Hehe. I love Ruike, thanks to their folding knivew I got in love with 14c28n steel and to this day I believe it's one of best price-quality ratio for edc. I never had Jagger but their folding knives are great for price they ask for(even their premium variants with titanium handles and s35v or 154cm are not expensive) For anyone interested, Ruike is part of Fenix company one that make flashlights, and I think some of their earlier or cheaper knives are made by sanremu. Something like olight and their oknife series that is made by kizer.
Great video and what I expected from Esee. Ruike must be doing their own heat treatment to get that result. I would go with your summary at the end, no Esee fan marketing there. They should give buyers the choice of a 60hrc heat treatment.
@ For me it's the other way around, the Ruike fits much better (both handles being small) I don't hold the Esee well, short square handle... I have more than 150 knives, many of them 3 fingers long and this is the worst (for me)... maybe it's perfect for you. But I'm not the only one saying that, there are many reviews of this knife and more than 50% have the same opinion.
@@GreenBeetle Your comments were interesting: do you view ESEE as a more serious knife company, and therefore wonder how an AEB-L Esse 4 would measure up to the what I infer you are suggesting, that Ruike is a less serious knife company that happened to used better steel? Win for steel choice and less costly manufacturing insofar as the consumer goes? Feel free to be noncommittal if you wish!
I have both and the Ruike is far superior (it is not a hunting knife) it is a combat and defense knife that is why there are no sharp edges on the back... the holes are to tie it to your hand for safety in combat... on the other hand, saying that the Esee 4 is more ergonomic is a fallacy (do you have wrist hands?)... I refurbished that handle a thousand times and it could never fit my hand (medium size)... all the honest reviews say that the Esee 4 handle is small, short and you really feel insecure with it. The only advantage of the Esee is the strength of the 1095 (more flexible) and that would be all, I had a disagreement via email with Mr. Randall and his disastrous Esee 4... I left mine as a decoration disassembled in the background for my videos. And I can assure you that being the owner of the Esee 6 and several Rat-1 ... it is the worst knife you can buy for the money they ask. Great review, greetings
Oooh. Interesting. I guess the swedge makes more sense in that case. If it’s a combat knife it’s prob not a serious one at 4”. Handle is too small for bigger guys I wouldn’t see it as a military knife. I don’t know who has time to lash it to their hand for a knife fight unless you’re MJ in the music video “Bad” or Liam Neeson about to fight a pack of wolves?🙂
@@GreenBeetle Well in some parts of the world that grip is used a lot for fights (you guys associate combat a lot only with war) don't you know that there are fights like muggings and other things in the streets? ...that's why I said combat and defense... and a big knife is not always better (in this case) it's also easy to hide as EDC... the guard and the geometry of that guy gets stuck in your hand, small for some, but notice that the Esee 4 is infinitely more uncomfortable in my hands, it seems to slip and I'm not sure about it (I was an esee fan) until the day I tested the nefarious esee 4
I'd take my Esee 4 any day over the other. I've had that knife fall off the hood of my truck going 50mph and only barely chipped the G10 scales. It's 1095. Isn't no premium steel but I can trust it and I can sharpen it in only a few minutes. I own several Esee blades in 1095. I'd like to see how the S35VN does. I wonder if that would have paired up better to the 14c28n?
"No one can tell you what to think or how to feel about a knife." Yes, you can. You can't make me actually buy it, but you can indeed tell me what to think or how to feel about a knife. Yes.
@@GreenBeetle Seriously though, a surprising result. I may pick up a Ruike soon-ish. Hoping the handle isn't on the small side for my ogrish meat hooks. Good video bud!
Most people only take esee cause it's "made in america" while ruike is chinese brand, but if they both american made blade, bet most of you would take rukike jager for sure
smh all these makers should be water quenching their 1095, and at 54 hrc, i know they aint. like bruh, just ue 1084 or O1, they reach full hardness oil quenching and will have better edge retention than oil quenched 1095 AND its like the sam price. Otherwise, nice job America :D
Nah. Just a fast 9 second oil designed for water quenching steels like Parks 50. But knowing esee, I imagine they harden properly and draw it back in the temper. With that thick of an edge, even as a "hard use" blade 1095 would have no trouble in the 60-62 hrc range.
