Tom Holland's Confessions - Islam, Christianity and ancient power
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Giles Fraser talks to bestselling ancient historian Tom Holland about Islam, rock star Gods, the collapse of ancient empires and being on the side of Pontius Pilate.
GILES: Another great guest. Recently finished 'DOMINION', and greatly enjoyed it. Impressed with your programme so far. So envious of your trip to St Catherine's Monastery! I have been on a similar journey to you: introduced to 'Vom Reimarus zu Wrede' in the 1970s, and the Quest for the Historical Jesus. But the remainder of my life, thus far, has been to recover the simplicity of my Christian faith, through a 'high' Christology. And I hold to that; even as a member of the SEA OF FAITH NETWORK! TOM: Your finest point is where you comment on us being "de-sensitised" to the sheer, unimaginable horror of the Cross! This symbol remains my entire Theology in one symbol! TOM: If you are concerned about 'The Mesozoic', read Richard Rohr's 'THE UNIVERSAL CHRIST' in which he points out that YHWH was revealing himself through Creation, well before there were any 'observers'; and that this 'revelation' did not come to a grinding halt with the 'event' we know as the life, death and teaching of one particular Jewish man, Jesus of Nazareth.
I love listening to this man talk!
Tom Holland is a brave man and a great writer.
As a Muslim I am impressed by the way Tom has put his book together in a scholarly fashion, I watched a lecture which had no comment section while the comment section is available here but the topic has changed, it would not be right to point out a question from a different speech, interesting video nonetheless
Very interesting discussion . Thanks
Pity Tom Holland didn’t continue his parallel between St Paul with emperor Constantine in one hand and Caliph Abdul Malik on the other and this Abdul Malik building the Dome of the Rock sending a message to Byzantine that from now on he is in charge of the Fertile Crescent. It was at this very juncture when Abdul Malik again started calling his rule of Believers to Islam.
Cross was always the instrument of torture and death, Christianity added betrayal which made the Christian cross the symbol of death, torture and betrayal. It is the betrayal that triiggered Christian theology and it's eschatology.
Tom Holland plays Spiderman, not Superman. lol
Although its unlikely any supernatural Gods exist, it is interesting to debate why humans have the belief.
Quite the opposite.
This world was created by genius. No way could it have been random.
@@davegibbs6423
Gravity played a major part of the world being formed around 5 billion years ago.
Re: In my youth I found the Roman religions more sexy than the monotheistic religions.
You ain't the only one. Up until very recently, every Pope had an official astrologer.
Islamic history may be untrue because its hard too fathom the facts that two cities or (makkah and madina) where able too conquer two empires that consisted of many many cities.
@Osman Carrim
The was never any reason or requirement too spread the words of Muhammed(the Quran)
It surviving till today ,indicates that Quran is too much of a masterpiece.the Quran is its own boss!!people go too IT and not the other way round as our traditions will have us believing.
@Osman Carrim .it the Quran is never a book too be used too cohurst other!!so the traditions and its Wars are false.
The false masjid al aqsa traditions started wat we now know as 'religion of Islam.
Masjid al aqsa origin was at Ethiopia! Evidence shows so.thanks
Islamic tradition claims ,believer were fighting and killing believers ! Is that possible? Its impossible .
Mecca did not exist. It was created after the Arab conquests by the Abbasids. The Arabs were among the Byzantines and Persians. Byzantines hired Arabs as mercenary group to stop the raids of the Sassian affiliated Lakmids. When the Byzantines spent most of their money to eliminate the Sassian enemy, they weakened themselves, which allowed the Arabs fill in the power gap. The Byzantines did not recover because of a century of plague and wars from all sides among other things. It was no miracle from Allah. Just a matter of circumstances. Islam is not as foreign as Muslims claim to be. Muhammad also didn't recite the Quran we see the today much less in Arabic.
@@samuelmorales2344. Claim is makkah was always in Saudi, and it was controlled by the people of india(its a claim).
Now as for Maacah, its always existed and near Dan which is not far from Damascus.
And as for the abasids, they are the enemy of the quran. That is why they invented sassanid Arabic, which replaced the quran arabic language and many quran word's were given New definitions.
Umar was the real profit Muhammed
Moshe is Sargon and jesus is mithra.
This is a like taking a lecture on space technology from Kim Kardashian.
How so? Explain
@Red Dead as a muslim, i agree with RED DEAD
He is no historian, he should have stuck to fiction writing.
This guy is a joke .
Wow. Very interesting contribution you decided to leave for posterity.
Muhammad was a joke...his name was not even Muhammad but Umar the real Muhammed
Massive misunderstanding of Christianity. If Christ stays stuck on the cross and weakness is strength we can use all this Christianity politically to turn over the culture to the emerging group-think and socialist dream.
Christ arose is our strength and that is the only thing that made a difference. Without the resurrection, says Paul, our faith is totally vain.
Strange how no one has a problem when it comes to appropriating Christianity willy nilly. Whatever you want it to mean is considered a compliment, especially from a professor. Yet Paul cursed those who were preaching distortions of the gospel.
Tom has made conscious how western academic culture is wrongfully appropriating the meaning & symbol of the victimhood/the cross for its own pseudo-religious/political meaning. However interesting, this is a terrible wrong interpretation of Christianity. Simply more leftist domination for it's own ends.
To actual hold to a Christianity that believes something specific based on clear scripture is passe and not radical enough anymore. So they do what they want with Christianity, like cannibals eating it to feed their own ideas.
Take a look at Philippians 2:1-11. Christ is the suffering Saviour whose triumph over death only comes through death and his own self-offering. It's a paradox. Also, "the first shall be last and the last shall be first." Christian identity is as being a part of the Body of Christ. We are never unattached individuals, while at the same time we are loved uniquely and completely and personally by God. The entire civil rights movement in the US, under the leadership of the Rev Dr Martin Luther King (and others) is based on the God-given dignity of every human being, and the unmasking and under-cutting of violence and oppression by the power of non-violence and the strength of love.