I spent a semester of highschool in a small town along the border of luxembourg and belgium. closet town in LUX was Wiltz (german name) where i went to school and in beligum it was Bastogne (french name) I would say the line is quite definitive. in bastogne it was 100% french and in Wiltz it was mostly luxembourgish and german. in luxembourg the people speak luxembourgish, watch german tv and read the newspaper in french. all while atleast half the people speak english. super cool place! :) i could go on.
I bet if Luxembourg was located in the Balkans, there would have been a decade long naming dispute with Belgium, ending in Luxembourg having to rename to "East Luxembourg", only so that Germany would then start a dispute with Luxembourg on their own, accusing them of stealing their language and history or something like that... 😛
i bet if Luxembourg was located in Canada, theyd be super chill with a bit of a shady ass history resulting in dead native ladies. and theyd deflect from that issue by bitching about the NHL
Most Balkan countries are worried about their country, regional, county and province brand name across history because Ottomans (and other Empires) abolish numerous countries to downgrade entire Balkans. Example is Kurdistan and Armenia. Or Caralonia.
@markocroatia7630 that was my main though, Belgians have not been such jerks demanding the small neighboring country to rename itself, like east-luxembourg ;-). I actually still find it an extreme dirty move from greece that they put so extreme pressure on Macedonia to change its name... just... cause a province of Greece has the same name.. polical jerks..
In Luxembourg (the province) you'll find many signs towards Luxembourg (the country) naming it "Grand Duché" because it's apparently the easiest way to distinguish it.
Actually younger Belgians call the independent country less an less the Grand-Duchy. And they start doing the same mistake that French people make all the time, including on TV, i.e. confusing the city with the country, so saying “le Luxembourg”, even calling “Gare DU Luxembourg” instead of DE Luxembourg on trains. Frequent on French trains, happening also now on Belgian ones. On Belgian radio, they started using “EN Luxembourg” to speak about something happening in the Belgian province of Luxembourg, to differentiate from “au Luxembourg” which should mean “in the country (Grand-Duchy) of Luxembourg” or “à Luxembourg” which is the correct way to speak about the capital city.
There are also 2 provinces of Limbourg, one in Belgium and an other in the Netherlands, and the town of Limbourg, from which the provinces take their name, is not in either province but in Liège.
The town of Geldern from which Gelderland (Guelders) takes its name is just across the border from Venlo in Germany. The northern region of Dutch Limburg is in fact historically the upper quarter and original heartland of the Duchy of Guelders.
Greetings from Belgian Luxembourg. Just a reminder that Wallonia wasn't originally French speaking, there were (and still are, though scarcely) different Romance and Germanic languages in this region, and Luxembourgish was/is one of them. So actually Belgian Luxembourg is a mosaic of both Romance and Germanic cultures. In the South of the province people actually spoke the same language as in the Grand Duchy. My grand-mother for example speaks Luxembourgish and has lived in Belgium her entire life. Belgium decided to keep Belgian Luxembourg for strategic purposes more than cultural similarities or anything else. For more information on local languages in Belgium and Europe, go have a look at the "Langues régionales minoritaires" or "Regional minoritary languages" page of the European Union, also on wikipedia.
Same thing happening here in Limburg, go look how unique Limburgish is compared to other Germanic languages with tonal sounds and all. Sadly, Dutch is becoming more prevalent because in the past it was forced upon many people because speaking 'dialect' was considered boorish. This and our coal mine past which created many multicultural and cosmopolitan areas are what's killing Limburgish. IT's a regional language protected by the European charter but in less than 100 years later it is expected to go completely extinct. As someone who speaks Limburgish, for some reason thinking about this makes me cry while typing it lol.
I recently went to Belgium and looking at maps i saw that the region of Belgium named Luxembourg is bigger than the actual country named the same. I found that funny. If u posted this video a few weeks earlier i would have been afraid that u read my mind.
similar thing happened to the similarly named Limburg, historically part of the prince-bishopric of Liege, the people there speak a very distinct Dutch dialect, that sounds rather german (they say ich for example) they felt more for the German configuration, but ended up being split into a Belgian and a Dutch province... the belgian one is also larger here, but the dutch one has twice the population and the large city of Maastricht. these two provinces have a great identity pride and work together closely, especially on tourism...
The two Limburg provinces were only joined into one territory during the French occupation (department of the lower Meuse) and during the 15 years of the United Kingdom of the Netherlands. For the rest their history is quite different. Most of Belgian Limburg was ruled by the bishop of Liège, as the county of Loon, while Dutch Limburg was part of the county of Guelders (Gelderland) and other smaller counties. The 'real' historical duchy of Limburg is now mostly part of the Belgian province of Liège, but in de Middle ages it was ruled by the dukes of Brabant, and so became a part of the 'Bourgundian Netherlands' (unlike the territories of Liège). Quite complex 😊 But since the 2 provinces have been sharing a name now for more then 200 years, a common 'Limburg feeling' has developed, with for example a common 'Limburgish anthem'. Unfortunately most of this history is ignored in Belgian an Dutch history lessons, that focus mostly on Flanders, Brabant and Holland...
