I just want to say that watching Russian Test Skates Ladies FP was just a pure pleasure. Especially the second half. One of most enjoyable 40 minutes of my life. It was a magic
Seeing Zagitova enjoying her skate, I can finally enjoy her skate, too. I really liked her SP especially, improved artistry well-balanced with her techniques and transitions that did not look messy unlike last season. Looking forward to see her this season!
This Russian test skates gave me the chills !!! 🤩 Team Tutberidze is definitely the stronger to me. I was so surprised by Alina! I didn't expect that attitude from her, she seemed happy, enjoying her skating especially her free which you can say whatever you want but I loved it! 💗 The music, coreo, jumps are back, so nothing will change my mind, I hope she keeps that attitude always 🤞🏼 Also waiting for her dress hope it be nice as always. Trusova wow ! She might not be the best artist, typical delicate skater but that girl has determination, just look at her eyes, her stare 😱 If only Eteri & Daniil agree to open their team to more new people and experiment, I feel all the girls would improve even more!! Alyona beautiful as always, I actually liked her FP she did amazing!! So flirting and more refreshing ! 🥰 Anna looks so fragile like a fairy, so elegant, and she reminds me of a very young Alessandra Ambrosio. 🙊So I just waiting to see them competing and I feel that they will add a 3A, maybe it will be Alyona, or Trusova, Alina, Anna, all of them, who knows but I feel it... Ok Evgenia, she looks more mature, she's grown up and looks different in a good way. I liked her SP, well Muse is one of my fav bands, that song doesnt need much, she feels it, she did great! 🤩 Only in her free I am not convinced... Maybe because it's her 1st time presenting it but she seemed nervous, and she needs to increase the difficulty, more jumps, let's wait for the 4ad. 👀 I don't know I am not a skating expert I just see what I see and according to my taste and how the skater makes me feel I give my opinion. But yeah Evgenia looks better overall, she only needs to put more effort on the technical side and mental, she lacks that assertiveness she used to have before... Liza is so cool, very open, her 3A are great and she seems to be really wanting to compete and give a good fight! 💪🏼 I only watched them, Sofia and Stanislava I couldn't but I feel that they'll do their best. Conclusion: I feel that Russia will continue to be strong, lead this season! All the girls are good fighters and I'd not underestimate anyone, just remember last season! 😁 I can't wait for the challengers, gps, nationals, worlds etc...😱 Let's the best or at least the ones who do it better at the competition win! This is how sports roll, nothing is ever written in stone !! Good luck to all ✌🏼
I liked Sofia's costume in the FS. She still crosses herself multiple times before starting her skates. Her programs are exciting, and she has flair, but her skating does not seem to be at the same level as most of the other ladies here. Stanislava is perhaps my least favourite Russian lady, but to give her credit where it is due, she has gotten rid of the helicopter Tanos; her hands over the head are much more attractive now, and seems to be used selectively. She is still wooden (to me anyway) and that is why I am not a fan. I agree with Jonathan about "Team Tutberidze" evolving and improving, and that excites me.
Me I didn't like Trusova's program at all, even with the quads, it's like watching another sport not figure skating, the posture etc. I don't know, it was not beautiful. O_O
@@SirenMarjo Yeah I totally agree. She only has the jumping ability, there is ZERO artistry. But get ready, I'm sure the judges will award her all the components this year anyway.
I’m glad to see someone doing something bad ass and “unladylike.” That’s her style, especially with the body suit last season instead of a little dress like all the others. It’s nice to see someone being themselves.
Zagitova with all the confidence is really enjoyable to watch! I surprised myself that I actually like Kostornaia's Twilight program. Obviously there are much better music choices but I'm loving this new side of her!
Same. I think it's because she's obviously thoroughly enjoying it and skaters who enjoy what they're doing rather than just skating through the music are always better to watch.
Stevie Darling , I was just talking to my mum about it yesterday. I am going to Turin to Grand Prix finals and I so hope Hanyu will be injury free because I so want to see him.
I saw some improvment in Evgenia's skating, but this won't be sufficient for her to elevate her on the podium, I think Zagitova, Kostornaia, Trusova and Scherbakova will be the top four, with one of them remaining of podium, depending on the day.
Tuktamysheva brings a lot of energy and sass in both of the programs, the crowd loved it! Zagitova seems a lot more confident with the programs this year and does a stable 3Lz3Lo, I think she's ready to compete with the rest of ladies in her team
Agree, and listening to their interview afterwards (in Russian), they sound really happy to be on their ice. I haven't heard them be so happy about being on the ice and showing programs in as long as I can remember.
I loved both Alina's programs! She is looking stunning and ready for the rodeo! But the most important thing: She looks happy...I missed that confident little girl.♥️
59:40 Am I the only one that felt a bit cringey when Doug was talking about what is "lady-like"? Does he feel similarly about a man's layback, or Jason's spiral?
I was as well. How is a russian split not lady like...... so basically every single male skater ever is unmanly. Doug, Women can be strong and athletic and still be a lady thank you very much.
Trusova has a very masculine style. And that is fine with me, in fact, it is one thing I love about her. I guess we are all not as 'woke' as we pretend to be.
I think it's very difficult for Trusova to not be ahead. Her BV alone is 10 points higher than Anna's (who doesn't land the 4Lz often), and more than 20 points higher than Alina and Alena. And in terms of GOE, she does have good air time on her jumps, more than Alina and Anna, and her spins should get high GOE as well. With the 20 point difference, i think even if scored fairly in PCS, like you're saying in the video she gets 7s and the others get 9s/10s, I don't think that is 20 points.... I think fair and square, Trusova would win, because the GOE is there. It's not like she's jumping quads the size of Satoko's triples, and Alina/Anna are jumping triples the size of Polina Tsurskaya's.. I think her win would be justified
@@littlebachmonster Exactly. And it's not like she's going to get lower GOEs than the other girls (maybe in spins because the others fixed theirs). But Sasha's jumps are just as high if not higher than most of the girls' and she'll get quad GOE factoring, in addition to her massive quads. Anna/Alena/Alina just can't catch up even with 10s in PCS compared to her 7s (which is a huge stretch - because they're not even 3 points better in transitions, and Anna I think has even weaker skating skills). And then we all know Sasha is planning to add 3As and will if she can.
Dinara Simon : finally he realized how disciplined, focused, intelligent and hard worker Alina is ❤️💐🌹🌹 she is totally different than...: here I’m, look at me, but cero talent !
meltemt02 yes, all the girls are incredibly talented. But Jonathan was so unfair to Alina, he kept saying it was not her fault , it was choreography but still had nothing good to say about her even after her win at Worlds, he was just annoyed that she won. Hence when I heard him praising Zagitova, I was like “am i dreaming? Somebody, pinch me, please” lol
@@dinchik19 May be because that Carmen was total mess? Judges just blinked on all her underrotations and gave her components she never deserved? This Cleopatra program is soo much better in every department.
Tarasova / Morozov short is amazing ( still not totally sold in the Free)!!! And their hair game 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻on point! Marina totally took away all the tackiness going on , the look so modern! Honorable mention to Anna costume change , it was magical ❤️
Just want to point out that Kostornaia fixed her lutz edge. Medvedeva and the Cricket Club should really try to find out how she did it. Also I think Eteri and Mishin should work together to get each other’s students 3A and Quads.
Kostornaia still has a flutz it's just better hidden, I watched hers in slow motion and although it wasn't mega inside like Evgenia's is, it certainly isn't outside. Hers is hidden better though because of her entry (its much faster)
Helena Prout There’s a fancam with better angle (ruclips.net/video/UZy_gnWcvL4/видео.html) and her lutz edge looks outside to me. It might not be deep but it’s a big improvement from last season.
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 I hope that's the case, she's simply wonderful in all other aspects (if we forget the leg wrap) The one I saw had a camera right behind her so maybe the angle of the camera altered the reality slightly
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 if you stop it 0.01 before the take-off I believe it's super slightly outside. Flat at most. definitely not inside the way Medvedeva does it. ibb.co/xm9cMPj
I agree with Dave about Evgenia's free skate being too white washed. I think Memoirs of Geisha's music is the most suitable for SP rather than FS. The way music cuts were done had sth to do with that as well. In Evgenia's program, that particular part of Sayuri's theme kept coming back and it aided to the whole program looking almost quite monotonous. Even during the dramatic parts, there wasnt anything in particular that grabbed my attention (it almost looked like she was going through motions rather than feeling the music during the last step sq btw). On the other hand, Satoko's SP to the same music was done in a very clever way. It had a nice built up and putting that part of Sayuri's theme solely at the end of program had that effect, I think.
I definitely agree. The last part where the music picked up was great, but the first half or so was very monotonous and empty. I did really like her short program. I wonder if they had swapped it so that Muse was the lp and Memoirs was so if it would've been better
Quad axels!?! Quints!?! Absolutely nutty. While the continual growth is really amazing, the toll this expansion is taking on skaters’ hips and knees hurts my soul. Thanks TSL for another great show!
