rest and a proper longer buildup will get you under 2h30. For sure you can do this. That isn't the issue. The issue is picking the right course, giving yourself enough time to rest and build up correctly. Either way, I'll be watching you. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Montreal. À bientôt!
@@global-runner I PB'd but the family has been sick all week and I got it too.. I cracked with 6km to go.. Dizzy, felt horrible.. But, the goal race is the marathon in Valencia in December.
@@global-runner I think Valencia is your 2025 goal. You can ramp up your training as the weather starts cooling off. It's pancake flat. You can take the family for a little vay-kay after.. If you can't get in as an elite, then you'll have to wake up early and get in line, online to get a spot. There's no lottery, but it sells out.. Safe travels home to YYC.
Wow why did everyone sprint off haha Great series I really enjoyed. From the sounds of it the climbs didn't make it ideal for 229.well done managing the race well and not having a disaster
Wow our running stories are so similar. I missed my goal this year of becoming the world's fastest over 50s runner, at the mile distance also my just over 10 minutes so i feel you pain.
All you can ask for after a huge race is being satisfied with your effort. The same level of effort can have wildly different outcomes on different days due to course profile, personal health (physical and mental), temperature, humidity, wind, course congestion, etc. etc. etc. It's why I LOVE running with power (Stryd). I know if I execute certain power targets, regardless of the time, I had a GREAT day. On race day, I watch my realtime power, my average power per segment (1st 5k, 5-32k, 32-36, 36-42.2) and I will monitor my HR to make sure I don't tip into threshold until after 32k. If you keep stacking these blocks your goal happen organically. Enjoy the process!
This is really interesting. I think I’d like to get more data on power to see if that is a helpful stat. I subs like it is. It would be great if someone could tell us what our average heart rate needs to be those first 32k. That would be highly individual but would also have the same effect.
@@global-runner That's easy. Determine your LT2 and stay 5+BPM ( could be more or less depending on your own Max HR) below that till 32k or 36k, whatever feels comfortable to you. Everytime and anytime spent near or above that LT2 is burning matches and forcing your body to turn off most/all of your fat burning. While I run by power, if I see my heart rate hit 180BPM I immediately back off till it goes to 175 and stays there. Once I hit 32k....everything goes out the window, and I hold as much power as I know I safely can without blowing up, which is normally 10k power/effort till the finish. Power is a game changer and in a few years will probably be the primary metric people will be using.
Still a fantastic time!! Some days its just not your day, and kudos for coming up with an alternative race plan and holding it together. Do you think your recent illness was the issue? From the first 2 miles of race footage it looked a lonely course, no one to work with or crowds to spur you on. Looking forward to your next endeavour 👊
Yes I didn’t feel great race day either. I looked back at a video I did whenever was warming up and I says exactly that. Forgot about that in all the excitement but I think I just wasn’t up to it yesterday.
I've only ever run london as a big city marathon, I've run it 9 times and absolutely love it! Unless you can get in a fast starting pen you will be bogged down by traffic tho 👍
A few takeaways: 1. Course is not a fast course. 2. Performance is intermittent and arbitrary for everyone. Some days the body just clicks. 3. No major changes to training required. Just more of the same and your fitness will improve with the passing of time.
Wow, those first 500 meters were super fast. Do you think it would have made any difference if you had eased into it? Not sure how easy that is though with everyone around you sprinting away.
No I don’t think they were the issue. It was downhill and flat and I quickly settled in to the rhythm of it. (Plus like you say, it’s tough not to just follow everyone else!)
8th overall and 1st in your age group on a bad day? Super inspirational. What was the worst part of the course for you? The long shadeless trek down St Laurent and back after splitting from the half marathon runners or the hills after 35 k?
I had some bad moments early on for no apparent reason. I didn’t feel great at 10k but then 15-25 the downhill helped me settle in a bit. 28-35 were brutal. Long straight uphill section. But after 35k I felt much better and was able to hang on. So I would say the worst part was around 10k. Which is way too early to be struggling!
Did I see the F1 course? Not a bad race, volume wasn’t there to support marathon pace, illness can also so set you back, 2:39 is not bad at all given the circumstances.
I had a feeling that it mightn't go your way when you were having that bad spell a few days before the marathon. But most people would take your result in a heartbeat. You must be in the top 10 age 50 in the world this year? I was trying to find the result for your age group world wide but couldn't find it. I know you placed 1st for this marathon.
