L'inde Fantôme Louis Malle, 1969 Choses Vues A Madras Part IV

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  • @gayatrikasinathuni94
    @gayatrikasinathuni94 3 года назад +163

    as someone learning bharatanatyam..their tat tai ta ha in the starting was so good! so strong and crisp..mine is all weak. that step hurts

    • @vardhanarya
      @vardhanarya 3 года назад +1

      you will learn it one day dear.

    • @aryak8412
      @aryak8412 3 года назад

      True!!!!

    • @littlestories4798
      @littlestories4798 3 года назад +4

      Same here.. I thought I was doing good until I saw this video n realized a definition for goodness :-)

    • @gayatrikasinathuni94
      @gayatrikasinathuni94 2 года назад +1

      @@littlestories4798 I know right! Exact same feeling

    • @intothedark222
      @intothedark222 7 месяцев назад +1

      EXACTLY!!! I was SHOOKETH looking at their postures, so strong. ❤

  • @DIYERK72
    @DIYERK72 3 года назад +71

    Reminds me of when we learnt Bharatanatyam. Our guru was relentless, and we also gave it our 100%. She would always say that if somebody woke us up in the middle of the night and played a piece of music we had already learnt, we should be able to do it perfectly. That is how much we practiced. I teach now, and believe me kids today would run if they had to go through the rigorous training we went through. I am for ever indebted to my guru

    • @ns.kha29
      @ns.kha29 3 года назад +2

      Madam invite me to your school, I am of this generation but I would love a guru like yours.

  • @priyadarshinirabha
    @priyadarshinirabha 3 года назад +271

    Beautiful documentary! However, I would like to make a correction here. The student at 8:55 is my Guru Indira P.P Bora. She's from Assam, a state in the nort east of India (not Hassan). She is a prominent figure here and was awarded the prestigious Padma Shri last year.

    • @sriprakhyapochiraju9498
      @sriprakhyapochiraju9498 3 года назад +7

      Couldn't find her content on youtube...but I really want to know more....are there any links available that you could post here?

    • @amandachetty1499
      @amandachetty1499 3 года назад +2

      Which style is this?? Kalakshetra?

    • @sriprakhyapochiraju9498
      @sriprakhyapochiraju9498 3 года назад +5

      @@amandachetty1499 Yes, it's the Kalakshetra Bani

    • @chithiraak
      @chithiraak 3 года назад

      @@sriprakhyapochiraju9498 Indira P P Bora Sathriya dancer from Assam

    • @sriprakhyapochiraju9498
      @sriprakhyapochiraju9498 3 года назад +2

      @@chithiraak ruclips.net/video/rdHyU74uQ18/видео.html
      Finally found her!!!
      Thank you so much!

  • @rprasannakumar
    @rprasannakumar 12 лет назад +68

    Man its so strange to look at the world how it was like years before your were born and became a part of it, looking at 1969 Madras from 2012 Chennai is really strange... its like knowing something that's not around you in its entirety anymore, ......

  • @vijayabs2266
    @vijayabs2266 3 года назад +30

    This reminding my school days. After school me and my sister attend music college dance class. Amost 30 members in class practice bharatha natyam. My favourite dance master Pillai sir teached us dance. He was a great master.

  • @solarhoney
    @solarhoney 10 лет назад +110

    its a sad pity that we are so quick in judging others ...people dont understand french sufficiently, or rely on inaccurate translations... Malle has only expressed the deepest respect and admiration of india. even before he died as a famous for the movies he made - he stated that for him, personally, his best work was these documentaries on india, and not the movies for which the world honoured him ! he died longing to be in india where he felt he had so much to learn, that the West never knew...

    • @spock7945
      @spock7945 6 лет назад +3

      indeed sad, if true. although i'm not really aware of the dynamics of the socio-political life back then.
      or the motivations of the political class to get sooo triggered!

  • @adimentsu
    @adimentsu 8 лет назад +87

    louis malle has tried his best to understand the indic way of living, i dont know why government back then felt so appalled by it, i guess its in our minds that sets us back and not to appreciate our own culture. the fact that for quite a long time we were belittled under imperialism. But yes after so many years a new generation has emerged who dont feel that way. its about sharing and we shall do it. I do thank louis malle for capturing his moments in India

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +3

      I think the Indian government was more upset by his documentary on Calcutta than this .