Watched all the test skates, interviews, and behind the scenes shot by Russian television all of yesterday. It's going to be a blood bath among ladies this season! I absolutely loved Alena Kostarnaya (I've never seen anyone float on ice in the 15 years I've been watching figure skating, if only she showed us her 3A), Sinitsina/Katsalapov (their short is extremely beautiful; and their interviews are so level headed), Morozov/Tarasov (in their interviews they sound happier and more hungry than I've ever heard them sound; they also said they spend about double the time on ice than they did in Moscow and that has contributed to their improvement, and are practicing with dancers, not pairs; they said that dancers have higher blade skills and they've seen improvement as they're trying to keep up with the best in the group; they also said they only moved across the big pond for results and sound like they have the highest of results in their mind, very serious about that). I also loved Stasya's short program (what a beautiful image she creates, and that dress!). And I got to give props to Sasha Trusova, where it's due (even if I like her skating less than other Eteri's girls and Genya) - 3 quads in one program! And she didn't even sound tired in an interview right after she got off; she was ready to go back on ice and do it all over again. That girl cracks me up, because in her interviews she is extremeley shy and coy, unless she talks about her jumps :) When asked once, what will she do if men will start jumping 5s, she answered, without skipping a beat,"jump 5s as well, of course! Who said women can't do what men can?" And for that, you got to give this kid credit :)
I would agree Trusova's skating skills need improvement. But generally that's what I want skating to be - unladylike (!). Since last season, I have been hoping Sasha (with the help from her team) keeps, develops and refines her own style - athletic, 'futuristic', genderless. There's amazing potential there for 'ladies' figure skating to stop being attached to outdated stereotypes associated with feminine expression. C'mon, it's 2019.
I would love to see her develop this style, tbh. In juniors, i liked how she wasn't fitting into the "princess" mold and I loved the energy she brought. but at this point the difference in skating skills is becoming really obvious. Hopefully she can take some more pages out of the mens book bc the top men in general are far outstripping the top women in skating skills, all jumping aside.
This is the weird thing for me about Alexei Mishin. Everyone talks about what an amazing coach he is, particularly on the technical front. But why is it that he ignores - removes - complicated transitions and intricate choreography when these are an essential way that skaters rack up the points (and not just the artistic score but also the technical score)? Anyone who takes the time to study Eteri's girls can see exactly this. Yes, their routines are too cluttered, but all these additions help them get the scores they need to come out on top. Elizaveta seems to be putting all her eggs into the "I have two 3A in my Free Skate" basket. Even if she lands both of them, she is going to have to have some misses from her competitors in order to medal at Russian nationals. It's a bit insane the depth in ladies' figure skating in Russia right now. Think about it: it's entirely possible (in fact, likely) that a skater doing two 3As won't even get selected to compete in the WC.
I also feel this way about Mishin. He might be an incredible technical coach, but I don't think he shows smart coaching in regards to Elizaveta or Sophia. IJS is a points system, why wouldn't he encourage racking up as many points as possible? And I love Elizaveta but I agree her programs are not up to the standard that they should be considering the depth of talent in Russia.
It's really strange that such jump specialist as Doug didn't mention anything about HUGE UR on toeloop in Haein Lee's short - which wasn't called (and if it was - Usacheva would get gold medal). It seems either he didn't want to do it due to personal bias or just didn't watch her short at all. P.S.: also not a word about Akatieva's two 3As in her free is somewhat disappointing. Even if it's a novice level - she is still the only woman in the world now who have a quad and 3As in one program - and actually rotates all of them.
All Eter's girls did great through the test skates, there are at different level compare to others. I love SP of Sasha (Trusova) and Anna and FP of Alena ana Alina. All programs are so suitable to each of them, so stunning!!!
Exogenesis has always hit me as a long program - see Jeremy Abbott, '13-'14 season. To me, trying to fit that music into a 2:40 short makes the program feel rushed and abridged...
I was shocked by how amazing Tarasova and Morozov looked skating to Bolero. I’m impressed by the Knierims’ lifts since switching coaches. Doug likely isn’t aware, but Alexa said Chris actually forgot part of the program, which explains why they just stood there at one point. The only part I’m a bit leery of is the stop after the death spiral very early in the program. I would keep the speed going there. Other than that, the program flows well and has plenty of potential. Cain and LeDuc skated one clean program last season at US Nationals, had jump errors at every event, and are behind on the pair elements to begin with, so I don’t get the impression Alexa and Chris must land everything to win Nationals. They need to land at least some of the jumps, but I feel like we sometimes place unreal expectations on them. Sui and Han have rarely landed all the jumps and they are winning everything. Alexa and Chris should never feel pressure to have to be perfect. If the US’s aim is to merely give the National title to the pair with the fewest mistakes or the most warhorsey music, then they’re only encouraging very safe and cookie cutter pair skating that isn’t competitive on the World level anyway (not mentioning any names). Dave, I appreciate your comments and I’m on the same page with you more these days.
My moment of the week is Tarasova and Morozov's free. I'm blown away. I'm obsessed. Marina has transformed them. That program is awesome. They look like a new team. I can't stop watching! Thank you guys for this! Great to see Doug again. :)
I love them since Rakhmaninov programm^^ Marina Zueva said she'd got technicaly a very strong and acomplished pair but they had to work with presentation and do interesting choreography) The guys said they loved Marina's attitude and how she treated them. I think they feel that their coach needs and wants them for the first time.
The big takeaway from the test skates, and what the world and especially the USFS should pay attention to, was how prepared all the Russian skaters were. They all performed at the highest level (with a few exceptions). It showed how much Russia is ready to play! It was very exciting to see.
If Jason is competitive、why not Daisuke? We fans already know why he came back. It is not about winning. His goal is to become the best performer. Not the medal. So we are happy as long as he skates.
It really pains me to say that, but if all the Eteri girls have a good season start, then Alena seems the more likely to be cut from the Euro/World team. Alexandra/Anna will rack up too many points if they land their quads, so it’ll eventually come down to Alena vs Alina... But Alina has the lutz/loop combination and the titles/confidence. Such a shame, because Alena is just stunning
this is exactly what I am thinking, although, I still think Alena stands the chance, but this said all other Russian skaters and perhaps international at senior level are off podium.
She isn't 100% yet for one thing, and this year isn't the most crucial year. Next year will be, and by next year I'll bet she'll have the 3A back, and her total strength back. And that 3A is crucial for everyone. Rika has the 3A AND a quad and she will beat all of Eteri's girls if she hits everything.
Kitty Crumb sure, Rika would likely beat Anna, but not sure about Alexandra. I mean Sasha hits three quads including one in combination, and her triple/triple combinations are harder than Rika’s - not sure Rika’s superior artistic score would be enough to knock her off too
I think both Medvedeva's programs are beautiful, sophisticated and unique. She just needs to do more run-throughs. Among my family and friends, everyone is also fascinated by her face and eyes. Stunner.
I know for sure your opinion doesn't change the fact plenty people consider her for stunning (including these three in the video if you even listened) and you are an average looser that cannot accept other opinions.
And btw, many models are not even pretty, just skinny and tall. Evgenia is much more beautiful. My bet is she will be on television long after her sport career as a TV host, actress etc. She has charisma, hypnotic eyes, charm and is pure star material. Only losers cannot see it. They prefer plastic Barbie with nothing interesting in face at all. Just a stupid smile.
@@evanperilstein5308 You are the only one unrealistic here. Who you think you are, to assume that your opinion matters more than others? I know two things for sure. Evgenia is a gorgeous young woman and you are an idiot that probably still lives with his mom and has no perspective to get a girlfriend. Not even an average one, un ugly side. Bye, idiot.
Evan Perilstein : agree! Not pretty at all and her body doesn’t help either. Her funs don’t observe her objectively , they adored her ...that’s why they see beauty and talent were doesn’t exist!
Averbuch proved again he is the best choreographer for Medvedeva. I was so disappointed by her free program, both music choice and Burn choreography do not work.
@mish098aimer And that's why it feels like addition not original one. Entire program she is going up up up and suddenly in stsq she starts going down. I wonder why didn't Averbuch choreographed it himself.
I don’t know how long Evgenia’s competitive career will last but one things for sure. That girl is beautiful. My mom has said since Day 1 she looks like a Kendall Jenner. I think that girl can find success in many arenas. She’s a go getter.
Daniela Rifai : you’re are a crazy fanatic! Who cares other people say! She is a regular girl far way to be beautiful. I’ve seen you since The Worlds talking nonsense about your idol.
I saw her in Skate Canada last year (I was sitting on the second row) and thought she was stunning. More than that, she had a presence on the ice that made you not want to take your eyes off her. She really commands your attention and has absolute star quality. I also thought that Liza Tuktamysheva was pretty, but she does not have the appeal and presence that Evgenia did.