A common misconception is to think that the province of Luxembourg was annexed by Belgium, while in reality, it's more the grand duchy of Luxembourg which was taken from Belgium. The duchy of Luxembourg have been an integral part of the southern netherlands (the ancestror of Belgium) since the 15th century. And during the belgian revolution in 1830, the luxembourgish fought the dutch alongsides the other belgians. After that, the whole Luxembourg was de facto ruled as a part of Belgium until 1839, when the dutch and the prussians took the curent grand duchy as a puppet state because the fortress of Luxembourg was too strategically important.
It was a part of the Netherlands, even before there was even talk about Belgium. But fact is that is was always a Duchy, and with that independent of the Netherlands and Belgium. So no credits here then to Luxembourg itself. They always sold themselves very good between the big empires and later the puny low lands.
@@lucaarmillei1682 Duchy of Luxembourg was never of anyone other then the Duke. So no one could take it away from Belgium or the Netherlands. It did always belong to the “Low Lands”, which was only a way to describe this part of Europe and never was a country as such.
I have a Mair Benelux road map from the early Seventies where the Belgian region of Luxembourg stands out next to the country of Luxembourg. On the basis that there are no fewer than three precedents in Belgium (Antwerpen, Liège and Namur) calling that region Arlon would make eminent sense as a way around that confusion. However, we wouldn't have had this entertaining video had that been the case!
How fortuitous this video came up in my recommendations. I recently went on holiday to Germany by car. Our route took us from Calais, Belgium, Luxembourg and finally Germany. As there are no border controls any longer in Europe, it can sometimes be difficult to know if you have crossed a border. As we were driving through south west Belgium, signs were indicating directions to Luxembourg. And at a certain point, we went past a sign saying "Luxembourg". Now, I thought it was too soon to have crossed the border but the sign was clear enough. Then about 20 minutes later (maybe less) we passed another sign saying "Luxembourg". This one looked a bit more official. So, as it happens, we crossed into Luxembourg twice! Once I got to my destination in Germany, I checked out google and realised that there is a Belgium area called Luxembourg which, as you would expect, borders Luxembourg the country. It was a little confusing at the time.
Well, we can be happy that the Luxembourgers are not reclaiming their former territories on the Moselle and in the Eifel in what is now the German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. People there also speak pretty much the same dialect as in Luxembourg, but with fewer French loanwords. In Rhineland-Palatinate, however, this dialect is called Moselle Franconian.
Let's share the pizza. We have Luxembourg here, who wants a piece? A piece for France, a piece for Germany, a piece for Belgium. And what do we do with the rest? Oh let's call it the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.
I live in a small municipality in Luxembourg (the luxembourgish one) with 8 small villages. There was one short period in time, where these 8 villages, in the same municipality nowadays, were split between 4 different countries. These countries were Prussia, France, Habsbourg Austria and the Netherlands if I remember that correctly.
Renaming the Province to "Arlon" would actually be quite funny, as the city of Arlon and the region around it are the only part of the province where the Luxembourgish language is/used to be the dominant language. Nowadays french is clearly dominant, but some street names still are in Luxembourgish or at least in both languages
There is a famous phrase often associated with Luxembourg and its commitment to freedom 'Mir wölle bleiwe wat mir sin' which translates to 'We want to remain what we are.'"
Actually, here at school in Belgium, in geography class it was always stressed to put the initials of its full name on a map or you didn't get a point for it: G.H. Luxemburg (GrootHertogdom Luxemburg) or in English: G.D. Luxembourg (Grand Duchy of Luxembourg).
The biggest question in this context is why would they? Small country logic is to withdraw from power struggle in order to protect their autonomy. The balkan specificity is there's only small countries thinking they're big.
There's Punjab in India and another one right next to it in Pakistan. They were also the same province in British India and Sikh Empire before that. During and after the colonial Raj it also got - you guessed it - partitioned It's a bit ironic since Punj (5) ab (river/water) means The Land of Five Rivers but neither one has 5 rivers on it's own anymore.
together with luxembourg being part of belgium, the province of Limburg in the netherlands used to be part of belgium too part of belgian Limburg they are also more aking to belgians, you can see this in religion and political maps
Can we get a name explain about the burg(h)/boro/bourg suffix, its history, and its pronunciation as demonstrated in the following cities located in the UK, USA, Germany, Belgium, and Australia: Pittsburgh, Luxembourg, Edinburgh (in Scottland), Edinburg (in Texas), Edinburgh (in Indiana), Vicksburg (a city in both Mississippi & Michigan), Hamburg (in Germany), Greensboro (in North Carolina), Peterborough & Middlesborough? Please and thank you. 😀
it comes from the germanic word burg and the dutch word burcht, it basically means a castle, but specifically with a military role, while also being more accomodating than a mere fortress. the word probably has even older ties to the celtic languages as the celts of Scotland called there residential strongholds "broghs" I suspect an etymological relation there!
