It must suck to have a trianglutory judgment on you,your company etc. I like his videos, especially the breaking the unbreakable deck videos! Give him a break, his videos are entertaining!
I've always gotten that creepy youth group religious vibe from Braille's videos, but kind of assumed it was because they were more kid-friendly. Finding out that he's a scientologist explains _a lot._
I know exactly what you mean and I get the same vibe from DK Oldies channel and I've always wondered if that guy was a scientologist or I'm just imagining it
I got the opportunity to skate on the Braille channel at the end of September in 2022. I basically played the “girl” card bc they claimed they were looking for a female to add to the channel. Which ultimately seemed to be more of a lie than a truth. I cannot speak into Aaron bc wasn’t there although I was under the impression he would be, (in fact when I emailed him after the fact he had no idea that I was coming organization there seems to be quite poor) I can say that all the other guys were extremely nice and kind. When I asked questions or brought up ideas of improvement I could see in their eyes and timid answers that they didn’t have much choice in most matters. That being said I wish the best for Braille, would definitely visit again if asked, and still hope one day they add a woman to their squad.
There was cloey i think was her name, the girl with the wig, then rickys snowboard girfriend, than there was dan corgins girlfiend hayley isaac, and there is uzi
@@IchDuForeverExplorering none of those people were actually part of the team. Not that I think it really matters, this is Aarons baby, with Gabe as the Nanny..... noone else in Braile has any say you can see that from the way they act, they are litterally just "at work" more and more recently noone looks like they are enjoying anything at all
Two important things to mention are the skateboarding boom in 2020 due to Covid and the inevitable leveling out shortly after when everyone realizes how difficult skateboarding really is. This no doubt plays into the channel's parallel boom and leveling out. Maybe equally as important is RUclips's introduction of and intense focus on Shorts, which have left many RUclips channels with sharp decreases in their long-form content views and watch time as the platform rewards shorter, bite size content.
Andy scrhrock just posted a video saying that for the first time ever, Revive is actually going to have to downsize. This might be the first time he publicly mentioned the brand going sideways Could be an interesting video topic
Dude people can react to your video as long as they are adding their own thoughts/opinions. Its not stealing your video, it's reacting to your thoughts. This is what happens when you talk about controversial topics - I can give you a thousand examples of this. Be happy people are reacting to and watching your content
Besides Lance, there were other skaters who left as well, like Chris and Mogely. I believe Aaron didnt want to pay enough to keep them, as both their contracts were ending and up for renegotiation when they left. Its hard to watch Aaron give away $750k to Scientology, but not want to pay his employees squat.
It's disgusting.. anyone mentally ill enough to support that weird cult, has no business interacting with children. that little boy JD has no business around aaron. And the rest of the team needs to get some self respect and leave.
Yes scientology is crazy. But ask DumbData why he flagged Ricky Glasers response to this video and got it taken down? He wont let anyone question this vid. Which is very scientology of him
@Yungweedle Who you ask ? He has 28 million views on how to kick flip video. So I assume a great deal of people who watched that . Let's say only 0.1 per cent of people watching that video , followed it, and learnt from it . That's 28 thousand people . Remember, back then, you didn't have video walk throughs .
@@itisjustacommentit's not a good kickflip tho. So if you have shitty kickflips, and you teach people how to kickflip, what are you actually achieving?
Absolutely 100% agree with both of you. Scientology is so sketchy creepy... They'll ruin lives without hesitation to keep their status quoe. Had a homie that went to Narcanon. And if you don't know what that is, look it up. He told me the full detailed experience there. More info than you'll ever find online about those places. They prey on the vulnerable in very mind warping ways just to gain followers. If you oppose them when you're there, they'll make your own family think you're a liar, push you to a mental breakdown and then convince the world your crazy by sending you off to a psych ward. That way anything you say about them after that can forever be discredited because now you're crazy and it's on paper. After hearing his story, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if Scientology is involved with human trafficking. The worst part is they have hella power, resources and can actually be smart af about the way they run things. It's for sure 100% a twisted cult and not at all an actual religion. If there is a hell, there's a special place in it just for the POSs that are at the top of it all
I Miss the days when they would find the kid with the most fucked shit in the skatepark and hooked them up with a new set of wheels, a deck, or a pair of shoes for doing a trick.
Lance was hugely influential to the channel. he was the average man among all the skaters. for non or new skating viewers, he was like the same level friend people could relate to. i remember his personal skate progress videos were pretty great. but yeah just became a content mill and weird controversies with some of the guys that put me off and i stopped watching several years ago
they forgot Lance's videos for sure this video is cool anyway I think Braille will do just fine in the future and RUclips has changed lots since 2016 so I think they are not promoted that much as before
@@lmclrainits just part of youtube. theres highs and lows. i think alot of people maybe not just braille but alot of youtubers thought things would stay level after Covid times but people dont have as much free time as they did back then when people were exploring things to do
Yeah, Lance leaving was a big one for me, and I wasn't really a skateboarding fan anyway, I just enjoyed the shenanigans content, which started getting a bit stale. I feel like a lot of the good ideas were already done at that point. I also think some other things also just FELT wrong, e.g. They were originally filming the YMIWSI vids at public skateparks, and they got so popular at one point the young kids kept ruining the videos, they got a warehouse and built their own indoor park to continue making content without interruptions. At first I liked it because those kids were annoying AF, but soon after, It was almost like a big F U to the fans like, "were too good for public skateparks now." at least that's how it felt for me.
I wanna agree with you, but there will ALWAYS be that guy in +20 years that will dedicate their life to document EVERYTHING some shitty brand made bc they were the first something in they life or something
That's arguable at best, he's technically an internet historian by uploading this, and it's literally just a loose joke. It's a common joke phrase when documenting things that only matter superficially.
Also can we please acknowledge that the title of 5his channel is Dumb Data? Like you get that's the point right? It's a documentary channel of things that don't "matter". That's the ENTIRE joke.
as someone who watched braille back in 2015-2018 i can say fully that one of the biggest reasons people stopped watching the braille channel was due to the departure of Lance. Lance was easily one of the biggest reasons the common person who wasnt good at skate boarding or someone who didnt even know how to skateboard could connect to the channel as Lance was someone who was learning along with the rest of us. Lance's dynamic with Aaron was easily the highlight of the braille channel along with the wacky ideas they came up with. Lances departure made the channel feel like it was missing something. Gabe who then filled in the position of camera man never really filled the shoes left behind by lance and for that reason, I personally stopped watching the braille skateboarding channel all together. Of course there were others who left aswell such as Chris and Mogely and Nigel which did ultimately kill the original fanbase on braille
Gabe tried and that's cool but he's no Lance. I stopped watching after Lance didn't realize at the time he had an effect on me watching. He was like the average guy learning to skate. Plus he was the only one I was personally better then not that it matters. It showed me that skill doesn't matter because you find the right group of skaters/friends skateboarding is a great time for everybody.
@@dubzack344 fr. Lance was like the anchor for the channel. While people did crazy ass tricks and stunts, there would always be short sections where lance would do a trick that seemed so normalized like an Ollie or a kick flip and everyone would freak out. It felt good watching him progress. The channel lost a bit part of itself when he left.
I stopped watching Braille the second I found out he was a scientologist. I'm not going to help fund that violent cult. Miscavige is an absolute monster, and the same goes for Tom Cruise. Plenty of other skate channels out there worth watching.
As someone who watched alot of Skateboarding youtube, the reason why 23 has sucked for them is they havent had anyone go to their skatepark like in years past. They lost 2 employee's this year that people liked. Plus all the Skaters now are getting a bit older outside of JD so they dont push the limits on doing jackass'ish things.
naw, they had good content after Carlos left, though he was awesoe. This last year though has been a huge bummer no doubt. They need to bring others in to skate, not just skate cheap boards and crazy made ones. The one that recently did with that women was the content they need. Not just because she's female, but bringing on others to stake their park.@@MrJSheppy16
Lance left for the scientology reasons apparently. Aaron wasn't paying the braille members adequately because of his huge donations to scientology. This is also why members keep leaving including Mogley. He hinted that he wasn't getting paid enough in his goodbye video. and its because of Aarons mishandling of the channels money, a large portion of which goes to scientology. which isn't fair to all the members of the team. This is just the rumors in the LA area with some influencers close to the situations. this among MANY other rumors and drama involving Aaron. which is why he has now stepped back from the videos. at least that's part of the word going around among the creator community in LA that is closely related to braille including people who have been featured on the channel.
I was going to say like love them or hate them they’ve made more money skating than most of the real board companies and pros. I’ll tell you if I was offered a like real solid paycheck to skate that park daily and film dumb videos I would take it. Same with most core dudes. Skating all day for money beats a regular job anyway. That said if they aren’t getting paid dick and most the moneys headed to Scientology that’s fucked.
@@nickrizzi8109 Yeah im not claiming to know the facts 100% BUT there is a consistent pattern of the members leaving all for the same reasons (money) maybe they aren't making enough to pay well now, but that's clearly because Aaron has donated so much to scientology. after this many years they should have Millions in savings by now. and im pretty connected with the Skatin scene in cali and know quite a few ppl who have filmed with braille and have been close to the interworking of the company and they all say that same thing. money seems to be the issue. then again, these are just rumors and nobody can truly know.
