Logseq vs Obsidian - Which to Choose?

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @tansybradshaw
    @tansybradshaw 11 месяцев назад +32

    I used obsidian for ages and it worked well.... but never really felt seamless. I am a writer by occupation so I need short and long form writing. I tried moving my longform to Obsidian but the cost was a big factor. Finally settled my zettelkasten in Logseq after realising that I am a outliner note-taker by trade.
    Also - as I am neurodivergent while some plugins are nice, having unlimited customisation made me more focused on customising than note taking. It became overwhelming.
    I am also someone that uses emojis and colours. Logseq has an easier way to also handle metadata, querying and ways of displaying files. By that I mean even showing the folders at the side was annoying to scroll instead of just a basic search - without showing you all the files.
    I know features are still in Beta but as someone who primarily takes their laptop with them when they are 'doing writing' I know it serves my purpose.
    I outline in Logseq but when I am doing my actual article writing - I use Scrivener which is much easier to manage, store and add metadata that is there but not in your face and has so many buttons and whistles that it is distracting.

    • @HaydarAlThwaini
      @HaydarAlThwaini 9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks so much for sharing your opinion, even thoug im not a heavy user of obsidian but as a neurodivergent myself it became so overwhelming with so many distractions. i will try logseq very soon.

    • @davijorgearte
      @davijorgearte 6 месяцев назад

      I've choose Logseq after test ALL others ! And it has full markdown resources (11/05/2024). I use it with Syncthing and I have a full cross-platform , project management, Personal Knowledge Database, journal, notes and a lot of other things that I can shape it to do. For tasks and daily organization I use Twos...

  • @phillix1
    @phillix1 11 месяцев назад +29

    I tried to use Obsidian, adding outliner and journaling plugins but it didn work because Obsidian doesn't work well with block units.
    In my Logseq's journal, I start a paragraph(a.k.a. block) for each client/team meeting during the day and write the name of the client/meeting on it (it automatically recognize the name and links it to my client's page), then I write indented bullets bellow for each comment or task.
    Latter on, I can go to the backlinks section in each client's page where I can see not only the journal's paragraphs lines with the links, but also all the child indented comments and tasks, and I can actually edit them there (This is called transclusion, i think). So i have an automated report by client, project, team or whatever just by looking at the backlinks.
    Obsidian doesn't inherit the paragraphs indented rows and you cannot edite them right there in the backlinks. That's a deal breaker for me.
    I wish Logseq had the beautiful UI of Obsidian or Roam or Capacities.

    • @donaldmickunas8552
      @donaldmickunas8552 3 месяца назад

      Logseq automatically recognizing a page name in a journal must be from an add-on.

    • @phillix1
      @phillix1 3 месяца назад

      @@donaldmickunas8552 Yes, its a plugin called "Autolinker" or something like that. i think Obsidian can do that as well, but you can't see/edit all the paragraph information when you review the linked page.

  • @torspedia
    @torspedia 9 месяцев назад +35

    I actually use both. Logseq is my go-to app for my fleeting notes, planning and when I'm in research mode. When I'm ready to put those notes into my own words, that's when I switch to Obsidian... I also use Obsidian for my long-form writing.

    • @maryaiky
      @maryaiky 8 месяцев назад +1

      Can you explain your process further please. I want it easy to take notes (logseq) but I am also doing long form writing (obsidian). But i cant pick which app is best for me. I am a writer.

    • @donaldmickunas8552
      @donaldmickunas8552 3 месяца назад

      ​@@maryaiky Perhaps neither is best overall. You might consider which tool is best for which functions and go from there.

  • @Thorned_Rose
    @Thorned_Rose 10 месяцев назад +35

    I was almost converted to Logseq by the fact that it can do queries and annotate PDFs out of the box. And then I discovered that it doesn't adhere to Markdown standards as much as Obsidian does. That alone was unfortunately a deal breaker for me. Part of the whole point of using a markdown based system was that it's future proof and should Obsidian ever stop being developed, I can move my data to a different app. Even with Logseq having the advantage of being opensource, if the devs stop working on it and no one else picks it up, having non-standard markdown beneath it all is going to screw users over.