    • @vardhanarya
      @vardhanarya 3 года назад +1

      @@rao8559 what was the issue ?pls explain. what did the govt do ?

    • @elssa2tan
      @elssa2tan 3 года назад +2

      I speak french fluently (being of Indian origin and living in Mauritius). The translation does not do justice to his narration. He is being so condescending towards our culture. It is utterly humiliating to listen to him. He is also being very subjective.

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +1

      @@elssa2tan I understand French though not fluently and I asked a friend who is a French speaker to see if the subtitles match the narrative (in case PC editors changed it over the years). She said the subtitles are about 95% correct. I dont get where you are getting the view that he is condescending. As for subjective - yes , of course it is his personal opinion.

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +2

      @@vardhanarya Calcutta back then was a byword for misery and poverty. Malle showed many positive facets of Calcutta but didnt shy away from the aforementioned and other disturbing and depressing realities of everyday existence among the poor. From Indian government POV this was a PR disaster. hence it was banned

  • @firebird3639
    @firebird3639 3 года назад +35

    So true about the foreigners missing the essence and doing mechanical and narrator not afraid to say it. Every action done in worship is transcendental.

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +2

      Takes some time to get accustomed to a new artform.

  • @SKJagan-dh2ft
    @SKJagan-dh2ft 8 месяцев назад +1

    Heartiest thanks to the person who made this lovely video available for me to watch

  • @LP-bf9oe
    @LP-bf9oe 3 года назад +15

    Wow! This is real barthanatyam. I am never seen anyone dance like this before .

  • @simim111
    @simim111 3 года назад +2

    This brought me so much joy😭😭😭❤❤❤! I'm glad RUclips recommended this to me.

  • @btman0008
    @btman0008 13 лет назад +22

    a historical footage indeed... thanks...

  • @theblushstudio
    @theblushstudio 3 года назад +17

    India never forgets to dance.. It's in our blood and breath

  • @selvamthiagarajan8152
    @selvamthiagarajan8152 3 года назад +4

    These young girls ought to be in theirs 70s today. The youth and energy is immortalized in the video. Thank you Frenchman.

  • @AnuMadhubhashinie
    @AnuMadhubhashinie 3 года назад +1

    astounded and speechless.. love from Sri Lanka

  • @Account-user
    @Account-user 3 года назад +2

    Reminds me of the time, when I used to learn Bharatnatyam... We used to practice our addhaus just like this..
    I had to give up because of increasing academic pressure..
    I miss Bharatnatyam a lot..

  • @royhorologic1732
    @royhorologic1732 3 месяца назад +2

    Is one of these girls Valli Subbiah? I met her once - she was (and hopefully still is) the sister of my friend and colleague Anand. She told me that they had to ask Malle to leave as he showed no sign of leaving on his own accord!

  • @ragas93
    @ragas93 3 года назад +1

    The description is quite poetic. Great video. Thanks.

  • @bannyaroy2497
    @bannyaroy2497 3 года назад +38

    The only problem with the way the foreigner girls is dancing was that they were paying too much attention to how physically taxing it was rather than enjoying and paying attention to the artistry. Takes quite some time to switch your thinking

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +2

      Well it is a very physically demanding dance. Just as you cant enjoy playing basketball if you are new to it and out of shape. After a few months of training , you can appreciate it on a new level. Same with martial arts. First comes the basic physical condtioning, then the artistry.

  • @srikumar4184
    @srikumar4184 3 года назад +1

    Love the age old traditional!
    Flawless ease of flow!! 🙏

  • @swaroop448
    @swaroop448 12 лет назад +10

    In this art you can see beauty of God!!! you can enjoy and you can see i am taking breathe to see it

  • @misssujakannan
    @misssujakannan 3 года назад +5

    Absolutely love the narration!