Ill say this about Braille... Ive been skating since 1995. just for fun but always kept tabs on who is who and what companies stuck around. Until last year, I had NEVER heard of Braille or Aaron Kyro. and Ive been on YT since they started and Ive posted some vids when I was in high school circa 2006. I will say though, he had some skillssss when he was younger.
this is some of the most disappointing shit ive ever read. giving money to a church over skating..no matter the church is the most non skater thing ive ever heard
it's the same for a lot of channels. it starts with a bunch of friends having fun doing silly things but then it becomes a business and they just do it like a work without passion.
This is exactly right, and it happens with full budget TV shows too. Something random, usually quirky, clicks with people and they get fans. Then the analytics take over and they try to hone in on what people like. Then all their content becomes homogenized, repetitive, and stagnant. It seems logical and democratic to creators to find what people like and deliver it, but what people really want is creativity, variety, and fresh ideas. This is especially true if you're relying on gimmicks like skating novel skateboards and goofy games. I watched Braille very briefly and somehow never saw the progression of a skater content. The skating weird skateboards content was entertaining for about a week, then I went back to watching pros do amazing stuff which never gets repetitive or stagnant because it's the high end of content quality. Honestly I'm shocked they ever had mainstream level success. It's pretty easy to say they could have pushed for much higher quality, per Dumb Data's triangle, with that approximately $1,000,000 that went to the cult.
dude, this. it's sad how the internet kills friendships :( I wish we could help kids better understand that money can never substitute for true friendships. like it's better to keep those and never pay attention to the money, even if it comes in big.
Honestly I feel it all went downhill the moment they left the outdoor parks and went to the braille house indoor park. Like there is literally never anyone really there, it's the same few staff members and an empty park when it used to be lively videos at a park with tons of people just in the background having fun.
I dont agree obviously them going to the park and skating on an ordinary board was more interesting to watch but the Braille house was a natural good progression with many good videos like remember when they shot a tree through the roof that was lit
I agree I used to watch the channel when they had Doug the crazy white guy, lance, and the short Hispanic kid. After a while they moved to the braille house it felt dead, people left and Aaron seemed uninterested in the content most videos.
Was bound to happen eventually. With the scientology thing and also imagine coming up with 7 ideas a day like Gabe does and the other guys dont really help. Lost a lot of good characters along the way, not just Lance, also Doug, Fetty, Carlos, McNug, Mo etc. The energy used to be higher and they would just have fun with videos. They have an entire skatepark which they hardly ever use to its potential. Not as much actual skating, no custom ramp builds anymore, no floor is lava. The guys left are still cool but does seem like sometimes they dont try in videos or dont want to do them. Probably because the ideas are worse than ever. Maybe they should upload less but come up with better ideas. Weird boards and flat ground games of skate get boring af. Just my thoughts.
I finally stopped watching because of the effort dynamic. You're totally right that Gabe is trying super hard, and then you have dudes who can't pry their eyes away from the phone long enough to be in the video. I like all of the guys who skate for them, but it's just uncomfortable to watch sometimes when you can tell that some of them really don't want to be there.
i think braille was bound to this downfall sooner or later. every cool idea with a skateboard was already done by them and all they can do now is add a little variance to it or do the same video that once went viral and hope for the best. literally what else can you do at this point. i think what they're doing now is correct: accept the downfall and make sure the community that's still there is not gonna go away as well. i feel like they now care about their audience - they're reading and responding to all the comments and actually listen to them, like gabe finally stopped yelling, Aaron started to show up more often etc
Brail peaked in 2016, either millions of bots or millions of kids and maybe their parents watched their videos, and a few years later they just stoped @@xaphan8581
u realize the past two years they have had they biggest impact on skateboarding maybe since the channel started. with JDs comp stuff, the Tetris collaboration, Doin Red Bulls Flutag. Hosting a Dew Tour Comp on the channel. Braille doing Multi State Tour with the All Terrain Tour. of course the videos gonna take a hit they was putting in real work in the streets
Braille went downhill when they started their own skatepark. Their og videos were way more entertaining at the parks riding crazy boards and playing silly games of skate and add on. Funny thing is in their prime Kyro used to be on a billboard for Scientology out here in Clearwater FL.
Bro is crying on RUclips about leaving his wharehouse because he can’t afford it. BRO IS RICH he has one of the biggest RUclips channels and books and series he sells and clothes and boards the list goes on there’s no way he can’t afford rent I think he’s just stingey and that’s why everyone is leaving he’s to cheap to pay his employees good
“My space is so big and so clean, and my flows are wide open. I got rid of messes that had been in my space for trillions of years. I truly uncovered my basic goodness and rightness as a being” - Aaron Kyro, upon diverting enough 10-year-olds’ parents’ money to his cult that he earned a cult social ranking of “L-10”
Not going defend him wasting money on that cult, but if it makes it any better I assume the vast majority of their income is from ad revenue on the channel. It's not that kids are paying per video, the massive faceless business is paying him because of how many kids are showing up (and then he is dumping that money into the flaming dumpster than scientology).
I started skateboarding kind of late in life, when I was 22. This was in 2016. I subscribed mostly for the videos with Lance. They were superb. Lance was a person I could relate too, i.e. an older dude, who's just learning how to skate. When he quit the channel quickly degraded into dumb monotonous videos for 12 y.o. kids. Certainly it wasn't appealing to an adult person. So I unsubscribed in circa 2018. And the whole scientology situation was part of the reason, too. So no wonder the channel went downhill at some point.
When you allocate a gigantic percentage of Braille's content income to your own personal belief in Scientology, it's bound to go bad. Lance, McNug, Mogley, and a couple aren't very far behind partially because they weren't getting paid enough, and I'm sure they became privy to Aaron's "donations" to the Church of Scientology. I've always been weary of Braille, but more so Aaron. It just seems like the perfect scenario to groom young people with a hidden agenda. Once the younger guys grew up, they realized what was going on and jumped ship.
I started watching Braille videos about 2 years ago and wasn't a fan of Aron, but all the skaters on the team seemed fun. Then I saw JD and that little dude is awesome and I can't wait to see him in the Olympics this summer
I first subbed around 2015 and Aaron didn't both me at first but eventually he started to get on my nerves. Over the years I've found myself less likely to click if he was in the thumbnail. There's just something annoying about him. The rest of the crew has always been pretty likeable though
Your presentation aligns with the presumptive illusion of competency; however your core data does not reflect the merger of the two industries, one being skateboarding and the other, social media, or rather self publication. The addition of Ricky Glaser and JD Sanchez has been outstanding to the quality of skateboarding purity. Consensus would be that Aaron Kyro maybe metaphorically burnt out, and has neglected to reinvest both financially and strategically in his staff and outstanding initial achievements; perhaps Scientology may stimulate a new extension of his initial vision.
@@coreystack5655 I think their filming schedule gives a bad impression, recording so much in one day means that half the videos will be done while already exhausted. Everyone has to take a break to go sit for a bit sometimes, it's just that in his case most of those moments end up getting filmed to pad out uploads where other people are taking the focus. When it's his turn to actually put in effort he does some really great work too though.
It's funny how you say his controversy was "unavoidable" but as someone who only really watched the big videos that got recommended, I never knew about any of the controversy. Learning about his scientology connection is a major turn off.
I wonder if Kyro hadn't donated so much money to Scientology, and instead put it into the business & it's employees, if it could have been huge - in the same fashion as something like Barstool which was started from nothing, by a few friends. Now Braille is all but done, and the real winner was the "Church" of Scientology...
This is interesting to me, since I only found the channel (or really started watching much of youtube, really) in 2020...for obvious reasons. Some of the team and guests I like, and some I don't. Sad to see some skaters go, I don't dislike Gabe the way most of the commenters here do, but I still watch the videos and usually enjoy them...literally clicked on this after watching the latest! Watching them inspired me to start learning last year (at the age of 45). I had considered buying my next board from them instead of my local, as a thank you/support of folks that got me into it. Though I have to say the Scientology thing definitely gives me pause. Anyway, rambling, good data dive here!
No mention of Fetty getting busted for being a pedo.. Might be reaching here, but Scientology doesn’t exactly have a good track record with that type of thing either.
I don't think filming almost everything in a private skatepark helps them bring in new viewers either. Some of the earlier videos were so successful because beginners wanting to get into skating could see how much fun you can have with your friends and meeting other people at your local skate park, or even just filming learning new tricks together in an empty parking lot. 99.9% of people, especially beginners, don't have access to a private park and it isn't an experience they can can relate to. Sure, it works for brands like Primitive, because their target audience is more experienced, core skaters who want to see super tech tricks on a.perfect indoor park ledge or whatever. I just don't think it works for the audience Braille is trying to appeal to.
i totally agree. I started skating in 2020 and I really liked those videos. The braille house is cool but I can't relate to those videos. Having poor access to good skateparks made me lean towards freestyle and Andy anderson's videos as I can relate more and try tricks myself
I just got into skating at age 42 last year, and Braille was my go-to YT channel for learning how to skateboard. After learning about Aaron's ties to Scientology, I've started to become very leery of Aaron and Braille, in general. I've also noticed that he's in like ZERO of the main channel's videos, and has been MIA for quite a minute now.
Hoe is it to skate at 42. I am 40 and I was a skater from 13 to 27. I always wanted to come back someday when I felt ready. Is it safe how is it. I am scared that is old.