The geisha aren't drama queens. They're a respectable and nuanced art that doesn't sell out their image with more modern entertainment standards, and I think the team at cricket and zhenya herself really understand that. There's many references from the film in the choreography too. I think they nailed it in the historical and cultural accuracy.
You raised good points. I'm sure Raf's technique isn't for everyone, especially if we expect skaters to master it overnight. Any severe movement into a triple toe seems like it might hamper one's timing more than aid it, but that's just me. The less movement in the entry, the fewer places for something to become off. Remember Adam's huge curve into his triple axel? Certainly not the technique for most people. If the jump entry still feels foreign and needs more muscle memory, then it might be a technical issue more than a mental one. Only Alexa & Chris know, but I don't think they need drastic technical changes, more like tweaks. Chris had gotten over the popping tendencies for the most part and rotated a lot of jumps last season and now they've changed the technique again, so that takes time. I like the suggestion of having cue words. That might be more valuable than sports psychologists. It's also important psychologically to not dwell on one element out of a 12 element pair program, so I'm doing them a disservice by only mentioning jumps. They are definitely improved overall and obviously have a lot of strong qualities that put them in good stead and make them potentially more competitive against stronger pairs. Didn't Meagan Duhamel once say she wasn't fond of the Mid Atlantic competition? The skaters should treat it as a low-key warmup event, not get worked up over mistakes. I would hope Alexa isn't that hard on herself when she falls on one jump. Find me a pair girl who never misses. She's wonderful and needs confidence. If she's nailing them in practice it will translate to competition in time.
Also, just attended a local competition-mostly Juvenile/Intermediate ladies-wanna guess how many of these 'ladies' attempted 'cantilevers'? At least half of them. (there were some spectacular wipeouts) My prediction is the cantilever is here to stay, 'ladylike' or not.
the fs of Evgenia has same steps, transitions and things from Seimei and Hope and legacy ... a disappointment from Shae Lynn. Hanyu's programs are strong, charismatic and with a strong message. this Medvedeva program is a whim
A question to TSL: Now that ladies TES points are higher than they used to be a few years ago (especially with quadsters like Trusova), is there any chance that the ISU will adjust the factoring of the PCS scores? E.g. 0.9 in the short and 1.7 in the long?
I feel like zhenia is doing as many lutzes as she can because she needs at least one in her free and she needs to practice it under pressure, right? I mean if anything they're trying to get her to correct her edge by just having her doing it lots of times? as for her programs, I think they're better than the ones she had last season and her flow/speed seem better than last season as well. At this point I feel like she should just worry about enjoying skating and improving for herself rather than worrying about competition and winning and all that. I was so impressed with Zagitova, not only in terms of her jumps being fully rotated but she was actually allowed to hold positions and her programs weren't a complete atrocity!! she still has the hunch problem but I actually feel excited to watch her this season
What a disappointment for Kolyada ,,,I was hoping his troubles were behind him, because he could be the best ! On the other hand, Voronov looks to be in the best shape, ready to compete, and more elegant than I have ever seen him. Since he wasn’t mentioned in this broadcast, I just wanted to put that out there. Also, I’m surprised the Israeli boy in Riga wasn’t mentioned ,,,,he is pure joy and talent ! Torgashev reminds me of a poor mans Adam Rippon. Evgenia and Alina are both stunning beauties, but let’s get real, technically they are way behind the other ladies,,,,they will both struggle to make the World team after Russian Nationals.
@@evanperilstein5308 I don't think you're fare to Evgenia. Her programs have potential, they will obviously add more elements to get better points. Let's not forget how much her free program changed throughout the last season: they added 3s+3lo in the middle of the year! I think they both, Alina and Zhenya, have a chance if they are clean. However, it's unpredictable. Your point on Alina's placing second is shaky, cause there are still Liza with three 3A, Anna with 4Lutz and Alena with crazy components and overall good technique. I believe all thses ladies deserve a place at the podium, so which one would win is a case of fortune. Trusova can be the absolute champion, but let's not forget that she doesn't always perform her quads. Last year she lost to Sherbakova and Kostornay. So, we can't really predict anything.
Kolyada needs a new coach, but it's not happening so his problems will never be behind him. I really expect nothing from him but beautiful skating in between all the bad jumps.
Evan Perilstein ,,Alina is very capable of disastrous skates as well.,,,not making the World podium after winning the Olympics, not making the podium at last years Russian Nationals, so we will see who steps up. One thing for sure, Russian Nationals will be the competition of the year!
Medvedeva should change the entrance to her 3lz entrance or remove it from her programs. I have seen her doing the same entrance as Alina few seasons ago, looked way better. That entrance can hide flutzing quite well. I loved evgenia and Vladimir’s short a looot but long was boring. Evgenia seemed more vivid but the guy is still boring. looking at Ksenia was still more exciting despite her technical errors Btw there was a show with Tarasova, she was invited in the music show as an ‘expert’ in music. She said she has one piece that she is dreaming to make a program for pairs but she did not have a pair for that music. I have a feeling she will make that program for Stolbova, May be for Olympics if she reaches that far
YOUR comments about skating skills and the technical aspect of skating- I agree 100% however with the sexist comments you add here and there it just leaves a bad taste, your sport comments about "unladylike" element are not in place as well as comments about the skaters looks and hair (this is not miss world competition).
"presentation" includes "packaging" a skater. Hair, costume, makeup, as well as an aesthetic created by music and style of movement...otherwise why have music playing...they could just wear black bodysuits and each attempt jumps and spins. Of course we are all going to have opinions on what we prefer to see from a skater. TSL is just expressing their opinions....I don't get why you listen if you don't want to hear their thoughts....personally I love it!!
Loved her short, think her free needs work-she also looked like she hadn't practiced her FS as much as her sp (and so was lacking on stamina) I think they're being a bit negative overall on EM- her 2a3T was fine in practice as was her 3F, I honestly think it's a case of she needs more practice. Also, as lovely as Alina is, her posture seriously needs addressing (and I had to watch her short on mute because the music just doesn't work in a rink in my opinion, I think it just sounds awful)
@@ramitodevioletas575 I think she already has but isn't warmed up for the season yet (this doesn't apply to her flutz, as much as I adore her I can say with certainty that it will never improve, but props to her for trying anyway) She clearly was low on stamina- in the teaser it seems like there was more to her Stsq that we haven't yet seen. Adult ladies don't have the endless energy of 15 year olds so have to pace themselves wisely. I think she needs more transitions in her free skate and maybe a spread eagle on the first chorus section of her SP to add more effect and wow factor. Her SS have improved but I think it's hard to tell when she clearly hasn't rehearsed her FS that much compared to her SP. but the way in which she held those edges at the beginning of her SP is a good indicator.
Katsalapov doesn't know how to keep his shoulders down when he twizzles, which is a shame because otherwise he moves great. And yes Sinitsina looks very strong and beautiful. Both programs make them look mature. I don't know if H/D's Lady Gaga is gonna match up to Dvorak.
As someone who has read and seen Memoirs of a Geisha, I loved the program. In the movie, they play that music during Chiyo's transformation from a servant to a successful Geisha. I believe Evgenia showed that from how the program developed.
@tamar you call all people who don't adore Alina Medohyena. In fact you act like ' Zagihyena' around youtube then? Like here, she was talking about liking Evgenia's program and you insult Evgenia in reaction? Look what you say all around. It's just sick. People like you are the reason why figure skating became toxic.
@@veronikpavlova Nooo, even though Hatsumomo was evil sinister she was garceful and has captivating mysterious charm. Medvedeva is not even an ounce of her.
From many interviews from Yuna, she claimed that she asked Orser to be her coach after having some classes from him. And the fact that Javi and Yuzu stayed with Orser for years. I believe Orser can teach. The question is whether Orser is the right coach for Evgenia or whether moving to a foreign countries for a young girl is too much to handle. Either way it seems that it has been too much for Evgenia mentally to handle. Orser’s facial expression was different from what he looked when with Javi and Yuzu. Anyway, I wish Evgenia can overcome difficulties in her life. Anyway the Japanese music does not fit for Evgenia. Asian music choice is also a good one, but it needs to be easy for people from different cultures to understand melody-wise. That is easy for people of different countries to follow and enjoy without knowing the story of that piece of music.
There is fan cam of Orser and Tracy reaction on Medvedeva's free skate. After the free skate it seemed like Orser was avoiding eye contact with Zhenya. Also this looks exchange they made with Tracy while Zhenya was looking down was so alarming.
Yuna and Yuzu went to Canada to train with Brian at the age of 16, Evgenia is already 19 so I don’t think it’s young age. Was very surprised Brian took Evgenia in as a student bcos she really had so much to work on and change. I do realised Brian looked extremely stressed now too, he used to be relax and happy. Agreed on the music choice, it doesn’t really suits her, she still seems better with the previous music she skated to while with Eteri.