@@roelantverhoeven371 Not to be confused with the (also) Germanic word _berg_ meaning "mountain". (I know in German itself, _burg_ and _berg_ are pronounced differently from each other.)
@@AaronOfMpls Great information! The word, iceberg, seems to be the only English word that carries this meaning. I was hoping that Fredericksburg, a German settlement in Texas would end in -berg, but no such luck. St. Petersburg (in Florida and Russia) has the -burg suffix. There is a tiny town in California near Sacramento named, Berg, but I cannot find any information on it. It could be named after a person with the last name of Berg or because it's in the valley near mountains. Germans did settle in the Sacramento valley between 1850-1859. German American, Levi Straus, inventor of jeans is buried in this region of California.
This entire mess isn't just with the name, but also the flags. Luxembourg has a red, white and light blue flag. Other than the blue color it's virtually identical to the dutch flag, which causes some confusion. To avoid this, Luxembourgers tend to use the flag with the red lion on top of a blue-white striped background, especially on sporting events. This however causes confusion in Belgium, as this is the flag of their province of Luxembourg. All those flags are derived from the heraldry symbols of Luxembourg established under John the Blind. It's also the basis for the cocarde of the Luxembourg armed forces.
Nah, let the flags as they are. Love seing the dutch getting mad about this. The red lion flag does rarely cause confusion in reality. I am a Luxembourger and live next to the province, and I have never seen a Belgian fly this flag. In Luxembourg however, it's all over the place, not only at sport events, it is somewhat of our second / alternative flag. Most people here know that someone flying and displaying he red lion is a Luxembourger 99% of the time.
When I was in elementary school I was so confused when I had to learn the capital cities of the Belgian provinces and our neighbouring countries. "Luxemburg - Arlon, Luxemburg - Luxemburg city". Huh?😂😅
Luxembourg is a charming reminder of how Europe used to be. Plague victims crawl elegantly down its downhill streets.. Somebody probably post it already anyway
4:50 The Netherlands is also a Germanic country. At this time northern germans were far closer culturally and linguistically to the Dutch than for example Bavarians.
There was a push and a proposal for this after ww2, but it was in conflict with the intrests of the allied occupations of Germany, so Luxembourg just gained some random german forest we sold back to them some years later.
3 of belgiums own provinces are named after their capital/largest city (antwerp, liege, and namur)..so yeah calling it arlon province would have made some sense. But on the other hand arlon is quite unimportant compared to antwerp, namur or liege. It's only real significance comes from its position in the province whereas the other three cities have some historical, political, cultural, and or religious significance in addition to their status in their provinces. In general Belium has way too many governments, and the 10 provinces are much less important than the flemish/walloon/brussels government and the municipalities themselves. There were probably just bigger issues than what to call the province when forming the new nation in the 1830s.
As a Luxembourger, I can't even be mad a Belgium. They took all the remaining francophone lands, giving us more legitimacy to form our own nation and preserve our language and culture. But what annoys me is that the province still has our name and the "Roude Léiw", our red lion flag as it's symbol. It has some legitimacy tho so I'm still not against it in principle, even if people confuse it a lot.
Belgium, shortly after its creation, stole by military force what is now called "Province du Luxembourg belge" from us in 1939. Luxembourg`s surface is exactly 2586,4 sqkm. Luxembourg is anything but a "Germanic country with a Germanic language".
Just line United States is an incomplete name for a nation. United States of what? Oh, Mexico. That's right. That nation is the United States Of Mexico in name, not to be confused with its northern neighbor often simply called USA. That nation is still called the Kingdom Of The Netherlands, because it also is made up of more than one country and it is ruled by a monarch. Not the 🦋 butterfly, though. Right?
Still surprised that Belgium as a country even exists at all. Flanders to Netherlands, Wallonia to France, Germanic parts to Germany, Lux to lux if they want to not be part of France
It’s the French speaking part of Belgium (especially in Brussels) that wanted to split from the Dutch. The Flemish were seen as peasants and were treated like shit by the French speaking elite. Today most Flemish people wouldn’t mind having stayed under Dutch rule if you know something about Belgian politics. Since the creation of Belgium Flanders has wanted to separate from the French speaking part.
