9:31 I don't think it works like you describe it. Mastery casts the spells at the same time, so even if you can choose the order to cast, you still have to cast all of them before Judith triggers. Still tho, nice deck 😏
Oh my good god you're right. That actually sucks. It still fits for the recursion of each card it can cast but dang. That actually sucks. I've had a lot of people tell me things I said are wrong and usually i just misspoke or the wording was confusing, this was just straight up wrong. Absolutely phenomenal catch!!! I'ma pin it, its super important.
@@PowerBudgetTCG ok so i did some sluthing and talked with some judges...two things. firstly mizzix's mastery says you "may" cast those spells. this is an term allowing you to choose some spells, not to cast, if you dont want to or cant afford extra costs(this also means you can avoid killing yourself with "every player" damage spells). secondly judith would see every spell cast with mizzix's mastery. they may all be cast at that same moment but they all go on the stack in any chosen order and resolve as normal. meaning you are/were somewhat correct with the timing. how ever you will only have 1 imp you could sac during this interaction and thats from judiths trigger on mizzix's mastery. so if you have 6 spells in the grave from MM and 2 are sac spells and 4 are burn spells. you can only cast one of the sac spells without sacing judith(or another key piece). so you have to choose not to cast one of the sac spells and then you throw all the other spells on the stack in what ever order you feel like and remove the imp when the sac spell goes on the stack then add 5 judith triggers at the top of the stack. this is also when you would make treasures with storm-kiln. its annoyingly complicated but you can add the lifelink and deathtouch to all those tasty spells. so the feeling of watching 20-25 spells fly off the handle from your grave will be glorious as your life pool floods and your opponents will drain dry as will their creatures.
I never liked my friends, but thanks to this deck, it only cost $20 to remove them from my game and my life! Thanks for the awesome deck, keep up the amazing work!!
@@jauntyjack The shipping on TCG player can be a real pain. Most every deck is costed by price per card and excludes shipping. When doing TCG player thats what gets ya, and Card Kingdom has price minimums too so you could get locked into a more expensive version of a card. Here's a pro tip (not a joke either): To maximize shipping cost when i buy my decks I usually save up a couple at a time then buy them at once. Its usially a whole lot closer to the stated price for each deck since a place could have more pieces for each of the other decks and it minimizes shipping. And don't forget to maximize your potential by "Optimizing Cart" and letting damaged cards get sold. They need homes too and most of the time the damage isnt that bad.
you know, it's too bad that Chicago is so far from where I am because it sounds like it would be fun to go and see you and other MtG personalities. Also playing Commander with a wider variety of players would be neat too.@@PowerBudgetTCG
Omg. I just watched your Elminster video. Liked and subscribed. Then saw Judith on your channel. That’s another one of my favorite decks. I built it from scratch. And I can’t play it because my play group hates it. But I will again take your suggestions and board wipe less and imp more. That should make it more fun. Thanks man.
Legit have been looking at building a Judith deck and my budget is low at the moment. This video popped up in my recommended feed. Fits exactly what I was looking for and you've got a charismatic personality. You've earned a sub and I look forward to more content!
this has always seemed like a commander that looks like it does more than it actually does. In the end, a lot of storm decks fall into this trap where all the cards are fantastic with the commander out, but without the commander you're doing.... pretty much nothing. And when you have to wait for 5 mana to get your commander out, (or 6 mana to get it out and protect it), you just aren't doing anything for most of the game. My initial worry was that, while leaning into imps, you wouldn't really have the chance to get enough imps to sacrifice. Most of your cards either pay off for having imps (by being able to sacrifice them for a ton of value), or would rather have deathtouch and lifelink. Looking at the decklist, however, there are still plenty of cards that just serve to get you some cards and some value, and these are perfect for getting the imps needed for a boardstate and for the imp payoffs. This does seem a little slow, but once you have enough mana, doesn't seem too bad. Lastly, I wanted to say I think raphael, fiendish savior would probably be a better include than whip of erebos. It gives all your imps lifelink, but it also buffs them while being a pretty decent threat in the air. While the one red additional is definitely a steep upcost, especially when it competes with your commander for the 5-drop curve (although you probably want to wait until 6 mana to protect judith anyway), I think the extra buff and the threat of a huge board state makes it scary enough to include over whip of erebos.