@@Ajunkdrawerchanneli dont think a 40 year old man cares about his style, they care about having fun and feeling young again. Its like starting cycling again yeah as a retired bike racer i can tell how long have you been sitting on a bike but why care if people are enjoying themselves, it doesnt affect me that a 50 year old has a 10 grand race ready bike so why care about whats he doing with his free time
@@Ajunkdrawerchannel its fine man just think a second before posting a hatefull/mean coment if it really needs to be said out loud or if its something to just think about and keep in your head. Like even if you think something is stupid but someone really enjoys it, just let them do then if it doesnt affect you personally
I've noticed once again that AK has disappeared once again out of know where. When nugget left I knew more people would leave. I havnt seen Ricky really at all either
@@wybuchowyukomendant I was speaking more about their content release schedule and format style. If you have an issue with the connection to Scientology, then yes you are right, there is nothing to be done. Highly doubtful Aaron will drop his beliefs just to appease RUclips subscribers.
For me, the biggest problem that Braile currently has is the quality of the video editing. The episodes are too long and boring. This may sound a little strange, but that's not why I watched Braille to watch someone ride a board for 90% of a 30-minute episode. I watched them for the people who participated in it. That's why the Skate Everything Wars series was my favorite. You could spend time with these guys and the riding itself was limited to a few minutes at the end of the episode, or series where they tried completely new things like the drift bike episodes where it was all about having fun. Currently, the editing of episodes is a disaster. Times have changed and no one wants to watch 30-minute episodes on YT, where most of the time it's "boring" and the people appearing in the episode behave as if they were recording to complete the task, not to have fun. Besides, these are also no longer the same people as before, the lineup has changed a lot in a short period and the current Braille has little in common with the one from 2016, although I think that even with a changed team with better scripting and editing it would still be possible to make this channel something better.
The last video I watched was titled something like kickflip on a board with 50 risers, and it was like 15 minutes into the video before the actual kickflip, and I just had no desire to watch 15 minutes of filler just to watch the one interesting thing I wanted to see.
Floor is lava, skatepark tours, worst board, those are my favorite kind of videos. Trying to kickflip something for 10 minutes, having a kickflip off, these are the boring ones I skip
Very detailed, I loved their skate everything series when it started. You should analyze AndrewSchrock from Revive skateboarding because the skating industry is following a downward trend.
Reality is, his channel helped a lot of beginner skaters. Good for kids. Thing is, skating has always been a subculture of rebels and outlaws. Obviously I don't think skate culture has to be vulgar, violent or negative, but without a doubt, skate culture at its core has edge. Braille was for kids and as result, always super corny. It should have just stayed in its lane. A company and RUclips channel for kids learning to skate.
Losing Fetty and Carlos were big hits to the channel as they were heavily featured in "learning to skate" videos and were the most relatable personalities on the channel. Lance was the main filmer and producer, so there was a big style shift in the videos after he left.
Yeah I was thinking this, earlier I watched the full length penny board video and Gabe could barely even get anyone to ride it, whereas you know in the past Carlos would have been taking it down the 5 stair and Lance would have made everyone have a game of skate on it while making goofy jokes throughout.
@@mgibuk Bro........ the Carlos Era was PEAK I cannot lie, I love all the skaters on this channel but brahh..... there was a really obvious time when things were constantly fire and high energy not just for the sake of high energy but becayse people were actually fired up!
tbf fetty kind of had to go because of stuff outside of work. This video missed a hell of a lot of controversial stuff. I do miss the old braille though. The turnover in members kind of lost my interest in sticking with the channel. Now I may watch the odd video but it really doesn't have the same substance and value they used to.
I used to watch braille sometimes and i know it helped a few of my dudes to skate but as soon as Gabe Cruz took over the channel i would never watch Braille again. I just simply dont like him or trust him 🤷 dudes not even a skateboarder
All that may be, but in like '18-ish i was a homeless heroin addict. Aron, chris, and all the braille dudes were at the fremont park. They let me borrow a board, skate for like ten minutes, and didnt look down on me or treat me as anything but a fellow skater. It meant a lot then and now.
@lasagnahog7695 No, I'm giving my account. How I was treated, if only once, by this man and his company. All religions are wack, and money changes everything. It IS what you do when nobody's looking. Rephrase that, he was cool %100 of the time we interacted.
i stopped watching about the time fetty got kicked for the shit he got accused of. no idea if it was ever true but for me that was when it really started going downhill and repetitive. also at the time carlos was starting to be the new star and he had negative personality. it was hard to watch honestly
Also there’s lots of evidence to support that Aaron was just a dick irl. Apparently in one of those mentioned “glass skateboard videos” after Kyro and his crew were done filming breaking multiple glass skateboards in a public skate park one of the locals who was also at the park had to confront Aaron because they wouldn’t clean up all the broken glass. And so to my knowledge a group of locals had to sit there and watch Aaron to make sure he cleaned up the broken glass😂
Skateboarding used to be so punk rock... You don't have to be partying, doing drugs, and drinking... But you don't also have to be the "Disney channel" of skateboarding. Pew pew shots fired!
Same thing happened to surfing too, actually the same thing happened to punk too, the current punk scene represents the complete opposite of what it used to and most of them mirror the same views as every corporation, institution, celebrity, media, and political party in power
@@loochnikon-oc5dj I think a lot of people would thoroughly disagree... Before skateboarding became the "hipster scene" with rap music... it was the "punk rock scene". You're probably too young to remember. Being a skateboarder was like being an outlaw... Skateparks were always watched by the police... Some skateparks got shut down even because of all the "tom foolery". Bunch of no good punks with their punk rock music...
So he’s giving away money to science . And asking the public for money . Yeah I’m definitely done with bro . Can’t believe I felt bad for him losing the brail house.
So you really had Ricky take down a video for "stealing your content" when 100% of your content is made up of stolen videos that you don't get permission to use?
A few things: 1. Ricky seems like a chill guy 2. Unfortunately I recall Ricky's video being a big nothingburger - he pulled an XQC and made very little commentary about anything, I honestly felt that I just rewatched Dumb Data's video again. Like 90% of the video was Ricky's blank face in the corner. 3. Re: stealing videos - it's disingenuous to compare Ricky's "React Andy" to Dumb Data, and Dumb Data's audits and statistics he creates. One is "press record and sit down for 30 minutes" the other takes tons of work to accomplish. I don't agree/disagree with takedowns, but let's be real one is significantly more tasteful than the other.
@@tomf.cruise7464 Dude Dumb Datas entire video was a nothing burger he just said "Brailles views have gone down along with other skateboarding youtubers and also Aaron is a scientologist" if ricky cut out sections it looks like he's ducking touchy subjects not cutting stuff out is what pretty much every response video on youtube does. Its not disengenous at all to compare the two dumb data literally stole brailles footage to badmouth them by cries when someone whos part of braille reacts. XQC walks away mid video and comes back halfway through if anyones being disengenous its you for acting like thats the same as a response video to someone calling out your friends and stealing your footage to do it then crying that you stole their stolen footage
@@Alex-eg6lx Bro come on. If you think this video can be reduced to a single sentence, then IDK what to tell you. Dumb Data obviously went through some real interesting statistics regarding Braille's top videos, lifetime performance, events that Braille had that lined up with interesting math, etc. Like, I get it, if you think math and statistics is boring, stupid and nerdy, then maybe this is not the video for you. There's just no way these 2 vids are comparable. > " if ricky cut out sections it looks like he's ducking touchy subjects not cutting stuff out is what pretty much every response video on youtube does", bro the WHOLE VIDEO is a touchy subject for ricky lmao, this is his employer, he will absolutely not talk real shit. If you're going to be staring at the video like 90% of the time, just don't make it, this applies to every other terrible youtube reaction video, no skin off my nose if those video are eligible to be taken down > "dumb data literally stole brailles footage" - ok first and foremost, yes this is legal if you are actually using footage to enhance commentary (not being a crutch). All I am saying is that Ricky's video just provided very little substance, it was boring. If he actually talked more, or cut down the video in sections and added commentary on those sections, I'd be on your side. > "Its not disengenous at all to compare the two" - there's absolutely no world in which this is the case dude. One is sitting on your ass *silently*, the other is goddamn data gathering 6k videos for like 18 years and drawing fairly likely conclusions? > "XQC walks away mid video and comes back halfway through" and sits silently doing nothing > "if anyones being disengenous its you for acting like thats the same as a response video to someone calling out your friends and stealing your footage" - ricky's was a response video of someone calling out his friends? If I'm not mistaken, he was completely silent on the xenu section, Braille scandals, etc. boring. if you remove the "stealing footage" from this video, it would be an alright video, it's not a crutch at all; if you remove the "stealing footage" from ricky's video, there would be absolutely no video whatsoever. Does that make sense? Like idk don't repost the whole entire video again.
