Make art like someone you admire. | Peggy and Garry Noland | The Art Assignment

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  • @lesliefoundhergrail
    @lesliefoundhergrail 10 лет назад +68

    This assignment is very tangible to RUclipsrs. It's fun to watch them start out with a vlogging aesthetic like wheezy or communitychannel or Ze and then you check back with them a few dozen videos later and see the parts of THEM as a maker finally shine through. My favorite thing is finding people who just started making videos without any influence so their style is based on a influence from another medium that's just been moulded to this space.

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +36

      REALLY excellent point that I hadn't considered. So true. Would love to see some responses by RUclipsrs making very specific vlogs in the style of others. Happens organically of course, but would be interesting to see it happen within this context.

    • @shaunaaaah
      @shaunaaaah 10 лет назад +4

      I love watching through a youtuber's entire library and watching what changes and what doesn't. It works really well with webcomics too, watching their style evolve.

    • @ARTiculations
      @ARTiculations 10 лет назад +5

      I totally thought of this too. CGP Grey and Brady from Numberphile did a Hello Internet podcast a few weeks ago talking about the importance of being influenced by other RUclipsrs but yet at they same time you tread on the dangerous grounds of "not being original enough." Really interesting discussion, worth a listen.

  • @PogieJoe
    @PogieJoe 10 лет назад +2

    Pretty awesome to see a father and daughter get along so well and be able to inspire and learn from each other!

  • @mustardsfire22
    @mustardsfire22 10 лет назад +3

    Peggy's statements when she's making her piece very clearly explain why authors like George R.R. Martin are afraid of fanfiction, but also why fanfiction is a good thing. Thus, fanfiction could fit this Art Assignment.

  • @LittlebigJessica
    @LittlebigJessica 10 лет назад +3

    I loved Gary and Peggy's response to the typical "I could have made that," statement.

  • @NathanAndRose
    @NathanAndRose 10 лет назад +5

    The Art Assignment Rose and I are from Kansas City! I have seen Peggy's work and I recognize her studio! Super cool!
    I love this assignment so much. I talk all the time about how collaboration is among my favorite elements of art. It's what makes Jazz so amazing, what makes film outstanding, even what makes RUclips videos awesome! When you can take two or more creative minds, what they are able to create between them or with each other's influence, to me, is one of the most exciting (and so extremely human) things!
    -Nathan

  • @gonniez4854
    @gonniez4854 10 лет назад +4

    Oh, I love Peggy Noland so much her works are amazing

  • @KathyTrithardt
    @KathyTrithardt 10 лет назад

    I like the premise of copying a work directly (or making something in the same style) to get inside the creative mind of that person and experience a small piece of their process.

  • @kaileyrausch9998
    @kaileyrausch9998 10 лет назад +1

    As a young artist, I have the hardest time not looking at other's work and thinking, "wow, he/she is so much better than I am" and then feeling bad about my own work. This has helped me to realize that maybe we all need experiences like that to push us forward and help develop our own personal style as an artist. Thanks!

  • @weirdral
    @weirdral 10 лет назад +1

    I don't really have anyone that artistically influential around me, but my husband and I just bought a house and my uncle, who's a contractor, is going to be helping us repair it, and I think I'm going to do this assignment that way. Seeing how he can help us make the house a whole home.

  • @JodiRenshaw
    @JodiRenshaw 4 года назад

    Her style is GOALS.

  • @Becca_Beam
    @Becca_Beam 10 лет назад +7

    I just had a thought -- one interesting take would be finishing a work that another maker or artist has already started, using the assignment as a way to get into their head and try to understand their vision and intent for the finished project. This would only work with someone you know, and you could even purposefully only do part of a project before switching your partially-finished art pieces with a friend.

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад +2

      I like that! It could also work with someone you don't know, like working off of the sketches that an artist has left behind, but working with someone you know sounds more personal :)

  • @wenglish123
    @wenglish123 10 лет назад

    What I like about this assignment is that it give purpose to my GSCE art work, it fits the assignment so well!

  • @musicalmadalyn
    @musicalmadalyn 10 лет назад +4

    I love this idea! As a musician, I feel like I already do some semblance of this exercise every time I go to a lesson or masterclass.