Yeah, raph is better and actually budget as opposed to the whip. Additionally your observation on the play speed is quite astute. If you notice your playgroup has different deck requirementst (you need more ramp, games end faster, removal is more prevalent) then those would be the areas i'd recommend upgrading. As strong as I can make my decks, a good portion of them are ripe for upgrades. Even without them they still hold up on average though. I played Judith a bunch at Magic Con: Chicago and played as archenemy for a good number of games.
Wait, Judith doesn't just make the basic Devil tokens? Oh no... Also, I know there's an instant or sorcery that deals damage with wither. Do you think that'd be worth running? (It's single target, but I'm still curious on your thoughts)
Awesome rules point to make with that (I think wither is super fun, too)! I assume you're talking about the card Puncture Blast. It deals 3 damage to any target and the spell itself has wither. Even though its placing -1/-1 counters on a creature (if it hits one) but the wording for wither (and infect for that matter) specifically says "Deals damage in the form of -1/-1 counters" so it would still gain the lifelink and deathtouch just the same and gain life and kill the creature the same as 3 damage regular. I would run it if you see a lot of
I can't stop thinking that Mahadi, Emporium Master would be an amazing creature in the deck, with chaos warp not dealing damage and being more expensive, it would be an easy choice! Also amazing video, will definitively build the deck!
I'll let my friends damage themselves: i let them cast spells, kaervek triggers, i'll give em face damage,they mill a card through mindcrank getting more damage, and bloodchief aacension makes this happy time infinite and everybody smiles. Pure joy
I've bought this deck following your list and just started receiving some of the cards ! Can't wait to play it and lose all my friends ! But i've seen that you added Krark, The Thumbless in the deck and some stuff needs to be pointed at : Krark's ability happens at the same time as Judith's so, it's better to put Judith's ability first on the stack, so you can choose the imps and have them even if you lose the coin flip. But, if you win the coin flip, the copy of a spell happens on the stack, which means that it is not casted, so Judith's ability won't trigger. Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe that this is how it works ? Anyway thanks a lot for the cool list, keep up the great work ! Cheers from Paris, France !
Yeah, copied spell means double value, returned spell means you still cast and recieved the imp. A Village Rites cast will require a sacrificed imp and 2 to each opponent. If it comes back Judith still makes another imp and you get to pay one to try again doing to more to each. Once copied it means 4 cards drawn but dont get to make additional imp.
The first win con that actually comes to mind with this commander is Blasphemous act/star of extinction and Toralf, God of Fury. that just straight wins the game as long as your opponents have enough creatures on the board. which isn't many. with everyone at starting life totals, there only needs to be 12 creatures on board under opponents control, and honestly by the time you have Judith, Toralf and blasphemous act cast, there's likely way more creatures and way lower life totals.
This seems like a similar thing I've been looking to build as my "asshole" deck, but I may throw in Ojer Axonil somewhere to pump that ping damage up a little, since I have him kicking about
So, quick queston about the Whip of Erebos inclusion: if you let your commander go to your graveyard after it dies, can you use the Whip's activated ability to squeeze out one more turn of her? I imagine that this isn't very useful at the start of the game but when she's been killed three or four times it might come in handy, right?
Yep, that would absolutely work. It'll exile her and you can choose the command zone when that happens, but be very careful with that because the whip forces you to activate it at sorcery speed. So if you put Judith to the grave and someone removes the whip before you get back to your turn she is stuck there until you somehow move her out of there which the base deck doesn't have.
Brother in Christ, you are too funny! Love your vids. Here is my token of admiration (i.e. sub) and i super excited about what is coming in the future. I ve instantly ordered this deck btw, its gonna finally fill the rakdos deck slot in my collection. ALSO I included Raphael, it might not be the best card in this deck but felt on theme.