@@tomf.cruise7464 Lmao youre definitely dumb data on an alt account. You just proved my point the whole video is a touchy subject so cutting parts out looks sus also i saw the original and it wasn't 90% silent and seeing his face and his reaction is part of the video. Honestly what do you want him to do talk over whats being said in the video for reaction videos you're supposed to be quiet while it plays and then talk about the points that stand out which is what he did. Taking footage without permisson for b roll is 100% not legal. If that's the case why don't i just download the new Starwars movie add some data on top and sell my own copies? People assume its legal because fair use laws are vague but if it ever came down to proving it in court 99% of youtubers including you would lose the case. Fair use is meant for news orgs commenting on small sections of video not youtubers getting free b roll. Remember when you made that entire video dedicated to gifted hater? If he was actually money hungry like you said and uploaded the section of his VOD where he was talking about you, then your video would have completely ruined the point of viewers watching his video since you played the entire thing. Your whole braille video was drawing likely conclusions thats how i was able to sum it up into an entire sentence all you did was crunch some numbers to use as filler content to get a higher ad rate. The fact that youre still saying walking away mid video is the same as watching the video and waiting for the parts that stand out is 100% disengenuous Also he wasn't silent on the scientology thing he just didnt break down every micro point like you to milk ad revenue If you remove stealing footage from your video it doesnt exist at all because no one is going to watch an excel spreadsheet for 30 minutes. The amount of cope here is insane
21:30 Ngl I did get less interested in Braille when Lance left. Lance felt the most relatable at the time when I was trying to skate and he was genuinely funny.
@@dirkcreates no, from someone who worked there and saw Carlos and how he was around the kids during the skate school days. Fetty was just a dirty stoner.
I would say it's clear that Scientology played some role in the success of the channel. Since I found out about it years ago, I stopped viewing them all together. This was around the time Fetty and Carlos left. Their quality went way down the drain since then. A lot of their current subs must also be legacy subs from years ago. If you have 6 million subs and not hitting 1 million views a video, you are clearly not understanding your audience.
I knew about it but didn’t know how deep it went (Aaron likely donating HUGE amounts to the cult even recently). I really jumped the fuck off board when “Fetty Potter” also known as JASON SEMMEL was fired due to having relations with a 14 year old minor. … All while Braille was doing in-house skate lessons and skate parties with minors and children in their building. CREEEEEPY
Don’t get me wrong… I have watched there videos a lot, not so much recently. And let me say this… Aaron Kyro is an absolute weirdo. He gives off this goofy silly energy but he is actually a very scary individual
The fact that Aaron Kyro is a scientologist was a massive deal breaker. i already got weird vibes from the dude once his channel stared getting bigger past the original tutorial videos, but i had a bad feeling that it went deeper than that on a more insidious level. when i learned he was a scientologist a few years back i was like "i knew it! i knew something was wrong with that guy!". It makes me sad knowing how much money he gets from kids who buy stuff from his site and that a large portion of that goes to scientology. dude has brainwashed these kids and their parents into funding a super abusive and creepy cult.
I'm pretty sure that Steve Berra is too. As well as Jason Lee. I'm pretty sure a large portion of the skateboard industry is run by occultists. Just look at the symbology in logos and graphics. It's super obvious with Thrasher. Rob Dyrdek definitley gives off freemasonic vibes. It sucks that these weirdos have to ruin everything in our culture. It's all about contolling and influencing the masses to these freaks.
@@erikreber3695 Like what? Tell me how I am wrong. Thrasher is filled with satanic/occult imagery every month. They push drug and alcohol use constantly. Learn about the occult and the symbols they use, you will see it everwhere around you, especially in huge corporations. Look at the symbolism they use for the Berrics. It's right in your face if you have the eyes to see. There is a reason people like Dyrdek and Bam blow up and achieve fame and fortune. They chose the dark side, magick is real. Look at what has happened to Bam since he sold his soul. Look at what happens with anyone that gets involved with the occult, like Aleister Crowley. Eventually their lives take very dark turns. Look at most celebrities and famous musicians. Many openly admit they took the faustian bargain.
@@slowb15 That was after his channel blew up. He claimed to be on multiple teams before that. Find me one piece of media or otherwise where any of those companies even acknowledged his existence.
As a hardcore Scientologist who absolutely knows all the ins and outs of the cult, from the Xenu story at OT3 level, to the truly horrific death of Lisa McPherson, to brutal policies such as disconnection, Aaron Kyro is an incredibly dangerous individual. If you reach OT3 and STILL believe everything you're being told, you're either completely brainwashed or know it's all bullshit but you've put so much money and time in to it, you have no choice but to carry on. This man should NOT be around children. Aaron considers anyone not a Scientologist to be a "Suppressive Person" and does not view the world like normal human beings. He got lucky with skateboarding but his is ABSOLUTELY using it to fund a dangerous cult.
Its to normie and pc now, its not really inline with skate culture and its roots,l. Its skateboarding for your mom. They still do some good stuff though
It must suck to have a trianglutory judgment on you,your company etc. I like his videos, especially the breaking the unbreakable deck videos! Give him a break, his videos are entertaining!
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I've always gotten that creepy youth group religious vibe from Braille's videos, but kind of assumed it was because they were more kid-friendly. Finding out that he's a scientologist explains _a lot._
Glad im not the only one who saw that. Very Sus
Right?? My thoughts exactly. This dude gave me an awful vibe the moment I saw him. Just a gross feeling.
Yeah I hope nothing comes out down the road from kids who have grown up. 😔
I know exactly what you mean and I get the same vibe from DK Oldies channel and I've always wondered if that guy was a scientologist or I'm just imagining it
I think a couple kids came out saying some of the employees did sus shit to them
I feel we need a 5-10 minute update based on the bast 7 months since this video uploaded
Done
I got the opportunity to skate on the Braille channel at the end of September in 2022. I basically played the “girl” card bc they claimed they were looking for a female to add to the channel. Which ultimately seemed to be more of a lie than a truth. I cannot speak into Aaron bc wasn’t there although I was under the impression he would be, (in fact when I emailed him after the fact he had no idea that I was coming organization there seems to be quite poor) I can say that all the other guys were extremely nice and kind. When I asked questions or brought up ideas of improvement I could see in their eyes and timid answers that they didn’t have much choice in most matters. That being said I wish the best for Braille, would definitely visit again if asked, and still hope one day they add a woman to their squad.
They definitely need a woman on there squad, had a female in a recent video maybe she’ll get added to the squad
There was cloey i think was her name, the girl with the wig, then rickys snowboard girfriend, than there was dan corgins girlfiend hayley isaac, and there is uzi
@@IchDuForeverExplorering none of those people were actually part of the team. Not that I think it really matters, this is Aarons baby, with Gabe as the Nanny..... noone else in Braile has any say you can see that from the way they act, they are litterally just "at work" more and more recently noone looks like they are enjoying anything at all
@@IchDuForeverExploreringlol can’t forget uzi
@@IchDuForeverExplorering Gabe is much more of a female than Uzi is
Two important things to mention are the skateboarding boom in 2020 due to Covid and the inevitable leveling out shortly after when everyone realizes how difficult skateboarding really is. This no doubt plays into the channel's parallel boom and leveling out. Maybe equally as important is RUclips's introduction of and intense focus on Shorts, which have left many RUclips channels with sharp decreases in their long-form content views and watch time as the platform rewards shorter, bite size content.
Shout out Carlos Lastra. He looked so exhausted at his end with braille
Andy scrhrock just posted a video saying that for the first time ever, Revive is actually going to have to downsize. This might be the first time he publicly mentioned the brand going sideways
Could be an interesting video topic
Dude people can react to your video as long as they are adding their own thoughts/opinions. Its not stealing your video, it's reacting to your thoughts. This is what happens when you talk about controversial topics - I can give you a thousand examples of this. Be happy people are reacting to and watching your content
no one cares
Besides Lance, there were other skaters who left as well, like Chris and Mogely. I believe Aaron didnt want to pay enough to keep them, as both their contracts were ending and up for renegotiation when they left. Its hard to watch Aaron give away $750k to Scientology, but not want to pay his employees squat.
Chris likes to comment shat on pizzeria live streams now
@@IchDuForeverExplorering hey what now? what do you mean? Ive been waiting to hear from him
@@IchDuForeverExplorering wat
It's disgusting.. anyone mentally ill enough to support that weird cult, has no business interacting with children. that little boy JD has no business around aaron. And the rest of the team needs to get some self respect and leave.
Yes scientology is crazy. But ask DumbData why he flagged Ricky Glasers response to this video and got it taken down? He wont let anyone question this vid. Which is very scientology of him
“Fast food type videos” nailed it when it comes to braille videos
Love him or hate him, but Aaron Kyro, the professional skateboarder from the San Francisco Bay area, has taught lots of people how to skate.
True
Ok
Who
@Yungweedle Who you ask ? He has 28 million views on how to kick flip video. So I assume a great deal of people who watched that .
Let's say only 0.1 per cent of people watching that video , followed it, and learnt from it . That's 28 thousand people .
Remember, back then, you didn't have video walk throughs .
@@itisjustacommentit's not a good kickflip tho. So if you have shitty kickflips, and you teach people how to kickflip, what are you actually achieving?
Being a Scientologist is a huge red flag. He’s never gonna do anything for the right reasons it’ll always be to make money for Scientology
Yea the whole shits a cult, really weird shit completely changes my look on him.
Absolutely 100% agree with both of you. Scientology is so sketchy creepy... They'll ruin lives without hesitation to keep their status quoe. Had a homie that went to Narcanon. And if you don't know what that is, look it up. He told me the full detailed experience there. More info than you'll ever find online about those places. They prey on the vulnerable in very mind warping ways just to gain followers. If you oppose them when you're there, they'll make your own family think you're a liar, push you to a mental breakdown and then convince the world your crazy by sending you off to a psych ward. That way anything you say about them after that can forever be discredited because now you're crazy and it's on paper. After hearing his story, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if Scientology is involved with human trafficking. The worst part is they have hella power, resources and can actually be smart af about the way they run things. It's for sure 100% a twisted cult and not at all an actual religion. If there is a hell, there's a special place in it just for the POSs that are at the top of it all
True. It sucks to know I supported the church of scientology in any way.
thank you for saving me 25 minutes of my time
No way. I'm unsubbing right now.
