To be honest I think you should consider changing your description. Assuming a new account has no 5 stars, Firefly's pull value (as well as Acheron's to some extent) isn't actually very high. Firefly needs Ruan Mei to be absurdly powerful, and Acheron requires at least 2 solid nihility units at the very least. Similarly, Black Swan has close to 0 pull value without Kafka, and sparkle's pull value is entirely contingent on you having a limited hypercarry of some kind (DHIL, Jingliu, etc.). While she works with Acheron of course, options like Silverwolf and Pela would just be better investments for your account at that point. The only two characters in the must have category for me would probably be Ruan Mei and Aventurine because they're either best in slot or second best in slot for most teams in the game. Conversely, if you get a Bronya from your departure warp, there's no need to invest in a sparkle unless you have a crazy high SP requirement on your hyper carry (e.g: DHIL). Bronya, for example, is still best in slot on things like Boothill, Jingliu and Blade teams, and you're not usually going to get crazy value out of Sparkle over her most of the time. This doesn't mean that Sparkle isn't a better unit than Bronya, overall she is, but considering that Bronya can be much more easily attained as a general rule without having to wait for a specific banner by getting her on departure, standard or on a lost 50/50, this does make Sparkle's overall pull value for a NEW player specifically drop a substantial amount. Obviously, there's subjective differences of opinion about where characters should be placed and I'm not trying to argue about those, just pointing out that the description is slightly misleading.
I agree on most of your points. But i still play acheron with pela and guinaifen. And if a new player get acheron, it is very easy to do most of the content with those said supports. But firefly also doesnt need ruanmei, but having her makes it sm easier tho. But you are right about sparkle and bronya. Thanks for sharing your opinion :)
@@gachagemba nah firefly MUST have Ruan Mei you lose so much dmg with not using Ruan Mei . When you place a character to Must Have category that character must fulfill his duty well. But both Acheron and Firefly has big problems. For Acheron you either have to have good nihility units like sw/pela with LC or your acheron must have good relic stats to do dmg. Same goes for Firefly you dont need cracked relic stats but you need a VERY SPECIFIC TEAM to run optimally
@@gachagemba Yeah this seems fair, I do think that Acheron definitely is a very high value character. Still, I do have my concerns. To invest properly in her you also kinda need her sig lc and at least 1 copy of an S3 resolution shines at minimum (for her to do damage that exceeds other limited hypercarry options with F2P lcs) which is substantially higher than the investment for Ruan Mei (who's totally fine on Cogs or Memories) or Aventurine (with Destiny's Threads). An On the Fall of an Aeon Xueyi coupled with a coggers Ruan Mei, HMC and Gallagher is going to beat out an E0S0 Acheron with a team incapable of applying debuffs consistently while only requiring investment in one limited character and no LCs while otherwise being completely free to play (except the S5 cogs for MC and Mei I guess but that's a 3 star LC). As far as Firefly is concerned, my point is more that she only has must pull damage with Ruan Mei, without whom she's probably a low A or high B tier DPS. For example, a team with Bronya, HMC and Boothill is better than any non Ruan Mei Firefly comp (though I wouldn't put boothill in the must pull tier either). Again, this is just focusing on what a new player has access to and how to best allocate their resources when it comes to horizontal team building. This doesn't mean that Acheron is a bad investment, she is 100% a must pull if all your DPSes are 4 stars and she's the banner on offer, but if you have something like Boothill and Dr. Ratio on your account, it might be a better idea to invest in supports that benefit them (say Robin, Topaz, Aventurine, Bronya, Sparkle, Ruan Mei etc.) over going for Acheron. I guess my point is that no DPS is ever a must pull because without their dedicated supports they're much, much less useful. Supports/pseudo-supports that enable a playstyle like Robin for FUA, Kafka for DOT, Bronya/Sparkle for Hypercarry, Ruan Mei for everything, etc. will pretty much always be relevant because they have more long-term value. For someone to powercreep Ruan Mei, they need to be better than her in every single one of her teams (Dot, regular break, superbreak, blade jingliu, etc.). For someone to powercreep Acheron they just need to do bigger number. Just look at what's happened to Jing Liu and DHIL. Still, all that being said it's not like any of these characters are going to become irrelevant any time soon. A well invested Seele on a mono-quantum team will still rip through moc and apoc shadow. The only real difference now is that the floor is higher on the newer characters, while the ceiling has only risen by a little bit (Seele's mono-quantum team's performance is only behind hyperbreak, acheron, and ipc teams in Apoc Shadow, outperforming any DHIL/Jingliu hypercarry comps). Plus, there's no telling what new supports arrive to offer new synergies to older characters (superbreak for Jingyuan and Himeko, Jade for Blade, Sparkle for Seele, Robin, Ratio and Aventurine for Topaz, etc.). The TL;DR is basically this: so long as you have 2 good DPSes and 2 limited sustains/1+Gallagher E2, support characters always offer higher investment value than more limited DPSes since after all, you can only run 2 teams in the endgame and Herta/Himeko exist for Pure Fiction.