  • @DJTyrrell
    @DJTyrrell 10 лет назад +4

    I totally identify with this. As a musician, my career would be nothing without the other musicians who have influenced me and whose works I've learned from.

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад +1

      As Ravel said to Gershwin: "Why be a second-rate Ravel, when you are a first-rate Gershwin?"

    • @DJTyrrell
      @DJTyrrell 10 лет назад +2

      David Shi Indeed! But Gershwin needed Ravel - without his influence, Gershwin would not have become the same composer. One eventually transcends their influencers. Hopefully.

    • @nadiact-ie5hy
      @nadiact-ie5hy 10 лет назад +1

      David Shi
      All music comes from other music, just as all art comes from other art, and all literature comes from other literature. It's vital for composers to study the work of other composers, even if they intend to compose in a completely different style.

  • @BrianHutzellMusic
    @BrianHutzellMusic 4 года назад

    This made me think of my favorite clothing store of all time, the long-defunct Unique Clothing Warehouse in New York. It was hugely popular in the 1980s, filled with wearable art. The shoppers and makers, and even the building’s decorators included a Who’s Who of famous artists and musicians of the day.

  • @unihope
    @unihope 10 лет назад +1

    You guys have probably already left Kansas City but the group called the Illustration Department/ The Art Connection would be great to include in The Art Assignment!

  • @gemmaohlemacher
    @gemmaohlemacher 10 лет назад +3

    theartassignment Sara, you should read "Surviving Picasso" if you have not already. It is the autobiography of his granddaughter. She tells how much of a monster the man was, although he made some amazing art.

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад

      Thanks for the rec!

    • @gemmaohlemacher
      @gemmaohlemacher 10 лет назад +4

      The Art Assignment I'm sorry, it's called "Picasso: My Grandfather." By Marina Picasso. Surviving Picasso is a movie lol

  • @Madamuuu
    @Madamuuu 10 лет назад +2

    I used to do this with poems a lot. I'd rewrite my favorite poems several times until it was in my head, push the written copies away, and then try writing something on my own. Different things would shine through-- maybe the theme, structure, certain turn of phrases, or whatever-- but it always felt like a kind of collaboration, even though most of those poets had long since passed away. This assignment makes me want to try that again ^^.

    • @caitlyn2580
      @caitlyn2580 7 лет назад

      That is a really amazing idea, and I am impressed by your dedication to writing good poetry! :)

  • @christinereardon644
    @christinereardon644 10 лет назад

    This is my favorite assignment so far. While I have not done any of them, I am certainly tempted by this one. Interestingly, what I want to do is type out one of my favorite novels to see what it is like to write a great work.

  • @littlearttalks
    @littlearttalks 10 лет назад +4

    This is a fantastic exercise. I especially love the idea of doing it with someone you know personally, since you can see how other people approach your work when they try to work with your style/technique

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +2

      Glad you like it! Yeah, I thought it was a nice take on this idea to encourage you to choose someone you know and not necessarily a famous artist. Although I'll look forward to seeing the influenced by famous artist responses, too.

  • @jessherselfable
    @jessherselfable 10 лет назад +3

    I love this show so hard. This is easily my favorite educational show on these RUclipss. :) (Don't tell John and Hank!)

  • @ccartist516
    @ccartist516 4 года назад

    One of my favorites... The closing statement... Bello💕

  • @kendrickfaith6331
    @kendrickfaith6331 10 лет назад +1

    Awww, theyre so sweet together

  • @lookdownimthere
    @lookdownimthere 10 лет назад

    Oh my goodness!!!! Kansas City, MO!!! The Noland's!!! this is my home, how cool!!

  • @shantideruyter4964
    @shantideruyter4964 10 лет назад

    I love the idea of two artists who know each other exchanging styles, like in the video. Sounds like a fun way to do the assignment; too bad I don't really know anyone who old do it with me.

  • @luxeroforeva
    @luxeroforeva 10 лет назад +1

    Her haircut is amazing

  • @mccgirl123
    @mccgirl123 10 лет назад

    This is probably my favorite Art Assignment yet!