I Miss the days when they would find the kid with the most fucked shit in the skatepark and hooked them up with a new set of wheels, a deck, or a pair of shoes for doing a trick.
That 2016-17 era
This aged well
Even more so in the last few days O.O
He saw this video and decided to rug it.
I’m just now learning about him what else did he do
Yeah, Scientology will often lead to the downfall of everyone.
Besides Tom Cruise, he's like to Xenu
Hey don't say Xenu!@@imaverageatgamesbutimostly3431
@@imaverageatgamesbutimostly3431lol
Still, I have a lingering feeling that the church might've put a small finger on the scales for him, at least for a while.
He actually could be Xenu himself.
Lance was hugely influential to the channel. he was the average man among all the skaters. for non or new skating viewers, he was like the same level friend people could relate to. i remember his personal skate progress videos were pretty great.
but yeah just became a content mill and weird controversies with some of the guys that put me off and i stopped watching several years ago
they forgot Lance's videos for sure
this video is cool anyway
I think Braille will do just fine in the future
and RUclips has changed lots since 2016
so I think they are not promoted that much as before
@@lmclrainits just part of youtube. theres highs and lows. i think alot of people maybe not just braille but alot of youtubers thought things would stay level after Covid times but people dont have as much free time as they did back then when people were exploring things to do
Lance was from N*Sync right?
Lance was also their video editor at first, then he started appearing on camera. Video quality sort of decreased after he left.
Yeah, Lance leaving was a big one for me, and I wasn't really a skateboarding fan anyway, I just enjoyed the shenanigans content, which started getting a bit stale. I feel like a lot of the good ideas were already done at that point.
I also think some other things also just FELT wrong, e.g. They were originally filming the YMIWSI vids at public skateparks, and they got so popular at one point the young kids kept ruining the videos, they got a warehouse and built their own indoor park to continue making content without interruptions. At first I liked it because those kids were annoying AF, but soon after, It was almost like a big F U to the fans like, "were too good for public skateparks now." at least that's how it felt for me.
"Historians will argue..." 😂 bro there's no Historians arguing over braille 😂😂😂
I wanna agree with you, but there will ALWAYS be that guy in +20 years that will dedicate their life to document EVERYTHING some shitty brand made bc they were the first something in they life or something
Yah what a cringe statement
That's arguable at best, he's technically an internet historian by uploading this, and it's literally just a loose joke. It's a common joke phrase when documenting things that only matter superficially.
Also can we please acknowledge that the title of 5his channel is Dumb Data? Like you get that's the point right? It's a documentary channel of things that don't "matter". That's the ENTIRE joke.
@@Kihidokid k
as someone who watched braille back in 2015-2018 i can say fully that one of the biggest reasons people stopped watching the braille channel was due to the departure of Lance. Lance was easily one of the biggest reasons the common person who wasnt good at skate boarding or someone who didnt even know how to skateboard could connect to the channel as Lance was someone who was learning along with the rest of us. Lance's dynamic with Aaron was easily the highlight of the braille channel along with the wacky ideas they came up with. Lances departure made the channel feel like it was missing something. Gabe who then filled in the position of camera man never really filled the shoes left behind by lance and for that reason, I personally stopped watching the braille skateboarding channel all together. Of course there were others who left aswell such as Chris and Mogely and Nigel which did ultimately kill the original fanbase on braille
Lance was my Guy while I did still check in with the channel over time I stopped regularly watching because it became obnoxious
He was also the most stoned RUclipsr around that time! legend
Gabe tried and that's cool but he's no Lance. I stopped watching after Lance didn't realize at the time he had an effect on me watching. He was like the average guy learning to skate. Plus he was the only one I was personally better then not that it matters. It showed me that skill doesn't matter because you find the right group of skaters/friends skateboarding is a great time for everybody.
@@dubzack344 fr. Lance was like the anchor for the channel. While people did crazy ass tricks and stunts, there would always be short sections where lance would do a trick that seemed so normalized like an Ollie or a kick flip and everyone would freak out. It felt good watching him progress. The channel lost a bit part of itself when he left.
Then Fetty turned out to be a pedo
I stopped watching Braille the second I found out he was a scientologist. I'm not going to help fund that violent cult. Miscavige is an absolute monster, and the same goes for Tom Cruise.
Plenty of other skate channels out there worth watching.
Hi im aron kyro, a cult leader from the san Francisco bay area!
As someone who watched alot of Skateboarding youtube, the reason why 23 has sucked for them is they havent had anyone go to their skatepark like in years past. They lost 2 employee's this year that people liked. Plus all the Skaters now are getting a bit older outside of JD so they dont push the limits on doing jackass'ish things.
who did they loose?
Mowgli and Chris@@cannibalisticzombie6663
@@cannibalisticzombie6663 McNugget and Mowgli. And that's also after losing Carlos the year before.
@CleverTricksGames this was the death null.
naw, they had good content after Carlos left, though he was awesoe. This last year though has been a huge bummer no doubt. They need to bring others in to skate, not just skate cheap boards and crazy made ones. The one that recently did with that women was the content they need. Not just because she's female, but bringing on others to stake their park.@@MrJSheppy16
Lance left for the scientology reasons apparently. Aaron wasn't paying the braille members adequately because of his huge donations to scientology. This is also why members keep leaving including Mogley. He hinted that he wasn't getting paid enough in his goodbye video. and its because of Aarons mishandling of the channels money, a large portion of which goes to scientology. which isn't fair to all the members of the team. This is just the rumors in the LA area with some influencers close to the situations. this among MANY other rumors and drama involving Aaron. which is why he has now stepped back from the videos. at least that's part of the word going around among the creator community in LA that is closely related to braille including people who have been featured on the channel.
I was going to say like love them or hate them they’ve made more money skating than most of the real board companies and pros. I’ll tell you if I was offered a like real solid paycheck to skate that park daily and film dumb videos I would take it. Same with most core dudes. Skating all day for money beats a regular job anyway. That said if they aren’t getting paid dick and most the moneys headed to Scientology that’s fucked.
@@nickrizzi8109 Yeah im not claiming to know the facts 100% BUT there is a consistent pattern of the members leaving all for the same reasons (money) maybe they aren't making enough to pay well now, but that's clearly because Aaron has donated so much to scientology. after this many years they should have Millions in savings by now. and im pretty connected with the Skatin scene in cali and know quite a few ppl who have filmed with braille and have been close to the interworking of the company and they all say that same thing. money seems to be the issue. then again, these are just rumors and nobody can truly know.
Sadly not one part of that was shocking. After they couldn’t even get new wood for their ramps I figured Xenu was getting paid.
Ill say this about Braille... Ive been skating since 1995. just for fun but always kept tabs on who is who and what companies stuck around. Until last year, I had NEVER heard of Braille or Aaron Kyro. and Ive been on YT since they started and Ive posted some vids when I was in high school circa 2006. I will say though, he had some skillssss when he was younger.
this is some of the most disappointing shit ive ever read. giving money to a church over skating..no matter the church is the most non skater thing ive ever heard
it's the same for a lot of channels. it starts with a bunch of friends having fun doing silly things but then it becomes a business and they just do it like a work without passion.
This is exactly right, and it happens with full budget TV shows too. Something random, usually quirky, clicks with people and they get fans. Then the analytics take over and they try to hone in on what people like. Then all their content becomes homogenized, repetitive, and stagnant. It seems logical and democratic to creators to find what people like and deliver it, but what people really want is creativity, variety, and fresh ideas. This is especially true if you're relying on gimmicks like skating novel skateboards and goofy games. I watched Braille very briefly and somehow never saw the progression of a skater content. The skating weird skateboards content was entertaining for about a week, then I went back to watching pros do amazing stuff which never gets repetitive or stagnant because it's the high end of content quality. Honestly I'm shocked they ever had mainstream level success. It's pretty easy to say they could have pushed for much higher quality, per Dumb Data's triangle, with that approximately $1,000,000 that went to the cult.
Yeah just look at true detective
dude, this. it's sad how the internet kills friendships :( I wish we could help kids better understand that money can never substitute for true friendships. like it's better to keep those and never pay attention to the money, even if it comes in big.
Honestly I feel it all went downhill the moment they left the outdoor parks and went to the braille house indoor park. Like there is literally never anyone really there, it's the same few staff members and an empty park when it used to be lively videos at a park with tons of people just in the background having fun.
When whats his name left. I honestly can't remember his name. But, once he left, it all went down hill.
Lance, he just said it in the video. 😂
I dont agree obviously them going to the park and skating on an ordinary board was more interesting to watch but the Braille house was a natural good progression with many good videos like remember when they shot a tree through the roof that was lit
I agree I used to watch the channel when they had Doug the crazy white guy, lance, and the short Hispanic kid. After a while they moved to the braille house it felt dead, people left and Aaron seemed uninterested in the content most videos.
@mikea9929 them and Garrett Ginner and John Hill. Thats how I started watching Garrett and John. Except I still watch both of them but not Braille.
This was prophetic
Aaron always seemed like a bit of a kook but damn getting deep into scientology is sad
Needs an update...
He looks like a scientologist lmao. I used to watch him and always thought this.
it’s the eyes right?