This seems to be a great oversimplification (and one that gives the impression to serve an agenda). Indeed the independence was fully orchestrated by the elites, who indeed, and unlike peasants from BOTH sides of the linguistic border, spoke French (a language almost exclusively used by the elites at the time). Said peasants were also treated like shit on both sides of the to be formed country, whether they spoke Flemish, Brabantian, Limburgish, Walloon, Picardian, Gaumais or Luxermbourgish. The reasons seem to have been mostly religious, a large majority of the UKN were catholic, yet only the Dutch protestant church was recognised. While French speaking elites might have been annoyed that Dutch became the official language, it should be noted that William 1 himself didnt speak much else than French. It is said that indeed northern Belgians didn't really identify with the new country that did indeed impose the use of French as the sole language of administration (and I think education), on the other hand the Dutch province of Limburg also wanted to join the newly formed Belgium, so feelings were likely double (one shouldnt forget the importance of religion in those days). The sentence "Today most Flemish people wouldn’t mind having stayed under Dutch rule" is an odd construct. If you are saying most flemings wouldn't mind reuniting with the Netherlands, I honestly think you are wrong. I don't know anyone who does (and I am half Dutch), most prefer to stay united with Belgium, and while I dont know how many separatists would want to reunite, I highly doubt it's all of them. If you mean to say that most Flemings today wouldn't have minded if they never split of from the UKN almost 200 years ago, that would likely be true, but how do you measure that, most Flemings (most of whom likely wouldnt be called flemings in that case) would have grown up with the UKN being their country for generations. It's a non argument, most wouldnt even be able to imagine the country of Belgium existing in that case.
Belgium is a silly country like that. They also have a Flemish Brabant, Walloon Brabant and Limburg, which were originally the Southern parts of the Dutch "(now called North) Brabant" and "Limburg" respectively.
Anyone watching from either of these Luxembourgs?
We NEED greater Luxembourg 🇱🇺
Also Greater Monaco 🇲🇨
I live in Luxembourg, but not from here 🇱🇺
I spent a semester of highschool in a small town along the border of luxembourg and belgium.
closet town in LUX was Wiltz (german name) where i went to school and in beligum it was Bastogne (french name)
I would say the line is quite definitive. in bastogne it was 100% french and in Wiltz it was mostly luxembourgish and german.
in luxembourg the people speak luxembourgish, watch german tv and read the newspaper in french. all while atleast half the people speak english. super cool place! :) i could go on.
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Also, there are lots of Portuguese immigrants.
I bet if Luxembourg was located in the Balkans, there would have been a decade long naming dispute with Belgium, ending in Luxembourg having to rename to "East Luxembourg", only so that Germany would then start a dispute with Luxembourg on their own, accusing them of stealing their language and history or something like that... 😛
i bet if Luxembourg was located in Canada, theyd be super chill with a bit of a shady ass history resulting in dead native ladies. and theyd deflect from that issue by bitching about the NHL
Macedonia example
Most Balkan countries are worried about their country, regional, county and province brand name across history because Ottomans (and other Empires) abolish numerous countries to downgrade entire Balkans. Example is Kurdistan and Armenia. Or Caralonia.
And they'd be ethnically clensing.
@markocroatia7630 that was my main though, Belgians have not been such jerks demanding the small neighboring country to rename itself, like east-luxembourg ;-).
I actually still find it an extreme dirty move from greece that they put so extreme pressure on Macedonia to change its name... just... cause a province of Greece has the same name.. polical jerks..
In Luxembourg (the province) you'll find many signs towards Luxembourg (the country) naming it "Grand Duché" because it's apparently the easiest way to distinguish it.
Belgian Luxembourg vs Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Actually younger Belgians call the independent country less an less the Grand-Duchy. And they start doing the same mistake that French people make all the time, including on TV, i.e. confusing the city with the country, so saying “le Luxembourg”, even calling “Gare DU Luxembourg” instead of DE Luxembourg on trains. Frequent on French trains, happening also now on Belgian ones. On Belgian radio, they started using “EN Luxembourg” to speak about something happening in the Belgian province of Luxembourg, to differentiate from “au Luxembourg” which should mean “in the country (Grand-Duchy) of Luxembourg” or “à Luxembourg” which is the correct way to speak about the capital city.
Yea we in flanders also call it Groot-Hertogdom Luxemburg
There are also 2 provinces of Limbourg, one in Belgium and an other in the Netherlands, and the town of Limbourg, from which the provinces take their name, is not in either province but in Liège.
There is also a city in Germany called Limburg 😂
Yes the on in Holland is Limburg.
the only burger that matters is teh hamburger
The town of Geldern from which Gelderland (Guelders) takes its name is just across the border from Venlo in Germany. The northern region of Dutch Limburg is in fact historically the upper quarter and original heartland of the Duchy of Guelders.
There are also 3 brabants. Northern braband in the netherlands. Brabant in belgium and walloon brabant
Greetings from Belgian Luxembourg. Just a reminder that Wallonia wasn't originally French speaking, there were (and still are, though scarcely) different Romance and Germanic languages in this region, and Luxembourgish was/is one of them.
So actually Belgian Luxembourg is a mosaic of both Romance and Germanic cultures. In the South of the province people actually spoke the same language as in the Grand Duchy. My grand-mother for example speaks Luxembourgish and has lived in Belgium her entire life.
Belgium decided to keep Belgian Luxembourg for strategic purposes more than cultural similarities or anything else.
For more information on local languages in Belgium and Europe, go have a look at the "Langues régionales minoritaires" or "Regional minoritary languages" page of the European Union, also on wikipedia.