  • @potatowarrior747
    @potatowarrior747 3 года назад +23

    Bruh he dissed those foreigners so bad😂😂😂😭😂

    • @kaliyugavideoentertainment4066
      @kaliyugavideoentertainment4066 3 года назад +1

      Haha I’m a white person learning bhartanatyam I think this is hilarious

    • @priyachoudhary9896
      @priyachoudhary9896 3 года назад

      I mean if you are being recorded for a documentary you won't be laid back chill but I get it...though some dancer tend to take solemn look while others revel in their pleasure of dancing

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +3

      He was being a bit unfair to them. They are new to this after all. It is likely in a few years, they became professionals like any other Indian dancer.

    • @amirat5440
      @amirat5440 3 года назад

      Straight up roasted them 😂😂

    • @natyanandadancecompany9606
      @natyanandadancecompany9606 6 месяцев назад

      They are renowned teachers now! It’s a long process to learn!

  • @sushmaravi2913
    @sushmaravi2913 3 года назад +5

    India can never ever forget the tradition and culture… dance is in our blood ❤️

    • @mridulkanti1995
      @mridulkanti1995 3 года назад +1

      If all the indians convert to Islam then there willbe no dancing or any kind of tradition in India at all.

  • @malamuddappa7071
    @malamuddappa7071 3 года назад +3

    south indians never and ever forget or demise this classical dance like bhathanatyam, kuchipudi, kathakali, yakshagana,.. .......

  • @karanpandey1349
    @karanpandey1349 8 месяцев назад +2

    Maybe it's the translation, but what I noticed frequently throughout this documentary was how the West is often fixated on race and appearance. Even in a documentary film about art and dance they couldn't stop themselves from mentioning it.
    Notice how the narrator specifically pointed out the "fair skin" and "Asian features" of one dancer and then for the Tamil dancer he used the word "Purebred". Like, what was that? Purebred is a term used for cattle and pets, not for humans! He would've easily described her beautiful facial appearance, her big innocent eyes or her shiny complexion, if his intention wasn't to just highlight the distinction between "fair" and "dark" skin.
    Also, in the beginning he mentions that currently Bharatanatyam was going through a renaissance, which wasn't a good thing as it would guide India to follow it's ancient practices, as if that's embarrassing.
    And twice he mentions how foreigners can't integrate into the Indian society as they don't belong here. I feel the narrator was just projecting his own thoughts about immigration. Perhaps he believed that people (especially from poor countries) shouldn't immigrate to his nation because they don't "belong" there. Integration into a new country depends on an individual's readiness to accept the new nation as their own. Entitled Europeans can never see themselves integrate into India because of their superiority complex where they always see themselves as the Masters or VIPs and the Indians as their service providers.
    My rant might be completely uncalled for and born out of complete misunderstanding of the narration, but it is true for a lot of such vintage "documentaries" these western nations filmed about the "exotic" and "mystical" country of India.

  • @simranradia2438
    @simranradia2438 3 года назад

    omg the tat tai ta has at the beginning are flawless!!

  • @HaseenaChandni
    @HaseenaChandni 3 года назад +2

    This looks like yesterday's filming and not in 1969. Such good quality.

  • @bhartipandit1311
    @bhartipandit1311 3 года назад

    Nothing is beautiful than this❤️

  • @SKJagan-dh2ft
    @SKJagan-dh2ft 8 месяцев назад

    Even practice sessions of indian classical dances are so good to watch. These foreign dancers r thounds of times better than lakhs of indian girls who have no intrest in indian classical music and dance

  • @mohenrajs
    @mohenrajs 13 лет назад +2

    Thanks for uploading.... :)

  • @AA-vf8fs
    @AA-vf8fs 3 года назад

    what a wonderful video...

  • @bpb1782
    @bpb1782 3 года назад +1

    This is ART.

  • @adimentsu
    @adimentsu 8 лет назад +6

    and yes i having a crush seeing those two girls dance, one in yellow and the other in red

    • @elineprince1323
      @elineprince1323 3 года назад +5

      It was filmed in the 1969 according to the intro, so they are atleast 60 years old now I guess,they are timeless,age is just a number, keep it up bro 👍

    • @vardhanarya
      @vardhanarya 3 года назад +2

      bro they are grand nannies today

    • @kritisrivastava9393
      @kritisrivastava9393 3 года назад

      I thought the yellow one was Hema Malini 💛

    • @Dhksksjjsjjs
      @Dhksksjjsjjs 3 года назад

      Dude! They are grandmas

  • @Indiancrab
    @Indiancrab 9 лет назад +3

    merci Louis-....