Was bound to happen eventually. With the scientology thing and also imagine coming up with 7 ideas a day like Gabe does and the other guys dont really help. Lost a lot of good characters along the way, not just Lance, also Doug, Fetty, Carlos, McNug, Mo etc. The energy used to be higher and they would just have fun with videos. They have an entire skatepark which they hardly ever use to its potential. Not as much actual skating, no custom ramp builds anymore, no floor is lava. The guys left are still cool but does seem like sometimes they dont try in videos or dont want to do them. Probably because the ideas are worse than ever. Maybe they should upload less but come up with better ideas. Weird boards and flat ground games of skate get boring af.
Just my thoughts.
It went downhill when they let fetty go.
@@shanebreezy4453 but Fetty AKA Jason Semmel is a creeper.
I finally stopped watching because of the effort dynamic. You're totally right that Gabe is trying super hard, and then you have dudes who can't pry their eyes away from the phone long enough to be in the video. I like all of the guys who skate for them, but it's just uncomfortable to watch sometimes when you can tell that some of them really don't want to be there.
@@_t_f_ nah that's what they want you to think
@@shanebreezy4453 I mean that’s a pretty 🤡 thing to say but sure, buddy.
i think braille was bound to this downfall sooner or later. every cool idea with a skateboard was already done by them and all they can do now is add a little variance to it or do the same video that once went viral and hope for the best. literally what else can you do at this point. i think what they're doing now is correct: accept the downfall and make sure the community that's still there is not gonna go away as well. i feel like they now care about their audience - they're reading and responding to all the comments and actually listen to them, like gabe finally stopped yelling, Aaron started to show up more often etc
Yeah circus boards, and guests only last for so long
That and braille peaked towards Covid. Once people were able to go outside again they had another huge drop
Brail peaked in 2016, either millions of bots or millions of kids and maybe their parents watched their videos, and a few years later they just stoped @@xaphan8581
@@xaphan8581based on this video, they peaked in 2016 really. They were already in the downfall during covid19.
u realize the past two years they have had they biggest impact on skateboarding maybe since the channel started. with JDs comp stuff, the Tetris collaboration, Doin Red Bulls Flutag. Hosting a Dew Tour Comp on the channel. Braille doing Multi State Tour with the All Terrain Tour. of course the videos gonna take a hit they was putting in real work in the streets
Braille went downhill when they started their own skatepark. Their og videos were way more entertaining at the parks riding crazy boards and playing silly games of skate and add on. Funny thing is in their prime Kyro used to be on a billboard for Scientology out here in Clearwater FL.
Who cares if he’s into Scientology it’s America your allowed to practice what ever religion you want . It’s blown way out of proportion
ok tom cruise@@thebayharborbutcher9115
It's not a religion it's a cult you kook@@thebayharborbutcher9115
@@thebayharborbutcher9115 Tell that to the victims
@@thebayharborbutcher9115 so how much did u donate to them
Bro is crying on RUclips about leaving his wharehouse because he can’t afford it. BRO IS RICH he has one of the biggest RUclips channels and books and series he sells and clothes and boards the list goes on there’s no way he can’t afford rent I think he’s just stingey and that’s why everyone is leaving he’s to cheap to pay his employees good
“My space is so big and so clean, and my flows are wide open.
I got rid of messes that had been in my space for trillions of years.
I truly uncovered my basic goodness and rightness as a being”
- Aaron Kyro, upon diverting enough 10-year-olds’ parents’ money to his cult that he earned a cult social ranking of “L-10”
Thanks to southpark we can truely understand how fugged up Aaron is for paying his youtube money to his L ron cult
Not going defend him wasting money on that cult, but if it makes it any better I assume the vast majority of their income is from ad revenue on the channel. It's not that kids are paying per video, the massive faceless business is paying him because of how many kids are showing up (and then he is dumping that money into the flaming dumpster than scientology).
I noticed this, too. But that's part of why this joke worked lol.@@TheSquareOnes
He's certainly taking an L alright
@@ChildrenOfDesire lol he’s reached L level 10 :)
might want to remake that one again downfall is even bigger
I started skateboarding kind of late in life, when I was 22. This was in 2016. I subscribed mostly for the videos with Lance. They were superb. Lance was a person I could relate too, i.e. an older dude, who's just learning how to skate. When he quit the channel quickly degraded into dumb monotonous videos for 12 y.o. kids. Certainly it wasn't appealing to an adult person. So I unsubscribed in circa 2018. And the whole scientology situation was part of the reason, too. So no wonder the channel went downhill at some point.
It all went downhill after Lance left and Gabe started getting camera time
100% this.
The whole Fetty situation surely didn't help either.
Gabe is laterally the only reason why i don't watch them anymore lol
Lance was the star!
EXACTLY Gabe is the reason for the downfall
When you allocate a gigantic percentage of Braille's content income to your own personal belief in Scientology, it's bound to go bad. Lance, McNug, Mogley, and a couple aren't very far behind partially because they weren't getting paid enough, and I'm sure they became privy to Aaron's "donations" to the Church of Scientology. I've always been weary of Braille, but more so Aaron. It just seems like the perfect scenario to groom young people with a hidden agenda. Once the younger guys grew up, they realized what was going on and jumped ship.
I agree. Once I saw all the Scientology stuff I never viewed the channel the same.
Both aaron and lance were stologists. Most of them were, in fact.
Proof?@@spankyjeffro5320
Oh dang, I just looked it up. He is. Wow.@@spankyjeffro5320
Who else other than Aaron and Lance can you confirm have taken scientology courses?
Imagine someone getting "into" scientology after the South Park episode aired? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cannot tell if serious.
When I realized he was a Scientologist is when I stopped watching Braille. I’ll never forget his video on their channel. Absolutely wild
And today braille is over done and he alienated his best partners.
I started watching Braille videos about 2 years ago and wasn't a fan of Aron, but all the skaters on the team seemed fun. Then I saw JD and that little dude is awesome and I can't wait to see him in the Olympics this summer
I first subbed around 2015 and Aaron didn't both me at first but eventually he started to get on my nerves. Over the years I've found myself less likely to click if he was in the thumbnail. There's just something annoying about him. The rest of the crew has always been pretty likeable though
Kids, never follow a cult.
Good vid my dawg
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Your presentation aligns with the presumptive illusion of competency; however your core data does not reflect the merger of the two industries, one being skateboarding and the other, social media, or rather self publication. The addition of Ricky Glaser and JD Sanchez has been outstanding to the quality of skateboarding purity.
Consensus would be that Aaron Kyro maybe metaphorically burnt out, and has neglected to reinvest both financially and strategically in his staff and outstanding initial achievements; perhaps Scientology may stimulate a new extension of his initial vision.
people stopped watching and unsubscribed to braille when they found out aaron is a scientologist
And two of his former employees are alleged creeps, never to be mentioned to his fanbase of mostly children 🤮
That’s why I stopped for damn sure
@@DontSlamCoke who are those employees?
@@keysersoze7919fetty potter(found inocent by police) and carlos lastra(investigation pending)
Why don’t yall have that same energy towards ✡️? Lol
Also all the best skaters are gone from the channel, Chris Mcnug, Mogely etc.
Carlos!!!
Why is uzi still around lol, I think he's to lazy to care what's up
What happened to mcnug? No one ever mentioned why he left.
Fetty
@@coreystack5655 I think their filming schedule gives a bad impression, recording so much in one day means that half the videos will be done while already exhausted. Everyone has to take a break to go sit for a bit sometimes, it's just that in his case most of those moments end up getting filmed to pad out uploads where other people are taking the focus. When it's his turn to actually put in effort he does some really great work too though.
It's funny how you say his controversy was "unavoidable" but as someone who only really watched the big videos that got recommended, I never knew about any of the controversy. Learning about his scientology connection is a major turn off.
I think he meant unavoidable as in like he can't avoid talking about it.
@@PumperKrickelfair point
I wonder if Kyro hadn't donated so much money to Scientology, and instead put it into the business & it's employees, if it could have been huge - in the same fashion as something like Barstool which was started from nothing, by a few friends. Now Braille is all but done, and the real winner was the "Church" of Scientology...
Missed opportunity to introduce Aaron Kyro as a sponsored skateboarder from the San Francisco Bay Area.
I'm pretty sure that was the joke.
He’s a religious nut that screwed his crew. End of story
This is interesting to me, since I only found the channel (or really started watching much of youtube, really) in 2020...for obvious reasons. Some of the team and guests I like, and some I don't. Sad to see some skaters go, I don't dislike Gabe the way most of the commenters here do, but I still watch the videos and usually enjoy them...literally clicked on this after watching the latest! Watching them inspired me to start learning last year (at the age of 45). I had considered buying my next board from them instead of my local, as a thank you/support of folks that got me into it. Though I have to say the Scientology thing definitely gives me pause.
Anyway, rambling, good data dive here!
yea gabe is one of my 3 fav
No mention of Fetty getting busted for being a pedo.. Might be reaching here, but Scientology doesn’t exactly have a good track record with that type of thing either.
Numerous scandals is why they lost their core fandom.
“Fetty Potter” AKA Jason Semmel CREEPER MAN.
facts lol
Neither do Juice in their tunnels under new york lol
the people who so easily call others pedos, usually be the one jacking it to the snl hoggwarts skit
I don't think filming almost everything in a private skatepark helps them bring in new viewers either. Some of the earlier videos were so successful because beginners wanting to get into skating could see how much fun you can have with your friends and meeting other people at your local skate park, or even just filming learning new tricks together in an empty parking lot.
