I realize he isn't perfectly, "on theme" for what you are doing with this deck, but I'm at least a little surprised not to see Inferno Titan in your decklist, given how high you have been on him in the past, and how favorably he interacts with Tobran. If you have have 3 targets, he does 9 damage per swing, not even counting actual combat damage! (Combat damage also benefits from Tobran.)
Skull Clamp is also used as a deterrent. Place it on one of your incremental damage creatures that won't die from it, to deter your opponent from destroying it, lest you draw more burn.
That’s another fair point. I also suggested to joe things like Tibalt to stop life gain, make a 3/1 that hits for 3 when it dies, and have a good body to chuck away for cards. Might be a different version of the deck though 🤔
I got a lot of cards for my Syr Carah the Bold deck. Mana Clash is a funny draw spell in that deck. Burning Prophet is card cool card that give you scrying. When the commander out, Risk Factor and Browbeat lets you draw one card or more. I am happy you cover a red commander. Have a nice day guys. Tribe scout out.
I love that Torbran breaks the symmetry of efficient red spells to make classic burn a viable strategy in EDH. How do you guys feel about Urza's Armor to reduce damage from cards like Pyrohemia and Zo-Zu
yea seem not good, also i think tarbran doesnt affect you right? so you are suppose to be ahead on damage vs the opponent. Urzas armor slot might be used for something a lot better.
I have a pinger torbran deck too, I play humble defector for deecent card draw, good in a pinch/if you have homeward path/are about to wipe the board/if you have skullclamp. goblin chainwhirler nukes opponents and their creatures for 3 when torbran is in play and set ups well with fanatic of mogis, 9 to each opponent at least, fanatic can also be a closer. Finally, solemn simulacrum and burnished hart are great ramp for mono red while mirage mirror is amazing utility for if someone plays some a card.
Imho I wouldn't play Purphoros if you don't expect to have many creatures entering the battlefield. And without token generators or graveyard recursion, it just doesn't cut it. Now, Drakuseth on the other hand ...
With 24 creatures and 2 or 3 token generators? Ok then. I myself would rather put in some stax like Stranglehold, Blood Moon or Citadel of Pain. Or some protection for the easily removed commander like Darksteel Plate. But maybe your meta just doesn't use that much targeted removal, who knows.
I wonder if it's possible to build a Torbran deck with Painter's Servant, and turn artifact damage (like Triskelion) into bolts, and opponents' Ancient Tomb/Pain Land into more bolts on themselves.
I am in the process of building this deck. Is 14 instants and sorceries really enough to power Guttersnipe and Electrostatic field? Goblin Assault is really good
Two cards you should consider running are Jaya, Venerated Firemage and Embermaw Hellion. Both of these cards basically do what Torbran does just on less. (they are more Enchantments for this deck really more than creatures tbh.)
That card is just nasty. But since most cards in this deck aim to deal damae to players directly and not their creatures, it is less impactful. Still worth considering.
@@godofwar10510 I am aware of that. Dealing upwards of 50 damage takes minimal setup. Also very fun with Furnace of Rath because first it doubles the damage to the creature and then doubles the damage again to the player. So if you blasphemous act, each creature a player controlls equals 52 damage to the face.
Went back to watch this since I'm building a torbran deck now. Wow! You guys have come so far in presentation quality!!
Yeah it is hard to watch these old videos for us lol
I realize he isn't perfectly, "on theme" for what you are doing with this deck, but I'm at least a little surprised not to see Inferno Titan in your decklist, given how high you have been on him in the past, and how favorably he interacts with Tobran. If you have have 3 targets, he does 9 damage per swing, not even counting actual combat damage! (Combat damage also benefits from Tobran.)
Inferno Titan has been added since the video and he is a beater 😎
Skull Clamp is also used as a deterrent. Place it on one of your incremental damage creatures that won't die from it, to deter your opponent from destroying it, lest you draw more burn.
That’s another fair point. I also suggested to joe things like Tibalt to stop life gain, make a 3/1 that hits for 3 when it dies, and have a good body to chuck away for cards. Might be a different version of the deck though 🤔
I got a lot of cards for my Syr Carah the Bold deck. Mana Clash is a funny draw spell in that deck. Burning Prophet is card cool card that give you scrying. When the commander out, Risk Factor and Browbeat lets you draw one card or more. I am happy you cover a red commander. Have a nice day guys. Tribe scout out.
Underrated Chanel af love you guys, I got the full art foil torbran for my birthday and I'm hyped
Torbran is awesome, we are glad you like the video.
You guys forgot to add the enchantment repercussions it's insane in this.