@@grnsouth1204 i read the literature, and tested it personally. Parks 50 is faster than the speed of oil youre referencing and even with an oil faster than youre saying, its still lacking a handfull of HRC over a water quench, where it always hardens fully. Im pretty sure theres a knife steel nerds article where 1095 and w2 specificly are quenched in fast oil and water and compared, which is worth a look. 1084 is significantly more hardenable though and will fully harden in a fast oil. I agree that this kind of knife could definitely handle 62 hrc and thinner geometry even. maybe its a combonation of sub optimal heat treat and being afraid some guy on youtube is gonna hammer it through a nail.
Im sorry but the "serious design flaws" Section is such a joke. The second lanyard hole is for more options, why would you NOT want it there?. The swedge is for better piercing and cutting performance... should be obvious. The handles are small becauss its for a chinese market which usually has small hands, not everything is for Americans believe it or not and having a rounded spine is excellent for people who use their knives for more than 5 minutes at a time. It feels like the ruike is just the obviously better knife and comes at a much cheaper price that your trying desperately to make the comparison even when it is clearly not.
Its certainly a bit closer between these two compared to the last lot. Don't know why they keep opting in for the pudding soft 1095, the 14C28 isn't anything amazing either but in this case it makes a better blade
@@GreenBeetle If they're all about the toughness, old school steels like 52100 and 5160 are vastly tougher than 1095, hold an edge about the same. To extent I'd probably put both of them around twice as tough- which if you've got a human attached to one end of a 5" knife with a 4" handle I just don't see them even bending much less break
I love these tests. Thank you
I have wondered before why you hardly see larger knives in 14c28n when it's so tough and stainless. Nice to see a good example.
Hey, Thanks! Share them with some friends! 🙏
Hehe. I love Ruike, thanks to their folding knivew I got in love with 14c28n steel and to this day I believe it's one of best price-quality ratio for edc.
I never had Jagger but their folding knives are great for price they ask for(even their premium variants with titanium handles and s35v or 154cm are not expensive)
For anyone interested, Ruike is part of Fenix company one that make flashlights, and I think some of their earlier or cheaper knives are made by sanremu. Something like olight and their oknife series that is made by kizer.
Nice work comparing the two knives. Good bottom line if you ask me.... Thumbs up :)
Great video and what I expected from Esee. Ruike must be doing their own heat treatment to get that result. I would go with your summary at the end, no Esee fan marketing there. They should give buyers the choice of a 60hrc heat treatment.
I only criticize the poor ergonomics of the ESEE 4... everything else is fine.
I guess now you understand why Ruike won in almost all my comparisons, almost a perfect knife
Yeah 58-60. Or AEB-L is tough and cheap but it has to be cryo’d. I bet sandvik 14c28n is tough enough too.
I liked the 4s ergonomics I’d just change out the handles.
@ For me it's the other way around, the Ruike fits much better (both handles being small) I don't hold the Esee well, short square handle... I have more than 150 knives, many of them 3 fingers long and this is the worst (for me)... maybe it's perfect for you. But I'm not the only one saying that, there are many reviews of this knife and more than 50% have the same opinion.
For the Algorythm. Love it.
Thank you to Swedish steel for making this knife so desirable. But I still continue to use my ESEE 5.
I was surprised by the result. Sandvik did great.
@@GreenBeetle Your comments were interesting: do you view ESEE as a more serious knife company, and therefore wonder how an AEB-L Esse 4 would measure up to the what I infer you are suggesting, that Ruike is a less serious knife company that happened to used better steel? Win for steel choice and less costly manufacturing insofar as the consumer goes? Feel free to be noncommittal if you wish!