Same thing happening here in Limburg, go look how unique Limburgish is compared to other Germanic languages with tonal sounds and all. Sadly, Dutch is becoming more prevalent because in the past it was forced upon many people because speaking 'dialect' was considered boorish. This and our coal mine past which created many multicultural and cosmopolitan areas are what's killing Limburgish. IT's a regional language protected by the European charter but in less than 100 years later it is expected to go completely extinct.
As someone who speaks Limburgish, for some reason thinking about this makes me cry while typing it lol.
@@dennisengelen2517 In every Flemish province the dialects are fading away and getting less used
Back then Luxemburg used to be little bigger
like i can trust anything a pretty gator say
@@beepboop204 yeahhhhhhh *squintsverysquinty*
and slightly relevant
I recently went to Belgium and looking at maps i saw that the region of Belgium named Luxembourg is bigger than the actual country named the same. I found that funny. If u posted this video a few weeks earlier i would have been afraid that u read my mind.
was it like it looks in In Bruge?
similar thing happened to the similarly named Limburg, historically part of the prince-bishopric of Liege, the people there speak a very distinct Dutch dialect, that sounds rather german (they say ich for example) they felt more for the German configuration, but ended up being split into a Belgian and a Dutch province... the belgian one is also larger here, but the dutch one has twice the population and the large city of Maastricht. these two provinces have a great identity pride and work together closely, especially on tourism...
Still waiting for a direct train connection between the two Limburgs. Let alone a tram connection...
The two Limburg provinces were only joined into one territory during the French occupation (department of the lower Meuse) and during the 15 years of the United Kingdom of the Netherlands. For the rest their history is quite different. Most of Belgian Limburg was ruled by the bishop of Liège, as the county of Loon, while Dutch Limburg was part of the county of Guelders (Gelderland) and other smaller counties. The 'real' historical duchy of Limburg is now mostly part of the Belgian province of Liège, but in de Middle ages it was ruled by the dukes of Brabant, and so became a part of the 'Bourgundian Netherlands' (unlike the territories of Liège). Quite complex 😊
But since the 2 provinces have been sharing a name now for more then 200 years, a common 'Limburg feeling' has developed, with for example a common 'Limburgish anthem'. Unfortunately most of this history is ignored in Belgian an Dutch history lessons, that focus mostly on Flanders, Brabant and Holland...
1:48 we missed out in having a LUX that looked like a dark forest creature that would give you nightmares.
1:49 O.G. Luxembourg had to change shape because it looked like a MONSTER 😮.
A common misconception is to think that the province of Luxembourg was annexed by Belgium, while in reality, it's more the grand duchy of Luxembourg which was taken from Belgium. The duchy of Luxembourg have been an integral part of the southern netherlands (the ancestror of Belgium) since the 15th century. And during the belgian revolution in 1830, the luxembourgish fought the dutch alongsides the other belgians. After that, the whole Luxembourg was de facto ruled as a part of Belgium until 1839, when the dutch and the prussians took the curent grand duchy as a puppet state because the fortress of Luxembourg was too strategically important.
It was a part of the Netherlands, even before there was even talk about Belgium. But fact is that is was always a Duchy, and with that independent of the Netherlands and Belgium. So no credits here then to Luxembourg itself. They always sold themselves very good between the big empires and later the puny low lands.
Luxembourg was unrightfully taken from Belgium?
Good.
Lëtzebuerg de Lëtzebuerger🇱🇺
@@lucaarmillei1682 Duchy of Luxembourg was never of anyone other then the Duke. So no one could take it away from Belgium or the Netherlands. It did always belong to the “Low Lands”, which was only a way to describe this part of Europe and never was a country as such.
Great video
I have a Mair Benelux road map from the early Seventies where the Belgian region of Luxembourg stands out next to the country of Luxembourg. On the basis that there are no fewer than three precedents in Belgium (Antwerpen, Liège and Namur) calling that region Arlon would make eminent sense as a way around that confusion. However, we wouldn't have had this entertaining video had that been the case!
How fortuitous this video came up in my recommendations. I recently went on holiday to Germany by car. Our route took us from Calais, Belgium, Luxembourg and finally Germany. As there are no border controls any longer in Europe, it can sometimes be difficult to know if you have crossed a border. As we were driving through south west Belgium, signs were indicating directions to Luxembourg. And at a certain point, we went past a sign saying "Luxembourg". Now, I thought it was too soon to have crossed the border but the sign was clear enough. Then about 20 minutes later (maybe less) we passed another sign saying "Luxembourg". This one looked a bit more official. So, as it happens, we crossed into Luxembourg twice! Once I got to my destination in Germany, I checked out google and realised that there is a Belgium area called Luxembourg which, as you would expect, borders Luxembourg the country. It was a little confusing at the time.
Well, we can be happy that the Luxembourgers are not reclaiming their former territories on the Moselle and in the Eifel in what is now the German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. People there also speak pretty much the same dialect as in Luxembourg, but with fewer French loanwords. In Rhineland-Palatinate, however, this dialect is called Moselle Franconian.