Here's a pretty affordable upgrade: Sanguine Bond. It turns all your lifelink life gain into extra damage. Not every black lifegain deck needs to be an Sanguine Bond / Equisite Blood combo, especially when you have a huge source of lifegain on your commander, and Sanguine Bond is definitely the cheaper of the two cards.
@PowerBudgetTCG yup, give an equipment like Mithril Coat and cast Evincar's Justice each turn. 2 Damage to everything and gain lots of life and kill everything. Lol. On an unrelated note, I'm not allowed to play this any more
I think you want to run something like "Not Dead After All" over "Armor of Shadows". Protects Judith against destruction AND -X/-X effects. Plus if she is targeted for exile, you can use one of your sac effects to kill her then reanimate her.
This falls into the "so gross it's practically no fun to play" category. Recent includes: Marvo, Deep Operative, Heliod, the Radiant Dawn... (what else?)
Yes shes fun but only can bust out the deck once in a while.. star of extinction made the list for me aswell and i gained 440 life in a turn.. queue aetherflux reservoir
I don't really see anything THAT egregious against rule 0 in the list. It's a good deck that does a lot with its limited budget, but this shouldn't cause much table flipping among reasonable players. The commander costs five so without the expensive fast mana to ramp her out the deck immediately becomes much more fair. Players should have a board to meet with your deck by the time it gets going. Additionally, the plays that cause huge swings in life require multiple cards to set up and substantial mana which make them fair finishers. That's not at all a criticism! I think it's fun and a perfect example good sporting casual!
9:31 I don't think it works like you describe it. Mastery casts the spells at the same time, so even if you can choose the order to cast, you still have to cast all of them before Judith triggers. Still tho, nice deck 😏
Oh my good god you're right. That actually sucks. It still fits for the recursion of each card it can cast but dang. That actually sucks. I've had a lot of people tell me things I said are wrong and usually i just misspoke or the wording was confusing, this was just straight up wrong. Absolutely phenomenal catch!!! I'ma pin it, its super important.
As long as there are a few imps already on the battlefield, it still works great.
@@PowerBudgetTCG ok so i did some sluthing and talked with some judges...two things.
firstly mizzix's mastery says you "may" cast those spells. this is an term allowing you to choose some spells, not to cast, if you dont want to or cant afford extra costs(this also means you can avoid killing yourself with "every player" damage spells).
secondly judith would see every spell cast with mizzix's mastery. they may all be cast at that same moment but they all go on the stack in any chosen order and resolve as normal. meaning you are/were somewhat correct with the timing. how ever you will only have 1 imp you could sac during this interaction and thats from judiths trigger on mizzix's mastery. so if you have 6 spells in the grave from MM and 2 are sac spells and 4 are burn spells. you can only cast one of the sac spells without sacing judith(or another key piece). so you have to choose not to cast one of the sac spells and then you throw all the other spells on the stack in what ever order you feel like and remove the imp when the sac spell goes on the stack then add 5 judith triggers at the top of the stack. this is also when you would make treasures with storm-kiln. its annoyingly complicated but you can add the lifelink and deathtouch to all those tasty spells. so the feeling of watching 20-25 spells fly off the handle from your grave will be glorious as your life pool floods and your opponents will drain dry as will their creatures.
I never liked my friends, but thanks to this deck, it only cost $20 to remove them from my game and my life!
Thanks for the awesome deck, keep up the amazing work!!
Glad I could help!
How do you get for 20? I put into TCGplayer and it is asking way more than 20.
@@jauntyjack I knew a guy… until I played a game with him using the deck…
@@jauntyjack The shipping on TCG player can be a real pain. Most every deck is costed by price per card and excludes shipping. When doing TCG player thats what gets ya, and Card Kingdom has price minimums too so you could get locked into a more expensive version of a card.
Here's a pro tip (not a joke either):
To maximize shipping cost when i buy my decks I usually save up a couple at a time then buy them at once. Its usially a whole lot closer to the stated price for each deck since a place could have more pieces for each of the other decks and it minimizes shipping.