  • @LavenderValley777
    @LavenderValley777 3 года назад +5

    This video is like Indians are forgetting their traditional dance and we foreigners came to rescue their traditions... It's those foreigners who robbed my country in many ways... We still have our traditional dance and music going on.. no need to have helping hands from West .

  • @ashas6396
    @ashas6396 4 месяца назад

    Documentaire sobre et trés intéressant sur l’apprentissage du Bharatanatyam .

  • @loneliluna
    @loneliluna 3 года назад +2

    The narrator did a good job talking about the dance, the dancers etc. but he was very rude when talking about those foreigners who had put the effort to learn this difficult classical dance.

  • @bqrmsm7et686
    @bqrmsm7et686 9 лет назад +38

    These documentaries are almost an instruction manual on manufacturing orientalist propaganda.
    He seems genuinely surprised that a refined art form such as Bharatnatyam could have originated in a place such as India. Then, having observed the recent post-independence resurgence of indigenous art forms like classical Indian dance -- he says the art-form is now bound to be corrupted like all artificially recreated traditions.
    Then, he says, even if the Indians fail to keep the art alive, foreigners will surely keep it alive.
    All throughout, there is a condescension for the Indic people themselves, that they are unfit stewards of their own traditions, that others need to step in and take over to save these otherwise fine traditions from their undeserving patrons.
    One can only imagine what a terrible effect this must have had on western mindsets regarding India over the decades.

    • @narasimhadas
      @narasimhadas 9 лет назад

      BQrm SM7et I think most people dont know french and from that angle its more than a fantasitidocumenttary , though do agree with your claoms

    • @spock7945
      @spock7945 6 лет назад

      huh! is that really so *+BQrm SM7et* ¿
      to me it seems closer to how *+Joe* put it above.
      By the way: (and i am myself a desi en.wikipedia.org/wiki/desi ) Bharathnatyam and its predecessor forms from with it originated or evolved from after the Brit/Raj ban are as distinct as wolves are to dogs. ruclips.net/video/vJN_AqrNayE/видео.html Bharathnatyam as is presently practices is a transgression (of sorts) from the Kuththan/kuththu from the Sangam period and the Sathir/Sadir dance form during the Chola period.
      ruclips.net/video/fAeC0XD2alI/видео.html Bharathnatyam started devoting itself to Saivisjm and this example shows some of the depth of expression and devotion!

    • @kprosshia4258
      @kprosshia4258 3 года назад +4

      Exactly. I got mad with his narration.

    • @carnaticmusiclover1
      @carnaticmusiclover1 3 года назад

      Agree with you, Joe Thomas. He wasn’t condescending at all, just an observer. And a very intelligent one at that. He says they couldn’t tear their eyes away. That in itself shows how deeply he loved India. In his later years, he mentioned that this series on India was his most favourite work. This coming from an academy award nominee. He was a profiling filmmaker and I have enjoyed this so much!

    • @sevehrsevehr6001
      @sevehrsevehr6001 3 года назад

      @@joethomas9230 Now we the patrons need a Joe to tell us how we must react to the R we are subject to. Please scurry along. He is being rude, and openly picking faults. This is no different to all the alien theories your kind have pulled up to explain the magnitude of our accomplishments. STOP censoring our sentiments. We are quite capable and evidently far more than you or your generations past, present, and future will ever be.

  • @kumarsubra1
    @kumarsubra1 13 лет назад +22

    Traditions are alive and cherishing and I know of no foreigners that are keeping it alive for us. This shows how ill informed his opinions are.
    Amazing quality of video though !

    • @nmo3148
      @nmo3148 3 года назад +3

      what ill informed opinion?

    • @minikaur4993
      @minikaur4993 3 года назад +1

      There are russians who actually are keeping all dance forms of India alive. It's true.

    • @sevehrsevehr6001
      @sevehrsevehr6001 3 года назад

      @@minikaur4993 😂 They aren't keeping anything alive. Please!