Thank you! Yes the lead-up week was not what I wanted but you just gotta go with what you have on the day. I do need to look into why I seem to get sick in the taper though
Yes I agree. It was looking like that was going to be on the cards for a while there but I think I just got in too of it early enough. Such a fickle beast the marathon!
It's funny how a marathon can play tricks on you. But you also had some signs of illness days prior to the race, maybe that was an indicator for how you felt on race day. Maybe you pushed yourself just a little too hard in training and the body decided to go into recovery mode. Maybe a longer taper next time? It is hard to say. My first marathon (Copenhagen 2023) went terribly wrong. Already after 17K my quads gave on me and the rest of the race they just starting hurting more and more and it was a battle. But I didn't slow down and I didn't listen to my body so about 50 meters before the finish my body just stopped functioning and I had to stop and get help from samaritans. I still don't know what went wrong and why my quads gave up so early. But what I learned was to go by feel and let the race come to you, not the other way around. Only look at your watch for inspiration and to understand how you are doing don't use it to force a pace or anything else like that on race day. So I respect how you tackled the race on this particular day and swallowed your pride. I guess this is what is fascinating with marathon you never quite know how it is going to turn out. I think the half marathon is much more predictive. So that can be your next goal? But you should definitely also try this goal on the marathon again just give yourself time to recover mentally and physically.
Yikes. That’s a crazy thing to have happen to you. I’m glad you’re ok! I think that vindicates my decision today. I definitely could see a death march in the last 10k without some serious pace management.
Looking at the head cam footage, no crowd, so no atmosphere for the first few K at least, fairly up and down on the GP track, and a quite a few bends over a short period. Anyway, you left everything out there, it just wasn’t your day. You’ll definitely get sub 2.30. Try Valencia, cool, flat and plenty of atmosphere!
I quite at the 32-33km :( took the subway to go get my bagage LOL my stomach didn't agree with me I don't know how you can drink Coke ... I had a hard time drinking the electrolyte beurk!
I’m so sorry to hear this. It’s tough when the day isn’t working out for you. You’d done the hardest part of the course though - so take comfort from that. The last 8-10k were a lot more manageable than that uphill grind between 25-35k. I think I needed the coke! My body needed some assistance at that point and it was just what I had hoped it would be! Thought about redemption yet? Another race soon maybe?
@@global-runner I think I just need to go back to the drawing board and do some weight training I've run 10(ish) marathon since 2012 and that's only my 2nd ''unfinished'' race but I took a break during the pandemic and since I've return to marathon training I feel like I lost some musculation and power. I think I need to take a step back this winter and start going to the gym :( again 🤮 hate gyms! LOL
That’s a great assessment. We definitely need a lot of body work! I think this is a great reminder for me too. Got to make sure I get back in the gym when I’m recovered. It’s so important.
I only do 5k, but I’m gonna act like I know what I’m talking about here …lols. Maybe a modified taper. You did get ill, and takes more than a few days to get to 100%. My distance friends often get ill at the end. Maybe instead of a last week taper, cut 10% or add a rest day per week the last three weeks. A couple days of extra rest over several weeks , is worth a million. These sudden tapers never made sense to me…as it’s like a shock to the body (even though it’s less work). A week is nothing to the body for anyone over 30. I believe that it plays on your immune system in negative ways. Just like build ups should be gradual, so should tapers.
This is a great comment. I do need to work out what’s going on with the taper and getting sick. I think you’re right that I need to back off earlier and not as aggressively.
2:39 is fast for 50 year old for sure but 13s per km slower is too much even for 5km let alone 42km Thats the difference between tempo and threshold almost
1st in your age category and tenth place overall. Incredible achievement! It's crazy the amount of blood, sweat and tears runners put into training and it so often comes down to how you feel on the day...or during the very short period of time in that day when the race actually takes place! I've really enjoyed watching the journey and look forward to the next one!
Thanks so much for your comment. You’re absolutely right. It’s all down to the day but it’s why we love this sport so much, right? :)
I really admire the thoroughness and detail of this series. It's great, even for a slow runner like myself, to have your insights on how you push yourself and set demanding goals.
Thank you! We’re all the same. We just run at different speeds (my best friend was an Olympian so I know this very well!). :)
You’re a legend. I’ve been thinking about you and your attempt since yesterday, and even tho it wasn’t exactly what you wanted in terms of time, I just wanted to point out that it is a blast to join you along the journey. I have never felt so inspired to run as I feel now, and I owe you that ❤
Wow. Love this comment so much. Thank you! I’ve really enjoyed making the videos and having the support of you guys has been amazing. I’m so glad my ups and downs have got you out the door. Love this.