Let's share the pizza. We have Luxembourg here, who wants a piece?
A piece for France, a piece for Germany, a piece for Belgium.
And what do we do with the rest? Oh let's call it the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.
I live in a small municipality in Luxembourg (the luxembourgish one) with 8 small villages. There was one short period in time, where these 8 villages, in the same municipality nowadays, were split between 4 different countries. These countries were Prussia, France, Habsbourg Austria and the Netherlands if I remember that correctly.
As someone who grew up in the gdr, little 5 year old me thought, Rosa Luxemburg came from Luxembourg, where all people have the surename Luxemburg. 😅
The same thing also happened to Azerbaijan. There is the Republic of Azerbaijan and Iran's historical region of Azerbaijan.
There used to be two Azeri languages too. One belongs to Iranian language family, while others is Turkic, which is the one still exists today.
Renaming the Province to "Arlon" would actually be quite funny, as the city of Arlon and the region around it are the only part of the province where the Luxembourgish language is/used to be the dominant language. Nowadays french is clearly dominant, but some street names still are in Luxembourgish or at least in both languages
There is a famous phrase often associated with Luxembourg and its commitment to freedom 'Mir wölle bleiwe wat mir sin' which translates to 'We want to remain what we are.'"
Seeing that many Luxemburgers speak french, they don't want to bleiwe wat mir sin'
@@GhreinosThats just the city and the southern border region + they are not Luxembourgers they are cross border workers / immigrants.
Actually, here at school in Belgium, in geography class it was always stressed to put the initials of its full name on a map or you didn't get a point for it: G.H. Luxemburg (GrootHertogdom Luxemburg) or in English: G.D. Luxembourg (Grand Duchy of Luxembourg).
Great video! It does make me wonder if there's any pan-Luxembourgish movement that to recover those lost parts, kinda like in Hungary
The biggest question in this context is why would they? Small country logic is to withdraw from power struggle in order to protect their autonomy.
The balkan specificity is there's only small countries thinking they're big.
Luxembourg would be worse off with it lol
@@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad Let me guess, will Luxembourg be worse off because of the debts and unfavorable negotiating position they’ll be in?
@@adiaphoros6842 Wallonian Luxembourg would be a drain on their economy
@@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad How so? Lack of profitable infrastructure? Uncooparative people?
The same happens with the Limburg province. One is in the Netherlands the other in Belgium and they both border eacg other.
Eacg other☠️
Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says Luxembourg
There's Punjab in India and another one right next to it in Pakistan.
They were also the same province in British India and Sikh Empire before that. During and after the colonial Raj it also got - you guessed it - partitioned
It's a bit ironic since Punj (5) ab (river/water) means The Land of Five Rivers but neither one has 5 rivers on it's own anymore.
Bengal is also in the same situation, it was split into West Bengal (India) and the country of Bangladesh.
Give Luxembourg that Belgian province we need to start greater Luxembourg 🇱🇺
yes!
But then Belgium would be size of Slovenia.
@@markocroatia7630 Belgium can still make the world delicious food like waffles and fries
@@stargazer-elite So that's an "award" for a country who cook a delicious food.
@@markocroatia7630 I never said it was I said that they are still able to do that it’s a sacrifice that must be done in the name of greater Luxembourg
together with luxembourg being part of belgium, the province of Limburg in the netherlands used to be part of belgium too part of belgian Limburg
they are also more aking to belgians, you can see this in religion and political maps
In Liège there's a town called Limbourg which is the same name as the province next to Liège in the Netherlands.
Only today I know that Luxembourg means little castle. Thanks so much for the knowledge sharing.
Can we get a name explain about the burg(h)/boro/bourg suffix, its history, and its pronunciation as demonstrated in the following cities located in the UK, USA, Germany, Belgium, and Australia: Pittsburgh, Luxembourg, Edinburgh (in Scottland), Edinburg (in Texas), Edinburgh (in Indiana), Vicksburg (a city in both Mississippi & Michigan), Hamburg (in Germany), Greensboro (in North Carolina), Peterborough & Middlesborough? Please and thank you. 😀
it comes from the germanic word burg and the dutch word burcht, it basically means a castle, but specifically with a military role, while also being more accomodating than a mere fortress. the word probably has even older ties to the celtic languages as the celts of Scotland called there residential strongholds "broghs" I suspect an etymological relation there!
@@roelantverhoeven371 Good job! Very thorough! You should start your own RUclips channel. I'd subscribe. A+ ⭐💯
@@roelantverhoeven371 Not to be confused with the (also) Germanic word _berg_ meaning "mountain". (I know in German itself, _burg_ and _berg_ are pronounced differently from each other.)
There's also Scarborough, Yorkshire, Scarborough, Ontario and Scarborough, Tobago.
