90% of people who buy a four-wheel-drive don’t actually need it. It’s a convenience. Growing up in Wisconsin my whole life and owning 2 Wheel Dr. trucks I’ve never had an issue. It’s knowing how to drive and knowing your limitations. Tires, weight and other factors do play a role. Most of the time if you’re in an area that you need four-wheel-drive you probably shouldn’t be there anyway. Yes it is a nice modern convenience but it is not necessary by any means. Keep in mind most farmers had 2 Wheel Dr. trucks up until the late 70s. They seemed to get by so did everybody else. Hell, even 2 Wheel Dr. tractors were 90% of what was produced until the late 70s early 80s. We still farmed and managed to get by
4WD IS also heavier and requires WWWWAAAYYYY more $$$$ when repairing/replacing worn parts...Unless you need it ALOT, 4WD is, as mentioned a cost--BEYOND ineffective everyday driving solution. IMHO
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I’m looking at a 2024 Ford F150 XL regular cab, 8 foot bed, and if you want the 4 x 4 option, it’s an extra $5k+ my can-Am outlander pro will have the four-wheel-drive lol
@@RJArrayCPA worst case scenario the truck gets a little bit stuck. You can use the Can-Am to tow you out. No sense in spending extra money on the 4 x 4. The only thing I will say is at the end of the day when you go to resell the truck it is going to be worth less being a 2 Wheel Dr., something to keep in mind
4wd all the time for me have had 2wd before and been stuck in my own driveway before. Also towing around to different campgrounds never know what situation you may wind up in. Great video!
Exactly, if you go and do different things with your truck, explore around a lot, road trips, drive in always change weather and circumstances… you don’t want to be out someplace and stuck
I think you covered this pretty well. Tired type and tread will play a role, known how to drive in sand, snow, rain, and ice, also can play a big role as well.
Small price to pay for so much more confidence especially towing and with a family. Don’t skimp and think about the cost of cutting corners. Your truck looks beautiful JB
Growing up around Chicago, I’ve had some front wheel drive cars that could handle slippery conditions well, but rear wheel drive is no good when it’s slippery. I spun out a mid 90s Tacoma on my way home one night. The roads looked clear so I left it in 2nd. I hit a patch of ice on 394 and suddenly I was every way but straight. Came to a rest facing the wrong way with a few thousand dollars worth of body damage from the guard cables. Did I mention it was my dad’s truck? The high torque combined with low weight over the drive axle in an unloaded truck can be scary in rain or snow. We throw some sand bags against the tailgate in winter to help. Unless you can find some magic front wheel drive truck, get that 4wd. One more note, use your 4wd occasionally. If that gearing never spins, it dries out. By driving in 4wd, it moves the lube around.
When it snows less than 6 inches in my neighborhood they don’t plow and my truck gets stuck immediate so I put it 4wd and off I go and when the highway gets it’s first snow and ice I had to keep it 4wd makes all the difference. I’m running stock tiers for now and works grate, no matter where you live I would always get 4wd you never know when you might need it.
My 2500 4x4 has saved me a couple of times with the trailer. I got stuck on Lone Rock Beach and was able to work my way out with 4wd. Wet grass has gotten me stuck a couple of times as well. Sometimes wet grass is worse than ice and snow. 4x4 is well worth the money in my opinion.
I 2nd the wet grass. I got a truck stuck at a dealership in wet grass and it took me 30 minutes to get it free. It was on a small incline that I slipped sideways on… it was so muddy, I ran it down the street and washed it👍🏾
New trucks you’re going to want to spend that extra 2-3k for 4wd; used however you can capitalize and get a used 2wd much cheaper then for a used 4x4. I’m looking at an 8.1L with a Z71 package for 8k and the same 2WD as low as 2.5k-4k for the specific year that I’m viewing……I’m opting for the 2WD in this case……
For the 3 grand, you’re much better off than being cheap. My suv now is 2wd but I’m in the southwest, so no snow and I don’t take it off the pavement. It’s just depends on your situation. I’m definitely going 4wd in my next truck though. I will need it then.
I agree with you about the extra peace of mind by having 4x4. If you aren't happy with your tires. Look at Falken Wildpeak AT3W. I have them on my truck, and so far I really like them.