    • @tkenben
      @tkenben 5 месяцев назад

      I didn't find this to be a problem as long as you are aware of the *special* markdown.

    • @donaldmickunas8552
      @donaldmickunas8552 3 месяца назад +1

      Why a problem? An Awk program could take care of the transformation rather quickly. If you're so concerned, either move to Obsidian, being careful to switch it to full markdown as it to has the option to mix in wiki notation as well or write an Awk routine to do the conversion if needed.

  • @new-lviv
    @new-lviv 11 месяцев назад +82

    Logseq is completely open source. It means that if maintenance is dropped by the current people, other may fork it and my data will still be usable. For personal usage, this is what I need.

    • @AnarchySane
      @AnarchySane 11 месяцев назад +7

      This is provided that someone decides to stop developing Obsidian. Opensource development does not need to be overestimated, if the main developers abandon the project, then no opensource will help to come to life.

    • @m0rav
      @m0rav 11 месяцев назад +30

      All notes in Obsidian are in pure Markdown format, so they will be usable in any context

    • @AnarchySane
      @AnarchySane 8 месяцев назад +9

      @@m0ravObsidian markdown not pure markdown. There are a lot of things in obsidian that don't fit into the markdown standard. Pure makdown is foam, zettlr or dendron.

    • @franchocou
      @franchocou 7 месяцев назад +1

      Thx ps clarification ​@@AnarchySane

    • @jasonkidd5489
      @jasonkidd5489 4 месяца назад +1

      @@AnarchySane If you don't use weird plugins that alter the formatting, Obsidian is just a markdown editor

  • @themichaelferrari
    @themichaelferrari 11 месяцев назад +9

    Thanks for the recap Alan!
    As an OG of both apps, I agree.
    LogSeq's strongest feature is its daily journal. And it fits to write and let the app do the organizing for you.
    And for those who like to organize everything manually using tags and folders, Obsidian is best for you.
    What tips the scale for me is friction.
    There's too much friction to write in Obsidian's daily journal. And for me no matter how awesome Obsidian is (I, do, think it's awesome), I just don't write on it.
    And when I don't write, I can't organize anything on it 🤷🏻‍♂
    I'd love to give Obsidian a second chance. I think it has the potential to be an awesome app for personal project managing app, if it has less friction.
    I'd like to know for Obsidian power-users (especially project managers) out there. How do you write on its daily journal everyday?

    • @ItsAlanYoung
      @ItsAlanYoung  11 месяцев назад

      I’m completely with you on this!

  • @Kristina-ok3th
    @Kristina-ok3th 11 месяцев назад +7

    Really glad that this video was in my recs. Please keep making videos, you're truly good at this!
    I've just recently switched from notion to obsidian and I'm still getting used to it. I read about logseq but never tried it, maybe I should

    • @bintangnaufal
      @bintangnaufal 4 месяца назад

      which one would you recommend other people now after 6 months?

    • @Kristina-ok3th
      @Kristina-ok3th 3 месяца назад

      @@bintangnaufal Obsidian. To be honest I didn’t give logseq a single chance because as soon as I set up obsidian, it completely satisfied me. Thanks for asking!

    • @bintangnaufal
      @bintangnaufal 3 месяца назад

      @@Kristina-ok3th thank you! do you use any syncing platform or plugin for it or do you subscribe to the official sync?

    • @Kristina-ok3th
      @Kristina-ok3th 3 месяца назад

      @@bintangnaufal remotely save plugin with using webdav and it works just fine for me :)

  • @kirso
    @kirso 11 месяцев назад +8

    The most underrated feature is that you don't need to think where to put notes given the underlying calendar date, blocks and backlinking there is a record and that's really powerful. Don't make me think philosophy just works.