  • @TylerMayMedia
    @TylerMayMedia 10 лет назад +1

    I think this is a great idea for an Art Assingment! Well done! I love seeing how people evolve in how they create and how it usually starts as a form of emulation. I think it would be so cool if people take what Leslie said in the comments and do a vlog of someone else's style for this assignment. I almost wish that I hadn't made an emulation video of Ze Frank already so I could do it for the Art Assignment. Oh well, I have several other videos that need worked on.

    • @MattPalka
      @MattPalka 10 лет назад

      I may do one in the Style of Ze Frank. There are numerous RUclipsrs to choose from.

    • @TylerMayMedia
      @TylerMayMedia 10 лет назад +1

      Dude! Do it! It is hard to choose but I like Ze's distinctive style. I even had fun when I edited mine with all the different zooms that Ze did in his videos.

    • @MattPalka
      @MattPalka 10 лет назад +1

      I do have a good ability to not blink and raise my eyebrows. I also think true facts could be fun one too.

  • @realspacemodels
    @realspacemodels 10 лет назад

    Not just in art school, but even now, 32 year later I still look at other photographers work to get an understanding on how they see the world and how they then present that vision to others through their imagery.
    I think the Nolands were being very kind about the "I could do that" comment. While they decided to take the meaning of the comment as "I am inspired by that enough to try to do something like it" the fact is that any time I have heard someone say "I could do that" when looking at art, it means that they believe that the level of skill needed to produce such a work is so low that even they, with no talent, could do it. It is a comment that shows a total lack of understanding for the talent of the artist and their work.

  • @CourtneyPaz
    @CourtneyPaz 10 лет назад +2

    that is something I have always struggled with, influence. I spend a lot of time on the internet and I see what a lot of photographers, painters, and artists are doing and I constantly find myself wanting to be able to do what they do. But most of the time when I try or go out and attempt something there will be a point where I hit a wall, shut down, and walk away from it. i'm studying art yet I rarely find myself making art in my free time and I think I am exposed to so much amazing art that I spend more time thinking about what I could do vs actually trying to do something. I can never find inspiration or motivation to make something. I think it's an odd and fine line artists walk along, especially today with all of the technology and the internet, trying to learn and experience all the art that is out there, but then not letting that influence their art too much so they can create something new. it's just something I struggle with, the balance of all the things you take in vs what you create and the battle that it's easier than ever to see other art and be easily discouraged in your attempt to create something.

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад

      Sometimes, alone time, away from distractions, can be helpful, as Glenn Gould liked to do. At some point you've got to sit down and find what's inside of you...

  • @pwhite102
    @pwhite102 10 лет назад +1

    On the idea of retyping a novel. Imagine typing a chapter of a cult favorite and then asking someone who hasn't read it to revise it. This thought came to me because no one just sits down and writes a great story they have to revise it.

  • @terralynn9
    @terralynn9 10 лет назад

    Isn't this what we've been doing with all of the art assignments? Last week I made art in the style of Fritz Haeg (and loved it!). It's interesting to get to choose the creator myself this time.

  • @MeganIsMe07
    @MeganIsMe07 10 лет назад

    This is my favourite video thus far!

  • @BlackInLady
    @BlackInLady 9 лет назад

    It's funny because I did that a while ago in my French class (yes, I speak French, so I guess it would be your English class, anyway). The teacher proposed to us to write every week about theme. The last theme we got was "a theft". I was a bit angry because of the theme which I found quite bad so I decided to "steal the style" of one of my favourite writer (Boris Vian). It was a challenging and funny experience and I realised how important the influences are in life (artistic, but also personal, etc)

  • @Becca_Beam
    @Becca_Beam 10 лет назад +5

    Ooo, I really like this one! It's going to be difficult to choose an artist, but I have a few ideas. :)

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +5

      Could always do this more than once :).

    • @Becca_Beam
      @Becca_Beam 10 лет назад

      The Art Assignment I just might! There are lots of ideas swimming around in my head and I want to get them all out!

  • @lesliefoundhergrail
    @lesliefoundhergrail 10 лет назад +11

    5:02 Sarah's not taking any of your BS.