It's not just the up front costs. Higher maintenence/repair costs for a rear-biased 4WD system along with higher fuel costs must be considered also. In our fleet of sixteen pickups used for residential landscaping/lawn service (FL), the operating costs per-mile of our 4WD's were more than twice as much as our RWD's. Also, the word you want is "affect" not "effect".
My ram 2500 with the big hemi will lose traction in my driveway without 4x4, for whatever reason 4x4 seems more necessary in a 2500 vs a 1500 but I may be wrong.
The weight has to be some of the issue especially if you’re stuck in deep snow. With all that weight up front, it’s hard for the rear to dig it out. Think about it, the front of a diesel RAM weighs about the total of a RAM 1500 👍🏾
💯 4 x 4 is a no brainer for me. I sold my Ridge Grappler‘s within three months of purchase. I got suckered by their good looks. And, I’ll just add, you got some cojones letting that mega dig in the sand like that LOL 🇺🇸💪
Yea they look super nice, low road noise, but they are not great for wet road traction or deep sand without 4WD. Full disclosure, that beach is impossible to get stuck in unless I dug the tires in lol 🇺🇸👍🏾
I don’t think I’d ever buy a 2WD only vehicle ever again. Choice of Tires can help with certain weather/road conditions or off-roading conditions. But at some point having a heavy duty rear end and no weight in back of a truck hinders it immensely. So many times you might pull up to a very slippery boat launch, that you may not visit often, but with that no tire is gonna grip when coming out. You can get by in winter with a RWD but you just increase your safety far more if you have a heavy front end to get traction.
I would love to see a towing comparison between a 4wd and a 2wd. In 1999 my cousin bought a new Ford superduty F350 dually 2wd 7.3 powerstroke. The next year his dad bought the same truck but a 4wd. They towed big 6 horse trailers all the time with their trucks. My cousins 2wd truck could pull away on hills by 5-10 mph from his dads 4wd. It just always felt so much stronger, guessing it had something to do with a little less weight and a lot less driveline drag.
Both had 4.10 gears. My cousins truck was a extended cab or they called them a super cab and his dads was a 4 door crew cab. So that too would change factors a little but it was still amazing how much better the 2wd towed over the 4wd. A few years ago the fast lane truck guys towed with a black ram 2500 6.7 Cummins that was 2wd and I remember it went up the Ike guanlet at full speed limit and did a perfect run. Would have loved to have seen a comparable truck with 4wd tow the same trailer so they could have compared the 2
What beach is that? Not many beaches on east coast let you drive on them. Luckily I’m not too far from Daytona beach that’s main that legally lets you drive and park/camp on beach. I have a 2WD ram 1500 as well as a 4x4 but to make my 2WD as capable offroad as possible I lifted it 4” in front and 2” in rear and run 33” BFG KM3s which are excellent tires in sand, snow and mud. What I need now is a winch as even a locker doesn’t always help me lol.
@@JB_WhoWork yeah this happened to me over ten years ago and thank god the area so remote no one probably even saw my truck so I came back to it the next day unscathed and recovered 🥰
People should also think about where they are going, winters in the PNW you probably need 4x4 if you aren’t in a city. You simply can’t drive up small hills covered in snow and some parts stay covered for months.
That’s what it was but I never felt it before until I was on the beach. I’ve taken my truck on some construction site with deep sand and it didn’t have the same outcome 👍🏾
There are different drive systems. 2WD can come with a locking rear differential or limited slip or nothing. Nothing means the wheel with the least traction will spin. Even limited slip might not even work. Even 4WD only two wheels will spin. One front and one rear - the wheels with the least traction will spin. Ford builds an FX4 truck. That truck is 4x4 plus you can lock the rear axle. So you can get 3 tires to spin. The Ram power wagon you can lock both the rear and front axles. The Ford Tremor is 4x4 with a locking rear axle plus a limited slip front axle. I believe gas powered trucks have better balance between weight on front axle and rear axle. On diesel trucks there is 5,000lbs on the front axle. That is a lot of weight to get into the sand.
FX4? You must be talking about me. 😛 With the lighter gas engine in front and the locking rear, JB, I bet I can run circles around you in the sand. Why couldn’t we have met by the beach! We’ll have to catch up with you again soon.
