I dont understand what considerations determine ideal position, wouldnt you just play whatever 3 chars you like and position is incidental? The only char i can think with a mechanic affected is base goku
@@yllekfrizco4557 depends on how you play and what assists you want. generally there are 3 types of characters: point, shell, and anchor. A point character is ostensibly what you build your team around, the character that gets all the benefit from both assists. They either kinda need the assists to function or just benefit from the mix potential. Good examples are Hit and Goku blue. Your shell character is your second, they are usually picked for their assists while also being solid characters in their own right. Bardock or super baby 2 are good examples. Your anchor is a character that functions entirely on their own merit, they don't need other characters to provide mixups and do every part of the game. Z broly and base goku are the most popular examples. They benefit the most from limit break and lvl 3 sparking and have quick grabs to play around for their own independent mix. Fun thing is that you can figure out for yourself who works in what role, there are very few characters that NEED to be in one spot to function right. It's Hit.
@@yllekfrizco4557 It matters a lot, weaker characters can't be anchors since the idea is to let them make the comeback by themselves without anyone's help, so no assist to mix or to help in neutral, no assist to be safe or to damage, normally no spark or mix with assist, you need a character that does it all if you want an anchor, while a point can get amazing stuff with assist but solo he struggles a lot more
I have 137 hours in this game and it's my first fighting game. Jiren has been on my main team for a while now and I love his combos; I actually found my first somewhat optimal TOD with him (2L, 2 bar, corner start; SSJku and Baseku assists). I thought getting into advanced stuff with Jiren was gonna be really hard for someone like me and I was struggling with the lack of mix. I'm usually really prideful about figuring shit out myself and was hesitant to look up a guide, since I know the discovery process is like the most fun part about fighting games. I was just about to drop him to try other characters, but I saw this in my recommended, clicked it, and as I was watching, I just immediately fell back in love this character. I mean, you can SAFELY COUNTER AFTER 236S ON BLOCK WTF!? To think I would've never realized that even after finding effectively the same math working out with UI's 236L > 214H on block. I didn't realize the semi-loops with j2S in the corner were auto-timed with mashing just like the DBS Broly 2L links I loved so much. There's so much shit that's so cool just to do after discovering it. I'm okay with this. This seems really fun, even without the discovery. THANK YOU SO MUCH for making this guide. The slow motion (exactly when it's appropriate) and explanations are so helpful and make this stuff so much more approachable. The edits and the progressing costume changes just made this that much more of a joy to watch. You, sir, have definitely earned a sub this day. 👏👍 P.S. I also appreciate the positive attitude about the 214S nerf. I was kinda beat up about it because I loved "TRY SOMETHING" so much, but you just helped me appreciate that there's so much more to love about this character.
I appreciate the work you put in for these guides, you explain everything so well and they're surprisingly funny . I'm hyped for that Goku Black guide, keep up the amazing work my dood!
Love you work, top quality dbfz character guides that ive seen. I hope the game is in its final season and that eventually we get the full roster of tutorials. This is good enough to be THE resource for serious players of the game
Love the guides they're awesome one suggestion: could you put the notations/text less on the edge and more in the image? In fullscreen the youtube player edge covers it so when its paused you can't really see the notation, great stuff either way!
I really do appreciate all these bnb guides and there all really good towards where you should have at least 100k subs by now but I was wondering could you do a ssj Vegeta after Goku black cause I have never seen one be done
I think using 2L after crossup JM makes it a true combo even if the second hit whiffs or doesn’t come out, so his cross up game is technically still pretty decent.
I was just going into training mode to grind some Jiren, and my favorite dbfz content creator drops a new vid on season 4 changes? Amazing, nothing comes close to your tutorials
My friend mained Jiren in so and I always wondered why, considering how little personality the character had. Now I'm starting to think he was on to something
Nice, i main Jiren (after learning form the first guide) and i wanted to see how much would his gameplan changes, it seems like it's the same but with some new combos 🤣
Amazing updated video as always. One question tho, for the out of corner sideswitch combo, i believe we dont need to do the low counter anymore, after the 2H we can just wait then jm?...or im tripping
I mean in all fairness I usually end up with 2 C assists, but mostly because S Broly and Kefla's assists are mediocre at best lol, so the combo potential from their c assists is handy.