If Medvedeva skates with the confidence and tech level of the test skates she’s in trouble. The short had some lovely choreography but those jumps. Liza on the other hand never looked better jump wise and imo her skating skills had improved a little.
Even though Eteris 4 A were the strongest I think only 2 of them will end up in the worlds team. Trusova and one from Alina/Aliona. I think Rus fed will be still pushing one from medvedeva/tuktamisheva
@@thisiswater9231 Lisa is a very strong skater, a world champion, with three triple axels in her programs. Evgenia is one of the most award-winning sportsmen Russia has with a prospect of a quad. They don't need to be pushed by anyone. They deserve to be at the podium, as all other girls do.
Don't agree they'll still be pushing Medvedeva and they've never pushed Liza. If they had to pick an artistic skater with lower tech they'll go with Alena, who will probably out PCS most people by the end of the season.
Well it had been said several times by rusfed bosses that rule is: 1st and 2nd place at nationals automatically join national team and 3rd candidate will be chosen by coaches council.
Honestly, I don't want to get my hopes up prematurely with any Eteri boy. Adian retired early due to injury, and Skirda, who won two jgp silvers and qualified for the final his first year in juniors, got injured and has not been on the jgp last season nor this one.
sparkl121 just like the girls eteri has sum boys coming thru the levels so I’m sure he could be just as replaceable as the girls at some point luckily for him he has a few years on some of the boys in her camp just watch!!! But I hope he can start to enjoy it , it looks sad to watch so talent and he looks like it’s life or death sad ain’t it??
Gosh Guys, perhaps in 10 years, the men will be wearing sequins and chiffon skirts, and the ladies will be wearing pants or unitards. I'm thinking even the un'ladylike' skaters may just have the last laugh.
Been waiting all day for this. I agree with Dave about the Koreans. They’re on the upswing. ❤️ Russian Polish Girl! She has a personality. Doug Haw is the expert. He sat behind me at 2016 Worlds. Awesome experience!
The pre-season predictions are fun and make for a great conversation while we wait for the first senior event, but I am only inclined to believe the predictions of the person(s) who predicted last season that the European Champion was going to be Sofia Samodurova.
How come you haven't even noticed in JGP Anastasiia Arkhipova who was brilliant in short program, severely underscored due belonging to wrong federation and then was frozen to death by that interruption and had major meltdown in the free?
In that century where Trusova jump-machine will win all the competitions and beautiful and expressive skaters like Zagitova and Kostornaya wouldn't even get into the world team because - TES
TRUSOVA has amazing skating skills, which is typical for Team Tutberidze, what I've noticed is Tutberidze choreograph the strong female hero archetype on the Trusova because she's the least fragile skater team Tutberidze ever had to date. Sherbacova quick change dress is a good gag but would like a different design for Grand Prix season or worlds.
I have to disagree with you about Medvedeva's Geisha program. I think the music is beautiful & cutted smartly, the choreo is great too. If you felt that it's not good enough or not pleasing, it may be because she hasn't done enough run throughs, as she said, and this was also what I thought when I saw the video for the first time. I'm not saying that she is going to be much better in this season but imo there's no problem with the program. If you don't like it, it's because she's not fit enough yet, but she has developed a lot. Imo she has speed now that no other Russian girl has.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
44:40 - Medvedeva
51:53 - Tuktamysheva
57:55 - Trusova
1:01:58 - Zagitova
1:04:44 - Medvedeva's hair
1:05:23 - Shcherbakova
1:09:32 - Kostornaya
I just want to say that watching Russian Test Skates Ladies FP was just a pure pleasure. Especially the second half. One of most enjoyable 40 minutes of my life. It was a magic
Seeing Zagitova enjoying her skate, I can finally enjoy her skate, too. I really liked her SP especially, improved artistry well-balanced with her techniques and transitions that did not look messy unlike last season. Looking forward to see her this season!
I agree. I still have a problem with her posture though. :/
@@Rachel-rs7jnI agree too. I hope she can soften up a little more sometimes.
People in 2018: OMG! THE NEW JGP IS GOING TO BE A BLOODBATH BETWEEN RUSSIA, USA, AND JAPAN!
South Korea in 2019: Hold my frozen beer.
7 months later.....bloodbattle between Alena vs Anna vs Alexandra.
2020: Hold my coronavirus 🦠
This Russian test skates gave me the chills !!! 🤩 Team Tutberidze is definitely the stronger to me. I was so surprised by Alina! I didn't expect that attitude from her, she seemed happy, enjoying her skating especially her free which you can say whatever you want but I loved it! 💗 The music, coreo, jumps are back, so nothing will change my mind, I hope she keeps that attitude always 🤞🏼 Also waiting for her dress hope it be nice as always. Trusova wow ! She might not be the best artist, typical delicate skater but that girl has determination, just look at her eyes, her stare 😱 If only Eteri & Daniil agree to open their team to more new people and experiment, I feel all the girls would improve even more!! Alyona beautiful as always, I actually liked her FP she did amazing!! So flirting and more refreshing ! 🥰 Anna looks so fragile like a fairy, so elegant, and she reminds me of a very young Alessandra Ambrosio. 🙊So I just waiting to see them competing and I feel that they will add a 3A, maybe it will be Alyona, or Trusova, Alina, Anna, all of them, who knows but I feel it...
Ok Evgenia, she looks more mature, she's grown up and looks different in a good way. I liked her SP, well Muse is one of my fav bands, that song doesnt need much, she feels it, she did great! 🤩 Only in her free I am not convinced... Maybe because it's her 1st time presenting it but she seemed nervous, and she needs to increase the difficulty, more jumps, let's wait for the 4ad. 👀 I don't know I am not a skating expert I just see what I see and according to my taste and how the skater makes me feel I give my opinion. But yeah Evgenia looks better overall, she only needs to put more effort on the technical side and mental, she lacks that assertiveness she used to have before... Liza is so cool, very open, her 3A are great and she seems to be really wanting to compete and give a good fight! 💪🏼
I only watched them, Sofia and Stanislava I couldn't but I feel that they'll do their best. Conclusion: I feel that Russia will continue to be strong, lead this season! All the girls are good fighters and I'd not underestimate anyone, just remember last season! 😁
I can't wait for the challengers, gps, nationals, worlds etc...😱 Let's the best or at least the ones who do it better at the competition win! This is how sports roll, nothing is ever written in stone !! Good luck to all ✌🏼
Zagitova is in better shape re jumps but skating still needs improvement, posture, speed
@@annfotlyan8655 Well yes , in fact to me all girls always need to improve on something not only her , not all are perfect✌🏼
Nice to see some positivity ))
I liked Sofia's costume in the FS. She still crosses herself multiple times before starting her skates. Her programs are exciting, and she has flair, but her skating does not seem to be at the same level as most of the other ladies here. Stanislava is perhaps my least favourite Russian lady, but to give her credit where it is due, she has gotten rid of the helicopter Tanos; her hands over the head are much more attractive now, and seems to be used selectively. She is still wooden (to me anyway) and that is why I am not a fan.
I agree with Jonathan about "Team Tutberidze" evolving and improving, and that excites me.
@@user-dw9rf3tm8q There's already so much bad things in the world, having a better perspective doesn't hurt anyone ✌🏼
Sorry guys, I love the cantilever. Now she is actually touching the ice behind her. Amazing.
agreed!
Me I didn't like Trusova's program at all, even with the quads, it's like watching another sport not figure skating, the posture etc. I don't know, it was not beautiful. O_O
@@SirenMarjo Yeah I totally agree. She only has the jumping ability, there is ZERO artistry. But get ready, I'm sure the judges will award her all the components this year anyway.
and what beautiful about it? it is vulgar..trusova can do something what is NICE on the ice?
I’m glad to see someone doing something bad ass and “unladylike.” That’s her style, especially with the body suit last season instead of a little dress like all the others. It’s nice to see someone being themselves.
Zagitova with all the confidence is really enjoyable to watch!
I surprised myself that I actually like Kostornaia's Twilight program. Obviously there are much better music choices but I'm loving this new side of her!
Same. I think it's because she's obviously thoroughly enjoying it and skaters who enjoy what they're doing rather than just skating through the music are always better to watch.
I love Alina & Alyona to me they are the most beautiful skaters and also have talent , I like her twilight program she looked so cool 😎
I don’t need quints-I just want Yuzuru to make it through a season
Stevie Darling wishing him good health and many battles with Nathan and Shoma!
@@TheSkatingLesson Go Nathan!!!
Stevie Darling , I was just talking to my mum about it yesterday. I am going to Turin to Grand Prix finals and I so hope Hanyu will be injury free because I so want to see him.
I saw some improvment in Evgenia's skating, but this won't be sufficient for her to elevate her on the podium, I think Zagitova, Kostornaia, Trusova and Scherbakova will be the top four, with one of them remaining of podium, depending on the day.
@mish098aimer True. Both, Liza and Elizabeth are strong competition. Evgenia is giving me an impression of a skater from the past.... sorry////
That was a flutz that stevie wonder could have seen. Line of the day.