FX4? You must be talking about me. 😛 With the lighter gas engine in front and the locking rear, JB, I bet I can run circles around you in the sand. Why couldn’t we have met by the beach! We’ll have to catch up with you again soon.
4x2 always. Unless your towing or camping alot it's absurdly expensive for a front and rear diff fuild exchange with a transfer case replacement. Like 1k every 30k miles. Nooooo thank youu
Definitely 4wd. In my area it’s exceptionally rare to even see a 2WD truck. I don’t know that I ever have seen an HD on the lot 2WD. I know it’s a decent amount more expensive but if it gets you out of a jam one time it’s 100% worth it.
I tow my boat and I would never buy a 2wd truck simply for the reason of a slick ramp, much easier to go swimming with a 2wd truck vs 4wd, I’ve seen it happen enough and you can find plenty of videos of people loosing traction/not being able to get up the ramp or spinning and sliding right down the ramp. and not to mention up here in the northeast with the snow 4wd is a no brainer, 99%of trucks on local lots are 4wd.
Thanks Daniel, I second the boat ramp and should have mentioned it because I witnessed this. Luckily someone had some chains and pulled him up because about half the truck was in the water 👍🏾
Wish people stop belive this non sense about saving payload weight with 2wd. Few hundred pounds extra on 4x4 isn’t gonna break the truck . I know and seen people that hauled double the suggested payload ! Folks. Just get the 4x4 especially if u tow offroad. It takes the stress out of the situation and alos takes stress off your truck rear end. Think of it this way. 4 people pushing a stuck wagon is better and lighter on everyone. Then 2 people pushing
90% of people who buy a four-wheel-drive don’t actually need it. It’s a convenience. Growing up in Wisconsin my whole life and owning 2 Wheel Dr. trucks I’ve never had an issue. It’s knowing how to drive and knowing your limitations. Tires, weight and other factors do play a role. Most of the time if you’re in an area that you need four-wheel-drive you probably shouldn’t be there anyway. Yes it is a nice modern convenience but it is not necessary by any means. Keep in mind most farmers had 2 Wheel Dr. trucks up until the late 70s. They seemed to get by so did everybody else. Hell, even 2 Wheel Dr. tractors were 90% of what was produced until the late 70s early 80s. We still farmed and managed to get by
Exactly!!
4WD IS also heavier and requires WWWWAAAYYYY more $$$$ when repairing/replacing worn parts...Unless you need it ALOT, 4WD is, as mentioned a cost--BEYOND ineffective everyday driving solution. IMHO
@@patrickholcomb9628 agreed
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I’m looking at a 2024 Ford F150 XL regular cab, 8 foot bed, and if you want the 4 x 4 option, it’s an extra $5k+ my can-Am outlander pro will have the four-wheel-drive lol
@@RJArrayCPA worst case scenario the truck gets a little bit stuck. You can use the Can-Am to tow you out. No sense in spending extra money on the 4 x 4. The only thing I will say is at the end of the day when you go to resell the truck it is going to be worth less being a 2 Wheel Dr., something to keep in mind
4wd all the time for me have had 2wd before and been stuck in my own driveway before. Also towing around to different campgrounds never know what situation you may wind up in. Great video!
Great points👍🏾
Exactly, if you go and do different things with your truck, explore around a lot, road trips, drive in always change weather and circumstances… you don’t want to be out someplace and stuck
I think you covered this pretty well. Tired type and tread will play a role, known how to drive in sand, snow, rain, and ice, also can play a big role as well.
Thanks 👍🏾
Small price to pay for so much more confidence especially towing and with a family. Don’t skimp and think about the cost of cutting corners. Your truck looks beautiful JB
Thanks for sharing bro 👍🏾
Growing up around Chicago, I’ve had some front wheel drive cars that could handle slippery conditions well, but rear wheel drive is no good when it’s slippery. I spun out a mid 90s Tacoma on my way home one night. The roads looked clear so I left it in 2nd. I hit a patch of ice on 394 and suddenly I was every way but straight. Came to a rest facing the wrong way with a few thousand dollars worth of body damage from the guard cables.
Did I mention it was my dad’s truck?