I have both and the Ruike is far superior (it is not a hunting knife) it is a combat and defense knife that is why there are no sharp edges on the back... the holes are to tie it to your hand for safety in combat... on the other hand, saying that the Esee 4 is more ergonomic is a fallacy (do you have wrist hands?)... I refurbished that handle a thousand times and it could never fit my hand (medium size)... all the honest reviews say that the Esee 4 handle is small, short and you really feel insecure with it. The only advantage of the Esee is the strength of the 1095 (more flexible) and that would be all, I had a disagreement via email with Mr. Randall and his disastrous Esee 4... I left mine as a decoration disassembled in the background for my videos. And I can assure you that being the owner of the Esee 6 and several Rat-1 ... it is the worst knife you can buy for the money they ask. Great review, greetings
Oooh. Interesting. I guess the swedge makes more sense in that case. If it’s a combat knife it’s prob not a serious one at 4”. Handle is too small for bigger guys I wouldn’t see it as a military knife. I don’t know who has time to lash it to their hand for a knife fight unless you’re MJ in the music video “Bad” or Liam Neeson about to fight a pack of wolves?🙂
@@GreenBeetle Well in some parts of the world that grip is used a lot for fights (you guys associate combat a lot only with war) don't you know that there are fights like muggings and other things in the streets? ...that's why I said combat and defense... and a big knife is not always better (in this case) it's also easy to hide as EDC... the guard and the geometry of that guy gets stuck in your hand, small for some, but notice that the Esee 4 is infinitely more uncomfortable in my hands, it seems to slip and I'm not sure about it (I was an esee fan) until the day I tested the nefarious esee 4
well done
For the price points, seems like solid knives. For a bit it almost seemed like a paid ad for them, they did that well.
I've always preferred 14C28N over 1095
I'd take my Esee 4 any day over the other. I've had that knife fall off the hood of my truck going 50mph and only barely chipped the G10 scales. It's 1095. Isn't no premium steel but I can trust it and I can sharpen it in only a few minutes. I own several Esee blades in 1095. I'd like to see how the S35VN does. I wonder if that would have paired up better to the 14c28n?
"No one can tell you what to think or how to feel about a knife." Yes, you can. You can't make me actually buy it, but you can indeed tell me what to think or how to feel about a knife. Yes.
And I did! 😎 did you buy it?
@@GreenBeetle no... But honestly I do like Esee.. just not in the market for another knife just yet.
@@GreenBeetle Seriously though, a surprising result. I may pick up a Ruike soon-ish. Hoping the handle isn't on the small side for my ogrish meat hooks. Good video bud!
😫 that hurts. Brand means nothing to me but “made in USA”…. That’s no Bueno. We can do better than that come on🤦🏼♂️
Most people only take esee cause it's "made in america" while ruike is chinese brand, but if they both american made blade, bet most of you would take rukike jager for sure
smh all these makers should be water quenching their 1095, and at 54 hrc, i know they aint. like bruh, just ue 1084 or O1, they reach full hardness oil quenching and will have better edge retention than oil quenched 1095 AND its like the sam price. Otherwise, nice job America :D
Nah. Just a fast 9 second oil designed for water quenching steels like Parks 50. But knowing esee, I imagine they harden properly and draw it back in the temper. With that thick of an edge, even as a "hard use" blade 1095 would have no trouble in the 60-62 hrc range.
@@grnsouth1204 i read the literature, and tested it personally. Parks 50 is faster than the speed of oil youre referencing and even with an oil faster than youre saying, its still lacking a handfull of HRC over a water quench, where it always hardens fully. Im pretty sure theres a knife steel nerds article where 1095 and w2 specificly are quenched in fast oil and water and compared, which is worth a look.
1084 is significantly more hardenable though and will fully harden in a fast oil.
I agree that this kind of knife could definitely handle 62 hrc and thinner geometry even. maybe its a combonation of sub optimal heat treat and being afraid some guy on youtube is gonna hammer it through a nail.
Im sorry but the "serious design flaws" Section is such a joke. The second lanyard hole is for more options, why would you NOT want it there?. The swedge is for better piercing and cutting performance... should be obvious. The handles are small becauss its for a chinese market which usually has small hands, not everything is for Americans believe it or not and having a rounded spine is excellent for people who use their knives for more than 5 minutes at a time. It feels like the ruike is just the obviously better knife and comes at a much cheaper price that your trying desperately to make the comparison even when it is clearly not.
Its certainly a bit closer between these two compared to the last lot. Don't know why they keep opting in for the pudding soft 1095, the 14C28 isn't anything amazing either but in this case it makes a better blade
Yeah 56 hrc I guess they still want a prybar. There’s prob better options than soft 1095 that aren’t as expensive as 3v.
@@GreenBeetle If they're all about the toughness, old school steels like 52100 and 5160 are vastly tougher than 1095, hold an edge about the same. To extent I'd probably put both of them around twice as tough- which if you've got a human attached to one end of a 5" knife with a 4" handle I just don't see them even bending much less break