And don't forget to maximize your potential by "Optimizing Cart" and letting damaged cards get sold. They need homes too and most of the time the damage isnt that bad.
my favorite part is when my playgroup realizes what is happening and they are powerless to stop it.
Thats the fun of the ping tribe!
you know, it's too bad that Chicago is so far from where I am because it sounds like it would be fun to go and see you and other MtG personalities. Also playing Commander with a wider variety of players would be neat too.@@PowerBudgetTCG
😢 It won't be as fun without u!
First video I've seen, really solid content man. Severly under-viewed, keep it up. Looking forward to this channel getting the views it deserves.
Danks 🖖
Now this was fun, what do you think of the build?
mmm mmm good. nice and spicy
2 words, Harmonic Prodigy
Oh yeah!
Omg. I just watched your Elminster video. Liked and subscribed. Then saw Judith on your channel. That’s another one of my favorite decks. I built it from scratch. And I can’t play it because my play group hates it. But I will again take your suggestions and board wipe less and imp more. That should make it more fun. Thanks man.
Legit have been looking at building a Judith deck and my budget is low at the moment. This video popped up in my recommended feed. Fits exactly what I was looking for and you've got a charismatic personality. You've earned a sub and I look forward to more content!
The opening on this video is great.
Good quality video, I love budget builds that turn into powerful fun stuff. Good stuff man I’m def subbing.
this has always seemed like a commander that looks like it does more than it actually does. In the end, a lot of storm decks fall into this trap where all the cards are fantastic with the commander out, but without the commander you're doing.... pretty much nothing. And when you have to wait for 5 mana to get your commander out, (or 6 mana to get it out and protect it), you just aren't doing anything for most of the game.
My initial worry was that, while leaning into imps, you wouldn't really have the chance to get enough imps to sacrifice. Most of your cards either pay off for having imps (by being able to sacrifice them for a ton of value), or would rather have deathtouch and lifelink. Looking at the decklist, however, there are still plenty of cards that just serve to get you some cards and some value, and these are perfect for getting the imps needed for a boardstate and for the imp payoffs. This does seem a little slow, but once you have enough mana, doesn't seem too bad.
Lastly, I wanted to say I think raphael, fiendish savior would probably be a better include than whip of erebos. It gives all your imps lifelink, but it also buffs them while being a pretty decent threat in the air. While the one red additional is definitely a steep upcost, especially when it competes with your commander for the 5-drop curve (although you probably want to wait until 6 mana to protect judith anyway), I think the extra buff and the threat of a huge board state makes it scary enough to include over whip of erebos.
Yeah, raph is better and actually budget as opposed to the whip.
Additionally your observation on the play speed is quite astute. If you notice your playgroup has different deck requirementst (you need more ramp, games end faster, removal is more prevalent) then those would be the areas i'd recommend upgrading. As strong as I can make my decks, a good portion of them are ripe for upgrades. Even without them they still hold up on average though. I played Judith a bunch at Magic Con: Chicago and played as archenemy for a good number of games.
Huge fan of the the New Judith Card, nice analysis!
Wait, Judith doesn't just make the basic Devil tokens? Oh no...
Also, I know there's an instant or sorcery that deals damage with wither. Do you think that'd be worth running? (It's single target, but I'm still curious on your thoughts)
Awesome rules point to make with that (I think wither is super fun, too)! I assume you're talking about the card Puncture Blast. It deals 3 damage to any target and the spell itself has wither. Even though its placing -1/-1 counters on a creature (if it hits one) but the wording for wither (and infect for that matter) specifically says "Deals damage in the form of -1/-1 counters" so it would still gain the lifelink and deathtouch just the same and gain life and kill the creature the same as 3 damage regular. I would run it if you see a lot of
I can't stop thinking that Mahadi, Emporium Master would be an amazing creature in the deck, with chaos warp not dealing damage and being more expensive, it would be an easy choice!
Also amazing video, will definitively build the deck!