Can you please update Vegito, Gogeta Blue and Baseku after doing Goku black? They have recieved some good buffs so remastering guide for them will be good. Thank you very much for this guide, Looking forward to your next Video.
@Tinytorque or anyone i need your help i understand some things abt jiren but the only thing i cant do with him is his super jump combos im trying but i dont know what im doing wrong im confused i need help like immediately 😭😭😭😭😭😭 his combos are confusing
why is so hard the combo 15:39 ?? i can do every thing but (dl) sd > 66 jm(1) > 2l, is there some tip to do that part more consistent? one of 30 time i can do 1
@Lucas Soto, I was having the same problem. I was trying to do it against Goku blue and it wasn’t working, but it was working against base Vegeta. Which makes think it has to do with character size and might not be do-able against all characters.
I’m confused on the mid screen bnb combo. What do you mean by sjm(2)ll? Like am I just pressing down after the medium or am I using medium twice? Is it two lights? Sorry, just a little lost 😅
Damn, the updated guides with ideal team positions for each character AND a rating with their aspects and proficiencies? Ya love to see it
Actually beautiful.
I dont understand what considerations determine ideal position, wouldnt you just play whatever 3 chars you like and position is incidental? The only char i can think with a mechanic affected is base goku
@@yllekfrizco4557 depends on how you play and what assists you want. generally there are 3 types of characters: point, shell, and anchor. A point character is ostensibly what you build your team around, the character that gets all the benefit from both assists. They either kinda need the assists to function or just benefit from the mix potential. Good examples are Hit and Goku blue. Your shell character is your second, they are usually picked for their assists while also being solid characters in their own right. Bardock or super baby 2 are good examples. Your anchor is a character that functions entirely on their own merit, they don't need other characters to provide mixups and do every part of the game. Z broly and base goku are the most popular examples. They benefit the most from limit break and lvl 3 sparking and have quick grabs to play around for their own independent mix. Fun thing is that you can figure out for yourself who works in what role, there are very few characters that NEED to be in one spot to function right. It's Hit.
@@yllekfrizco4557 It matters a lot, weaker characters can't be anchors since the idea is to let them make the comeback by themselves without anyone's help, so no assist to mix or to help in neutral, no assist to be safe or to damage, normally no spark or mix with assist, you need a character that does it all if you want an anchor, while a point can get amazing stuff with assist but solo he struggles a lot more
Quick reminder: Fast assists let you combo off of his counters without spending meter. His they’re specials they can also be tagged in off of on hit
Does blue gogeta c let you combo?
Didn't know this. Your the goat
Just special tag and get the SD.
I have 137 hours in this game and it's my first fighting game. Jiren has been on my main team for a while now and I love his combos; I actually found my first somewhat optimal TOD with him (2L, 2 bar, corner start; SSJku and Baseku assists). I thought getting into advanced stuff with Jiren was gonna be really hard for someone like me and I was struggling with the lack of mix. I'm usually really prideful about figuring shit out myself and was hesitant to look up a guide, since I know the discovery process is like the most fun part about fighting games.
I was just about to drop him to try other characters, but I saw this in my recommended, clicked it, and as I was watching, I just immediately fell back in love this character. I mean, you can SAFELY COUNTER AFTER 236S ON BLOCK WTF!? To think I would've never realized that even after finding effectively the same math working out with UI's 236L > 214H on block. I didn't realize the semi-loops with j2S in the corner were auto-timed with mashing just like the DBS Broly 2L links I loved so much. There's so much shit that's so cool just to do after discovering it. I'm okay with this. This seems really fun, even without the discovery.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for making this guide. The slow motion (exactly when it's appropriate) and explanations are so helpful and make this stuff so much more approachable. The edits and the progressing costume changes just made this that much more of a joy to watch. You, sir, have definitely earned a sub this day. 👏👍
P.S. I also appreciate the positive attitude about the 214S nerf. I was kinda beat up about it because I loved "TRY SOMETHING" so much, but you just helped me appreciate that there's so much more to love about this character.
Man I'd suggest picking up like maybe hit or someone like that cuz hit and jiren work really well together
I was kinda down about the Jiren counter nerf and kinda still is, but I felt great seeing that J2H Buff.