  • @oakld
    @oakld 6 месяцев назад +1

    I had Obsidian for some time and struggled to even use it. It was just another note taking app with benefit of markdown. When I learned about LogSeq, I took off like a rocket from day one and it became among the most used and useful application I've ever used. With little bit of exaggeration I wonder, how could I had lived and work without it before 😊

  • @CJ-je4hd
    @CJ-je4hd 9 месяцев назад +3

    Absolutely fantastic video! Really helped me decided which I wanted to use, thank you!

    • @frankg.39
      @frankg.39 8 месяцев назад +1

      And which one is that?

  • @FOSSGuru
    @FOSSGuru 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nailed it! 🔨I liked your viewpoints and takeaways. I am thinking about using a hybrid of the two as well myself. LogSeq seems like a good replacement for burning one's eyeballs out in MS WordPad. 😂 And if it can run from an Obsidian folder (or vice versa who knows) it's a win-win for shifting personal data away from proprietary cloud notes. 💪

  • @AndrewWooldridge
    @AndrewWooldridge 5 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this thoughtful video. I have been an Obsidian user for a while, but I dislike that it is closed source. Learning how Logseq is focused on outlining and is open source are two very compelling features for me.

  • @JonBrookes
    @JonBrookes 11 месяцев назад +4

    I like your frank candid and balance summary of these 2 popular solutions
    logseq is open source, there for for me is the win but like you say, some folks might just prefer obsidian but it is not free for commercial use, so that is a deal breaker for me as I use it for integration into other systems, like CMS for web site and app creation
    the block edit with 'bullets' for everything took me by surprise when using logseq however I found you can highlight and export blocks as long prose very easily then it all fell into place
    using blocks like in this 'outliner' pattern starts to make prose like objects you can move about, which finally made it click for me and then use the plugin 'bullet threading' makes this a joy
    the lack of plugins for me is actually a win over obsidian as I keep these to a bare minimum as privacy and security is key for me

  • @CaptZenPetabyte
    @CaptZenPetabyte 8 месяцев назад +2

    If pages and long-form content was easier in logseq, I would love logseq more for my uni work ... the graph really doesnt work for me making notes for uni and trying to organise pages is hard because there are no folders or places to put them (and putting them in 'favourites' is not what thats for) and yeah, theres the 'content' fold out menu but it gets in the way ... Id go to obsidian because it can do the bullet points the same way but I prefer the way logseq has all its PDF stuff seamlessly built in. Its getting to the point I may just return to doing text files or set up a personall wiki on my server?!?!

  • @TomCarlson
    @TomCarlson 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for this. Interestingly, it convinced me that I’m best off sticking with Obsidian, which underscores your balanced comparison.

  • @zfadli
    @zfadli 11 месяцев назад +21

    I tried Obsidian but I always come back to Logseq. I gravitate towards the time-stamping style of Logseq

    • @Drugvigil
      @Drugvigil 7 месяцев назад

      In UI stand point logseq is fantastic but I am using obsidian now fulltime. I don't know how may I manage bak folder when I use both sync together

  • @pinklemonade6597
    @pinklemonade6597 4 месяца назад +4

    I’ve never heard of either of these things im not sure why I clicked on the video but you have such a calming voice I just ended up staying the whole way through!😭😭

  • @Santiago-lu9hc
    @Santiago-lu9hc 3 месяца назад

    It would be great a video of how you manage your tasks, what is your sistem, do you use an specific todo app?

  • @CarlosBallena
    @CarlosBallena 5 месяцев назад

    I've been considering Obsidian due to multiple issues ive had with data not syncing well via icloud with mobile devices. But overall I prefer Logseq's take on this.

