No. 1275: The Basics

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  • Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
  • Built in 1874, No. 1275 is the oldest-surviving Stephenson "Long-Boiler" locomotive in Britain. Designed by William Bouch for serivce on the Stockton & Darlington Railway, 192 examples of his 1001 Class were built between 1852 and 1875, of which No. 1275 was the "last man standing" in 1923.

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  • @garryferrington811
    @garryferrington811 2 года назад +2

    192 built! That's pretty successful.
    Those 8-wheeler cabs look as large as any ever used in Britain.

  • @SuperYoshi411
    @SuperYoshi411 11 месяцев назад +3

    I saw 1275 at York. A truly beautiful locomotive, I do love six coupled goods engines like this one.
    Nice video 👍

  • @KPen3750
    @KPen3750 2 года назад +27

    A worthy counterpart to Chris Eden-Green's Sole SLIP on this engine! well done as always. Also, lovely shoutout to my local railroad here in the states, the beautiful Pennsylvania Railroad

    • @AlexWeiss94
      @AlexWeiss94 2 года назад +8

      Ah, a fellow Pennsy and Eden-Green viewer! Two great minds think alike!

    • @roberthuron9160
      @roberthuron9160 2 года назад

      Kyle Pennypacker,- Any relation to BERT PENNYPACKER,a very famous and prolific railroad writer?? His books influenced a couple of generations of railfans,as he covered a lot of Northeastern railroads,and especially those operating in the Philadelphia area! His knowledge was inspiring and seemingly unlimited! Thank you for your attention ☺! 🚂🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚂

    • @KPen3750
      @KPen3750 2 года назад

      @@roberthuron9160 Honestly, not direct relation, probably like, 3rd or 4th cousins. But thats pretty cool! I'll check him out

  • @JRS06
    @JRS06 5 месяцев назад +3

    Quite an odd thought to think that this loco rode on what is basically the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. I've visited the NYMR quite a bit these past few months, and I still can't picture the Long Boiler travelling on the line.
    No. 1275 is a very nice locomotive when all is said and done. I have no idea if it'll be lucky enough to stay at the NRM or not, bit I wouldn't mind if York kept it around as a lot of NER locos originally preserved at York like Aerolite and No. 1621 (which would be nice locos to get videos on) which have since gone elsewhere.

  • @YJRail
    @YJRail 2 года назад +1

    2:56 160 looks soo good with the American-style cab, just gonna make that statement.

  • @fernandoqueirozpopovic7024
    @fernandoqueirozpopovic7024 2 года назад +1

    Such vibrant history of this locomotive, I'm sure I'd have some more to say but the wifi is so bad at the moment that it's loading a few seconds at a time.

  • @Poliss95
    @Poliss95 2 года назад +15

    Can you do a Basics on the different types of valve gear?

    • @KPen3750
      @KPen3750 2 года назад +4

      I second this request

    • @the4tierbridge
      @the4tierbridge 2 года назад +3

      I third.

    • @ardsleytank7769
      @ardsleytank7769 2 года назад +1

      @@the4tierbridge fifth

    • @channelsixtysix066
      @channelsixtysix066 2 года назад +3

      Great idea.

    • @SDE1994
      @SDE1994 2 года назад +5

      in a Q&A has said that he wants to do valve gear videos but would prefer to have animated visuals to help explain them which would mean paying an artist to do it

  • @MJC19
    @MJC19 10 месяцев назад

    I got to see her in person at york just yesterday and i must say, the pictures do NOT do Any Justice to show just how Massive this locomotive is, amazing video my friend!

  • @williamhoward2731
    @williamhoward2731 2 года назад +2

    I wish to thank you for sharing this awesome Historical Railroad video with me .

  • @malcolmtaylor518
    @malcolmtaylor518 2 года назад +2

    Bouch's locomotives have a certain idiosyncratic look, and indeed had some unusual engineering features with the motion. Love the Stockton and Darlington railway, what a pioneering line, as they invented railways. And of course the livery is beautiful.

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +2

      I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest the S&D "Invented" Railways. It was more a coming together of existing ideas. It wasn't the first public railway; it wasn't the first railway to use steam locomotion (and the S&D didn't use steam exclusively); nor was it the first to carry passengers. It wasn't even the first to move passengers by steam power. It's a transitional, liminal, railway: neither a mineral line nor a public mainline railway. In many respects it's still a mineral line with its mix of motive power; single track; and operational practices. And whilst it was a public railway open to all users and with capital held in publicaly owned shares, the majority were owned by a single family and it was operated and managed pretty much as a family business rather than a joint-stock company.

    • @malcolmtaylor518
      @malcolmtaylor518 2 года назад

      @@AnthonyDawsonHistory But the most profitable constituent of the North Eastern railway when the amalgamation took place.

  • @johnd8892
    @johnd8892 2 года назад +11

    Interesting story on this preserved locomotive type.
    The 49 years working life seems on the short side compared to the Australian Z19 long boiler type from Beyer Peacock lasting from 1877 to 1971 in service.
    The S&D 4-4-0 with the very modern looking cab for this period is supposed to have got complaints from crews instead of praise. Might be the reason it took a while to catch on.