I think Gepard goes to Better options. Right now there are not so many shielders, and the only one better than him is Aventurine. Fu Xuan does completely different thing, same with abundance characters.
Clara ther is a crime she carry me since day 1 game till now 1 cycle last moc and 2 cycle this moc as f2p she deserves better in normal setup she is jingliu lv jingliu is better at 0 cycle but clara is better at pf personally will put her at meta teir and for moc she mostly better than Argenti for sure
imo yanquing is the best unit to get in reroll. . hear me out. . he will suck all your bad luck at the start of your playthrough and you will be getting better rates later. . that's what happened to me. . my first 5* was yanquing and I kid you not, I have only lost 50/50 one time in my entire playthrough of honkai. .
To be honest I think you should consider changing your description. Assuming a new account has no 5 stars, Firefly's pull value (as well as Acheron's to some extent) isn't actually very high. Firefly needs Ruan Mei to be absurdly powerful, and Acheron requires at least 2 solid nihility units at the very least. Similarly, Black Swan has close to 0 pull value without Kafka, and sparkle's pull value is entirely contingent on you having a limited hypercarry of some kind (DHIL, Jingliu, etc.). While she works with Acheron of course, options like Silverwolf and Pela would just be better investments for your account at that point. The only two characters in the must have category for me would probably be Ruan Mei and Aventurine because they're either best in slot or second best in slot for most teams in the game. Conversely, if you get a Bronya from your departure warp, there's no need to invest in a sparkle unless you have a crazy high SP requirement on your hyper carry (e.g: DHIL). Bronya, for example, is still best in slot on things like Boothill, Jingliu and Blade teams, and you're not usually going to get crazy value out of Sparkle over her most of the time. This doesn't mean that Sparkle isn't a better unit than Bronya, overall she is, but considering that Bronya can be much more easily attained as a general rule without having to wait for a specific banner by getting her on departure, standard or on a lost 50/50, this does make Sparkle's overall pull value for a NEW player specifically drop a substantial amount. Obviously, there's subjective differences of opinion about where characters should be placed and I'm not trying to argue about those, just pointing out that the description is slightly misleading.