The high torque combined with low weight over the drive axle in an unloaded truck can be scary in rain or snow. We throw some sand bags against the tailgate in winter to help.
Unless you can find some magic front wheel drive truck, get that 4wd.
One more note, use your 4wd occasionally. If that gearing never spins, it dries out. By driving in 4wd, it moves the lube around.
When it snows less than 6 inches in my neighborhood they don’t plow and my truck gets stuck immediate so I put it 4wd and off I go and when the highway gets it’s first snow and ice I had to keep it 4wd makes all the difference. I’m running stock tiers for now and works grate, no matter where you live I would always get 4wd you never know when you might need it.
Yup, I always run in 2wd just to see how far I go and when the rear starts fish tailing, I will slow down and turn 4wd on 👍🏾
My 2500 4x4 has saved me a couple of times with the trailer. I got stuck on Lone Rock Beach and was able to work my way out with 4wd. Wet grass has gotten me stuck a couple of times as well. Sometimes wet grass is worse than ice and snow. 4x4 is well worth the money in my opinion.
I 2nd the wet grass. I got a truck stuck at a dealership in wet grass and it took me 30 minutes to get it free. It was on a small incline that I slipped sideways on… it was so muddy, I ran it down the street and washed it👍🏾
Wet grass is literally like grease I got stuck with a trd pro tundra it was embarrassing 😂
Wet grass is the worse.
I pulled multiple people out at Lone Rock last summer, fun times. I'll never be without 4wd
@@oldnumber6 I will never be without a locking rear diff.
Luv my Ram 2500 4/4 HEMI takes me an what I'm towing anywhere I need to go. I have Kenda Kleaver RT 10 ply tires they are Great on Road an Off-Road "
Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I don't drive in the mud or snow. I'm good with rear wheel drive
New trucks you’re going to want to spend that extra 2-3k for 4wd; used however you can capitalize and get a used 2wd much cheaper then for a used 4x4. I’m looking at an 8.1L with a Z71 package for 8k and the same 2WD as low as 2.5k-4k for the specific year that I’m viewing……I’m opting for the 2WD in this case……
For the 3 grand, you’re much better off than being cheap. My suv now is 2wd but I’m in the southwest, so no snow and I don’t take it off the pavement. It’s just depends on your situation. I’m definitely going 4wd in my next truck though. I will need it then.
Yup, $3k is not worth the anxiety you get when you see the speedometer at 40 MPH but you’re not moving….
Who drives on the beach anyway?
I agree with you about the extra peace of mind by having 4x4. If you aren't happy with your tires. Look at Falken Wildpeak AT3W. I have them on my truck, and so far I really like them.
I’ve actually been eyeing those online, I didn’t see that they came in 35” though 👍🏾
It's not just the up front costs. Higher maintenence/repair costs for a rear-biased 4WD system along with higher fuel costs must be considered also. In our fleet of sixteen pickups used for residential landscaping/lawn service (FL), the operating costs per-mile of our 4WD's were more than twice as much as our RWD's. Also, the word you want is "affect" not "effect".
A good rule of thumb is 2 wheel in 4 wheel out.
4 wheel in tow truck out.
Good stuff 👍🏾👍🏾
My ram 2500 with the big hemi will lose traction in my driveway without 4x4, for whatever reason 4x4 seems more necessary in a 2500 vs a 1500 but I may be wrong.
The weight has to be some of the issue especially if you’re stuck in deep snow. With all that weight up front, it’s hard for the rear to dig it out. Think about it, the front of a diesel RAM weighs about the total of a RAM 1500 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork yeah she thick, thick like molasses, but I like her
Lol
I always learn something in your videos JB. The big thing I learned today is you are living large down on the beach. Just like the rich and famous. 😂
🤣🤣🤣 I wish that were true, I got some footage while we were on vacation 🤑
I go to the beach all the time. First thing I do is take off the traction control. Run in two wheel drive till I need 4 wheel drive.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
💯 4 x 4 is a no brainer for me. I sold my Ridge Grappler‘s within three months of purchase. I got suckered by their good looks. And, I’ll just add, you got some cojones letting that mega dig in the sand like that LOL 🇺🇸💪
Yea they look super nice, low road noise, but they are not great for wet road traction or deep sand without 4WD. Full disclosure, that beach is impossible to get stuck in unless I dug the tires in lol 🇺🇸👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork lol I was thinking like ok ok now throw it in 4x4
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so he's saying you have extra 250kg extra towing capacity with the 2wd over the 4wd? 🤔
I don’t think I’d ever buy a 2WD only vehicle ever again. Choice of Tires can help with certain weather/road conditions or off-roading conditions. But at some point having a heavy duty rear end and no weight in back of a truck hinders it immensely. So many times you might pull up to a very slippery boat launch, that you may not visit often, but with that no tire is gonna grip when coming out. You can get by in winter with a RWD but you just increase your safety far more if you have a heavy front end to get traction.