    • @anupamarao2736
      @anupamarao2736 3 года назад +1

      Yes, when he said that the dance form may die in India but will be kept alive by foreigners I laughed so hard 😂😂

    • @minikaur4993
      @minikaur4993 3 года назад +1

      @@sevehrsevehr6001 do you see how our countrymen are ashamed to embrace their own culture? I see it on a daily basis by strangers on internet and people in real life. I just said there are russians who practice our dance forms and keep it alive , that's all.

  • @ajaycadambi
    @ajaycadambi 11 лет назад +5

    Who is singing the Kambhoji Kshetrayya Padam?

  • @tomholland2104
    @tomholland2104 Год назад

    Does anyone know the song in 8.05min, what rag? Tal?

  • @cat_logue
    @cat_logue 3 года назад

    It hurts a lot that to see how our culture is unexplored.

  • @prasna539
    @prasna539 3 года назад

    i think the students are now in their 60 s and they are alraedy grandma omg i cant believe it

  • @Zalmoksis44
    @Zalmoksis44 3 года назад +2

    Oh yeah, let's put foregin beginners against advanced natives and let's bash the foreigners as caricatures. It's so objective and it makes for such a great "documentary".

  • @anandisundar3270
    @anandisundar3270 3 года назад +4

    I would have died to learn...

  • @taval8389
    @taval8389 3 года назад +5

    Which institute is this??
    Is it still functioning??

    • @mohan1771
      @mohan1771 3 года назад +11

      Madras Kalakshetra... Yes very much functioning

  • @rectotexto4586
    @rectotexto4586 3 года назад +7

    La narration est abominable ! Une prof de baratanatyam me disait qu'elle trouvait que Malle était étroit d'esprit, au sujet de ce film. Je le trouve aussi méprisant. Et il prononce "nyata" au lieux de natya(m).

  • @mohan1771
    @mohan1771 10 лет назад +2

    Is it shooted in Madras Kalakshetra ?

  • @ritasahu2819
    @ritasahu2819 6 лет назад +4

    That's amazing wow can anyone plz tell the name of the girl in yellow saree she is so beautiful wow

    • @abhaymishra30
      @abhaymishra30 6 лет назад +10

      Mam sorry to inform you but this documentary is like 50 years old

    • @anganathakur5018
      @anganathakur5018 5 лет назад +5

      Indira P.P Bora

    • @kalabhumi
      @kalabhumi 4 года назад +6

      Charolastra
      The latest photo of the ‘girl in yellow’ saree is Padmashree Indira PP Bora

    • @bandanabarman8394
      @bandanabarman8394 4 года назад +5

      Yes she is from Assam. My guru Padmashree Awarded Indira p.p Bora.

    • @ritasahu2819
      @ritasahu2819 4 года назад

      Where can i get her more videos

  • @ramachandrahanuman148
    @ramachandrahanuman148 3 года назад

    Which year was it ?

  • @HareKrishnaHareRama101
    @HareKrishnaHareRama101 3 года назад +15

    How racist the commenter is first thing he describes about the skin color 😳

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +5

      Not racist to notice differences. Perhaps he is struck by how different she looks compared to Tamils

    • @HareKrishnaHareRama101
      @HareKrishnaHareRama101 3 года назад +11

      @@rao8559 The documentary is about dance not ethnic
      Explaining the dancers physical feature here is unnecessary and irrelevant

    • @ns.kha29
      @ns.kha29 3 года назад

      @@rao8559 right

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +1

      @@HareKrishnaHareRama101 The documentary is about Indian culture and society in general of which arts such as dance are part of the narrative. He mentions that she is from another part of the country and hence looks different. He knows his audience better than you do. It is his documentary, he decides what is relevant and what is not, not you.

  • @KtorzZ
    @KtorzZ 9 лет назад +1

    Sublime

  • @highlyindian4162
    @highlyindian4162 2 года назад

    Indian girl was dancing well. She has it.

  • @Praneetha9985
    @Praneetha9985 3 года назад +1

    Which language does the commentator speaking?

  • @aravindhkumar2012
    @aravindhkumar2012 11 лет назад +3

    inde du dance est tres bien :)

  • @gonlyhlpz
    @gonlyhlpz 11 лет назад +7

    At 11:16 that girl's (now probably grandma) expressions were so beautiful.

