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you are so great in picking this way to explain it, never felt like learning philosophy. I wish I could vote for you to be the form of teaching in philosophy
Given that, under this system, evil is a privation of Good, the more you ascend the pyramid the less missing there is. In other words, the Good is fully complete and lacking nothing and as it flows over, the gaps are what we call evil. Thus, justice is complete ine the world of the forms but here we have holes in it (Injustice).
right, but is that something Plato makes clear or are we just talking about Plotinus now? Especially considering the early academy did have discussions on whether "the dyad" is something existent or not
Love the video and animation. I do believe we aren’t to take plato’s theory of forms too literally. Instead it may just serve to encourage us to think and subjectively conceptualise the ideal or perfect version of things and in doing so strive to live towards it
Good point and counter point. Love the animation, voice talent, and layout of both sides of the argument. I’ve been into esoterica for a while, but just now exploring Plato’s forms. I had an understanding of the allegory of the cave “story”, but this is the first I’ve heard of an explanation of it. It’s really funny, , because the bit at the end was literally EXACTLY what came across my mind at the beginning…. Is it a calico or witches black cat? Is it a lazy boy or a church pew? I thought of evil as well. Only difference (and I’m serious), was I was wondering how far off peoples ideas of a vagina could be from the perfect form. Like- some guys like the little Barbie pussy, and some guys like the roast beef, but how far off are they(how far off am I?!) from the perfect form?! I guess if you’re a real man it doesn’t matter as long as you can have it for a night, lol!
Plato's forms do seem silly to us now, but I've read in Bertrand Russell's book, "Problems of Philosophy," that the similar idea of "universals" is actually taken seriously in philosophy, and that these can be thought of as "existing" in some sense. Wonder if you have talked about this in another video. I hope to discuss these topics in my own channel too!
For the color of the cat thing, I think Plato meant the perfect idea of a cat. Not a literal cat that is the perfect form of a cat. When you think of a cat, you think of a four-legged creature with whiskers and a tail. The thought itself is the form, I believe. Same with the chair. Most of us think of a chair as something with four legs that we can sit on. That idea itself is the form. And for the form of evil, it would come from the "form of good" because good cannot exist without evil.
To determine whether Evil exists in the world of forms, you have to define Evil. The best definition of it would be a lack of Good. Evil would not exist in the world of forms because forms are meant to be the perfect versions of things, that is something that approximates Good or Goodness.
There is absolutely ZERO problems with Plato’s philosophy. There is nothing about his philosophy that is opinion, it is all rooted in logic. If you really wanna know just how factual and accurate his philosophy is, look up Scott Olson and Plato’s divided line. You will never look at Plato the same again.
Absolutely agree and the theory of forms is instrumental when using deduction. P.S anyone else that disagrees, brings into existence the form of stupidity. 😂😂😂
How can there be forms of modern inventions like airplanes and computers? How could there be a form when we don’t know what these inventions will become over time? A person’s form of a computer in the 1970s would differ completely from the form a person has today.
Evil is opposite to the form of the Good. In fact, it is acting out of the shadow rather than the form of the good . Plato very much felt forms to be a matter of geometry, and of Homer's epic works that preceded it, your understanding needs to be revised.
Plato's theory of forms could be a representation of much truth but may have been dumbed down in a way so that much meaning can be lost to many individuals? Maybe there is not a form of a perfect cat anywhere, but instead higher principles which generate many forms of cats and other living beings and their behavior. Some in form realms above the physical universe and some in the physical universe. And maybe there is also a type of testing what ideas work, which is seen in the evolution of the species. Also the form of a chair seems not to rank on the same level as the forms of living beings.
I wonder if the story of Satan and God is an allegorical answer to the question, "Does evil stem from the Form of Good". Maybe it implies that all things from good evolve. If that's the case, maybe dog poo evolved from the form of another thing. Maybe it was the form of Alec Baldwin.
suppose if body is the cave and soul is the prisoner in the cave when soul left body its goes to in a new world ,a world beyond space and time ,is it not proving life after death ?
To answer you last question a perfect form of evil or something as vile as dog poo can not exist because evil is the absence of good like darkness is the absence of light. So I'f there was only good there would be no bad.
Aristotle developed this further in that direction with his arguments of movement and essence, and Aquinas then wrapped it all together in a package with that conclusion.
This seems more like fantasy than philosophy, not much different from the concept of heaven in religions, how do universals logically lead to world of forms, philosophy should be about reason and logic not unreined imagination.
Quran says: “Allah:there is not God except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection)
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Does pareidolia have implications for Plato's world of forms and our soul's familiarity of recognizing true forms?
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This channel i swear, its the best channel for philosophical problems.. You guys explain it soooooooo much better then my college text book.. its insane.. i love you guys so much! thank you for making these videos.. and if u have a patreon or anything like this, i would like to make a donation.
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Plato's idea of perfect forms sounds to me like Jung's idea of an archetype, an eternal symbol of sorts.
Or may be you should relate Jung's Archetype with Kant's Categories...
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Modern perception:
Plato argued that the programmers who simulated our universe used an object-oriented approach.
this made me laugh more than it should have.
you are so great in picking this way to explain it, never felt like learning philosophy. I wish I could vote for you to be the form of teaching in philosophy
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Love the hinting of a supernatural quality or a mysterious other-worldliness being considered to explain a serious philosophy, Platos Forms.
Given that, under this system, evil is a privation of Good, the more you ascend the pyramid the less missing there is. In other words, the Good is fully complete and lacking nothing and as it flows over, the gaps are what we call evil. Thus, justice is complete ine the world of the forms but here we have holes in it (Injustice).
right, but is that something Plato makes clear or are we just talking about Plotinus now?