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Who work! 3500 Silverado sport should be in at the end of the month, been looking at Rockwood campers but the RV prices for new are terrible.
Nice!!! Can’t wait to see it on your channel 💪🏾💪🏾
2 wheel can tow more right?
I'm not buying shit until these ridiculous prices come down.
I would love to see a towing comparison between a 4wd and a 2wd. In 1999 my cousin bought a new Ford superduty F350 dually 2wd 7.3 powerstroke. The next year his dad bought the same truck but a 4wd. They towed big 6 horse trailers all the time with their trucks. My cousins 2wd truck could pull away on hills by 5-10 mph from his dads 4wd. It just always felt so much stronger, guessing it had something to do with a little less weight and a lot less driveline drag.
That’s interesting 🤔, I wonder what the gearing was and if that played a role too. 300#’s is a lot of weight when you consider drag racing 👍🏾
Both had 4.10 gears. My cousins truck was a extended cab or they called them a super cab and his dads was a 4 door crew cab. So that too would change factors a little but it was still amazing how much better the 2wd towed over the 4wd. A few years ago the fast lane truck guys towed with a black ram 2500 6.7 Cummins that was 2wd and I remember it went up the Ike guanlet at full speed limit and did a perfect run. Would have loved to have seen a comparable truck with 4wd tow the same trailer so they could have compared the 2
What beach is that? Not many beaches on east coast let you drive on them. Luckily I’m not too far from Daytona beach that’s main that legally lets you drive and park/camp on beach. I have a 2WD ram 1500 as well as a 4x4 but to make my 2WD as capable offroad as possible I lifted it 4” in front and 2” in rear and run 33” BFG KM3s which are excellent tires in sand, snow and mud. What I need now is a winch as even a locker doesn’t always help me lol.
This was in Galveston, TX. I got stuck on a small hill one time doing a review, took me 30 minutes to get out 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork try abandoning your truck to come back the next day with a recovery rig. Horrible feeling. It’s like leaving your kid stranded lol.
My heart dropped just reading this lol
@@JB_WhoWork yeah this happened to me over ten years ago and thank god the area so remote no one probably even saw my truck so I came back to it the next day unscathed and recovered 🥰
People should also think about where they are going, winters in the PNW you probably need 4x4 if you aren’t in a city. You simply can’t drive up small hills covered in snow and some parts stay covered for months.
Really great point, you would have to keep a set of tire chains but that’s a pain if you get stuck up multiply hills 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork and the weight of the chains eats into my 3/4 ton carrying capacity...😄
🤣🤣🤣
Does Ram have locking Dif options? I know Ford HD you can get an electronic locker with 2wd which would be a good compromise.
Good point, only lock I know of is on the Power Wagon 👍🏾
It is an option that you can get . $695 if I am correct and available on any model
3k for 4wd over 2wd? I thought itd be like 10.
It will be better if they sell only 4WD since obviously 4WD is the best. I don't want to think or decide much about the powertrain.
The vibration seems like axle hop
That’s what it was but I never felt it before until I was on the beach. I’ve taken my truck on some construction site with deep sand and it didn’t have the same outcome 👍🏾
Very nice truck!
There are different drive systems. 2WD can come with a locking rear differential or limited slip or nothing. Nothing means the wheel with the least traction will spin. Even limited slip might not even work. Even 4WD only two wheels will spin. One front and one rear - the wheels with the least traction will spin. Ford builds an FX4 truck. That truck is 4x4 plus you can lock the rear axle. So you can get 3 tires to spin. The Ram power wagon you can lock both the rear and front axles. The Ford Tremor is 4x4 with a locking rear axle plus a limited slip front axle.