I love mahadi! I learned about that card after building this deck.
that deck is fun. kinda similar to my kaervek deck. my playgroup LOVES it. really. xD
I sometimes ping each creature for 1 to make an imp, then just follow it up with a deathtouch ping just to show how fun I am at parties.
I'll let my friends damage themselves:
i let them cast spells, kaervek triggers, i'll give em face damage,they mill a card through mindcrank getting more damage, and bloodchief aacension makes this happy time infinite and everybody smiles. Pure joy
I've bought this deck following your list and just started receiving some of the cards !
Can't wait to play it and lose all my friends !
But i've seen that you added Krark, The Thumbless in the deck and some stuff needs to be pointed at :
Krark's ability happens at the same time as Judith's so, it's better to put Judith's ability first on the stack, so you can choose the imps and have them even if you lose the coin flip.
But, if you win the coin flip, the copy of a spell happens on the stack, which means that it is not casted, so Judith's ability won't trigger.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe that this is how it works ?
Anyway thanks a lot for the cool list, keep up the great work ! Cheers from Paris, France !
Yeah, copied spell means double value, returned spell means you still cast and recieved the imp. A Village Rites cast will require a sacrificed imp and 2 to each opponent. If it comes back Judith still makes another imp and you get to pay one to try again doing to more to each. Once copied it means 4 cards drawn but dont get to make additional imp.
The first win con that actually comes to mind with this commander is Blasphemous act/star of extinction and Toralf, God of Fury. that just straight wins the game as long as your opponents have enough creatures on the board. which isn't many. with everyone at starting life totals, there only needs to be 12 creatures on board under opponents control, and honestly by the time you have Judith, Toralf and blasphemous act cast, there's likely way more creatures and way lower life totals.
As an almost exclusive Rakdos player I see this as an absolute win, also I'll probably include end the festivities and meathook in my version
I didnt even consider the basic aristocrat strats! Thats a really obvious and powerful upgrade.
Bloodchief ascension and mindcrank also works like a charm 🖤
awesome video i am gonna watch a bunch more now
Instantly subbed on Joven pfp. He is a meme icon in my playgroup.
At magic con now and just got him subbed by the Douglas Schuler. He was impressed.
Forget the deck, i subbed because you are a solid player and content creator! This is the first vid ive seen but bravo man!
the stanly parable intro is just yes
Always love those budget deck teck , like to buy those deck blindly then upgrade them slowly
Giving meh cards good homes!
did you consider tucking in a Spike Field Hazard?
That would be perfect! It fits as a one time death trigger shutdown and secondarily is good as just a tap land.
@PowerBudgetTCG love that run of lands~
Surprised you aren't more popular.
Love the editing/music choices in this! Keep it up and I look forward to more videos!
Just came your channel. Its legit. Instant sub.
If you REALLY REALLY dont want any friends run Sanguine Bond and Wheel of Misfortune. Secretly pick your archenemies life total and watch them cry!
Lemme check that combo real quick.
Eww, i love it.
WHAAAAT THIS IS DAMN FUN. Going to build that NOW
This seems like a similar thing I've been looking to build as my "asshole" deck, but I may throw in Ojer Axonil somewhere to pump that ping damage up a little, since I have him kicking about
Thats actually super good. Careful tho, if you run torbran or other replacement effects it'll be up to the opponent/opponents how they stack.
What would you cut for Torbran and Whip?
General rules for cuts would be not lands. Cut a non-sacrifice card draw for torbran and a targeted removal for whip
Dude! Great content!!! You’ve earned my sub!!
Hecks yes! Welcome to the Power Pack!
So, quick queston about the Whip of Erebos inclusion: if you let your commander go to your graveyard after it dies, can you use the Whip's activated ability to squeeze out one more turn of her? I imagine that this isn't very useful at the start of the game but when she's been killed three or four times it might come in handy, right?
Yep, that would absolutely work. It'll exile her and you can choose the command zone when that happens, but be very careful with that because the whip forces you to activate it at sorcery speed. So if you put Judith to the grave and someone removes the whip before you get back to your turn she is stuck there until you somehow move her out of there which the base deck doesn't have.