Great to hear you being so positive about it. I looked at your 5k splits and kind of deduced that you had reset the game plan relatively early on. Still a great achievement and sounds as though you have learned a lot from the experience. Thanks for the series and look forward to seeing what's next. Aside: I bagged my first sub 40 min 10k yesterday (52yrs)
Congrats!!! That’s fantastic. You must be very proud of that. That’s super fast at any age but especially at ours!
@global-runner - thanks - really pleased yes. Been knocking on the door for a while. Glad to finally get it!
That key adjustment after listening to your body and being honest with yourself was crucial. Not many runners have the mental ability to do this mid-race, well done! Sounds like that cold is still lingering, so unlucky but your training rescued the day since you knew exactly the effort to dial in. I’ve enjoyed watching this journey, thanks for sharing it. Definitely given me inspiration 👍👍
Thanks for those kind words. Really appreciate it! Yes it could definitely have been way worse yesterday! :)
Amazing time and achievement - well done. Was cheering you on virtually though the app.
I also love the way that you own all of your training. Can’t wait to see what’s next mate 💪
Thank you! I appreciate that!
It’s actually very inspirational to hear you say that you simply “didn’t feel it,” because I thought this only happens to those of us who don’t run as fast as you! We are only human and regardless of prep sometimes it just doesn’t happen on race day… Still, great run!
Thank you! And the thing about the marathon is you can’t fake it. She takes no prisoners! :)
"It," happens all the time, and probably just as often to us runners who are either faster/more experienced. A bad day just looks a bit different to an "outsider."
The most important part is to take the lessons that are given to you and learn, hopefully, to also take these in stride and not allow them to grate on you too much.
Good comments! I think I got some good learnings. And I’m already looking forward to the next adventure! :)
When you pointed out the hills on the map yesterday I was immediately like oh boy, this could be an issue 😮 You’re still legendary to me 🎉
Yeah it looked a lot flatter when I registered! :)
Well done 👍💪 you inspire me! I’m going for 2.38 at Berlin next Sunday aged 52. I ran 2.42 in London, training has gone fab, I’m feeling good, watch this space! I’d love to meet up at some point you and Tommy Hughes (2.30 at 60+) are my hero’s 💪💥
Go get it man! You’re right up there with us! Good luck in Berlin - that sounds super exciting! Let me know how you go??
Well done! Certainly, we've all been there when those first few miles indicated it was going to be a rough day out there. Way to dig deep to get it done. Looking forward to your next training video. Congratulations! Really enjoyed all other video footage from Canmore, a beautiful place on earth.
Thanks for the kind words. Really appreciate them.
It really is. I’m very lucky to get most of my miles done there!
You'va inspired me to pick up the pace and go for it a bit more in my training. Thank you for sharing your journey!
Love this! You can do it! I love the raw effort of running.
Epic build I really enjoyed the journey you made to this race. Can't wait for the next one. Great job.
Thank you so much! I’m excited to work out what’s next too.
Great run! You keep me pushing hard! Love your channel!
Thank you so much!
First off, congrats on a great race. Even though it wasn’t the race you wanted, so many lessons can be learned for the next one. The marathon is such a strange beast. Your series so far has inspired me to go faster over this distance and I will see if that happens in 2 weeks. Look forward to your next challenge.
Thank you!! I appreciate those kind words.
Yes what a strange beast! It’s what keeps us coming back, right? Good luck in your race in 2 weeks. Let me know how it goes!
We’ll stay tuned. Thanks for sharing and good job.
Thank you!!
You’re an inspiration, live for another day, Duncan!
All things need to come together on a day that you had planned. So impressed how constructive you take this. Yes, you got it in you. Admit: you want us to stay tuned in - all exited about your future endeavors. 💪🏼
Thank you! Such kind words!
Ha ha! That’s right! I deliberately messed it up to add to the drama! I like it. I’m going with that excuse…. :)
Strong effort on a rough day. Hope your recovery goes well and looking forward to your next race prep.
Thank you so much! And thanks for reaching out. Really appreciate it.
Incredibly well done. I'm so impressed by your attitude so soon after the race. It's inspirational and I hope to go into my next race, the Detroit Free Press Marathon, with a similar mindset. I can't wait to continue the journey with you to your next attempt.