99.9% of people, especially beginners, don't have access to a private park and it isn't an experience they can can relate to. Sure, it works for brands like Primitive, because their target audience is more experienced, core skaters who want to see super tech tricks on a.perfect indoor park ledge or whatever. I just don't think it works for the audience Braille is trying to appeal to.
i totally agree. I started skating in 2020 and I really liked those videos. The braille house is cool but I can't relate to those videos. Having poor access to good skateparks made me lean towards freestyle and Andy anderson's videos as I can relate more and try tricks myself
you should do another video plz!!!!! we would all like to know what actually happened in recent events
$750k+ to Scientology but skaters making less than minimum wage.
I just got into skating at age 42 last year, and Braille was my go-to YT channel for learning how to skateboard. After learning about Aaron's ties to Scientology, I've started to become very leery of Aaron and Braille, in general. I've also noticed that he's in like ZERO of the main channel's videos, and has been MIA for quite a minute now.
Hoe is it to skate at 42. I am 40 and I was a skater from 13 to 27. I always wanted to come back someday when I felt ready. Is it safe how is it. I am scared that is old.
@@Ajunkdrawerchannelnah i don’t fw this comment, uplift your fellow humans, don’t punch down
@@Ajunkdrawerchanneli dont think a 40 year old man cares about his style, they care about having fun and feeling young again. Its like starting cycling again yeah as a retired bike racer i can tell how long have you been sitting on a bike but why care if people are enjoying themselves, it doesnt affect me that a 50 year old has a 10 grand race ready bike so why care about whats he doing with his free time
@@Ajunkdrawerchannel its fine man just think a second before posting a hatefull/mean coment if it really needs to be said out loud or if its something to just think about and keep in your head. Like even if you think something is stupid but someone really enjoys it, just let them do then if it doesnt affect you personally
I've noticed once again that AK has disappeared once again out of know where. When nugget left I knew more people would leave. I havnt seen Ricky really at all either
Companies pay thousands for audits like this. Braille would be wise to use this "free" analysis to their advantage.
I don't think they're worried. 😅
@LovelyBassGuitar-uw2yc Based on those numbers and YoY decline, they probably should be
And do what, quit scientology? They can`t improve their situation, period.
@@wybuchowyukomendant I was speaking more about their content release schedule and format style. If you have an issue with the connection to Scientology, then yes you are right, there is nothing to be done. Highly doubtful Aaron will drop his beliefs just to appease RUclips subscribers.
@@Cthooligan There's a fatal flaw in the numbers. They constantly increase as people discover older episodes.
Was, was the largest.
Eventually justice prevails and the truth is out.
This video hits even harder now....
bro forgot to mention the fetty potter situation!!!
For me, the biggest problem that Braile currently has is the quality of the video editing. The episodes are too long and boring. This may sound a little strange, but that's not why I watched Braille to watch someone ride a board for 90% of a 30-minute episode. I watched them for the people who participated in it. That's why the Skate Everything Wars series was my favorite. You could spend time with these guys and the riding itself was limited to a few minutes at the end of the episode, or series where they tried completely new things like the drift bike episodes where it was all about having fun. Currently, the editing of episodes is a disaster. Times have changed and no one wants to watch 30-minute episodes on YT, where most of the time it's "boring" and the people appearing in the episode behave as if they were recording to complete the task, not to have fun.
Besides, these are also no longer the same people as before, the lineup has changed a lot in a short period and the current Braille has little in common with the one from 2016, although I think that even with a changed team with better scripting and editing it would still be possible to make this channel something better.
The last video I watched was titled something like kickflip on a board with 50 risers, and it was like 15 minutes into the video before the actual kickflip, and I just had no desire to watch 15 minutes of filler just to watch the one interesting thing I wanted to see.
Floor is lava, skatepark tours, worst board, those are my favorite kind of videos. Trying to kickflip something for 10 minutes, having a kickflip off, these are the boring ones I skip
Check out Edi Edison's skate RUclips channel!!! He's based on Denver you may like his stuff
Very detailed, I loved their skate everything series when it started.
You should analyze AndrewSchrock from Revive skateboarding because the skating industry is following a downward trend.
in hindsight this video put the nail in the coffin
bc their content did not advance and grow with their audience.
you can't. same with every youtuber growing big. can't please them all.
its not about pleasing all tho. @@phibu7517
Reality is, his channel helped a lot of beginner skaters. Good for kids. Thing is, skating has always been a subculture of rebels and outlaws. Obviously I don't think skate culture has to be vulgar, violent or negative, but without a doubt, skate culture at its core has edge. Braille was for kids and as result, always super corny. It should have just stayed in its lane. A company and RUclips channel for kids learning to skate.
Losing Fetty and Carlos were big hits to the channel as they were heavily featured in "learning to skate" videos and were the most relatable personalities on the channel. Lance was the main filmer and producer, so there was a big style shift in the videos after he left.
Fetty AKA Jason Semmel is a creeper.
yeah and then lets not forget Mogely and Chris
Yeah I was thinking this, earlier I watched the full length penny board video and Gabe could barely even get anyone to ride it, whereas you know in the past Carlos would have been taking it down the 5 stair and Lance would have made everyone have a game of skate on it while making goofy jokes throughout.
@@mgibuk Bro........ the Carlos Era was PEAK I cannot lie, I love all the skaters on this channel but brahh..... there was a really obvious time when things were constantly fire and high energy not just for the sake of high energy but becayse people were actually fired up!
tbf fetty kind of had to go because of stuff outside of work. This video missed a hell of a lot of controversial stuff. I do miss the old braille though. The turnover in members kind of lost my interest in sticking with the channel. Now I may watch the odd video but it really doesn't have the same substance and value they used to.
I used to watch braille sometimes and i know it helped a few of my dudes to skate but as soon as Gabe Cruz took over the channel i would never watch Braille again. I just simply dont like him or trust him 🤷 dudes not even a skateboarder
This hits too hard after all the recent stuff
your summary is lacking and you never actually get to the REASON for their fall. lots of numbers, little substance.
It was cute and all when it started with revive and all that but the guy is a kook
When I saw how fake he was after Lance left, I had suspicions about him. He kinda looks like a psycho, come to think of it
Lance is also a Scientologist.
All that may be, but in like '18-ish i was a homeless heroin addict. Aron, chris, and all the braille dudes were at the fremont park. They let me borrow a board, skate for like ten minutes, and didnt look down on me or treat me as anything but a fellow skater. It meant a lot then and now.
"He was nice one time" is a hell of an endorsement...
@lasagnahog7695 No, I'm giving my account. How I was treated, if only once, by this man and his company. All religions are wack, and money changes everything. It IS what you do when nobody's looking. Rephrase that, he was cool %100 of the time we interacted.
@@lasagnahog7695 Wow. He helped someone. He was kind and caring when no one was looking. What an asshole, right?!
i stopped watching about the time fetty got kicked for the shit he got accused of. no idea if it was ever true but for me that was when it really started going downhill and repetitive. also at the time carlos was starting to be the new star and he had negative personality. it was hard to watch honestly
Also there’s lots of evidence to support that Aaron was just a dick irl. Apparently in one of those mentioned “glass skateboard videos” after Kyro and his crew were done filming breaking multiple glass skateboards in a public skate park one of the locals who was also at the park had to confront Aaron because they wouldn’t clean up all the broken glass. And so to my knowledge a group of locals had to sit there and watch Aaron to make sure he cleaned up the broken glass😂
what evidence? just curious
feels great knowing the money I used on a skateboard possibly went to the church of scientology.... honestly pathetic.
Skateboarding used to be so punk rock... You don't have to be partying, doing drugs, and drinking... But you don't also have to be the "Disney channel" of skateboarding.
Pew pew shots fired!
Same thing happened to surfing too, actually the same thing happened to punk too, the current punk scene represents the complete opposite of what it used to and most of them mirror the same views as every corporation, institution, celebrity, media, and political party in power
It was never "punk"
@@loochnikon-oc5dj I think a lot of people would thoroughly disagree... Before skateboarding became the "hipster scene" with rap music... it was the "punk rock scene". You're probably too young to remember. Being a skateboarder was like being an outlaw... Skateparks were always watched by the police... Some skateparks got shut down even because of all the "tom foolery". Bunch of no good punks with their punk rock music...
Now Aaron is blocking the team on Instagram. He blocked Nigel and Ricky.
So he’s giving away money to science . And asking the public for money . Yeah I’m definitely done with bro . Can’t believe I felt bad for him losing the brail house.
I stopped watching because of the shady dealing with scientology
So you really had Ricky take down a video for "stealing your content" when 100% of your content is made up of stolen videos that you don't get permission to use?
A few things:
1. Ricky seems like a chill guy
2. Unfortunately I recall Ricky's video being a big nothingburger - he pulled an XQC and made very little commentary about anything, I honestly felt that I just rewatched Dumb Data's video again. Like 90% of the video was Ricky's blank face in the corner.
3. Re: stealing videos - it's disingenuous to compare Ricky's "React Andy" to Dumb Data, and Dumb Data's audits and statistics he creates. One is "press record and sit down for 30 minutes" the other takes tons of work to accomplish. I don't agree/disagree with takedowns, but let's be real one is significantly more tasteful than the other.