  • @WillOstrick
    @WillOstrick 11 месяцев назад +3

    Love the work you have done on Logseq, best content on this topic on RUclips. It's a pleasure sitting back and letting you pass your information on. Well done :)
    As a suggestion, I would really like to see a further in-depth video with examples specifically on how you go about categorising your pages and tags. For instance a way to keep things easily referencable after taking 6 months worth of notes from different meetings and different projects. Just a thought ! Otherwise keep up the great work

  • @joshuamarcano350
    @joshuamarcano350 7 месяцев назад +5

    You're never going to find the perfect tool. You're going to use what's hot today and switch to what's hotter tomorrow. My biggest problem with content praising these tools is that the channels are 100% dedicated to them.

  • @toolsontech
    @toolsontech 11 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent video that takes the time to really highlight the strengths and weaknesses of both. While I'm obviously skewed to Logseq that doesn't mean I would highly recommend Obsidian to a lot of people. For me it's the open source license and outliner feature that are deal breakers. This doesn't mean I don't look with envy to the speed and robustness of Obsidian.
    I think a large set of questions stem from the fact that they are so close that people can't really make a good on the spot decision. But as long as you don't use linking to blocks too much it's pretty easy to switch between the two.

  • @monstandalone7339
    @monstandalone7339 4 месяца назад

    Your channel vs Other program reviewing channels - I choose yours 99% of the time.

  • @SWINDISA
    @SWINDISA 10 месяцев назад

    I'd love it if you could make a video comparing obsedian vs capacities? This was great

  • @thorberg2192
    @thorberg2192 6 месяцев назад

    I use Obsidian to write and Logseq to think; Notion to archive. I love them all.
    A superior thing of Obsidian for me is the Vim Mode - even though I am not a developer. When I discovered Vim it was the most natural way of typing. Thats why I use Obsidian for writing text.

    • @alboz1327
      @alboz1327 Месяц назад +1

      Interesting! I am a Notion poweruser, but when it comes to PKMS, Notion somewhat fails to me... I struggle with connecting and having a full picture on multiple levels of my notes! I feel I could do with your setup: would you mind sharing a bit more about your workflow?
      Thank you :)

  • @jonchines
    @jonchines 11 месяцев назад +4

    LogSeq for meeting and daily notes - pen and paper “replacement”. Obsidian for long form. For anyone else that cares, vi-mode/bindings in Obsidian are far better.
    Edit: I guess I could’ve actually watched the video before posting as we’ve redundantly said the same thing…

  • @nakoskyranos4080
    @nakoskyranos4080 5 месяцев назад

    I feel like if they can both do what the other does without much configuration at all really, then it just comes down to which is better, right?
    And to me it is clear that the one with more polish, features, pluggins and performance is Obsidian.
    The only, but very valid, reason I see to use Logseq is if you are a open source absolutist, which hey, fair.

  • @laughingvampire7555
    @laughingvampire7555 6 месяцев назад +1

    I prefer that logseq is open source
    I prefer obsidian's style, If I could have obsidian open source, I would choose obsidian over logseq.
    I'm put off by logseq's default theme of solarized, I just don't like it.

  • @balonm
    @balonm 9 месяцев назад +2

    I have both on my computer to test i choose but logseq seems do laggy and sometimes does not responding for couple od seconds, like frozen. Anybody have this problem?

  • @robindabank6711
    @robindabank6711 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for making this

  • @AndysTV
    @AndysTV 2 месяца назад

    Nice video! What camera do you use?

  • @heileno
    @heileno 2 месяца назад

    Excellent video. Thanks

  • @majorgear1021
    @majorgear1021 6 месяцев назад +1

    I mostly write wiki notes and configuration notes to remember how to do things and how I did things.
    For example, what is the command to restart a Unix daemon?
    Or, what options did I select when installing an application? That way if I need to do it again, I’ll remember my choices.

  • @praveenperera
    @praveenperera 6 месяцев назад +1

    I wish there was a neovim plugin for logseq

  • @AnarchySane
    @AnarchySane 11 месяцев назад +1

    3:30 But Logseq, unlike Obsidian, does not have a standard template for creating extensions. So having it is half the case. 😅

  • @tjbrison
    @tjbrison 3 месяца назад

    PRINTING? I was an Obsidian user, but no native print ability has forced me to stop using it....Logseq also doesn't appear to be able to print natively?
    Export to PDF, discover all the formatting has failed and then reedit in Obsidian and export again etc. Total showstopper for me - does Logseq work in the same way?

