It's a nice body and core. It's just the pinning that's terrible. Replace one of those standards with a spool and another with a pin-in-pin, and it would thwart most amateurs. Pretty nice base lock for a security conversion!
He did a followup video where the ramset opened up the lock (blew out its guts) with one hit to a weak spot. I agree that this lock is good overall, but alas and alack, it looks like all locks have short comings one way or another. An ASSA Twin core could be an improvement as well, but with the ease of hitting it in the weak spot dumping the bottom right out of the lock, it would need more protection. I do wonder what padlock lock would be better than this one.
Your Like to Dislike ratio is an achievement and I wish to congratulate you and the good work. Pleasing so many people in such a positive way must make you proud that 99% of viewers like your content and skills. I like your voice and concise way of explaining the nuances to picking. 😁
I bought this lock on Amazon after reading some stellar reviews only for it to fail to open after 4 months of indoor use. I kept it well oiled and everything. Had to call a locksmith who not surprisingly enough opted to go for the clasp after a few tries with the padlock. It's a great lock but beware. Now am just sitted here with a closed lock that won't open all the way.. tLdR: Looking for a reliable lock, look elsewhere...
I want to say it has 8 minutes of pick resistance to the novice, (but I can't. ) I also love the lighting in your videos, the video was so clear I could almost tell how much tension pressure you had tension wrench. nicely done.
It really seems that the manufacturers worry way less if at all about the locks gettiing picked and primarily focus on protection from drills, grinders and cutters.
There's a RUclips channel called Brute4rce. He made 2 cuts in the Stanley shackle in about 15 seconds with a $30 set of Harbor Freight bolt cutters. So much for that.....eh?
I pinned up one of these for a friend to match his Schlage house key. I had to remove the keyway anti-drill plate and grind the opening in the cylinder retainer larger to accept the shoulder stop of the genuine Schlage key. The shoulder arrangement on the Stanley key is set up to bypass the anti-drill plate, whereas the Schlage key is not. Stanley is deceptive in their advertising stating that these can be keyed to SC1 keys.
LockPickingLawyer I suppose unless you want to eliminate all combinations without at least 2 deep key cuts, this is gonna be a problem in some of your locks.
im sorry... but i aint sure this guys critiques mean much. he is, apparently a true expert. ive watched others on here... this guy opens locks in mins that other "experts" cant open at all. much props to you LPL but your an outlier.
so when you lose your property because your lock was defeated. you can thank videos like this one that helps thieves learn everything they need to know as to how to conquer your locks.
Seems like the two serrations and the countermining and the anti bump pin with it’s heavy spring might add up to it resists bumping and raking? I sort of wonder what that ASTM certification really means, since it doesn’t mean it takes 8 minutes to pick. But resists bumping and raking seems like a candidate.
I thought that the security pins looked like they were tapered just a bit towards the center, kind of like a spool, but those parts never hit the shear line and therefor probably actually made it easier to pick. But 8 minutes pick resistance? It might take that long if the only tool allowed was paperclips. LoL
10 seconds sounds like the Ramset, but that core does not look susceptible -- unless there is something behind the core that can perhaps be bent or crushed.
But LPL, less than 10 seconds wont be that impressive, you SPP'd it in less than 45 seconds. I know it might sound sick, but I just hope its death is entertaining, unless of course it gets ... a pardon from the governor.
Gah almost as fast as a master to pick! It was between this, an Abus 88/40 or BEST 7-pin and only this Stanley had the hooded shackle so I went with it. What do?
A good heavy looking lock on the outside but, not enough security pins. I have an ACE hardware lock that is a clone to the same style older American lock. All driver pins are security along with all key pins
I was about to buy that $20 6-pin lock. I might still, since it took the master 3 tries. I bet it would stop a random RUclips watcher but not a hobbyist.
Someone should do a video of how best to reassemble the padlock when the entire guts, balls and all, fall out. It was a real pain to get mine back together when the sprung piece fell out.