Marc Galvan
I have to agree
It really make me laugh. Thank you, gonna remember the phrase 😂😂
It's one of those things that makes me wonder....how does someone get to that level with such incorrect technique? (Eteri I'm looking at you!)
@@Rachel-rs7jn They get there because they are before puberty and can jump. However later on things fall apart
Tuktamysheva brings a lot of energy and sass in both of the programs, the crowd loved it! Zagitova seems a lot more confident with the programs this year and does a stable 3Lz3Lo, I think she's ready to compete with the rest of ladies in her team
Tarasova/Morozov blew me away with their Bolero short!!! They stepped it all the way UP. That is a winning program, I was so impressed.
Marina is doing the good work.
The opening move remember something Sui&Han could do, they look refreshed!
Agree, and listening to their interview afterwards (in Russian), they sound really happy to be on their ice. I haven't heard them be so happy about being on the ice and showing programs in as long as I can remember.
Anna Shcherbakova :Sailor Moon transformation realness 👏👏😄 give her 10 extra points just for that 🤣🤣
JAVIR29 all the points!
I loved both Alina's programs! She is looking stunning and ready for the rodeo! But the most important thing: She looks happy...I missed that confident little girl.♥️
She looked so joyful and at ease!
She looks as robotic and juniorish as ever. Biggest joke of an Olympic Champion.
@@Qacc6 Now say it without cry, little rat.
@@Qacc6 juniorish your attitude, sweetheart.
Evan Perilstein : guess? 😂😂😂😂 the ungrateful Evgenia.
59:40 Am I the only one that felt a bit cringey when Doug was talking about what is "lady-like"? Does he feel similarly about a man's layback, or Jason's spiral?
I was as well. How is a russian split not lady like...... so basically every single male skater ever is unmanly.
Doug, Women can be strong and athletic and still be a lady thank you very much.
Trusova has a very masculine style. And that is fine with me, in fact, it is one thing I love about her. I guess we are all not as 'woke' as we pretend to be.
@mish098aimer So you agree she is not elegant? cause she is not. Yuzuru for example is a male skater but is beautiful to watch
Evan Perilstein Old fashioned indeed. I also cringed when he said the ladies in dresses instead of bodysuits did it right.
Doug made it through the show without saying anything super alarming --- we should all breathe a sigh of relief.
Amen to the ballet lessons!! I'm with you 100%.
Nicolette Wells 💯
I think it's very difficult for Trusova to not be ahead. Her BV alone is 10 points higher than Anna's (who doesn't land the 4Lz often), and more than 20 points higher than Alina and Alena. And in terms of GOE, she does have good air time on her jumps, more than Alina and Anna, and her spins should get high GOE as well. With the 20 point difference, i think even if scored fairly in PCS, like you're saying in the video she gets 7s and the others get 9s/10s, I don't think that is 20 points.... I think fair and square, Trusova would win, because the GOE is there. It's not like she's jumping quads the size of Satoko's triples, and Alina/Anna are jumping triples the size of Polina Tsurskaya's.. I think her win would be justified
Helen she has a huge advantage in TES.
Well 5 components marks, loses each by 3 points is 15 points. Where’s the rest? Alena has it really tough because of two double axels
@@littlebachmonster Exactly. And it's not like she's going to get lower GOEs than the other girls (maybe in spins because the others fixed theirs). But Sasha's jumps are just as high if not higher than most of the girls' and she'll get quad GOE factoring, in addition to her massive quads. Anna/Alena/Alina just can't catch up even with 10s in PCS compared to her 7s (which is a huge stretch - because they're not even 3 points better in transitions, and Anna I think has even weaker skating skills). And then we all know Sasha is planning to add 3As and will if she can.
🙄 No! Jonathan is not a horrible thing to say Alina is gorgeous.
She is an exotic beauty to me
Alina is beautiful.
She is a gorgeous exquisite beauty hahaha like really, she has the perfect body and face!
Alina Is beautiful, little envious
Je suis Leslie : Alina is beautiful, sweet, nice figure, elegant and chic 🌹❤️
"That's a flutz that even steve wonder can see " lol 😂
Facts!
Wow, it was the first time Jonathan had something good to say about Zagitova lol
Dinara Simon : finally he realized how disciplined, focused, intelligent and hard worker Alina is ❤️💐🌹🌹 she is totally different than...: here I’m, look at me, but cero talent !
Lulú P I think all of the Russian girls have incredible talents
meltemt02 yes, all the girls are incredibly talented. But Jonathan was so unfair to Alina, he kept saying it was not her fault , it was choreography but still had nothing good to say about her even after her win at Worlds, he was just annoyed that she won. Hence when I heard him praising Zagitova, I was like “am i dreaming? Somebody, pinch me, please” lol
@@dinchik19 May be because that Carmen was total mess? Judges just blinked on all her underrotations and gave her components she never deserved? This Cleopatra program is soo much better in every department.
@@gtestkey I agree.
Tarasova / Morozov short is amazing ( still not totally sold in the Free)!!! And their hair game 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻on point! Marina totally took away all the tackiness going on , the look so modern!
Honorable mention to Anna costume change , it was magical ❤️
Totally agree! Loved their short, but didn't feel any emotion in their free (especially compared to Stolbova and Novoselov).
Just want to point out that Kostornaia fixed her lutz edge. Medvedeva and the Cricket Club should really try to find out how she did it.
Also I think Eteri and Mishin should work together to get each other’s students 3A and Quads.
Kostornaia still has a flutz it's just better hidden, I watched hers in slow motion and although it wasn't mega inside like Evgenia's is, it certainly isn't outside. Hers is hidden better though because of her entry (its much faster)
Helena Prout There’s a fancam with better angle (ruclips.net/video/UZy_gnWcvL4/видео.html) and her lutz edge looks outside to me. It might not be deep but it’s a big improvement from last season.
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 I hope that's the case, she's simply wonderful in all other aspects (if we forget the leg wrap)
The one I saw had a camera right behind her so maybe the angle of the camera altered the reality slightly
Helena Prout The camera behind her version looks outside to me too tho (i.imgur.com/IiPz4sg.jpg).
@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 if you stop it 0.01 before the take-off I believe it's super slightly outside. Flat at most. definitely not inside the way Medvedeva does it.
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I agree with Dave about Evgenia's free skate being too white washed. I think Memoirs of Geisha's music is the most suitable for SP rather than FS. The way music cuts were done had sth to do with that as well. In Evgenia's program, that particular part of Sayuri's theme kept coming back and it aided to the whole program looking almost quite monotonous. Even during the dramatic parts, there wasnt anything in particular that grabbed my attention (it almost looked like she was going through motions rather than feeling the music during the last step sq btw). On the other hand, Satoko's SP to the same music was done in a very clever way. It had a nice built up and putting that part of Sayuri's theme solely at the end of program had that effect, I think.
I definitely agree. The last part where the music picked up was great, but the first half or so was very monotonous and empty. I did really like her short program. I wonder if they had swapped it so that Muse was the lp and Memoirs was so if it would've been better
@@a00047 yeah. I feel like that would have been better. But lets see how the season will go.
I think she will learn how to sell it under pressure over the course of the season. Her LP at worlds last year was great.
Quad axels!?! Quints!?! Absolutely nutty. While the continual growth is really amazing, the toll this expansion is taking on skaters’ hips and knees hurts my soul. Thanks TSL for another great show!
You're very welcome!
Yeah, quads are enough I'll say.
Yuzu wants to make even more history. This quest is definitely being led by him.
Galactic Squid citing your own source “Still, Zakrajsek is confident that certain skaters have the body build and skills to achieve it.”
Watched all the test skates, interviews, and behind the scenes shot by Russian television all of yesterday. It's going to be a blood bath among ladies this season! I absolutely loved Alena Kostarnaya (I've never seen anyone float on ice in the 15 years I've been watching figure skating, if only she showed us her 3A), Sinitsina/Katsalapov (their short is extremely beautiful; and their interviews are so level headed), Morozov/Tarasov (in their interviews they sound happier and more hungry than I've ever heard them sound; they also said they spend about double the time on ice than they did in Moscow and that has contributed to their improvement, and are practicing with dancers, not pairs; they said that dancers have higher blade skills and they've seen improvement as they're trying to keep up with the best in the group; they also said they only moved across the big pond for results and sound like they have the highest of results in their mind, very serious about that). I also loved Stasya's short program (what a beautiful image she creates, and that dress!). And I got to give props to Sasha Trusova, where it's due (even if I like her skating less than other Eteri's girls and Genya) - 3 quads in one program! And she didn't even sound tired in an interview right after she got off; she was ready to go back on ice and do it all over again. That girl cracks me up, because in her interviews she is extremeley shy and coy, unless she talks about her jumps :) When asked once, what will she do if men will start jumping 5s, she answered, without skipping a beat,"jump 5s as well, of course! Who said women can't do what men can?" And for that, you got to give this kid credit :)
44:17 Russian test skates
"Nike" was the real winner of the russian test skates :P
I would agree Trusova's skating skills need improvement. But generally that's what I want skating to be - unladylike (!). Since last season, I have been hoping Sasha (with the help from her team) keeps, develops and refines her own style - athletic, 'futuristic', genderless. There's amazing potential there for 'ladies' figure skating to stop being attached to outdated stereotypes associated with feminine expression. C'mon, it's 2019.