  • @fullsleevetats
    @fullsleevetats 11 месяцев назад +2

    Obsidian, non-free, not open source, it's off the list from the start. That puts Logseq ahead, but Logseq against Joplin, Logseq falls behind on some features and capabilities.

  • @kora5
    @kora5 11 месяцев назад +2

    I love daily journal and outline-first approach. So surely Logseq

  • @freeideas
    @freeideas 4 месяца назад +1

    Using local storage is a deal-breaker for me. I use many devices and syncing is not an option because when I stop using one device, I can't predict which device I will be using next. I wish there was a cloud option.

    • @freeideas
      @freeideas 4 месяца назад

      Oh, and I don't care about privacy. Only in my dreams are my thoughts, ideas, experiences, and details interesting or valuable to anyone except me.

  • @Vedas_OM
    @Vedas_OM 8 месяцев назад

    Which Camera do you use?

  • @botbot3698
    @botbot3698 10 месяцев назад

    The right answer is to use BOTH :)

  • @mfernandes8945
    @mfernandes8945 10 месяцев назад

    Subscribed! Great content and very well delivered!

  • @kacperkazaniecki596
    @kacperkazaniecki596 10 месяцев назад

    Adam, I'm so grateful to have come across your channel. Very structured and well explained videos with professional quality. Tried obsidian for a few months but watching your videos helped me understand why it didn't feel natural to me. All about the concept of 'friction' that you speak about. LogSeq aligns much better with how I work and take notes. Atomic blocks that can be referenced from anywhere.
    I'm a developer so hope to add some plugins myself or contribute to LogSeq in my free time.
    Once again, I truly appreciate your videos greatly. I wish you all the best for this channel!
    Please set up buymeacoffe or equivalent as I'd love to support your work.

    • @SamirOumghar01
      @SamirOumghar01 7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for your comment.
      I would like to know which notetaking/notebook app do you recommend for programmers?

  • @QTwoSix
    @QTwoSix 3 месяца назад

    How slow does Logseq really get though? I'm assuming most good computers would be able to handle it

  • @Sub0x-x40
    @Sub0x-x40 11 месяцев назад +4

    I use arch lin.. sorry i meant ema... i mean obsidian

    • @SorelPunk
      @SorelPunk 9 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂 the best comment of the day

  • @kqvanity
    @kqvanity 6 месяцев назад

    I can longer tell the diff between pkm and plain note-taking apps

  • @CheesyCore
    @CheesyCore Месяц назад

    They both great for their job
    However, obsidian is unfree. So for me the discussion is over. Logseq is the only choice

  • @whisperwind9905
    @whisperwind9905 11 месяцев назад +1

    After inserting the picture, move the mouse over it and the picture will turn white.
    Is there a way to cancel this function?
    Very inconvenient to view

  • @letronix6243
    @letronix6243 2 месяца назад

    Of course Logseq. I do not need proprietary software on my devices.

  • @user-wp8mk3yg4o
    @user-wp8mk3yg4o 7 месяцев назад +1

    5:53 TO 6:53

  • @AnarchySane
    @AnarchySane 11 месяцев назад +3

    Logseq, unlike Obsidian, distorts Markdown extremely much, so you should not even stutter about any Future proof. I remind you that links to blocks will remain just sets of characters when exporting.
    Therefore, if you want to have access to notes in 5-10 years or more, then only Obsidian and so on that is stored in normal markdown files.

    • @tomtomico
      @tomtomico 11 месяцев назад +5

      But wouldn't you run into a similar issue when statting to use linking and extensions in Obsidian? (which is pretty much inevitable, isn't it?)