  • @kimmycheyenne
    @kimmycheyenne 10 лет назад +1

    this is ironic, for school I have to make photos replicating the style of a famous photographer. I'm doing Rineke Dijkstra's Beach Portraits this week

  • @moleybear
    @moleybear 10 лет назад

    Made me think of what inspired my teenage art, which cover art from fantasy books and anime. Icegraphic a t-shirt printing store drives me to come up with designs I want to see on shirts and hoodies

  • @leafgreen92
    @leafgreen92 10 лет назад +4

    Also, of course you rewrote parts of catcher in the rye, john!

  • @Kram1032
    @Kram1032 10 лет назад +2

    Sometimes I feel like more important to the Greens here than the Art Assignment given to all the viewers is, that John actually learns what Sarah even does. He almost always seems awfully stumped :D

  • @hildaangulo203
    @hildaangulo203 10 лет назад

    Cool!!! I love this assignment!

  • @uptownboi10
    @uptownboi10 10 лет назад

    love this assignment!!!!!!!!!

  • @barbita65
    @barbita65 10 лет назад +2

    A bit off topic from the actual assignment... but I was so struck by Garry and Peggy's discussion of the viewer's comment that he "could have made that." I know it's a common reaction to seemingly "easy to make" modern art (Jackson Pollock, Piet Mondrian, etc.), and one I might even have said at one point or another when viewing certain kinds of art.
    I'm sure that the man who made the remark would have felt awful if he knew the artist had overheard. It made me wonder-- how would it change the way I spoke about and viewed art if the artist was in the room? The obvious response is that I wouldn't trash the art. But going beyond that, I think if I didn't like or understand the art, I'd want to ask the artist why they made those choices. What are they hoping to convey? For some reason, I think that makes me much more open to art I previously would have dismissed.
    Thanks for the video, and please excuse the rant! :)

  • @whatever101s
    @whatever101s 10 лет назад +1

    This is amazing! I have been intrigued by Marina Abramovic for quite some time but that is wayy too out of my reach.

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад +1

      Who says? Besides, you can always adjust the assignment to fit your needs and interests!

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +5

      David Shi David, I always appreciate how encouraging you are. Don't ever change!

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад

      Aw shucks, thanks! Just trying to spread some good will :)

    • @whatever101s
      @whatever101s 10 лет назад

      David Shi thank you, I might be able to borrow a camera from someone.

  • @julianmontes8860
    @julianmontes8860 10 лет назад

    This is something that I can definitely do. I actually started drawing by imitating art styles of anime that I like; although they don't really look like that. I tried making fan art once but it didn't look like it was that character that I'm trying to draw but I was still satisfied with the finished drawing.
    I have seen many different styles of animation and I have decided to try and copy the art style of Gankutsuou: The count of Monte Cristo and the Witches from Madoka. The animation style is really not like of any show that I have seen; just google them and see what I mean.

  • @thingamabitch
    @thingamabitch 10 лет назад +1

    I'm kind of broadly influenced by anime and cartoons in general, so I'm going to ignore that. :P I don't know that many artists personally.... hm... I could use my former art teachers! They were brilliant.
    I love webcomics, so I think I'll go with a webcomic artist or another artist I'm fond of.
    Candidates are: Andrew Hussie, Bunny Bennett and A. Stifler.
    Andrew Hussie has an odd range of art styles. He's capable of drawing very detailed images, but for the past six years, he's been making doodle-like, pixely artwork and he borrows stock or public domain images often and edits them. Those drawings can be very crude, but sometimes we will see very beautiful panels where it's clear he knows what he's doing. He's very good at working with color and composition. I like the bold, simple look of his comics. He is also among the first comic artists to incorporate animation and video games into a web comic, and if I learn how to animate, I would like to use the animated .gifs he uses so frequently. Hussie is a very hard worker, as far as I know, and I want to be able to focus so intensely on my work one day.
    Bunny has impacted me on a more personal level. She's a cool lady. She is a trans woman, and few of her pieces examine gender. As a trans person, those mean a lot to me. Her art is very whimsical and she's also good at making creepy, but beautiful images. Speaking of influences, the influences of Picasso and Tim Burton are very apparent in her work. I aspire to be as imaginative as she is. She is also a performing artist and a musician, so she's super talented in other ways in addition to being an artist who works with digital art. I admire her a lot.
    A. Stifler is another comic artist. Their style is similar to mine. Stifler is agender and when I found them I was like "FUCK YEAH, WE'RE BOTH NON-BINARY ARTISTS!" They make a comic about their daily life and they draw an urban fantasy comic that is written by their wife. Both comics are very good.
    I also really like Pendleton Ward's work, but I haven't known about him as long as the other three.