Thank you!! Good luck in Detroit - sounds like a fun one - when’s that??
@@global-runner October 20th so I'm currently in peak week and I'm exhausted!
Good luck with it! I recognize that exhaustion all right!!
Great stuff. Have been following for a while. Like the honest debrief
Ah man. It’s okay to feel disappointed. Given what you put in. It was a tough course. The elevation wasn’t bad, I just didn’t like all the turns and decelerations and accelerations. That one 50m turn at 36k seems like just silly planning. I also did more than 42.2 and did all the tangets. At least the weather was nice. Finished 3rd in my age group. (40-49)
I look forward to watching you train for the next one. You have a good knack at this you tube thing.
I did get a chance to shake your hand at the start line right behind the elites. Safe flight home!
Yes that 50m turn had me seriously confused!!! :)
Great to have met you!!
Great effort. Thank you for sharing
Thanks for following along! Appreciate it!
That was an amazing run! ❤️
I’m so glad you are proud of your race. You should be. The fact that you ran a similar time to Carmel when you were feeling “off” bodes well for when you feel “on it” next time!!
Being able to switch things up and keep motivated during the marathon when you knew it wasn’t going the way you wanted takes strength and determination and those attributes and that knowledge you will carry over to the next race!
That 2.30 time you desire is right around the corner !!
I look forward to following along with what’s next!! ❤️
Thank you!!
You did a phenomenal job! It's great to see you get so much love here in the comments 😊
It really is. I’m so heartened by how amazing everyone has been. So supportive and relatable. Who says the internet is full of trolls? You guys are amazing. Thank you.
You got the thing done, man. Didn’t go how you wanted it to, but you got it done! I started watching around the hour fifty mark and I’ll admit I was worried and then thought oh there’s just something wrong with the tracker. Got a little emotional watching the tracker as I knew you were gutting it out the last 10k! Major kudos. Can’t wait for the recap… on to the next!!
Thanks so much! Around 1:50 was when I was starting to hurt a lot. I couldn’t have run any faster today but I could definitely have run a lot slower.
Onto the next one! Thanks so much for all your support along the way. It means a lot.
Hats off to you! 👏👏
Thank you!
Amazing ! What a journey! Can’t wait to see what’s next!
Me too!! :)
Thanks for getting your initial thoughts out so quickly... I checked the results yesterday and sometimes when things go "wrong", they really go "wrong"... but a 2:39 is so admirable! Its shows your early decision to pivot was key.... keen to hear more from you on the next one
Thank you! Appreciate those kind words. I’m sure you’ll knock Abingdon out the park but it’s always good to remember those last 6 miles are where it’s all at!
Glad you finished it with a nice time, despite you felt it in the beginning it's not your day. I know you haven't reached your main goal, but I love how positive you are and know you can do it next time.
I must learn from you!
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us!
Thank you for such a lovely comment! We’ll get there…. :)
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Well done mate! I know that you didn't get the result that you wanted, but your attitude is inspiring!
I won’t lose my Nike sponsorship fortunately. Ha ha!
Well done and really impressive on so many fronts. I love how you just listened to your body and adjusted accordingly. Some days it feels great and some days it doesn’t. I think we realize to put together an A race the stars really have to align. Your training shows you are capable of the sun 2:30 goal and just need a good fast course and to have your day. Also love the video with stats. So cool to see the data! Looking forward to what’s next, keep inspiring!!
Thank you so much! Appreciate these comments. I’m confident I can get there. It’ll just be a longer journey than I thought!
Those stats are so cool!
Woooo hoooo 🎉 truly fantastic!!!!
During races, I always go by effort.. !!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That’s definitely clever. I almost wish I had the guts to throw my watch away. Go back to the good old days when we didn’t have gps on our wrists!
Great running, even if it didn't go to plan exactly. You achieved a different kind of success and managed to hold it together on. a tough day. The fact that you have been a bit under the weather was probably a factor. Thanks for the videos and keep inspiring us old guys.
Thanks for the comment! You’re right. Holding it together was the success today. The real key to a marathon…
Still a great time , well done. Good luck for whatever you do next
Thank you!!
Well done! I can relate very much to this. You definitely made the right decision to gon feel. My last marathon I made the mistake you avoided and continued on pace with HR to high. I had a PB, but the suffering it took after hitting the wall at KM28 made be feel depressive so I did not really enjoy it the way I hoped for. If I had ran the race on feel I would had a PB as well and enjoyed it much more. And less time needed for recovery! You will be happy up and running soon!