Great video as usual. One question: do anti-bump pins add any difficulty over standard pins in terms of picking? If so, are they like serated pins, or do they have their own feel?
you and your kind are the reason i use only abloy protect 2 i sleep good knowing no one has ever spp the king abloy...and bares on the windows and custom built doors both are 4 inchs thick. worth every dollar.....the work it takes to get in this home is not worth it...good videos....
They still make decent stuff. I buy their stuff becsue many of their products are not made in China.. Their box cutters are the originals still made in the US.. They also have many Tools from different countries in Europe.. This lock is even made in Taiwan..
This lock has so many internal organs 😂. Which makes me doubt about the security of this one. There shouldn't be "parts" of so much metal in a padlock??? Really, this is the reason why ABUS is way more secure. They make locks as a locks in full meaning.
Blow.. it.. up!.. Crap-lock manufacturers can put anything on their packages and never pay the price... it's time for that to end {at least for that particular lock}.
Dave Joseph no. if you look at the top and bottom of the driver pin it has a slightly reduced diameter kind of like the shape of a soda can. by making it that shape it is supposed to make it catch there while trying to bump it. not sure how effective it really is but that is why it is called the anti bump pin.
The steel spring is much stronger than the brass springs. The stronger spring helps push the anti bump pin down faster and with more force to help it catch the shear line and hang up.
A stiffer spring that takes more force to lift. It works against bumping because it means that the drivers will move upwards at different speeds, making it less likely to bump them all past the shear line simultaneously.
There's really no such thing as an impossible-to-bump lock, just stupidly improbable. Bumping is a bit like throwing a bunch of pennies up in the air and hoping they all come down heads. If you just have two pennies, it's pretty likely (25% actually) but if you have 100, you're going to be waiting a while.... (1/(2^100) is a VERY long while).
It has become apparent to me that all the locks I've seen you pick follow a typical method of basic construction in their operation. I'm no lock-smith nor lock picker, I'm just a curious casual observer. But I have to question, why are all the locks you pick apparently with their pins all inline similar to an inline cylinder engine. Why not a lock with pins that are radially offset at varying angles and distances?
Not quite "Meth head with hairpins from bloody purse he found" approved, it obviously does take skill but seems a very straightforward pick. IMO 8 minutes of pick resistance is some Meth Head holding tension and raking raking raking with tools till it comes open.
I have yet to see him show any lock he can't pick, except that one where the pins have a guard over them and the key has a notched out section. Don't worry about it though, if someone wants to get in they can get in. I can cut a square out of a door with a saw in about 1 minute, or slide a hack saw blade behind the latch and cut the screws.
I wonder if anyone has ever unscrewed that Hex Screw & removed it while leaving the rest of the Lock intact just to Prank the Lock Owner next time they open the Lock...? :P
Either your going to grind the bottom screw off or your goung to do something with that screw on the side of the lock. You subject unfortunate locks to cruel and unusual tactics to get in so it could be anything. ;)
8 whole minutes...wow...even more f that had proven to be true, I’d still be underwhelmed... I mean, I know most thieves used low skill destructive attacks but I don’t think I be advertising 8 minutes pick resistance as a selling point...
The whole video was almost 8 min. Maybe the rating includes discussing and gutting the lock showing the components and talking about what you are doing tomorrow.
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Does the 8 minutes of pick resistance included the full disassembly and presentation?
Hahahahaha
Frenchman on the Rooftop 7 minutes
Frenchman on the Rooftop Yes. As well as the intro and outro.
Even with all that, the video is still only 7 minutes, not 8…
With 7.5 minutes of RUclips commercials.
It's a nice body and core. It's just the pinning that's terrible. Replace one of those standards with a spool and another with a pin-in-pin, and it would thwart most amateurs. Pretty nice base lock for a security conversion!
He did a followup video where the ramset opened up the lock (blew out its guts) with one hit to a weak spot. I agree that this lock is good overall, but alas and alack, it looks like all locks have short comings one way or another. An ASSA Twin core could be an improvement as well, but with the ease of hitting it in the weak spot dumping the bottom right out of the lock, it would need more protection. I do wonder what padlock lock would be better than this one.