BTW, why does that sound like the Llama sound effect from Minecraft? 4:11
my boi what u play on?
Thank you for the QUALITY content. I really liked the beginning where you broke down the strengths and team positions!
4:07 “never in my life have i needed something so much and never known until i received it” - 👑
I really appreciate what you are doing for us with these guides. You are the GOAT Torgue !!
I appreciate the speen at 3:18.
I love this character so much, I’m happy to have mained him since s2.
No joke, congratz on being loyal to your character.
A lot of people tend to play to win, so massive props to you playing with your favs.
@@AgentKyo I only play with my favorite characters, I refuse to play by the meta, my team is Jiren, Bardock, and Janemba
Dude, i main jiren since s2 too lml. My team is jiren b, bardock b and gogeta blue c
@@tylerjohnston4389 i play jiren, ssjku and janemba
@@socio637 that’s such a sick team bro
Quick tip on Grand Charge from House of MZ's channel: You can actually be +10 on block if he's ran through a projectile or assist prior.
That character map thing you have at the start is absolutely awesome. I love it
"consider something" had me laughing way too much ! Thank you for the video, it helped a lot as a new jiren player
I appreciate the work you put in for these guides, you explain everything so well and they're surprisingly funny . I'm hyped for that Goku Black guide, keep up the amazing work my dood!
Love you work, top
quality dbfz character guides that ive seen. I hope the game is in its final season and that eventually we get the full roster of tutorials. This is good enough to be THE resource for serious players of the game
Wow I really liked the jojo style stats really good touch x)
Amazing video, best guides I can find anywhere! 10/10 editing, 10/10 memes. Keep it up!
these guides are top notch and well made.. *chef’s kiss* you earned a like and a sub from me.
what an absolute madman, thank you!
As a Jiren main since launch I can say this is a quality guide!
I was waiting for this, thank you :D
This new format is so cool, i love it
That “Consider Something” was well played lol. Ggs to u dawg, ggs
Stat spread in at the start was dope, good shit bro 👍
My man be helping me big time.
Mad props
A Piccolo guide would be awesome, great work as always :)
Amazing Channel!
Thank you for the advice
Love the guides they're awesome one suggestion: could you put the notations/text less on the edge and more in the image? In fullscreen the youtube player edge covers it so when its paused you can't really see the notation, great stuff either way!
we need a remastered remastered with his new buffs
still going at it at season 4 with higher quality even! you're so good
Big fan of you adding the stats and team position :]
Hands down best juren vid. Plus the jojo reference was 🔥.
Thanks bro, so much info for my main
I love how the character info cards at the beginning of the new guides look like JoJo stand info cards in the anime :-)
Subscription earned .. great vid 🙏🏽
Amazing guide dude
Awesome! Crossing fingers for a Zamasu guide! 🤞
Bro 18:23 was CLEAN that transition deserves love
sir you're going to have to edit the part about mix and pressure now with his new buffs >
Hey TT I would love if you upload a piccolo guide I absolutely love your content!!
2:53 unstoppable force meets an
immovable object
Thanks to you I can main Trunks & Jiren. I’m looking forward for 17
0:04 Holy shit this is mad useful
I really do appreciate all these bnb guides and there all really good towards where you should have at least 100k subs by now but I was wondering could you do a ssj Vegeta after Goku black cause I have never seen one be done
glad to know why kefla yells jirens name like hes calling him up for dinner
Wait did I miss something?
@@samedwards3186 yeah, you missed dinner
If there's anything I learned from the 50 seconds I've been watching this video, its that Pledge of Demon is still an absolute banger
Love your videos man,can you do Guilty Gear Strive guides too?With blockstrings and combos,that Would be awesome.
This was very entertaining lolol
I think using 2L after crossup JM makes it a true combo even if the second hit whiffs or doesn’t come out, so his cross up game is technically still pretty decent.
Yes his cross up game is strong
Bro I came to this wanting a guide and got a guide + memes
earned the sub
It would be funny if the SS Goku Guide started with him taking an "buffs" medicine for his heart virus
Master roshi would be awesome to see next after all the remastered guides come out
TinyTorgueGOD, that is an excellent guide, but i think that you miss that the 214 can be confirm with an assist ❤️
pledge of demon nice music choice
happy to see you are also a JoJo fan.