@@AaronOfMpls Great information! The word, iceberg, seems to be the only English word that carries this meaning. I was hoping that Fredericksburg, a German settlement in Texas would end in -berg, but no such luck. St. Petersburg (in Florida and Russia) has the -burg suffix. There is a tiny town in California near Sacramento named, Berg, but I cannot find any information on it. It could be named after a person with the last name of Berg or because it's in the valley near mountains. Germans did settle in the Sacramento valley between 1850-1859. German American, Levi Straus, inventor of jeans is buried in this region of California.
This entire mess isn't just with the name, but also the flags.
Luxembourg has a red, white and light blue flag. Other than the blue color it's virtually identical to the dutch flag, which causes some confusion.
To avoid this, Luxembourgers tend to use the flag with the red lion on top of a blue-white striped background, especially on sporting events. This however causes confusion in Belgium, as this is the flag of their province of Luxembourg.
All those flags are derived from the heraldry symbols of Luxembourg established under John the Blind. It's also the basis for the cocarde of the Luxembourg armed forces.
Nah, let the flags as they are. Love seing the dutch getting mad about this.
The red lion flag does rarely cause confusion in reality. I am a Luxembourger and live next to the province, and I have never seen a Belgian fly this flag. In Luxembourg however, it's all over the place, not only at sport events, it is somewhat of our second / alternative flag. Most people here know that someone flying and displaying he red lion is a Luxembourger 99% of the time.
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Today I, a German speaker, learned that Luxemburg means little castle.
When I was in elementary school I was so confused when I had to learn the capital cities of the Belgian provinces and our neighbouring countries. "Luxemburg - Arlon, Luxemburg - Luxemburg city". Huh?😂😅
Me: Where are you from?
Some guy: I'm from Luxembourg.
Me: A place in Belgium or an independent country?
Some guy: *TRIGGERED*
Sovereign grand duchy
Region of Wallonia (Belgium)
Luxembourg is a charming reminder of how Europe used to be. Plague victims crawl elegantly down its downhill streets.. Somebody probably post it already anyway
Ehm, btw, Dutch is _also_ a germanic language...
It's German pronounced by a drunk French speaker, so it's a bit of both.
Yeah, I think he said this because Luxemburgish is more like a German dialect with french mixed in.
I have been wondering
Similarly, there is a #DelawareCounty in Pennsylvania adjacent to the State of Delaware!
4:50 The Netherlands is also a Germanic country. At this time northern germans were far closer culturally and linguistically to the Dutch than for example Bavarians.
J'imagine la ville d'Arlon, capitale d'Arlon. Ainsi que Namur, Namur. Liège, Liège. Bruxelles, Bruxelles.
Name Explain: Grand Duchy of Lux’s 1815 PU was confusing.
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I kinda wounder why didnt Luxembourg push to annex it lost lands from german from 1815 after ww1 and ww2.
I know it doesn't have anything to do with the video but it's an interesting question.
There was a push and a proposal for this after ww2, but it was in conflict with the intrests of the allied occupations of Germany, so Luxembourg just gained some random german forest we sold back to them some years later.
Well, in the Netherlands and Belgium we both have a Brabant and a Limburg, just for the fun of it.
3 of belgiums own provinces are named after their capital/largest city (antwerp, liege, and namur)..so yeah calling it arlon province would have made some sense. But on the other hand arlon is quite unimportant compared to antwerp, namur or liege. It's only real significance comes from its position in the province whereas the other three cities have some historical, political, cultural, and or religious significance in addition to their status in their provinces. In general Belium has way too many governments, and the 10 provinces are much less important than the flemish/walloon/brussels government and the municipalities themselves. There were probably just bigger issues than what to call the province when forming the new nation in the 1830s.
That explains why my Biology Teacher kept babbling about how we should invade Belgium and get back our land area
Isn’t there a palace in Paris called Luxembourg?
Already knew about this. But i found it interesting nevertheless.
Edit: Like if you want to show, that you already knew about this fact.
drink everytime he says luxembourg
Wrong question. Question is: why is half of Luxembourg independent?
Because we said so
Between 1830 and 1839 Luxembourg was actually part of Belgium, as was Dutch Limbourg
It's pretty similar to Mexico's California right next to America's California.
The US's California which was invaded and taken.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Ok, but again pretty similar.
Die Belgier aus der Provinz Luxemburg wären sicherlich froh wenn sie wieder zu Luxemburg (Land) gehören würden 😊
TL:DR They annexed a part of Luxembourg and forgot to be creative while naming the new province
As a Luxembourger, I can't even be mad a Belgium. They took all the remaining francophone lands, giving us more legitimacy to form our own nation and preserve our language and culture.
But what annoys me is that the province still has our name and the "Roude Léiw", our red lion flag as it's symbol. It has some legitimacy tho so I'm still not against it in principle, even if people confuse it a lot.
Luxembourg, Luxembourg, Luxembourg not Luxembourg - a technically true sentence
Belgium, shortly after its creation, stole by military force what is now called "Province du Luxembourg belge" from us in 1939.
Luxembourg`s surface is exactly 2586,4 sqkm.