Your Like to Dislike ratio is an achievement and I wish to congratulate you and the good work. Pleasing so many people in such a positive way must make you proud that 99% of viewers like your content and skills. I like your voice and concise way of explaining the nuances to picking. 😁
Dude, a 35$ lock in 30 seconds. Takes me longer to find the right key xD
Practice
I bought this lock on Amazon after reading some stellar reviews only for it to fail to open after 4 months of indoor use. I kept it well oiled and everything. Had to call a locksmith who not surprisingly enough opted to go for the clasp after a few tries with the padlock. It's a great lock but beware. Now am just sitted here with a closed lock that won't open all the way..
tLdR: Looking for a reliable lock, look elsewhere...
Did you say you kept a *lock* _oiled_? Yeah, no wonder it seized. Don’t do that. It’s a really bad idea.
I want to say it has 8 minutes of pick resistance to the novice, (but I can't. ) I also love the lighting in your videos, the video was so clear I could almost tell how much tension pressure you had tension wrench. nicely done.
It really seems that the manufacturers worry way less if at all about the locks gettiing picked and primarily focus on protection from drills, grinders and cutters.
The destructive entry has me curious as to what it will be. Great video as always. 👏👍
+William Mancel To tease your curiosity... it opens in a couple seconds. 😁
There's a RUclips channel called Brute4rce. He made 2 cuts in the Stanley shackle in about 15 seconds with a $30 set of Harbor Freight bolt cutters. So much for that.....eh?
I pinned up one of these for a friend to match his Schlage house key. I had to remove the keyway anti-drill plate and grind the opening in the cylinder retainer larger to accept the shoulder stop of the genuine Schlage key. The shoulder arrangement on the Stanley key is set up to bypass the anti-drill plate, whereas the Schlage key is not. Stanley is deceptive in their advertising stating that these can be keyed to SC1 keys.
Again .. security pins against long pin drivers, most likely never engaged in the sheer-line.
+DrSid42 Agreed. The bitting was unfortunate. 👎
LockPickingLawyer I suppose unless you want to eliminate all combinations without at least 2 deep key cuts, this is gonna be a problem in some of your locks.
Great picking brother,thanks for the review,always appreciated!
Where's the destructive attack video? I looked through and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss it in the playlist.
Have you tried video #557? ruclips.net/video/Wimo09WV-rY/видео.html
The 8 minute pick resistance claim: LOL, the video isn't even that long - picked in 30 seconds flat.
I want to see how you assemble them back. At least once...
If you check out LPL's video on how to pick proof your kwikset deadbolt.
im sorry... but i aint sure this guys critiques mean much. he is, apparently a true expert. ive watched others on here... this guy opens locks in mins that other "experts" cant open at all. much props to you LPL but your an outlier.
Then he teaches all to do it
Don't forget that people who do these videos pick the locks etc.. Before the video uploaded..
This video is the one after he got it all down perfect..
Missed a great opportunity to test its resistance to your AR on this video
so when you lose your property because your lock was defeated. you can thank videos like this one that helps thieves learn everything they need to know as to how to conquer your locks.
Where is cheapest place to get one of those lock pin trays that you make look so useful?!?😁
Seems like the two serrations and the countermining and the anti bump pin with it’s heavy spring might add up to it resists bumping and raking? I sort of wonder what that ASTM certification really means, since it doesn’t mean it takes 8 minutes to pick. But resists bumping and raking seems like a candidate.
I watch one now im hooked very interesting and find very cool
I thought that the security pins looked like they were tapered just a bit towards the center, kind of like a spool, but those parts never hit the shear line and therefor probably actually made it easier to pick. But 8 minutes pick resistance? It might take that long if the only tool allowed was paperclips. LoL
Obviously it doesn't take 8 minutes for someone who has practised with the exact lock... Even just getting a good look at the key helps a lot.
Condemned? Date with the Ramset? :)
+Kenneth James Maybe... but used in a way you have never seen before (unless you follow me on Twitter). 👍
Can't wait...now to find you on the twitter thing...lol
That lock seems like it has a bit of potential as a good challenge lock or barn security
30 seconds to pick a lock rated at 8 mins.. is that rating for people like me who have no idea how do that magic trick you just did?