@@tomf.cruise7464 Dude Dumb Datas entire video was a nothing burger he just said "Brailles views have gone down along with other skateboarding youtubers and also Aaron is a scientologist" if ricky cut out sections it looks like he's ducking touchy subjects not cutting stuff out is what pretty much every response video on youtube does. Its not disengenous at all to compare the two dumb data literally stole brailles footage to badmouth them by cries when someone whos part of braille reacts. XQC walks away mid video and comes back halfway through if anyones being disengenous its you for acting like thats the same as a response video to someone calling out your friends and stealing your footage to do it then crying that you stole their stolen footage
@@Alex-eg6lx Bro come on. If you think this video can be reduced to a single sentence, then IDK what to tell you. Dumb Data obviously went through some real interesting statistics regarding Braille's top videos, lifetime performance, events that Braille had that lined up with interesting math, etc. Like, I get it, if you think math and statistics is boring, stupid and nerdy, then maybe this is not the video for you. There's just no way these 2 vids are comparable.
> " if ricky cut out sections it looks like he's ducking touchy subjects not cutting stuff out is what pretty much every response video on youtube does", bro the WHOLE VIDEO is a touchy subject for ricky lmao, this is his employer, he will absolutely not talk real shit. If you're going to be staring at the video like 90% of the time, just don't make it, this applies to every other terrible youtube reaction video, no skin off my nose if those video are eligible to be taken down
> "dumb data literally stole brailles footage" - ok first and foremost, yes this is legal if you are actually using footage to enhance commentary (not being a crutch). All I am saying is that Ricky's video just provided very little substance, it was boring. If he actually talked more, or cut down the video in sections and added commentary on those sections, I'd be on your side.
> "Its not disengenous at all to compare the two" - there's absolutely no world in which this is the case dude. One is sitting on your ass *silently*, the other is goddamn data gathering 6k videos for like 18 years and drawing fairly likely conclusions?
> "XQC walks away mid video and comes back halfway through" and sits silently doing nothing
> "if anyones being disengenous its you for acting like thats the same as a response video to someone calling out your friends and stealing your footage" - ricky's was a response video of someone calling out his friends? If I'm not mistaken, he was completely silent on the xenu section, Braille scandals, etc. boring.
if you remove the "stealing footage" from this video, it would be an alright video, it's not a crutch at all; if you remove the "stealing footage" from ricky's video, there would be absolutely no video whatsoever. Does that make sense? Like idk don't repost the whole entire video again.
@@tomf.cruise7464 Lmao youre definitely dumb data on an alt account.
You just proved my point the whole video is a touchy subject so cutting parts out looks sus also i saw the original and it wasn't 90% silent and seeing his face and his reaction is part of the video. Honestly what do you want him to do talk over whats being said in the video for reaction videos you're supposed to be quiet while it plays and then talk about the points that stand out which is what he did.
Taking footage without permisson for b roll is 100% not legal. If that's the case why don't i just download the new Starwars movie add some data on top and sell my own copies? People assume its legal because fair use laws are vague but if it ever came down to proving it in court 99% of youtubers including you would lose the case. Fair use is meant for news orgs commenting on small sections of video not youtubers getting free b roll. Remember when you made that entire video dedicated to gifted hater? If he was actually money hungry like you said and uploaded the section of his VOD where he was talking about you, then your video would have completely ruined the point of viewers watching his video since you played the entire thing.
Your whole braille video was drawing likely conclusions thats how i was able to sum it up into an entire sentence all you did was crunch some numbers to use as filler content to get a higher ad rate.
The fact that youre still saying walking away mid video is the same as watching the video and waiting for the parts that stand out is 100% disengenuous
Also he wasn't silent on the scientology thing he just didnt break down every micro point like you to milk ad revenue
If you remove stealing footage from your video it doesnt exist at all because no one is going to watch an excel spreadsheet for 30 minutes. The amount of cope here is insane
@@tomf.cruise7464 Lol keep deleting my comments because you know youre wrong
21:30 Ngl I did get less interested in Braille when Lance left. Lance felt the most relatable at the time when I was trying to skate and he was genuinely funny.
Carlos also caused for drama by being a pedo according to insiders.
You mean Fetty
@@dirkcreates no, from someone who worked there and saw Carlos and how he was around the kids during the skate school days.
Fetty was just a dirty stoner.
@@Jason_Bacon “Fetty Potter” JASON SEMMEL 100% certified creeper.
I never saw it from Carlos tho, so idk.
@@Jason_Bacon was unaware of Carlos but it’s known fetty was caught with a 14 year old girl. Look it up
Think you mean Fetty
damn, i always used to watch braille to improve
Funding Scientology is objectively bad.
Its weird the connection with skateboarding and Scientology. Jason Lee is also a Scientologist...coincidence?
Seems like an update is in order
I'm going to start a glass skateboarding channel.
I would say it's clear that Scientology played some role in the success of the channel. Since I found out about it years ago, I stopped viewing them all together. This was around the time Fetty and Carlos left. Their quality went way down the drain since then. A lot of their current subs must also be legacy subs from years ago. If you have 6 million subs and not hitting 1 million views a video, you are clearly not understanding your audience.
Yup, I also stopped watching when Carlos left. End of an era.
did he get got by the Scientologists? last upload since 3 months
I don't know about anybody else, buu I stopped wayching Braille stuff because of the Scientology link.
I knew about it but didn’t know how deep it went (Aaron likely donating HUGE amounts to the cult even recently).
I really jumped the fuck off board when “Fetty Potter” also known as JASON SEMMEL was fired due to having relations with a 14 year old minor.
… All while Braille was doing in-house skate lessons and skate parties with minors and children in their building. CREEEEEPY
When Fetty and Carlos was on the channel those were the good days.
Yup!
Fetty potter 😪
both are pedos
Don’t get me wrong… I have watched there videos a lot, not so much recently. And let me say this… Aaron Kyro is an absolute weirdo. He gives off this goofy silly energy but he is actually a very scary individual
dude seems like a kiddy toucher
I thinks I saw myself! 🙋♂️
dont even care who he is anymore, guy is a clown
The fact that Aaron Kyro is a scientologist was a massive deal breaker. i already got weird vibes from the dude once his channel stared getting bigger past the original tutorial videos, but i had a bad feeling that it went deeper than that on a more insidious level. when i learned he was a scientologist a few years back i was like "i knew it! i knew something was wrong with that guy!". It makes me sad knowing how much money he gets from kids who buy stuff from his site and that a large portion of that goes to scientology. dude has brainwashed these kids and their parents into funding a super abusive and creepy cult.
I'm pretty sure that Steve Berra is too. As well as Jason Lee. I'm pretty sure a large portion of the skateboard industry is run by occultists. Just look at the symbology in logos and graphics. It's super obvious with Thrasher. Rob Dyrdek definitley gives off freemasonic vibes. It sucks that these weirdos have to ruin everything in our culture. It's all about contolling and influencing the masses to these freaks.
There are so many things wrong with your statement. I hope it helps you sleep.
He's also jewish btw
@@erikreber3695 Like what? Tell me how I am wrong. Thrasher is filled with satanic/occult imagery every month. They push drug and alcohol use constantly. Learn about the occult and the symbols they use, you will see it everwhere around you, especially in huge corporations. Look at the symbolism they use for the Berrics. It's right in your face if you have the eyes to see. There is a reason people like Dyrdek and Bam blow up and achieve fame and fortune. They chose the dark side, magick is real. Look at what has happened to Bam since he sold his soul. Look at what happens with anyone that gets involved with the occult, like Aleister Crowley. Eventually their lives take very dark turns. Look at most celebrities and famous musicians. Many openly admit they took the faustian bargain.
I stopped watching since I got tired on having ALL CAPS video titles in my feed.
The guy is overworking his employees. Those guys need some rest
He was never sponsored, he was flowed gear. That is not a sponsorship.
He has or had decks under revive. By all measure he was sponsored at least for a time.
@@slowb15 That was after his channel blew up. He claimed to be on multiple teams before that. Find me one piece of media or otherwise where any of those companies even acknowledged his existence.
I unsubscribed from braille. Sucks bc i used to like them
As a hardcore Scientologist who absolutely knows all the ins and outs of the cult, from the Xenu story at OT3 level, to the truly horrific death of Lisa McPherson, to brutal policies such as disconnection, Aaron Kyro is an incredibly dangerous individual. If you reach OT3 and STILL believe everything you're being told, you're either completely brainwashed or know it's all bullshit but you've put so much money and time in to it, you have no choice but to carry on. This man should NOT be around children. Aaron considers anyone not a Scientologist to be a "Suppressive Person" and does not view the world like normal human beings. He got lucky with skateboarding but his is ABSOLUTELY using it to fund a dangerous cult.
I don't know anything about Scientology, but I don't view the world like normal human beings either.
Are you saying you are a scientologist
@@TheDantheman12121 No sir, learn to read.
@@MonkDave666you did say 'as a hardcore scientologist'... Sure reads like you're saying you're a Scientologist
@@Elk_____ Learn to read sentences ser. I understand that grammar is no longer a thing for the younger generation, so that might be a problem for you.
Its to normie and pc now, its not really inline with skate culture and its roots,l. Its skateboarding for your mom. They still do some good stuff though
Nothing in modern day is inline with the original ideals of skate culture, it’s been overtaken and corporatized, happened to surfing too
Bruh spent all his money on science. 😂
scientology is not science lol. It's a sect.