Especially considering the early academy did have discussions on whether "the dyad" is something existent or not
This is the best video in explaining Plato The Theory of Form, easy to understand.
Thank you :D
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Love the video and animation. I do believe we aren’t to take plato’s theory of forms too literally. Instead it may just serve to encourage us to think and subjectively conceptualise the ideal or perfect version of things and in doing so strive to live towards it
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Good point and counter point. Love the animation, voice talent, and layout of both sides of the argument. I’ve been into esoterica for a while, but just now exploring Plato’s forms. I had an understanding of the allegory of the cave “story”, but this is the first I’ve heard of an explanation of it. It’s really funny, , because the bit at the end was literally EXACTLY what came across my mind at the beginning…. Is it a calico or witches black cat? Is it a lazy boy or a church pew? I thought of evil as well. Only difference (and I’m serious), was I was wondering how far off peoples ideas of a vagina could be from the perfect form. Like- some guys like the little Barbie pussy, and some guys like the roast beef, but how far off are they(how far off am I?!) from the perfect form?! I guess if you’re a real man it doesn’t matter as long as you can have it for a night, lol!
Plato's forms do seem silly to us now, but I've read in Bertrand Russell's book, "Problems of Philosophy," that the similar idea of "universals" is actually taken seriously in philosophy, and that these can be thought of as "existing" in some sense. Wonder if you have talked about this in another video. I hope to discuss these topics in my own channel too!
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Brilliant. The best video clip I've ever seen on explaining Plato. Well done guys
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For the color of the cat thing, I think Plato meant the perfect idea of a cat. Not a literal cat that is the perfect form of a cat. When you think of a cat, you think of a four-legged creature with whiskers and a tail. The thought itself is the form, I believe. Same with the chair. Most of us think of a chair as something with four legs that we can sit on. That idea itself is the form.
And for the form of evil, it would come from the "form of good" because good cannot exist without evil.
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To determine whether Evil exists in the world of forms, you have to define Evil. The best definition of it would be a lack of Good. Evil would not exist in the world of forms because forms are meant to be the perfect versions of things, that is something that approximates Good or Goodness.
There is absolutely ZERO problems with Plato’s philosophy. There is nothing about his philosophy that is opinion, it is all rooted in logic. If you really wanna know just how factual and accurate his philosophy is, look up Scott Olson and Plato’s divided line. You will never look at Plato the same again.
Absolutely agree and the theory of forms is instrumental when using deduction.
P.S anyone else that disagrees, brings into existence the form of stupidity. 😂😂😂
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How can there be forms of modern inventions like airplanes and computers? How could there be a form when we don’t know what these inventions will become over time? A person’s form of a computer in the 1970s would differ completely from the form a person has today.
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Please make a video on Parmenides' Being.
but if it’s good where’s evil? balance wasn’t a thing to him?
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Evil is opposite to the form of the Good. In fact, it is acting out of the shadow rather than the form of the good . Plato very much felt forms to be a matter of geometry, and of Homer's epic works that preceded it, your understanding needs to be revised.
? where can I read the theory of forms Plato?
Very cool video. But how is "the soul also referred to as the mind"?
Plato's theory of forms could be a representation of much truth but may have been dumbed down in a way so that much meaning can be lost to many individuals?
Maybe there is not a form of a perfect cat anywhere, but instead higher principles which generate many forms of cats and other living beings and their behavior. Some in form realms above the physical universe and some in the physical universe. And maybe there is also a type of testing what ideas work, which is seen in the evolution of the species.
Also the form of a chair seems not to rank on the same level as the forms of living beings.
Thank you
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thanks. since this is fundemental. would you explain the problems in more detain.
I wonder if the story of Satan and God is an allegorical answer to the question, "Does evil stem from the Form of Good". Maybe it implies that all things from good evolve. If that's the case, maybe dog poo evolved from the form of another thing. Maybe it was the form of Alec Baldwin.
from 8:20-- it started to escalate quickly...
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the perfect chair
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Here is my theory on forms: The worst of them are created by people, who are sure to never need to fill them out themselves.
NOW I GET IT!
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suppose if body is the cave and soul is the prisoner in the cave when soul left body its goes to in a new world ,a world beyond space and time ,is it not proving life after death ?
Kant's and Schopenhauer's Noumenon = Plato's Forms?
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Why did Plato believe that theres was a world of "forms" beyond space of time? Did he infer this because of his allegory of the cave?
it was his solution to the problem of universals and particulars. The cave was his attempt to explain his system
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A perfect definition?
Is it just me or John looks like Ranbir Kapoor
To answer you last question a perfect form of evil or something as vile as dog poo can not exist because evil is the absence of good like darkness is the absence of light. So I'f there was only good there would be no bad.
Need better microphones, guys.
Noted, thank you.
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Plato's argument is just not rigorous enough from a logical perspective. Aristotle does a much better job at supporting his views.
Can you explain how Aristotle explains it? What is the theory called?
Nevermind, i found out
You still really don't get it.
It means we live in a projected computer matrix simulation and this isn't the real world.
THAT'S what he's saying.
2:12
Is the form of good another term for God?
Aristotle developed this further in that direction with his arguments of movement and essence, and Aquinas then wrapped it all together in a package with that conclusion.
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Its Brahman in hinduism
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This seems more like fantasy than philosophy, not much different from the concept of heaven in religions, how do universals logically lead to world of forms, philosophy should be about reason and logic not unreined imagination.
Quran says: “Allah:there is not God except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.”
Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection)
Plato was so wrong
I cant believe believe their is job for this nonsense.
Philosophy is bot nonsense...
Brilliant. The best video clip I've ever seen on explaining Plato. Well done guys
Thank you!