It’s so true. How you feel about a marathon comes down to the second half. I ran almost the same time yesterday as I did in Carmel but Carmel was a negative split and I was so much more positive about it.
Give it another go and I’m sure you’ll have a much better experience. We rarely get it right first time around. (I know I didn’t!)
Congratulations! This is still very very competitive time to achieve despite all of the circumstances you faced prior the race! Time to celebrate and slowly get ready for next one you can do it! 💪
Thank you. I’m confident I can…
Great overlay and graphics on screen
Thank you! Someone commented and showed me how and I’m supremely grateful!
Great job. You have an inspiring account. Thank you. Would you mind sharing the setup to record the live POV video together with race metrics?
Thank you!!
It’s easy if you have the right gear. I have an insta360 go3s camera and a garmin forerunner 965 watch. In the insta360 app you just press “stats” and it does it all for you!
@@global-runner Gotcha - appreciate it
Kudos to sticking it out, even when you weren't feeling it. Also, just before the wall, you REALLY showed what you are made of after that 6:28. Good luck with your next attack on 2:30.
Yes it could easily have gone seriously off the rails at that point. The 250ml of coke I downed at that point and the end of the uphills definitely helped but I was very satisfied with how I closed it out!
Solid effort sir and still huge congratulations. They somewhat change the 1st 2mi route. Montreal marathon course is crazy alot of rollers.
Thank you! I loved the F1 circuit! That was great running. Quite a few more hills than I was expecting though!
@@global-runner yeah definitely f1 track is nice to run. yeah especially the last 10k. Those hills had me walking+cramps 😅 but still managed to clock a sub3. Have you not looked at marathon du p’tit train du Nord? It’s a really fast course.
Good for you!!! I haven’t. I’ll look that one up. I’m still trying to decide what’s next…
Great effort, amazing time regardless.
Thank you!!
As long as you gave it your all, that is all that matters.
Good job for finishing!!!!
I really did. And it could have been a lot worse…! :)
Superb effort Global Runner!! Really enjoyed following the series- really inspiring stuff. Well done on toughing it out. One thing I was wondering was whether you put your 10K/HM times in to race predictor calculaters etc.?
Thank you!
I didn’t. I knew my races weren’t fast enough. I had some good training but for some reason the races leading up to yesterday didn’t show the same level. I need to think about why that was.
Great series, enjoyed following the journey, better luck next time. Out of interest what was your video capturing set up during the run and what did you use for the stats overlay. Look forward to the next attempt:)
Thank you! Appreciate it!
I used the insta360 go3s mounted on my hat and a Garmin forerunner 965 watch. The insta360 app makes it so easy.
Great job Duncan, 26 miles is still a huge accomplishment. Dont discount the humidity today a lot more humid in Montreal than the air around Canmore. Stilll a solid performance, better days ahead!
Better days ahead! Can’t have the good ones without the bad ones!
Well done mate, sometimes the most satisfying runs aren’t your best ones, it’s the ones like this where you didn’t feel it but didn’t give up. That’s what takes character and persistence and you’ll definitely reap the rewards of that in your next race. Looking forward to the next chapter 👍💪
Thank you so much. I was definitely happy with how things felt after 30k. Especially given how terrible I felt at 5k!
Well done, we never can guess how we are gonna feel on the day, will happen next time 🤞
Thank you!!
Great attitude. I was worried when you felt 'off' in the lead up to race day. You'll do it next time!
Yes I was hoping I’d feel better by race say but you just have to race with what you have on the day itself!
Well done anyway. It’s great that you were able to know what to do.
I’ve only been running a few years and I done a 1/2 marathon that day and with about 5 k to go I just couldn’t push my self. I just didn’t feel it. It ended up being a pain fest. I was about 2 mins slower than the year before.
That’s ok. You gotta have the bad days to make the good days look good. You’ll bounce back at your next race I’m sure.
No worries, GR, this is just one race. You'll get back to 2:30! I noticed after 400 m you were still sub 3:20 pace! That might have been a bit of a shock too...
Maybe! I was just trying to settle in to a rhythm so I didn’t check my watch until after a few minutes. I don’t think it had a huge impact but it’s possible. That would be annoying if I ruined it in the first 400m! :)
Magnificent run. I am definitely you would have ran 2.30 but for the cold you got. You got it at the worst possible time. I’m speaking from experience as the same happened to me in Chicago in 2022.