    • @divicool72
      @divicool72 10 лет назад

      Id never really thought about it before, but I really like how the kind-of minimalism in most of of the homestuck panels make the parts of the comic which are detailed or bold really shine. I always like homestuck crossovers/stuff drawn in that style, it's interesting to see :)

    • @thingamabitch
      @thingamabitch 10 лет назад

      Divi Yeah it does! Detailed panels can also indicate something important is happening.... or Hussie got bored or something. I want to see more panels like the ones we saw in Act 5 Act 2 again (you know, "Hussnasty mode"), as well as more drawings like the one of Yaldabaoth, which was like the style in his old graphic novels. He also drew the house Roxy walked out of when she met Calliope. I'm not saying the rest of the comic looks bad, but these panels are more complex and just plain prettier.
      I also love what Hussie did in the last flash we saw. He employed some very interesting techniques. I like how the animation spread over much of the web page, and how stuff came out of the usual confines of the panel/video player. It was a pleasure to watch... until it ended with glitches and now we have to wait to see the whole thing. :P

  • @raquelifornia
    @raquelifornia 10 лет назад +2

    Could this also be in the form of dance?

  • @presgutpela
    @presgutpela 10 лет назад +6

    Such hair

  • @fahim_arif
    @fahim_arif 10 лет назад +2

    I dont mean to offensive or anything. Just curious. Whats up with her hair?

  • @ilolicarly252
    @ilolicarly252 10 лет назад +1

    can we choose an author? I would love to write a short story or dialogue based on there writing style

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад +2

      Well, an author is a literary artist, so definitely!

  • @roof2093
    @roof2093 10 лет назад

    i think ill create some art in the form of music influenced by the style of Stevie Ray Vaughan and Rory Gallagher......i have my work cut out for me

  • @npcKee
    @npcKee 10 лет назад

    Does music count as "making"? (i.e. writing or covering a song)

  • @leukocyteofdoom
    @leukocyteofdoom 10 лет назад +4

    i though this art assignment was gonna be a three-step exercise, like:
    1. find a liquor store
    2. drink the liquor store
    3. go forth and create art *_under the influence_*, preferably whilst chanting anything from bukowski's extensive bibliography

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +2

      Hahaha. Will keep this variation under consideration.

  • @SeanLamb-I-Am
    @SeanLamb-I-Am 10 лет назад +1

    Cool! This is an assignment that I've been doing for a while in my photography. It can take me a little longer to find the right situation for an emulation photograph, but I do them when I see them. The example that I've got uploaded right now is inspired by a photograph by Jack Delano from May 1943; the original photo (part of the FSA/OWI collection) shows a railroad towerman at Proviso Yard in Chicago - www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsac.1a34682/?co=fsac . My emulation shows a modern towerman at Galesburg Yard in Illinois - seanlambphoto.com/personal-work/trains-and-models/img_8631.jpg.php .
    It took me some time from seeing the inspiration photo to making my photo because it's pretty rare these days that people who don't work for railroads are allowed in yard control towers. In this case, I was granted access as a participant in a tour of the yard.

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +2

      This is great. Aside from subject matter, how does the manner in which you photograph change when you're making an emulation photo?

  • @theendheroartist9151
    @theendheroartist9151 9 лет назад

    I know I am quite late for this project. I have been working on it for a very long time because it is very close to my heart.
    theendhero.tumblr.com/
    Although not all of the comic relates to the assignment chapter one is heavily influenced by watching this video. It helped me to finally figured out the way I was going to tell my story. It is a story about bullying self harm and becoming a hero to yourself in spite of what others say. I hope you enjoy and Thank you Sarah for leading this channel in such an helpful and open way.

  • @SomeoneCalledDana
    @SomeoneCalledDana 10 лет назад

    Has anyone else noticed their matching nail polish? I wonder what the story behind that is.