That JoJo bit was amazing xD
I was just going into training mode to grind some Jiren, and my favorite dbfz content creator drops a new vid on season 4 changes? Amazing, nothing comes close to your tutorials
I want all of your videos they are truly amazing please do a lab coat and goku black video
I think ill try him out!
My friend mained Jiren in so and I always wondered why, considering how little personality the character had.
Now I'm starting to think he was on to something
Nice, i main Jiren (after learning form the first guide) and i wanted to see how much would his gameplan changes, it seems like it's the same but with some new combos 🤣
Yeah thats the case with most characters
Nice guide like usual... can we get a guide from A18 please?
Just to let you know. 4:03
The crossup game actually is decent with Jiren
He can crossup j.M into 2L to confirm.
Look mom, I'm early on TinyTorgue's video
That dotodoya reference at the beginning 😂
Wow did Jiren get new big damage Bnbs? Need to learn these
Based
Keep this new format
FUCK YEAH JIREN GUIDE. I love Jiren. No matter he got nerfed. I will always use him
sparking blast activates full power jiren… f**king brilliant!!
Just as I was picking him up
Amazing updated video as always. One question tho, for the out of corner sideswitch combo, i believe we dont need to do the low counter anymore, after the 2H we can just wait then jm?...or im tripping
It still makes it easier imo
@@TinyTorgue oh ok fair enough thanks
I mean in all fairness I usually end up with 2 C assists, but mostly because S Broly and Kefla's assists are mediocre at best lol, so the combo potential from their c assists is handy.
YOOOOOO YAKUZA KUZE THEME!!! LETS GOOOOOOO!!
"CONSIDER something" got me dying laughing 🤣
i cannot state how much i feel like jiren when he destroyed hit for the tripple c assist
Can't confirm off that Js to save my life 🤣
I'm going to prey for a Janemba Remastered
I’d love to see a “muda” vs “ora” of UI and Jiren using 236X in the air.
English VAs for Jiren and Hit also voice Dio and Jotaro respectively
Jiren picking Hit up like he was a suitcase killed me
Nice but piccolo guide when?
Does anyone have any tips on how to do the super jump and stay close to the opponent
Can you please update Vegito, Gogeta Blue and Baseku after doing Goku black? They have recieved some good buffs so remastering guide for them will be good. Thank you very much for this guide, Looking forward to your next Video.
Dont worry about them, they'll probably get the same treatment as the original Beerus guide too
@@TinyTorgue Thank you very much. Your guides are the best for me, so I had a lot of requests. Waiting for it.
@Tinytorque or anyone i need your help i understand some things abt jiren but the only thing i cant do with him is his super jump combos im trying but i dont know what im doing wrong im confused i need help like immediately 😭😭😭😭😭😭 his combos are confusing
"It wasn't a bug. It was a feature" A broken man
Dude, Consider Something fucking killed me.
my boy..
Is jiren point, z broly mid, and base goku anchor a good team?
I really want everyone to say "Consider something" from now on
Bro, when he stops fixing the old guides (which I really appreciate) he should make one for a more complex character like Ginyu or 18
Yo i did not expect a remake of cry something's guide.
Loved that dato reference!!! @datodoya
"consider something" killed me
why is so hard the combo 15:39 ?? i can do every thing but (dl) sd > 66 jm(1) > 2l, is there some tip to do that part more consistent? one of 30 time i can do 1
@Lucas Soto, I was having the same problem. I was trying to do it against Goku blue and it wasn’t working, but it was working against base Vegeta. Which makes think it has to do with character size and might not be do-able against all characters.
Bald "Try Something" Owari Da Jiren guide
"I need help" 😂
EL HERMANO
I’m confused on the mid screen bnb combo. What do you mean by sjm(2)ll?
Like am I just pressing down after the medium or am I using medium twice? Is it two lights? Sorry, just a little lost 😅
Numbers in brackets are amount of hits, since Jiren's jM hits twice you just let both hits of it rock
Jiren really do hit like Kuze, no?
👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Videl or Adult Gohan pls !
El Hermano