You can’t control it unfortunately. It means I’ll get all the luck next time. That’s how it works, right? :)
Great job! If you’re looking for a fast Marathon soon then Valencia Marathon Trinidad Alfonso is due the 1 of december. It’s a fast course. It’s not optimal to get a cold the same week of the race.
I have already looked at that but it’s sold out…!
Strong work man
Thank you!
Well done mate. I just feel you need to get your half marathon pb down to around 71 minutes before a 2.30 is possible. Did you feel your training was faster this build up compared to previous build up?
Yes you’re right. I was definitely faster and fitter this build. So it’s a bit disappointing to end up with the same time. But I can definitely build on this. And you’re right, I need to get that next few percent.
I actually thought about you during my mountain run today. When you asked in a previous video if you’ll make the time. I was thinking that there’s no way that I would know because a lot of it depends on how you feel that particular day. Big goals like that coming down to a single day can be rough. While nine minutes is a lot to take off, if you “weren’t feeling it” that day that could definitely be worth nine minutes or more. The body is such a mystery. I wish you luck if you give it another go.
I will definitely be giving it another go!! :)
I hope you had a good run in the mountains. I need to find some to run in - too much pavement this year!
That's still ridiculously fast dude! I'm 33 and can't run anywhere close to that. No need to pressure yourself for no reason. Great work✌️
Good point man. Appreciate it. I’m happy. Next time I’ll nail it…. ;)
Duncan, 8th place....wow! May not have been the time you wanted but another 'learning experience'. Jeff
You’re right. I definitely learnt a lot. And it could have been a lot worse!
Way to get it done!
Thanks mate!
Great meeting you Duncan! Sorry I didn't stick around to chat more but I knew the countdown was coming and I wanted to get my warmup in. I think three things got you. 1) The course. Montreal isn't a PB course. Too many hills. 2) You were sick. 3) Most likely too many marathons in too short a time. I think proper rest and a proper longer buildup will get you under 2h30. For sure you can do this. That isn't the issue. The issue is picking the right course, giving yourself enough time to rest and build up correctly. Either way, I'll be watching you. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Montreal. À bientôt!
Great comments! Did you have a good run?
@@global-runner I PB'd but the family has been sick all week and I got it too.. I cracked with 6km to go.. Dizzy, felt horrible.. But, the goal race is the marathon in Valencia in December.
Good for you man. That’s a true sign of fitness when you can run well even when you’re sick.
I hear great things about Valencia!!
@@global-runner I think Valencia is your 2025 goal. You can ramp up your training as the weather starts cooling off. It's pancake flat. You can take the family for a little vay-kay after.. If you can't get in as an elite, then you'll have to wake up early and get in line, online to get a spot. There's no lottery, but it sells out.. Safe travels home to YYC.
Wow why did everyone sprint off haha
Great series I really enjoyed.
From the sounds of it the climbs didn't make it ideal for 229.well done managing the race well and not having a disaster
Thank you! There were some half marathon runners mixed in with us so those are some of the ones who went off much faster than I did!
Bravo for the fight
Thank you!! It could have been way worse! :)
You have to keep going because I love your videos, ha. I think you could do it at CIM.
Love this comment!! Thank you.
I’ve got a few options. I might see what everyone thinks I should do next, in an upcoming video…!
Still a top effort mate well done
Thank you! Appreciate it. I’m happy with how it ended up. I was very worried 5k in that it was going to turn nasty!! :)
Wow our running stories are so similar. I missed my goal this year of becoming the world's fastest over 50s runner, at the mile distance also my just over 10 minutes so i feel you pain.
Ha ha! This is brilliant!!! Love this.
All you can ask for after a huge race is being satisfied with your effort. The same level of effort can have wildly different outcomes on different days due to course profile, personal health (physical and mental), temperature, humidity, wind, course congestion, etc. etc. etc. It's why I LOVE running with power (Stryd). I know if I execute certain power targets, regardless of the time, I had a GREAT day. On race day, I watch my realtime power, my average power per segment (1st 5k, 5-32k, 32-36, 36-42.2) and I will monitor my HR to make sure I don't tip into threshold until after 32k. If you keep stacking these blocks your goal happen organically. Enjoy the process!
This is really interesting. I think I’d like to get more data on power to see if that is a helpful stat. I subs like it is.
It would be great if someone could tell us what our average heart rate needs to be those first 32k. That would be highly individual but would also have the same effect.