    • @AnarchySane
      @AnarchySane 11 месяцев назад

      @@tomtomico I personally generally use Foam for guaranteed future proof

    • @AnarchySane
      @AnarchySane 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@tomtomicoyes. That's why I'm not using Obsidian or logseq. My choice is Dendron. The dot hierarchy format does not distort the markdown link format in any way

    • @xthebumpx
      @xthebumpx 7 месяцев назад

      @@AnarchySane Isn't Dendron dead? Did it get new maintainers?

  • @enkiimuto1041
    @enkiimuto1041 5 месяцев назад

    You need to check trillum and joplin

    • @izleyici4141
      @izleyici4141 4 месяца назад

      joplin very slowly working

  • @fvc1612
    @fvc1612 10 месяцев назад +1

    Bro literally said 🥚

  • @timbushell8640
    @timbushell8640 11 месяцев назад +1

    So 'MD' is 'MD' and both O and LS can be pointed at the same 'starting "folder" or "vault"... so if I used LS to highlight some PDFs - locally stored - and opened the note file in O - do I get garbage?

    • @itsArridian
      @itsArridian 11 месяцев назад

      Nope, it does take some work to get them to play nice together though! Try to search it up on RUclips or google, there are a few videos on it

  • @Леонид-с5з
    @Леонид-с5з 9 месяцев назад +1

    3:59
    7:37

  • @Sub0x-x40
    @Sub0x-x40 11 месяцев назад +2

    The speed of obsidian after a bunch of notes is why its my main driver

  • @RegamiR
    @RegamiR 11 месяцев назад +2

    When talking about plugins please also try to compare from a mobile user's perspective. On Android, logseq is just barebones.

    • @michaeltodd2012
      @michaeltodd2012 9 месяцев назад +2

      And that's what moved me back to Obsidian. And I can't find anything on Logseq's site as to when they are going to support plugins on mobile.

  • @Arc_Soma2639
    @Arc_Soma2639 7 месяцев назад

    Meanwhile I use Notion

  • @KromKrausser
    @KromKrausser 9 месяцев назад +1

    I prefer Notepad

  • @technovelodos
    @technovelodos 11 месяцев назад +4

    Definitely Vi, I mean LogSeq

    • @new-lviv
      @new-lviv 11 месяцев назад +1

      I see you no afraid of Emacs army at your gates, soldier...

  • @donaldmickunas8552
    @donaldmickunas8552 3 месяца назад

    😂😂😂😂😂 "absolute unusable garbage"???? Both are used and loved by a large number of people. It really depends on one's personal taste and preference more than anything.

  • @nildesperandum2034
    @nildesperandum2034 5 месяцев назад

    THX EGG

  • @kevinhar5307
    @kevinhar5307 11 месяцев назад

    i use both now but i dont think any difference. seem even use logseq is also find as the mobile speed is faster than obsidian much. and i still looking for reason why need to use both. as i used obsidian before but seem this two tools so similer currently

    • @kevinhar5307
      @kevinhar5307 11 месяцев назад

      and you video gave me some insight about it

  • @celinnesu
    @celinnesu 11 месяцев назад

    logseq works alot like our brain, its easier for me to organize since I'm such a scatter brain and a visual learner

  • @spicynoodleboi
    @spicynoodleboi 11 месяцев назад

    I do love my logseq

  • @huba5647
    @huba5647 2 месяца назад

    you're cute!

  • @marcg1043
    @marcg1043 5 месяцев назад +1

    If you have every heard of the two packages and just want the insight, jump to 8:25 and you save yourself 8.5 minutes of blahblah

  • @1wayamazing619
    @1wayamazing619 11 месяцев назад

    One more vote for Logseq

  • @michaelemelyanov5199
    @michaelemelyanov5199 4 месяца назад

    focus on content instead self

  • @aceofswords1725
    @aceofswords1725 10 месяцев назад

    your pronunciation of logseq makes my brain ache

    • @ItsAlanYoung
      @ItsAlanYoung  10 месяцев назад +8

      According to the developers: It's pronounced “log-seek”. “Log” for “logbook” and “seq” for “sequence”.