  • @leafgreen92
    @leafgreen92 10 лет назад

    They're so sweet. Unlike them, I'm the odd one out in my family :)

  • @EasterWitch
    @EasterWitch 10 лет назад +2

    I thought Bill Bailey was the only long haired bald person in the world...

  • @nyanko08
    @nyanko08 10 лет назад

    This is somewhat the reverse of fanart. Where fanart is taking a story/characters/concept you are inspired by and reworking them in your own style, this is this opposite.

  • @hurlebibi
    @hurlebibi 10 лет назад +2

    Why does all of those arts assigments must be so ...abstract and inhuman?
    Don't get me wrong, most of them are pretty interresting, and are defenitively art. But I'm starting, after eleven video, to feel that all of what I love about art is getting looked upon by some sort of "official modern art"... :/
    Sharing moments, and experiences, and abstract visions of your subsconscient is definitively a part of modern art.
    But so are capturing human expression, human emotion, trying to drawn/sculpt/take a picture of some human (or animal) interaction that gets you out there...toying with colors until you find the one that gets you...creating your own world, your own creatures. Finding which music note/harmony correspond to your inside, to or to humanity. Anything more personal really :/
    The biggest example would be the last one, with the rug. I do understand the meaning of this piece of art, I did feel the emotion he was trying to get through with these handmade rug...but that's his story, with his background and his feelings. Frankly, I wouldn't have had made this rug even If I had the material at hand at the time. I don't share with rugs. Mine would maybe be pretty, but deeply meaningless and useless. For him the action was personnal, a way to create something that show what was inside of him. For us this action would be the creation of a weird rug.
    This one can be interpreted more personally (well...really doesn't have to, but can.), thus giving the one compulsory counterexample for this debate. But in global, that's really the feeling I get more and more :/

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 10 лет назад +1

      Of course, you don't have to follow the assignment to the letter. Think of it as a starting point for you to pursue your own thoughts and feelings.

    • @ljmastertroll
      @ljmastertroll 10 лет назад +1

      This is like taking a walk in someone else's shoes. It is something only humans can do.

    • @hurlebibi
      @hurlebibi 10 лет назад

      David Shi ***** Making this rug is not walking in this artist shoes, It's just making a rug. Forcing ourselves to understand the train of thought that lead him to this rug, and following this same though pattern to arrive to your own version of sharing would have be walking in his shoes.
      Here, it's just making a rug.
      "you don't have to follow the assignment to the letter" --> Yeah, but here the assigment are so specific that to make your own version of it, you have to purposely twist the rules. That kinda defeats the purpose.

  • @gemmaohlemacher
    @gemmaohlemacher 10 лет назад

    *Sarah

  • @XaniaMore
    @XaniaMore 10 лет назад

    :)

  • @lagnajita4898
    @lagnajita4898 10 лет назад

    i love this! I would be so stoked if ya checked out ma covers on ma channel!

  • @pete275
    @pete275 10 лет назад

    lol @ the use of the word "famously", that's a bit self centered isn't it? who cares which countries he never visited?

  • @BenWrightsamui
    @BenWrightsamui 10 лет назад +3

    Their art was really...ugly.

    • @eron2216
      @eron2216 10 лет назад +6

      There is no ugly art, only ugly perceptions.

    • @BenWrightsamui
      @BenWrightsamui 10 лет назад +4

      othersidin g did you like it?
      I'd like to understand what the appeal is. To me it kind of just looks like a bunch of junk.

    • @theartassignment
      @theartassignment  10 лет назад +21

      Both Peggy and Garry's aesthetics are very different, but they both in their own way work with ideas of ugliness (for Peggy through a very studied critique of branding and contemporary culture) and materials considered "junk" (for Garry, working with "low" materials or quite literally trash). It's certainly legitimate to not like either or both artists' work, but I think it can be interesting to think about what "ugly" means, how "ugly" is different for different people, and how ugly or degraded things can sometimes be beautiful. I thought this was a really interesting question, and thanks for posing it.

    • @BenWrightsamui
      @BenWrightsamui 10 лет назад +5

      The Art Assignment thanks for the reply. I still don't think the work appeals to me, but I can better understand the 'why' behind it.