That card is super good! Probably going in for sure! Joe will be excited
May the EDH realm taste pain as Red rises from its depth of vengeance.
"Card draw? Where we're going, we don't NEED card draw!"
Why no furnace of rath?
Holy crap, you guys have come a long way!!
I love that Torbran breaks the symmetry of efficient red spells to make classic burn a viable strategy in EDH. How do you guys feel about Urza's Armor to reduce damage from cards like Pyrohemia and Zo-Zu
Looks a little expensive for our tastes. Also want to maintain a critical mass of burn spells so this could be hurting the deck
@@NitpickingNerds how about Furnace of Rath or Dictate?
yea seem not good, also i think tarbran doesnt affect you right? so you are suppose to be ahead on damage vs the opponent. Urzas armor slot might be used for something a lot better.
These days i look forward to these more then command zone
That is really nice of you to say. Thanks you! 😊
Totally agree with you. Command Zone everyday that passes seems more sold and artificial to me with meh content.
Wow, this deck looks incredibly fun!
Torbran is a tiny man with huge implications.
It is super fun. 😊
I have a pinger torbran deck too, I play humble defector for deecent card draw, good in a pinch/if you have homeward path/are about to wipe the board/if you have skullclamp. goblin chainwhirler nukes opponents and their creatures for 3 when torbran is in play and set ups well with fanatic of mogis, 9 to each opponent at least, fanatic can also be a closer. Finally, solemn simulacrum and burnished hart are great ramp for mono red while mirage mirror is amazing utility for if someone plays some a card.
What about artifact card draw such as mishras and urzas bauble. Or maybe chromatic star?
Imho I wouldn't play Purphoros if you don't expect to have many creatures entering the battlefield. And without token generators or graveyard recursion, it just doesn't cut it. Now, Drakuseth on the other hand ...
From testing purphoros has been a great include.
With 24 creatures and 2 or 3 token generators? Ok then. I myself would rather put in some stax like Stranglehold, Blood Moon or Citadel of Pain. Or some protection for the easily removed commander like Darksteel Plate.
But maybe your meta just doesn't use that much targeted removal, who knows.
Please tell me why you guys didn't run a Red Burn deck without a Lightning Bolt in it!?
I am currently building this deck and I will be putting Planar Chaos in the deck along with Manabarbs
Heck yeah!
I wonder if it's possible to build a Torbran deck with Painter's Servant, and turn artifact damage (like Triskelion) into bolts, and opponents' Ancient Tomb/Pain Land into more bolts on themselves.
Opponents sources do not deal more damage (so no Ancient Tomb stuff)
@@MasterQuestMaster Oh well, then I'll settle with my own sniping.
I am in the process of building this deck. Is 14 instants and sorceries really enough to power Guttersnipe and Electrostatic field?
Goblin Assault is really good
I think I'm going to cut those honestly.
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Maybe we can format the plug like that so people know it’s #VALUE
I doubt you’d ever get to 50 life but do you guys think it’s worth adding aetherflux reservoir ?
Sadly no, unless you were to build around it but that is best saved for a different deck
Just a thought you could add Urza Armor to reduce the damage and it protect you from Pyrohemia when you have it.
The deck doesn't seem to need that type of effect. It seems a little pricey mana-wise
Pyrohemia is really good when you have it, adding onto it is win-more.
No shade at Ellie Goulding. That song occupied at least a year of my life.
I’m so sorry for your loss
About a gameplay series. Have you considered starting a fundraiser on Kickstarter?
We hadn't thought to do that but I do like that idea.
Two cards you should consider running are Jaya, Venerated Firemage and Embermaw Hellion. Both of these cards basically do what Torbran does just on less. (they are more Enchantments for this deck really more than creatures tbh.)
You: I'm still wearing contacts Me: Wierd Flex but okay....
In almost all of our old videos, I have glasses on. It's jarring!
How about immolation shaman from M20 ?
It’s a VERY similar ability so it might slot in nicely! We will try it out 👀
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No love for Repercussion
That card is just nasty. But since most cards in this deck aim to deal damae to players directly and not their creatures, it is less impactful. Still worth considering.
Rouven Schweitzer It’s a fun card with blasphemous act
@@godofwar10510 I am aware of that. Dealing upwards of 50 damage takes minimal setup. Also very fun with Furnace of Rath because first it doubles the damage to the creature and then doubles the damage again to the player. So if you blasphemous act, each creature a player controlls equals 52 damage to the face.
you might want to correct the spelling in the title of this video
I don't know what you're talking about...
i have one of these decks and my play group hates it i am always the target
lol