@@global-runner That's easy. Determine your LT2 and stay 5+BPM ( could be more or less depending on your own Max HR) below that till 32k or 36k, whatever feels comfortable to you. Everytime and anytime spent near or above that LT2 is burning matches and forcing your body to turn off most/all of your fat burning. While I run by power, if I see my heart rate hit 180BPM I immediately back off till it goes to 175 and stays there. Once I hit 32k....everything goes out the window, and I hold as much power as I know I safely can without blowing up, which is normally 10k power/effort till the finish. Power is a game changer and in a few years will probably be the primary metric people will be using.
Great comment! You do make it sound easy! (My heart rate is normally a bit lower than that -175 would be super high for me!)
A really good heart rate for the pace there. I ended up with 174 avg over 5k. Went over 180 for the last km
I tend to have quite a low heart rate usually though. Unless I just can’t dig as deep as some? 180 is great pushing! Good for you!
@global-runner i walk around quite delirious after... I can't even talk to people, haha.
Looks like a truly gritty performance..
Thank you! Appreciate that. :)
Still a fantastic time!! Some days its just not your day, and kudos for coming up with an alternative race plan and holding it together.
Do you think your recent illness was the issue?
From the first 2 miles of race footage it looked a lonely course, no one to work with or crowds to spur you on. Looking forward to your next endeavour 👊
Yes I didn’t feel great race day either. I looked back at a video I did whenever was warming up and I says exactly that. Forgot about that in all the excitement but I think I just wasn’t up to it yesterday.
It was pretty lonely but I’m used to that. Maybe a big city marathon next…
I've only ever run london as a big city marathon, I've run it 9 times and absolutely love it! Unless you can get in a fast starting pen you will be bogged down by traffic tho 👍
London is in my plans for next year…
A few takeaways:
1. Course is not a fast course.
2. Performance is intermittent and arbitrary for everyone. Some days the body just clicks.
3. No major changes to training required. Just more of the same and your fitness will improve with the passing of time.
I love those. Very positive. Thank you! And I think you’re right on all fronts.
I think you was still feeling the affects of the cold mid -week, you wasn’t yourself, your day will come! 👍💪💥
Thank you! I really appreciate the support!
Wow, those first 500 meters were super fast. Do you think it would have made any difference if you had eased into it? Not sure how easy that is though with everyone around you sprinting away.
No I don’t think they were the issue. It was downhill and flat and I quickly settled in to the rhythm of it. (Plus like you say, it’s tough not to just follow everyone else!)
8th overall and 1st in your age group on a bad day? Super inspirational. What was the worst part of the course for you? The long shadeless trek down St Laurent and back after splitting from the half marathon runners or the hills after 35 k?
I had some bad moments early on for no apparent reason. I didn’t feel great at 10k but then 15-25 the downhill helped me settle in a bit. 28-35 were brutal. Long straight uphill section. But after 35k I felt much better and was able to hang on. So I would say the worst part was around 10k. Which is way too early to be struggling!
Great effort. Seems a bit lonely for the start, but you got to run on the F1 course, so that's cool.
The F1 course was amazing. We should just have done laps of that! :)
Cant even comprehend running 19km/h... do you relay the watch data on the video or there is an device that does it automatically?
It does it automatically if you have an insta360 camera and a Garmin watch!! Crazy.
Did I see the F1 course? Not a bad race, volume wasn’t there to support marathon pace, illness can also so set you back, 2:39 is not bad at all given the circumstances.
You did! Such a great place to run!
I think you’re right. I lost a few crucial weeks and it came back to bite me I think.
"I run by Feel" that's it!🎉 That's okay 👍.
That’s all I could do yesterday. And that was definitely the right call
Try again! We will follow!!!
I’m definitely trying again…! :)
I had a feeling that it mightn't go your way when you were having that bad spell a few days before the marathon. But most people would take your result in a heartbeat. You must be in the top 10 age 50 in the world this year? I was trying to find the result for your age group world wide but couldn't find it. I know you placed 1st for this marathon.
Thank you! Yes the lead-up week was not what I wanted but you just gotta go with what you have on the day. I do need to look into why I seem to get sick in the taper though
It happens, but 2,39 is a great time as well. You will surely go under 2,30 pretty soon.
Let’s get it done! :)
I now also feel bad that I yelled just get it done at you at 26k.
Ha ha! I needed that! Any shout is a good shout!!