If she starts winning everything because of her tech, her skating skills will become irrelevant.
Amen. Trusova is Fierce, Powerful and Fearless, and like Simone Biles, stronger than most of the men.
I would love to see her develop this style, tbh. In juniors, i liked how she wasn't fitting into the "princess" mold and I loved the energy she brought. but at this point the difference in skating skills is becoming really obvious. Hopefully she can take some more pages out of the mens book bc the top men in general are far outstripping the top women in skating skills, all jumping aside.
Loved this! :)
Karin Morris she is not stronger than most of the men ....
This is the weird thing for me about Alexei Mishin. Everyone talks about what an amazing coach he is, particularly on the technical front. But why is it that he ignores - removes - complicated transitions and intricate choreography when these are an essential way that skaters rack up the points (and not just the artistic score but also the technical score)? Anyone who takes the time to study Eteri's girls can see exactly this. Yes, their routines are too cluttered, but all these additions help them get the scores they need to come out on top. Elizaveta seems to be putting all her eggs into the "I have two 3A in my Free Skate" basket. Even if she lands both of them, she is going to have to have some misses from her competitors in order to medal at Russian nationals. It's a bit insane the depth in ladies' figure skating in Russia right now. Think about it: it's entirely possible (in fact, likely) that a skater doing two 3As won't even get selected to compete in the WC.
I also feel this way about Mishin. He might be an incredible technical coach, but I don't think he shows smart coaching in regards to Elizaveta or Sophia. IJS is a points system, why wouldn't he encourage racking up as many points as possible? And I love Elizaveta but I agree her programs are not up to the standard that they should be considering the depth of talent in Russia.
It's really strange that such jump specialist as Doug didn't mention anything about HUGE UR on toeloop in Haein Lee's short - which wasn't called (and if it was - Usacheva would get gold medal). It seems either he didn't want to do it due to personal bias or just didn't watch her short at all.
P.S.: also not a word about Akatieva's two 3As in her free is somewhat disappointing. Even if it's a novice level - she is still the only woman in the world now who have a quad and 3As in one program - and actually rotates all of them.
All Eter's girls did great through the test skates, there are at different level compare to others. I love SP of Sasha (Trusova) and Anna and FP of Alena ana Alina. All programs are so suitable to each of them, so stunning!!!
Ah Canadians vs Russian names - my favorite show!
PS Dave: I watch your face whenever Doug speaks because priceless.
Haha!
You did a top job keeping it together when he was talking about the badly fitting trousers in particular.
Exogenesis has always hit me as a long program - see Jeremy Abbott, '13-'14 season. To me, trying to fit that music into a 2:40 short makes the program feel rushed and abridged...
Yess, that's why i love more the program of Valieva.
I agree with that.
Jeremy>Valieva>Medvedeva
Also, does anyone win with that music? Bad Ju-Ju..
same thought here👋 the music has such a slow build up it doesnt work for a short
Yess, there was so much to unpack at the test skates and jgp.
There really was!
I was shocked by how amazing Tarasova and Morozov looked skating to Bolero. I’m impressed by the Knierims’ lifts since switching coaches. Doug likely isn’t aware, but Alexa said Chris actually forgot part of the program, which explains why they just stood there at one point. The only part I’m a bit leery of is the stop after the death spiral very early in the program. I would keep the speed going there. Other than that, the program flows well and has plenty of potential. Cain and LeDuc skated one clean program last season at US Nationals, had jump errors at every event, and are behind on the pair elements to begin with, so I don’t get the impression Alexa and Chris must land everything to win Nationals. They need to land at least some of the jumps, but I feel like we sometimes place unreal expectations on them. Sui and Han have rarely landed all the jumps and they are winning everything. Alexa and Chris should never feel pressure to have to be perfect. If the US’s aim is to merely give the National title to the pair with the fewest mistakes or the most warhorsey music, then they’re only encouraging very safe and cookie cutter pair skating that isn’t competitive on the World level anyway (not mentioning any names). Dave, I appreciate your comments and I’m on the same page with you more these days.
Hi Natalie, can you tell me where I can watch the Knierims? Thanks!
My moment of the week is Tarasova and Morozov's free. I'm blown away. I'm obsessed. Marina has transformed them. That program is awesome. They look like a new team. I can't stop watching!
Thank you guys for this! Great to see Doug again. :)
Stephanie Senerchia Charlie did a great job with the program!
@@TheSkatingLesson So amazing!!
I need to rewatch it.... if I can get past that horrid music
I love them since Rakhmaninov programm^^ Marina Zueva said she'd got technicaly a very strong and acomplished pair but they had to work with presentation and do interesting choreography)
The guys said they loved Marina's attitude and how she treated them. I think they feel that their coach needs and wants them for the first time.
Jonathan:...he looked fat!
Dave: 😦
Jonathan: I mean FAST!!!
I was going to pass out!
I almost died there 😂😂😂
Time stamp?
The big takeaway from the test skates, and what the world and especially the USFS should pay attention to, was how prepared all the Russian skaters were. They all performed at the highest level (with a few exceptions). It showed how much Russia is ready to play! It was very exciting to see.
That dress reveal was straight hunger games
I agree with Jonathan...I was enthused with the pair teams. Loved loved T/M....amazing program
M was looking very hot!
Actually the lovely Stanislava was also wearing a dress! And thanks for another excellent discussion- great stuff!
I didn't get a notification which is strange. Can't' wait. Thanks for waiting until Nadal won!
goldburnm
Yes! Thank you for waiting till after the tennis 😅
Same!!
If Jason is competitive、why not Daisuke? We fans already know why he came back. It is not about winning. His goal is to become the best performer. Not the medal. So we are happy as long as he skates.
Is Jason competitive?
@@TheSkatingLesson Yes、he got Bronz medal at 4cc last year. 😀
It really pains me to say that, but if all the Eteri girls have a good season start, then Alena seems the more likely to be cut from the Euro/World team. Alexandra/Anna will rack up too many points if they land their quads, so it’ll eventually come down to Alena vs Alina... But Alina has the lutz/loop combination and the titles/confidence. Such a shame, because Alena is just stunning
this is exactly what I am thinking, although, I still think Alena stands the chance, but this said all other Russian skaters and perhaps international at senior level are off podium.
She isn't 100% yet for one thing, and this year isn't the most crucial year. Next year will be, and by next year I'll bet she'll have the 3A back, and her total strength back. And that 3A is crucial for everyone. Rika has the 3A AND a quad and she will beat all of Eteri's girls if she hits everything.
Kitty Crumb sure, Rika would likely beat Anna, but not sure about Alexandra. I mean Sasha hits three quads including one in combination, and her triple/triple combinations are harder than Rika’s - not sure Rika’s superior artistic score would be enough to knock her off too
I think both Medvedeva's programs are beautiful, sophisticated and unique. She just needs to do more run-throughs. Among my family and friends, everyone is also fascinated by her face and eyes. Stunner.
@evan I strongly disagree with you. Medvedeva stands out like none of these ladies for me. Don't overestimate your opinion, dude.
I know for sure your opinion doesn't change the fact plenty people consider her for stunning (including these three in the video if you even listened) and you are an average looser that cannot accept other opinions.
And btw, many models are not even pretty, just skinny and tall. Evgenia is much more beautiful. My bet is she will be on television long after her sport career as a TV host, actress etc. She has charisma, hypnotic eyes, charm and is pure star material. Only losers cannot see it. They prefer plastic Barbie with nothing interesting in face at all. Just a stupid smile.
@@evanperilstein5308 You are the only one unrealistic here. Who you think you are, to assume that your opinion matters more than others? I know two things for sure. Evgenia is a gorgeous young woman and you are an idiot that probably still lives with his mom and has no perspective to get a girlfriend. Not even an average one, un ugly side. Bye, idiot.
Evan Perilstein : agree! Not pretty at all and her body doesn’t help either.
Her funs don’t observe her objectively , they adored her ...that’s why they see beauty and talent were doesn’t exist!
Jonathan’s face when Doug said “ tossing the girl like salad “😩😩😩. Love it
My moment of the week was hearing all of Doug's great comments on the show this week!
I disagree on Evgenia’s short- I really like it. The beginning is nice and she keeps good speed throughout.
Averbuch proved again he is the best choreographer for Medvedeva. I was so disappointed by her free program, both music choice and Burn choreography do not work.
@mish098aimer And that's why it feels like addition not original one. Entire program she is going up up up and suddenly in stsq she starts going down. I wonder why didn't Averbuch choreographed it himself.