  • @dipuovelil
    @dipuovelil 13 лет назад +8

    Almost all his views are far away from truth that's why this was banned and even BBC was banned India from filming for few years after this documentary was released

  • @jiminstinyhands7776
    @jiminstinyhands7776 9 лет назад +4

    i feel like those foreigners didnt even try lmao
    the rest of the dancers were great tho

    • @khalidz1000
      @khalidz1000 8 лет назад +13

      +jimin's tiny hands The 'foreigners' are still deeply devoted to kalakshetra and the dance form. I know because one of them, Katherine Kunhiraman, has been teaching for forty years. Katherine and her husband, the late K P Kunhiraman, dedicated their lives to the art, and it is not an easy life. If you knew any better, you would know what courage and devotion it takes to live that kind of life.

    • @nmo3148
      @nmo3148 3 года назад +8

      westerners tend to be stiff in the hips, deep squatting from childhood creates a different level of flexibility, seriously.

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +7

      Give them a break. They are probably novices who did their best. I think the narrator was being a bit unfair to them. Though he is correct to say that art form probably comes naturally to Indians. However it is not impossible for foreigners to pick it up as get more organically immersed in Indian culture.

    • @rao8559
      @rao8559 3 года назад +1

      @@nmo3148 yeah probably true. Also the colder climates tend to make you stiffer.

    • @k1r4z.
      @k1r4z. 3 года назад +1

      @@nmo3148 what about the Japanese girl then bruh? İt was literally because they were literally beginners... Pretty normal that they aren't good as the advenced natives and also they were raised in a different culture.

  • @vasavijagarapu
    @vasavijagarapu 3 года назад +5

    Correction....Bharatanatyam and many arts lost glory bcoz of British rule...

    • @royhorologic1732
      @royhorologic1732 3 месяца назад

      Of course! It's always the evil colonialists! Nobody in India ever made a bad decision. And India has always had terrifically enlightened governments - like right now!

  • @kritisrivastava9393
    @kritisrivastava9393 3 года назад +1

    I thought the yellow one was Hema Malini💛

  • @dollylachhey745
    @dollylachhey745 3 года назад

    🙏💕

  • @lokloknoknok1362
    @lokloknoknok1362 3 года назад +4

    the tamil girl dances better

  • @krvnaick2022
    @krvnaick2022 3 года назад

    I HAVE SEEN NUMBER of foreign girls coming to LEARN BHARATH NATYAM,.But for. most of them the need is a CAPSULE course, by living in hot Chennai and goback as if they did a post masters degree, diploma course in Classical dances of India.
    The reality that.most successful young dancers of India spend their time right from their pre.teen years and even if they attained status and popularity they practice for hours every day.
    FOREIGN GIRLS USUALLY LOOKING MORE GROWN UP FOR THEIR AGE HAVE MORE STIFF LIMBS AND LACK BODY FLEXIBILITY.THEY DO NOT THE LANGUAGE OF THE SONG FOR WHICH THEY DANCE AND HENCE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS(BHAVAS) AND SIGNS( MUDRAS) LOOK MECHANICAL.
    THEY ARE MORE STRONG THAN INDIAN GIRLS AND HAVE.MORE STAMINA.BUT FOR ABHINAYA BODY LANGUAGE IS MORE IMPORATNT. SUCH THINGS CAN BE ACQUIRED ONLY BY LIVING WITH THE TRAINING FOR DECADES.
    INFORTUNATELY EVERYBODY IS VICTIM OF COMMERCIALISATION.
    DANCERS prefer to PERFORM KATHAKALI USING PLASTIC MASK THAN HAVING TRADITIONAL FACIAL MAKE UP..OR CHUTTY.!

  • @BNat604
    @BNat604 9 лет назад

    Ajay Cadambi Vasantha Teacher

  • @Elsa_fr
    @Elsa_fr 8 месяцев назад

    The comment about the japanese and the american girls is so insulting.

  • @vimeopictures5170
    @vimeopictures5170 3 года назад +4

    Chennai women still looks the same in 2021 😂😂😂