Good job saving the effort. Nothing worse than scraping.your way to 20 miles at goal pace, only to finish with the "survival shuffle" the last 10k.
Yes I agree. It was looking like that was going to be on the cards for a while there but I think I just got in too of it early enough. Such a fickle beast the marathon!
It's funny how a marathon can play tricks on you. But you also had some signs of illness days prior to the race, maybe that was an indicator for how you felt on race day. Maybe you pushed yourself just a little too hard in training and the body decided to go into recovery mode. Maybe a longer taper next time? It is hard to say. My first marathon (Copenhagen 2023) went terribly wrong. Already after 17K my quads gave on me and the rest of the race they just starting hurting more and more and it was a battle. But I didn't slow down and I didn't listen to my body so about 50 meters before the finish my body just stopped functioning and I had to stop and get help from samaritans. I still don't know what went wrong and why my quads gave up so early. But what I learned was to go by feel and let the race come to you, not the other way around. Only look at your watch for inspiration and to understand how you are doing don't use it to force a pace or anything else like that on race day. So I respect how you tackled the race on this particular day and swallowed your pride. I guess this is what is fascinating with marathon you never quite know how it is going to turn out. I think the half marathon is much more predictive. So that can be your next goal? But you should definitely also try this goal on the marathon again just give yourself time to recover mentally and physically.
Yikes. That’s a crazy thing to have happen to you. I’m glad you’re ok! I think that vindicates my decision today. I definitely could see a death march in the last 10k without some serious pace management.
Looking at the head cam footage, no crowd, so no atmosphere for the first few K at least, fairly up and down on the GP track, and a quite a few bends over a short period.
Anyway, you left everything out there, it just wasn’t your day. You’ll definitely get sub 2.30. Try Valencia, cool, flat and plenty of atmosphere!
A lot of people have suggested Valencia. It’s sold out for this year annoyingly.
I quite at the 32-33km :( took the subway to go get my bagage LOL my stomach didn't agree with me I don't know how you can drink Coke ... I had a hard time drinking the electrolyte beurk!
I’m so sorry to hear this. It’s tough when the day isn’t working out for you. You’d done the hardest part of the course though - so take comfort from that. The last 8-10k were a lot more manageable than that uphill grind between 25-35k.
I think I needed the coke! My body needed some assistance at that point and it was just what I had hoped it would be!
Thought about redemption yet? Another race soon maybe?
@@global-runner I think I just need to go back to the drawing board and do some weight training I've run 10(ish) marathon since 2012 and that's only my 2nd ''unfinished'' race but I took a break during the pandemic and since I've return to marathon training I feel like I lost some musculation and power. I think I need to take a step back this winter and start going to the gym :( again 🤮 hate gyms! LOL
That’s a great assessment. We definitely need a lot of body work! I think this is a great reminder for me too. Got to make sure I get back in the gym when I’m recovered. It’s so important.
I only do 5k, but I’m gonna act like I know what I’m talking about here …lols. Maybe a modified taper. You did get ill, and takes more than a few days to get to 100%. My distance friends often get ill at the end. Maybe instead of a last week taper, cut 10% or add a rest day per week the last three weeks. A couple days of extra rest over several weeks , is worth a million. These sudden tapers never made sense to me…as it’s like a shock to the body (even though it’s less work). A week is nothing to the body for anyone over 30. I believe that it plays on your immune system in negative ways. Just like build ups should be gradual, so should tapers.
This is a great comment. I do need to work out what’s going on with the taper and getting sick. I think you’re right that I need to back off earlier and not as aggressively.
At least you broke 3 hrs. I hate marathons!
Ha ha! And yet we keep coming back for more…. :)
u averaged 9.9 mph
10 sounds better…. ;)
@@global-runner that would be around 2:36
Crazy how such small pace changes can make such huge differences in time!
Really enjoyed the series, you‘ll get the 2:30 next time!
Thank you!! Appreciate those kind words!
2:39 is fast for 50 year old for sure but 13s per km slower is too much even for 5km let alone 42km
Thats the difference between tempo and threshold almost
Agreed. I wasn’t good enough yesterday. Theres no hiding from that fact. Just need to work out how to turn it around for the next one.
Crying about running 3’44/km
1st world runner problems
That was the start! It got messy after that! But you’re right. I’m extremely lucky and very grateful that I can do this.
1st world problems?…They run even faster in 3rd world countries pal lol
Well done Duncan there’s always positives to take from a run like that.