I don’t know how long Evgenia’s competitive career will last but one things for sure. That girl is beautiful. My mom has said since Day 1 she looks like a Kendall Jenner. I think that girl can find success in many arenas. She’s a go getter.
Daniela Rifai : maybe only for you! Stopped being fanatic, Evgenia looks so so she in not a beauty.
Evan Perilstein 👌😂😂
Daniela Rifai : you’re are a crazy fanatic!
Who cares other people say! She is a regular girl far way to be beautiful.
I’ve seen you since The Worlds talking nonsense about your idol.
Evgenia is the most beautiful figure skater ever born. Facts.
I saw her in Skate Canada last year (I was sitting on the second row) and thought she was stunning. More than that, she had a presence on the ice that made you not want to take your eyes off her. She really commands your attention and has absolute star quality. I also thought that Liza Tuktamysheva was pretty, but she does not have the appeal and presence that Evgenia did.
The geisha aren't drama queens. They're a respectable and nuanced art that doesn't sell out their image with more modern entertainment standards, and I think the team at cricket and zhenya herself really understand that. There's many references from the film in the choreography too. I think they nailed it in the historical and cultural accuracy.
I have to watch the movie again to pick up on that. Which parts in the program referenced the movie?
Wait how does Zagitova not have a good camel spin twitter.com/zhenyastosca/status/1171542537301049345?s=21 She’s perfectly centered here
**Jonathan when he catches himself praising Zagitova ** 😮
Question.. how do you feel about me voy now? Do you still not like it? :)
You raised good points. I'm sure Raf's technique isn't for everyone, especially if we expect skaters to master it overnight. Any severe movement into a triple toe seems like it might hamper one's timing more than aid it, but that's just me. The less movement in the entry, the fewer places for something to become off. Remember Adam's huge curve into his triple axel? Certainly not the technique for most people. If the jump entry still feels foreign and needs more muscle memory, then it might be a technical issue more than a mental one. Only Alexa & Chris know, but I don't think they need drastic technical changes, more like tweaks. Chris had gotten over the popping tendencies for the most part and rotated a lot of jumps last season and now they've changed the technique again, so that takes time.
I like the suggestion of having cue words. That might be more valuable than sports psychologists. It's also important psychologically to not dwell on one element out of a 12 element pair program, so I'm doing them a disservice by only mentioning jumps. They are definitely improved overall and obviously have a lot of strong qualities that put them in good stead and make them potentially more competitive against stronger pairs. Didn't Meagan Duhamel once say she wasn't fond of the Mid Atlantic competition? The skaters should treat it as a low-key warmup event, not get worked up over mistakes. I would hope Alexa isn't that hard on herself when she falls on one jump. Find me a pair girl who never misses. She's wonderful and needs confidence. If she's nailing them in practice it will translate to competition in time.
Just curious because you didn't mention it; What did you think of Anna's short?
Clara I thought it was nice!
Also, just attended a local competition-mostly Juvenile/Intermediate ladies-wanna guess how many of these 'ladies' attempted 'cantilevers'? At least half of them. (there were some spectacular wipeouts) My prediction is the cantilever is here to stay, 'ladylike' or not.
excellent episode i really enjoyed this thankyou
joanne olsen you’re welcome!
the fs of Evgenia has same steps, transitions and things from Seimei and Hope and legacy ... a disappointment from Shae Lynn. Hanyu's programs are strong, charismatic and with a strong message. this Medvedeva program is a whim
Agree ! It's like a copy paste of those programs but boring 😬
Laura García Juárez : when she tried with Tango was the same experience: emptiness
I think I was only one, who saw in her new FS old Yuzu’s steps… Kind of disappointed too
A question to TSL: Now that ladies TES points are higher than they used to be a few years ago (especially with quadsters like Trusova), is there any chance that the ISU will adjust the factoring of the PCS scores? E.g. 0.9 in the short and 1.7 in the long?
I feel like zhenia is doing as many lutzes as she can because she needs at least one in her free and she needs to practice it under pressure, right? I mean if anything they're trying to get her to correct her edge by just having her doing it lots of times? as for her programs, I think they're better than the ones she had last season and her flow/speed seem better than last season as well. At this point I feel like she should just worry about enjoying skating and improving for herself rather than worrying about competition and winning and all that. I was so impressed with Zagitova, not only in terms of her jumps being fully rotated but she was actually allowed to hold positions and her programs weren't a complete atrocity!! she still has the hunch problem but I actually feel excited to watch her this season
Agree with everything you said!
What a disappointment for Kolyada ,,,I was hoping his troubles were behind him, because he could be the best !
On the other hand, Voronov looks to be in the best shape, ready to compete, and more elegant than I have ever seen him. Since he wasn’t mentioned in this broadcast, I just wanted to put that out there.
Also, I’m surprised the Israeli boy in Riga wasn’t mentioned ,,,,he is pure joy and talent ! Torgashev reminds me of a poor mans Adam Rippon.
Evgenia and Alina are both stunning beauties, but let’s get real, technically they are way behind the other ladies,,,,they will both struggle to make the World team after Russian Nationals.
@@evanperilstein5308 I don't think you're fare to Evgenia. Her programs have potential, they will obviously add more elements to get better points. Let's not forget how much her free program changed throughout the last season: they added 3s+3lo in the middle of the year! I think they both, Alina and Zhenya, have a chance if they are clean. However, it's unpredictable. Your point on Alina's placing second is shaky, cause there are still Liza with three 3A, Anna with 4Lutz and Alena with crazy components and overall good technique. I believe all thses ladies deserve a place at the podium, so which one would win is a case of fortune. Trusova can be the absolute champion, but let's not forget that she doesn't always perform her quads. Last year she lost to Sherbakova and Kostornay. So, we can't really predict anything.
Voronov is our only hope in men's events lol. Genuinely respect him for continuing his career and impoving with each season.
Kolyada needs a new coach, but it's not happening so his problems will never be behind him. I really expect nothing from him but beautiful skating in between all the bad jumps.
Evan Perilstein ,,Alina is very capable of disastrous skates as well.,,,not making the World podium after winning the Olympics, not making the podium at last years Russian Nationals, so we will see who steps up. One thing for sure, Russian Nationals will be the competition of the year!
TY for this..Been looking forward too it all day.
YW!
Medvedeva should change the entrance to her 3lz entrance or remove it from her programs. I have seen her doing the same entrance as Alina few seasons ago, looked way better. That entrance can hide flutzing quite well.
I loved evgenia and Vladimir’s short a looot but long was boring. Evgenia seemed more vivid but the guy is still boring. looking at Ksenia was still more exciting despite her technical errors
Btw there was a show with Tarasova, she was invited in the music show as an ‘expert’ in music. She said she has one piece that she is dreaming to make a program for pairs but she did not have a pair for that music. I have a feeling she will make that program for Stolbova, May be for Olympics if she reaches that far
YOUR comments about skating skills and the technical aspect of skating- I agree 100% however with the sexist comments you add here and there it just leaves a bad taste, your sport comments about "unladylike" element are not in place as well as comments about the skaters looks and hair (this is not miss world competition).
That was Doug, not all three of us.
"presentation" includes "packaging" a skater. Hair, costume, makeup, as well as an aesthetic created by music and style of movement...otherwise why have music playing...they could just wear black bodysuits and each attempt jumps and spins. Of course we are all going to have opinions on what we prefer to see from a skater. TSL is just expressing their opinions....I don't get why you listen if you don't want to hear their thoughts....personally I love it!!
sara jasen Feeling “woke” today, are we?
So true! Than you for that comment!
Am I the only one who loved both Evgenia’s programs?
Loved her short, think her free needs work-she also looked like she hadn't practiced her FS as much as her sp (and so was lacking on stamina)
I think they're being a bit negative overall on EM- her 2a3T was fine in practice as was her 3F, I honestly think it's a case of she needs more practice.
Also, as lovely as Alina is, her posture seriously needs addressing (and I had to watch her short on mute because the music just doesn't work in a rink in my opinion, I think it just sounds awful)
No. I love them both and think she just need to do more run-throughs. That's it.
Helena Prout : she is going to be 20, how much time does she need to improve?
@@ramitodevioletas575 I think she already has but isn't warmed up for the season yet (this doesn't apply to her flutz, as much as I adore her I can say with certainty that it will never improve, but props to her for trying anyway)
She clearly was low on stamina- in the teaser it seems like there was more to her Stsq that we haven't yet seen.
Adult ladies don't have the endless energy of 15 year olds so have to pace themselves wisely.
I think she needs more transitions in her free skate and maybe a spread eagle on the first chorus section of her SP to add more effect and wow factor.
Her SS have improved but I think it's hard to tell when she clearly hasn't rehearsed her FS that much compared to her SP. but the way in which she held those edges at the beginning of her SP is a good indicator.
I love both. For now I love the SP more than the FS, but I think as the season progresses, the FS will ripen into something really special....