Luxembourg is anything but a "Germanic country with a Germanic language".
Am I the only one who thought the original Luxembourg looked like a monster?
Inner Luxembourg!
It's not a "Piece of Belgium, it's an independent nation! The official language is French!
Just like Monaco, Andorra, Lichtenstein, San Remo ....
Do the Swedes still use it for storing their pickled herrings?! 😋
Belgium shares more names with other countries.
Next up: Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan (Iran)
Dude hes saying Luxembourg 1000 times fr
ah yes a classic macedonia / mongolia situation
It was once an integral part of the former larger Grand Duchy and is now, well... under belgian occupation in one way or another. 🤗
Luxembourg Luxembourg Luxembourg Luxembourg!
I was looking for this comment.
This video started as a drinking game🤨
its the same word
That's where I live!
@@ShannonBox85 the country, the capital or province?
@@bornagainchristian3742 yes, yes, and yes.
Time to give back Luxembourg to Luxembourg.
time to disolve Luxembourg
@@argiberico Many tried and many failed.
@@lucaarmillei1682 we´ll keep on trying, we´ll keep on trying!
Der Luxemburgers! 😂
My god.
Luxembourgish revaunchism
frist (spelled wrong )
Jeezus .l minute in and still waffling.
Just line United States is an incomplete name for a nation. United States of what?
Oh, Mexico. That's right. That nation is the United States Of Mexico in name, not to be confused with its northern neighbor often simply called USA.
That nation is still called the Kingdom Of The Netherlands, because it also is made up of more than one country and it is ruled by a monarch. Not the 🦋 butterfly, though.
Right?
United Kingdom of the Netherlands is still the name
lol, UKTN
Same thing with Azerbaijan and irans to Azerbaijan's
Just wait when people realize there is a country called Georgia ;)
Sakartvelo.
Still surprised that Belgium as a country even exists at all. Flanders to Netherlands, Wallonia to France, Germanic parts to Germany, Lux to lux if they want to not be part of France
Yet another filthy foreigner telling Belgians how they should be without even asking their opinion.
#reunifyluxembourg
No.
It’s the French speaking part of Belgium (especially in Brussels) that wanted to split from the Dutch. The Flemish were seen as peasants and were treated like shit by the French speaking elite. Today most Flemish people wouldn’t mind having stayed under Dutch rule if you know something about Belgian politics. Since the creation of Belgium Flanders has wanted to separate from the French speaking part.
I would love to reunite with flanders. We get better fries beer and friendly poeple and they get better infrastructure.
@@tomvlogs8463 Thanks man! Until then I’ll just keep visiting Holland. The unspoiled coast is beautiful.
We could annex the Netherlands.
@@flitsertheo if you leave wallonia behind im all for it.
This seems to be a great oversimplification (and one that gives the impression to serve an agenda). Indeed the independence was fully orchestrated by the elites, who indeed, and unlike peasants from BOTH sides of the linguistic border, spoke French (a language almost exclusively used by the elites at the time). Said peasants were also treated like shit on both sides of the to be formed country, whether they spoke Flemish, Brabantian, Limburgish, Walloon, Picardian, Gaumais or Luxermbourgish. The reasons seem to have been mostly religious, a large majority of the UKN were catholic, yet only the Dutch protestant church was recognised. While French speaking elites might have been annoyed that Dutch became the official language, it should be noted that William 1 himself didnt speak much else than French. It is said that indeed northern Belgians didn't really identify with the new country that did indeed impose the use of French as the sole language of administration (and I think education), on the other hand the Dutch province of Limburg also wanted to join the newly formed Belgium, so feelings were likely double (one shouldnt forget the importance of religion in those days).
The sentence "Today most Flemish people wouldn’t mind having stayed under Dutch rule" is an odd construct. If you are saying most flemings wouldn't mind reuniting with the Netherlands, I honestly think you are wrong. I don't know anyone who does (and I am half Dutch), most prefer to stay united with Belgium, and while I dont know how many separatists would want to reunite, I highly doubt it's all of them. If you mean to say that most Flemings today wouldn't have minded if they never split of from the UKN almost 200 years ago, that would likely be true, but how do you measure that, most Flemings (most of whom likely wouldnt be called flemings in that case) would have grown up with the UKN being their country for generations. It's a non argument, most wouldnt even be able to imagine the country of Belgium existing in that case.
Luxembourg should unite
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Belgium is a silly country like that. They also have a Flemish Brabant, Walloon Brabant and Limburg, which were originally the Southern parts of the Dutch "(now called North) Brabant" and "Limburg" respectively.
They should just give them back.
they should dissolve Luxembourg
So it’s like Mexico and New Mexico: Belgium stole part of Luxembourg (but of course we stole a lot more from Mexico than one state).
New Mexico was already named that when it was part of Mexico
I hate how this guy says Luxembourg so annoying talk properly.
Do your homework again
Luxembourg the country is rich. Luxembourg the province is poorer and has its characteristic Ugly Belgian Houses.