Damn boi that's longer than my assignment 🤔
I agree on most of your points. But i still play acheron with pela and guinaifen. And if a new player get acheron, it is very easy to do most of the content with those said supports. But firefly also doesnt need ruanmei, but having her makes it sm easier tho. But you are right about sparkle and bronya. Thanks for sharing your opinion :)
@@gachagemba nah firefly MUST have Ruan Mei you lose so much dmg with not using Ruan Mei . When you place a character to Must Have category that character must fulfill his duty well. But both Acheron and Firefly has big problems. For Acheron you either have to have good nihility units like sw/pela with LC or your acheron must have good relic stats to do dmg. Same goes for Firefly you dont need cracked relic stats but you need a VERY SPECIFIC TEAM to run optimally
@@gachagemba Yeah this seems fair, I do think that Acheron definitely is a very high value character. Still, I do have my concerns. To invest properly in her you also kinda need her sig lc and at least 1 copy of an S3 resolution shines at minimum (for her to do damage that exceeds other limited hypercarry options with F2P lcs) which is substantially higher than the investment for Ruan Mei (who's totally fine on Cogs or Memories) or Aventurine (with Destiny's Threads). An On the Fall of an Aeon Xueyi coupled with a coggers Ruan Mei, HMC and Gallagher is going to beat out an E0S0 Acheron with a team incapable of applying debuffs consistently while only requiring investment in one limited character and no LCs while otherwise being completely free to play (except the S5 cogs for MC and Mei I guess but that's a 3 star LC). As far as Firefly is concerned, my point is more that she only has must pull damage with Ruan Mei, without whom she's probably a low A or high B tier DPS. For example, a team with Bronya, HMC and Boothill is better than any non Ruan Mei Firefly comp (though I wouldn't put boothill in the must pull tier either). Again, this is just focusing on what a new player has access to and how to best allocate their resources when it comes to horizontal team building. This doesn't mean that Acheron is a bad investment, she is 100% a must pull if all your DPSes are 4 stars and she's the banner on offer, but if you have something like Boothill and Dr. Ratio on your account, it might be a better idea to invest in supports that benefit them (say Robin, Topaz, Aventurine, Bronya, Sparkle, Ruan Mei etc.) over going for Acheron. I guess my point is that no DPS is ever a must pull because without their dedicated supports they're much, much less useful. Supports/pseudo-supports that enable a playstyle like Robin for FUA, Kafka for DOT, Bronya/Sparkle for Hypercarry, Ruan Mei for everything, etc. will pretty much always be relevant because they have more long-term value. For someone to powercreep Ruan Mei, they need to be better than her in every single one of her teams (Dot, regular break, superbreak, blade jingliu, etc.). For someone to powercreep Acheron they just need to do bigger number. Just look at what's happened to Jing Liu and DHIL. Still, all that being said it's not like any of these characters are going to become irrelevant any time soon. A well invested Seele on a mono-quantum team will still rip through moc and apoc shadow. The only real difference now is that the floor is higher on the newer characters, while the ceiling has only risen by a little bit (Seele's mono-quantum team's performance is only behind hyperbreak, acheron, and ipc teams in Apoc Shadow, outperforming any DHIL/Jingliu hypercarry comps). Plus, there's no telling what new supports arrive to offer new synergies to older characters (superbreak for Jingyuan and Himeko, Jade for Blade, Sparkle for Seele, Robin, Ratio and Aventurine for Topaz, etc.). The TL;DR is basically this: so long as you have 2 good DPSes and 2 limited sustains/1+Gallagher E2, support characters always offer higher investment value than more limited DPSes since after all, you can only run 2 teams in the endgame and Herta/Himeko exist for Pure Fiction.
I think Gepard goes to Better options. Right now there are not so many shielders, and the only one better than him is Aventurine. Fu Xuan does completely different thing, same with abundance characters.
was looking for something like this as someone who just started playing 2 weeks ago :)
Clara ther is a crime she carry me since day 1 game till now 1 cycle last moc and 2 cycle this moc as f2p she deserves better in normal setup she is jingliu lv jingliu is better at 0 cycle but clara is better at pf personally will put her at meta teir and for moc she mostly better than Argenti for sure
clara is very solid and one of the better characters to lose your 50 50 fs if you are new
how did you one cycle moc with clara??? let me know the team plz
@@yinsomniac4128 is the last moc now 2 cycle cuz the cup guy dont atk
Gepard is really good ... If u don't know or play him u shouldn't just put him in the worst tier with a laugh ... He cared me since 1.0 til now .
Aint no way you're putting Clara in the tier as Welt.
Can barely hear you over the music. Unfortunately, it made the video unwatchable.
noted. thanks for the tip. im still new to this
imo yanquing is the best unit to get in reroll. . hear me out. . he will suck all your bad luck at the start of your playthrough and you will be getting better rates later. . that's what happened to me. . my first 5* was yanquing and I kid you not, I have only lost 50/50 one time in my entire playthrough of honkai. .
lmaoooo
Hey is there an Email or discord ID i can use to reach out to you?
discord link is in the channel bio