Katsalapov doesn't know how to keep his shoulders down when he twizzles, which is a shame because otherwise he moves great. And yes Sinitsina looks very strong and beautiful. Both programs make them look mature. I don't know if H/D's Lady Gaga is gonna match up to Dvorak.
What's up with your obsession with the Kinerim'a?
As someone who has read and seen Memoirs of a Geisha, I loved the program. In the movie, they play that music during Chiyo's transformation from a servant to a successful Geisha. I believe Evgenia showed that from how the program developed.
micaela goitia she is Hatsumomo 😂
@@veronikpavlova 😂 I agree ! Lol
@tamar you call all people who don't adore Alina Medohyena. In fact you act like ' Zagihyena' around youtube then? Like here, she was talking about liking Evgenia's program and you insult Evgenia in reaction? Look what you say all around. It's just sick. People like you are the reason why figure skating became toxic.
@@veronikpavlova Nooo, even though Hatsumomo was evil sinister she was garceful and has captivating mysterious charm. Medvedeva is not even an ounce of her.
Chiyo is very inocente, curios, sweet and those beautiful blue eyes, very pretty.
Thanks for the quick upload Dave!! I'm surprised Doug didn't say anything about Jun Hwan Cha... should we be worried?
No, I think there was just so much to discuss this week.
Russian split jumps are not “ladylike”? Ouch. Doug makes me want to cover my ears. He could try to remember skaters names....
From many interviews from Yuna, she claimed that she asked Orser to be her coach after having some classes from him. And the fact that Javi and Yuzu stayed with Orser for years. I believe Orser can teach. The question is whether Orser is the right coach for Evgenia or whether moving to a foreign countries for a young girl is too much to handle. Either way it seems that it has been too much for Evgenia mentally to handle.
Orser’s facial expression was different from what he looked when with Javi and Yuzu.
Anyway, I wish Evgenia can overcome difficulties in her life.
Anyway the Japanese music does not fit for Evgenia. Asian music choice is also a good one, but it needs to be easy for people from different cultures to understand melody-wise. That is easy for people of different countries to follow and enjoy without knowing the story of that piece of music.
There is fan cam of Orser and Tracy reaction on Medvedeva's free skate. After the free skate it seemed like Orser was avoiding eye contact with Zhenya. Also this looks exchange they made with Tracy while Zhenya was looking down was so alarming.
Yuna and Yuzu went to Canada to train with Brian at the age of 16, Evgenia is already 19 so I don’t think it’s young age. Was very surprised Brian took Evgenia in as a student bcos she really had so much to work on and change. I do realised Brian looked extremely stressed now too, he used to be relax and happy. Agreed on the music choice, it doesn’t really suits her, she still seems better with the previous music she skated to while with Eteri.
Medvedeva spent last 1,5 month in Moscow training at CSKA rink with Buyanova and Tarasova.
If Medvedeva skates with the confidence and tech level of the test skates she’s in trouble. The short had some lovely choreography but those jumps. Liza on the other hand never looked better jump wise and imo her skating skills had improved a little.
DSQueenie : those JUMPS, Spins and her arms...OMG 😮
The world is ending Dave complimented S/K. so excited for them this season.
Allison Goldstein lol I have complimented Victoria’s improvement before!
@@TheSkatingLesson I never felt last year that you thought they deserved their placement. so we are heading in the right direction.
Allison Goldstein they’ve definitely improved since last season.
Tuktamysheva said in her interview that after 10 years she finally started to understand how to do a 3F.
Hahahahah really? We love a sassy empress
I just wanted to see if I could be the first to comment! Thank you for all your work!!!
First!
Hi Susan!!! Thanks for the nice comment - I agree!! ❤️ ⛸ 🥇
It’s 3.00am and I didn’t get a notification from your channel.......strange. Keep me company during the night here in the UK. Thanks guys.
You're very welcome!
Also, Dmitrii Kozlovskii/Aleksandra Boikova had a really great short
Miss M very strong
Even though Eteris 4 A were the strongest I think only 2 of them will end up in the worlds team. Trusova and one from Alina/Aliona. I think Rus fed will be still pushing one from medvedeva/tuktamisheva
no, I don't think this works this way, whoever shows results will go.
God, I hope not.
@@thisiswater9231 Lisa is a very strong skater, a world champion, with three triple axels in her programs. Evgenia is one of the most award-winning sportsmen Russia has with a prospect of a quad. They don't need to be pushed by anyone. They deserve to be at the podium, as all other girls do.
Don't agree they'll still be pushing Medvedeva and they've never pushed Liza. If they had to pick an artistic skater with lower tech they'll go with Alena, who will probably out PCS most people by the end of the season.
Well it had been said several times by rusfed bosses that rule is: 1st and 2nd place at nationals automatically join national team and 3rd candidate will be chosen by coaches council.
I missed the test skates 😭.. where can I watch a recap?!!
Do you mean watch the skates? I think they took them down. You can always try the message board FSVids.
Dave's face when Doug was talking about the guys pants not fitting right 🤣🤣🤣
#bless
Honestly, I don't want to get my hopes up prematurely with any Eteri boy. Adian retired early due to injury, and Skirda, who won two jgp silvers and qualified for the final his first year in juniors, got injured and has not been on the jgp last season nor this one.
sparkl121 just like the girls eteri has sum boys coming thru the levels so I’m sure he could be just as replaceable as the girls at some point luckily for him he has a few years on some of the boys in her camp just watch!!! But I hope he can start to enjoy it , it looks sad to watch so talent and he looks like it’s life or death sad ain’t it??
Dave trying hard to maintain during that pant leg discussion!💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣
oh dear!
Polina edmunds thoughts?
That was fast!
Dave nooooo, I disagree! Memoirs of a Geisha has GORGEOUS music !!
Evan Perilstein : She should return to Russia 🇷🇺 it’s a wats of time and money.
I wish you would have said more about Daisuke! I miss him too!
marianne Fuenmayor love him!
Timestamps for Haein/JGP?
Gosh Guys, perhaps in 10 years, the men will be wearing sequins and chiffon skirts, and the ladies will be wearing pants or unitards. I'm thinking even the un'ladylike' skaters may just have the last laugh.
Been waiting all day for this. I agree with Dave about the Koreans. They’re on the upswing. ❤️ Russian Polish Girl! She has a personality. Doug Haw is the expert. He sat behind me at 2016 Worlds. Awesome experience!
Alexandra Sydlar 🌟🌟🌟
When will you change the intro ? We need something new
When we have good footage of new programs.
The pre-season predictions are fun and make for a great conversation while we wait for the first senior event, but I am only inclined to believe the predictions of the person(s) who predicted last season that the European Champion was going to be Sofia Samodurova.
This year's European champion will be Konstantinova :-)
Who predicted that ?!
@@artemisadelaluna9901 My point is that nobody did :)
How come you haven't even noticed in JGP Anastasiia Arkhipova who was brilliant in short program, severely underscored due belonging to wrong federation and then was frozen to death by that interruption and had major meltdown in the free?
@Spirals & Sequins Not this season JGP though. I was really heartbroken there
I could not hold my tears when she was sobbing after her FS 😭
Too fast, too furious Dave! Loving the quick uploads!
annushka0113 you’re very welcome!
I 2nd that very much I could literally hear you goin for bout another 2hours if not more 🌟🌟🌟🔟🔟🔟🔟🔟 across the board!!!
Are these test skates scored and ranked? Can't find it anywhere.
Karl O they were not.
Nope. All Russian technical experts were there, and then they give feedback to the skaters.
TheSkatingLesson was o
"unladylike?" what century are we in?
In that century where Trusova jump-machine will win all the competitions and beautiful and expressive skaters like Zagitova and Kostornaya wouldn't even get into the world team because - TES
Maybe the ISU could just allow 4 Russian ladies at worlds... maybe they could just do that for us.
Chris knierem is very nice, he is very shy but a good teacher and motivator
Yay! Doug Haw is baaaack!
Steve D
TRUSOVA has amazing skating skills, which is typical for Team Tutberidze, what I've noticed is Tutberidze choreograph the strong female hero archetype on the Trusova because she's the least fragile skater team Tutberidze ever had to date. Sherbacova quick change dress is a good gag but would like a different design for Grand Prix season or worlds.
She have amazing skating skills and it will not change
even if you will write 10000 coments she bad! You are usual hater and your comments confirm it
I have to disagree with you about Medvedeva's Geisha program. I think the music is beautiful & cutted smartly, the choreo is great too. If you felt that it's not good enough or not pleasing, it may be because she hasn't done enough run throughs, as she said, and this was also what I thought when I saw the video for the first time. I'm not saying that she is going to be much better in this season but imo there's no problem with the program. If you don't like it, it's because she's not fit enough yet, but she has developed a lot. Imo she has speed now that no other Russian girl has.
@B. Exactly, I was amazed by the progression she made in just 1 and a half months!