I believe gas powered trucks have better balance between weight on front axle and rear axle. On diesel trucks there is 5,000lbs on the front axle. That is a lot of weight to get into the sand.
Great info 👍🏾👍🏾
FX4? You must be talking about me. 😛
With the lighter gas engine in front and the locking rear, JB, I bet I can run circles around you in the sand. Why couldn’t we have met by the beach! We’ll have to catch up with you again soon.
FX4? You must be talking about me. 😛
With the lighter gas engine in front and the locking rear, JB, I bet I can run circles around you in the sand. Why couldn’t we have met by the beach! We’ll have to catch up with you again soon.
@@SmoreRV let’s make it interesting, let’s hook the trailers up to the trucks 😜
4x2 always. Unless your towing or camping alot it's absurdly expensive for a front and rear diff fuild exchange with a transfer case replacement. Like 1k every 30k miles. Nooooo thank youu
Less air in tires for sand
For me 4x4 all the way
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Definitely 4wd. In my area it’s exceptionally rare to even see a 2WD truck. I don’t know that I ever have seen an HD on the lot 2WD.
I know it’s a decent amount more expensive but if it gets you out of a jam one time it’s 100% worth it.
Never seen them in MD either, it’s cheap peace of mind 👍🏾
9.16 tire hop? I wouldn’t be using traction control somethings going to break
Yea I didn’t like that feeling at all.
Where was that beach?
It was on lunch break but it came back as soon as I turned off the camera 😉
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What cane back… the beach???
I thought you were someone else, my bad lmao!!!
The beach was in Galveston TX 👍🏾
4x4 is the answer. They shouldn’t even make 2wd trucks.
Lol, I agree
What pressure did you air down to?
I didn’t air down
whats up with the dash flicker at 3:36??
Just the camera
Those aren’t waves, those are ripples lol, coming from San Diego we look at those as ripples
Why does it shake so violently when trying to get out? That's horrendous
Stiff suspension/frame with a 8000#+ truck is what I think 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork the ford 6.7 powerstokes don't do that 😉
I tow my boat and I would never buy a 2wd truck simply for the reason of a slick ramp, much easier to go swimming with a 2wd truck vs 4wd, I’ve seen it happen enough and you can find plenty of videos of people loosing traction/not being able to get up the ramp or spinning and sliding right down the ramp. and not to mention up here in the northeast with the snow 4wd is a no brainer, 99%of trucks on local lots are 4wd.
Thanks Daniel, I second the boat ramp and should have mentioned it because I witnessed this. Luckily someone had some chains and pulled him up because about half the truck was in the water 👍🏾
Seeing it on RUclips doesn't count. You'll only slide backwards If you don't use the brakes.
I was gonna say if you were sliding into the water isnt last resort ya know., the brakes lol
Wish people stop belive this non sense about saving payload weight with 2wd. Few hundred pounds extra on 4x4 isn’t gonna break the truck . I know and seen people that hauled double the suggested payload !
Folks. Just get the 4x4 especially if u tow offroad. It takes the stress out of the situation and alos takes stress off your truck rear end. Think of it this way. 4 people pushing a stuck wagon is better and lighter on everyone. Then 2 people pushing
What you gain with 2wd doesn't compare to what you gain with 4x4..unless you NEVER see any type of offroad
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You got sleeks
Trucks without 4x4 make no sense. Also driving sand you need to lower the tire pressure
Yup, I was only there for a few minutes and this beach is kind of hard to get stuck at 👍🏾
I’d rather have 4wd at boat ramps when launching
That rattling cant be right. I would be very annoyed when that happens.
That it was, if I took it easy, it didn’t shake but it could be the sand because I’ve never felt it so that ever 👍🏾
I’m not going to watch this but don’t ever buy a two wheel drive truck
*2wd trucks need to be banned*
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#mandate4x4trucks
Ive never heard of a 2wd truck death wobbling though
The climate where I live is the determining factor for 4x4 vs 2wd. These trucks get stuck on flat in snow. Always 4x4 for me , tow,haul and cruising.
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