I'm guessing some crazy destructive date video. Gonna hold my breath waiting in anticipation. .
+Jeffrey Reindeer Its worth the wait. Less than 10 seconds to open!
10 seconds sounds like the Ramset, but that core does not look susceptible -- unless there is something behind the core that can perhaps be bent or crushed.
I'm turning blue here holding my breath. . Lol
Not sure how he going to do it.BB bashed one to hell and it never opened
But LPL, less than 10 seconds wont be that impressive, you SPP'd it in less than 45 seconds. I know it might sound sick, but I just hope its death is entertaining, unless of course it gets ... a pardon from the governor.
Gah almost as fast as a master to pick! It was between this, an Abus 88/40 or BEST 7-pin and only this Stanley had the hooded shackle so I went with it. What do?
A good heavy looking lock on the outside but, not enough security pins. I have an ACE hardware lock that is a clone to the same style older American lock. All driver pins are security along with all key pins
I was about to buy that $20 6-pin lock. I might still, since it took the master 3 tries. I bet it would stop a random RUclips watcher but not a hobbyist.
Someone should do a video of how best to reassemble the padlock when the entire guts, balls and all, fall out. It was a real pain to get mine back together when the sprung piece fell out.
Great video as usual. One question: do anti-bump pins add any difficulty over standard pins in terms of picking? If so, are they like serated pins, or do they have their own feel?
you and your kind are the reason i use only abloy protect 2 i sleep good knowing no one has ever spp the king abloy...and bares on the windows and custom built doors both are 4 inchs thick. worth every dollar.....the work it takes to get in this home is not worth it...good videos....
M C best practice is just don't make yourself a target.
this makes me cry for stanley knowing its fate...
That key bitting is why you picked it so fast
I could pick that in the package it came in
Stanley were a once great English maker of tools.
They're actually from Connecticut. They acquired J. A. Chapman to enter the British market in 1937.
They still make decent stuff.
I buy their stuff becsue many of their products are not made in China..
Their box cutters are the originals still made in the US..
They also have many Tools from different countries in Europe..
This lock is even made in Taiwan..
That tension tool looks a lot thicker than 25 thousandths.
Can you make a safety video on the ram gun regarding locks I ask as in the UK guns are not the norm
Holy heck 8 minute pick resistant? More like 8 minute disassembly. Just look at all those parts 😮
This lock has so many internal organs 😂. Which makes me doubt about the security of this one. There shouldn't be "parts" of so much metal in a padlock??? Really, this is the reason why ABUS is way more secure. They make locks as a locks in full meaning.
so the core can be replaced. it seems like a strong body lock.
I wanna find this kik cylinder so I can have a countermilled core to make pins for! Doing it manually just isn't perfect
So if I have the Sparrow Reload kit, can I change the driver pins?
Blow.. it.. up!.. Crap-lock manufacturers can put anything on their packages and never pay the price... it's time for that to end {at least for that particular lock}.
Been Pickin lock is only $30 ,what did you expect.I have same lock and it's actually very beefy
oh sh*t. I just bought 2 with abus hardened chain for my rv tire to lock it.
Tension wrench thickness still undetermined, its certainly not the same thickness as his .025 pick. Probably just misspoke, looks like .05 imho
He turned 8 mins into 8 seconds 😂
didn't you already review this in video 163? looks like exact same to me.
By "anti-bump pin" do you mean that driver pin seemed to have an odd weight? Or are you just noting it as being paired with the stronger spring?
Dave Joseph no. if you look at the top and bottom of the driver pin it has a slightly reduced diameter kind of like the shape of a soda can. by making it that shape it is supposed to make it catch there while trying to bump it. not sure how effective it really is but that is why it is called the anti bump pin.
The key pins might be stainless steel.
Is there a lock you couldn't get open no matter what you tried
What makes that spring more powerful than the others? And what's it do exactly?
The steel spring is much stronger than the brass springs. The stronger spring helps push the anti bump pin down faster and with more force to help it catch the shear line and hang up.
A stiffer spring that takes more force to lift. It works against bumping because it means that the drivers will move upwards at different speeds, making it less likely to bump them all past the shear line simultaneously.