Brother in Christ, you are too funny! Love your vids. Here is my token of admiration (i.e. sub) and i super excited about what is coming in the future. I ve instantly ordered this deck btw, its gonna finally fill the rakdos deck slot in my collection. ALSO I included Raphael, it might not be the best card in this deck but felt on theme.
Hit that friend button, you deserve it. I hope to see more from you pop up on the feed. Rakdos for life on my end, so you know I want those imps.
Here's a pretty affordable upgrade: Sanguine Bond. It turns all your lifelink life gain into extra damage.
Not every black lifegain deck needs to be an Sanguine Bond / Equisite Blood combo, especially when you have a huge source of lifegain on your commander, and Sanguine Bond is definitely the cheaper of the two cards.
Oh yeah, totally forgot about that. I usually loop the two, but thats really potent here.
Hmm, I guess I was too mean with including Envincar's Justice and Fanning the Flames, for a good old buyback craziness =p
Oh god buyback is icky here.
@PowerBudgetTCG yup, give an equipment like Mithril Coat and cast Evincar's Justice each turn. 2 Damage to everything and gain lots of life and kill everything. Lol. On an unrelated note, I'm not allowed to play this any more
I think you want to run something like "Not Dead After All" over "Armor of Shadows". Protects Judith against destruction AND -X/-X effects. Plus if she is targeted for exile, you can use one of your sac effects to kill her then reanimate her.
not a bad choice
Commenting because you deserve allllll the algo love
😁 ima get it.
Are you bringing this deck with you to magic con?
Yes I am. I'll have this, Abdel Adrian, Yedora, a Joven Deck and a good few others.
Great video!
ok ok ok !.. I'll buy this...
breh quit makin me wanna build more decks lol i cant afford that sht
awesome vid btw love ur intro skits
Come on, be made of money 🤑🤑
This falls into the "so gross it's practically no fun to play" category. Recent includes: Marvo, Deep Operative, Heliod, the Radiant Dawn... (what else?)
Edgar Markov, any Turn 2 combo deck, Clue...
good video sir
Blood funnel is a card :D
You play Browbeat = autosub
Cool Deck! Cool Dude!
#dftba ❤
adorei esse deck, incrível lol grimorios malignos são sempre mais divertidos.
So true!
Raphael Fiendish Savior costs 1 more mana than Whip of Erebos, but can give all your Imps Lifelink for only like 15 cents.
Huh, I didnt catch that. Good find!
Yes shes fun but only can bust out the deck once in a while.. star of extinction made the list for me aswell and i gained 440 life in a turn.. queue aetherflux reservoir
And that is why i limited it, lol.
I don't really see anything THAT egregious against rule 0 in the list. It's a good deck that does a lot with its limited budget, but this shouldn't cause much table flipping among reasonable players. The commander costs five so without the expensive fast mana to ramp her out the deck immediately becomes much more fair. Players should have a board to meet with your deck by the time it gets going. Additionally, the plays that cause huge swings in life require multiple cards to set up and substantial mana which make them fair finishers.
That's not at all a criticism! I think it's fun and a perfect example good sporting casual!
I mean in a lot of the pods i played it in during Magic Con they weren't exactly thrilled after the 4th wipe.
@@PowerBudgetTCG Those decks needed way more interaction and variety then. :s
If a deck's only wincon falls apart to boardwipes it needs work!
4:12 kaya ghostform helps for exile
Probably out of budget tho
I mean, its not prohibitive tho. I'd run it if u got it.
And I'm not?!
If you were you wouldn't question it. 🤔
Oh right, a lot like Ghyrson Starn, gross!
I had to look them up and yeah, gross. Also why does everything just have ward now?
and don't come back!
Everyone hates winners 😏
@@PowerBudgetTCG 🍗
aaaaaaaannnnnnd 6 months later the deck is 51$ and change
I got it at $16.69. Sometimes the default sets it to a specific site rather than the cheapest option.