So it's just less likely, but still possible? Seems like a neat little gimmick, but it would take, what, 15 more seconds of bumping?
There's really no such thing as an impossible-to-bump lock, just stupidly improbable. Bumping is a bit like throwing a bunch of pennies up in the air and hoping they all come down heads. If you just have two pennies, it's pretty likely (25% actually) but if you have 100, you're going to be waiting a while.... (1/(2^100) is a VERY long while).
It has become apparent to me that all the locks I've seen you pick follow a typical method of basic construction in their operation.
I'm no lock-smith nor lock picker, I'm just a curious casual observer. But I have to question, why are all the locks you pick apparently with their pins all inline similar to an inline cylinder engine. Why not a lock with pins that are radially offset at varying angles and distances?
That is how most locks are designed. I would say though you have not seen many of his videos. He has some weird locks like that.
Not quite "Meth head with hairpins from bloody purse he found" approved, it obviously does take skill but seems a very straightforward pick.
IMO 8 minutes of pick resistance is some Meth Head holding tension and raking raking raking with tools till it comes open.
Where can I find your pinning tray?
+Mitchell Green My house. 😋 I made it myself.
Your friendly local clapped out Bridgeport mill, in other words,
*Casually replaces core with Primus that has spools and serrated pins *
Dang, I use this for my shed. What lock would you suggest for a shed?
I have yet to see him show any lock he can't pick, except that one where the pins have a guard over them and the key has a notched out section. Don't worry about it though, if someone wants to get in they can get in. I can cut a square out of a door with a saw in about 1 minute, or slide a hack saw blade behind the latch and cut the screws.
Paclock. American made, different types including ones that come with the bolt on plates for your shed door.
I wonder if anyone has ever unscrewed that Hex Screw & removed it while leaving the rest of the Lock intact just to Prank the Lock Owner next time they open the Lock...? :P
Where can I find a pinning tray like that
Вот значит кто у меня в гараже лазил
If you remove the shakcle spring, does it make the picking harder or easier?
Shouldn’t make any difference. Tension comes from rotating the core, way before the locking mechanism engages.
What does the ball bearing do?
8 minutes of pick resistance.....if you put a medeco core into it !😂
👍🏻
Maybe they meant 8 seconds of pick resistance lol.
I this it's half descent except the core. Counter milling is good but sme serrated pins would've been better.🍺✌🙃
Either your going to grind the bottom screw off or your goung to do something with that screw on the side of the lock. You subject unfortunate locks to cruel and unusual tactics to get in so it could be anything. ;)
+Smuckers T You are correct... and I open the lock in about 5 seconds! 😁
+Smuckers T Correct about attacking the screw, not about grinding. 👍
LockPickingLawyer shatter the hardend pin with a ramset?
Can not find destructive attack video. Got link?
Nevermind it is the next video. I was searching stanley 24/7.
8 minutes??? Maybe 8 minutes using a Q-tip!
8 minutes in a real life scenario where you are not picking it in the palm of your hand in a easy angle
Don't mock Q-tip lockpicking !
It's offensive for the Q-tip locksport community !
8 whole minutes...wow...even more f that had proven to be true, I’d still be underwhelmed...
I mean, I know most thieves used low skill destructive attacks but I don’t think I be advertising 8 minutes pick resistance as a selling point...
if your name's mike lentsch, it means eight minutes.....
The whole video was almost 8 min. Maybe the rating includes discussing and gutting the lock showing the components and talking about what you are doing tomorrow.
8 minutes of picking........... probably for a noobie
Or an amputee
Wow 30 seconds ish
8mins +-7min and 22sec.
He only picked 3 or 4 of the 6 pins and it opened lmao
Shouldn't Ni-Ag be magnetic?
I never understood why lock picking needs a lawyer...
two clicks from pin 2, a standard pin......
+beepbeepcoyote That's the counter milling. 👍
Have you ever tried to PICK YOURSELF??
Thats just embarrasing🤦
"sniff" "sniff".... does anyone smell that? Smells like someone just shot a .22 in here