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +5

      Yeah I've just been reading about them, and the E17s.Both very strong contenders for videos :-)

    • @ralphbalfoort2909
      @ralphbalfoort2909 2 года назад

      Why do so many earlier British steam locomotives lack full cabs? Didn't anyone care about exposing the engine crew to the weather?

    • @Roeno
      @Roeno 2 года назад

      @@ralphbalfoort2909 in the netherlands it took a while, becouse they thought te engine crew would get to comforteble. And they were afraid they would fall asleep in the comfort.
      That made te engine crew take alcolic drinks with them in harsh weather, what brought their own problems with them

  • @kimballthurlow577
    @kimballthurlow577 2 года назад +6

    Thank you Anthony, the NER receives less attention than some of the other pre-1923 companies. Very interesting story.

    • @AlanLancasterAlanRLancaster
      @AlanLancasterAlanRLancaster 2 года назад

      The NER was arguably the most profitable railway during its long existence (1854-1922), absorbing the Leeds Northern, the York, Newcastle & Berwick and York & North Midland railways, then the Stockton & Darlington and a number of smaller, struggling railways in the North Riding of Yorkshire and South Durham and... Lastly the Hull & Barnsley Railway. The S&DR was absorbed on favourable terms to its shareholders, (a 'salute' to its status as First In The World as public railway with steam haulage, although not for passengers for some time after its inception). Previous to the S&DR Cornish mine engineer Richard Trevithick had operated steam powered mineral workings, and George Stephenson had done the same in Northumberland. The difference was the S&DR was first to carry passengers and first to adopt 'wagon load' goods services for public and private use.

  • @martinhall60
    @martinhall60 2 года назад +1

    A very interesting and informative program, well done.

  • @JonatanGronoset
    @JonatanGronoset 2 года назад

    Delightful as always, good content! I particularly like the design of No.160s cab, I'm certain her crew enjoyed the comfort!

  • @AbeTheBabe6233
    @AbeTheBabe6233 2 года назад

    i actually seen this at the york museum straight after seeing flying scotsman with the waverly leaving york. this is a very intresting design in my opinion. keep up the good work!

  • @cogidubnus1953
    @cogidubnus1953 2 года назад

    Downside to this Friday...the missus has been away a few days pet-sitting but has now returned...Upside, a few moments of railway bliss for which I thank you! :-)

  • @matteomarmiroli1713
    @matteomarmiroli1713 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful locomotive

  • @knuckles1206
    @knuckles1206 2 года назад +3

    A nicely done episode as always, i'd just like to point out tho that it was Daniel Gooch's bogey class that introduced the American wheel arangement to britain, there was also a 4-4-0ST designed by Craven of the LBSC numbered 130 built in june 1859. Nothing serious tho

    • @ajaxengineco
      @ajaxengineco 2 года назад +1

      The Met had it's 4-4-0Ts by that time, I believe, but correct me if I'm wrong.

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +2

      The Met 4-4-0Ts were 1864, based on a design from 1862 for the Tudela & Bilboa Railway. Designed by Herman Lange at Peacocks in Manchester.

  • @bobsmodellingmayhem8632
    @bobsmodellingmayhem8632 2 года назад

    It seems that the locomotive development on the Stockton and Darlington Railway (pre NER) deserves a special video all of their own, with all the different designs they had.

  • @RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS
    @RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS 2 года назад

    5:45 - That black livery with the lettering interrupted by numbers is very 1880s American looking, perhaps also a result of the Wordsells having worked at Altoona?
    I've always really liked the strange proportions of this little hauler. It has such an exaggerated British 0-6-0 silhouette and at just about every opportunity, something is just a bit off, like the buffers being constructed "inside out", the cab shape, and of course the odd wheel spacing brought about by the Long Boiler. Really great coverage as always, definitely my favorite bit of info is the fact that this locomotive was compatible with Chauldron wagons - Lends much to the imagination!

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад

      The plain black North Eastern livery was nothing to do with the Worsdells. T W Worsdell introduced the now familiar fullly lined NER green in 1885 with red-brown frames. From 1903 all NER goods locomotives were turned out in black, lined vermillion (1/4 inch) with yellow numerals etc which were drop-shaded. The vermillion lining was dropped during WW1 as an austerity measure.

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 2 года назад +2

    Great video...👍👍
    FWIW: I am somewhat surprised UK locomotives did not incorporate the American style cab covers, seeing how _notorious_ the weather is known to be there.

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 2 года назад +1

      America can have ferocious blizzards. I don't think Britain gets many of those.

  • @Zero-fo3rq
    @Zero-fo3rq 2 года назад

    I don't know if you do request or not but i love your channel and all the history of the locomotives of the old age i was wondering if someday you might cover the GWR buffalo tanks and their saddle to pannier tank forms?

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад

      It all depends on a) getting the research and b) more importantly images of the loco which I can publish on RUclips. There's so many locos I want to do but can't get images/decent imges :(

  • @TringsTrainsProductions
    @TringsTrainsProductions 2 года назад +1

    Great video as always, where did you find the photo at 2:15?

  • @richardbradley961
    @richardbradley961 2 года назад +1

    GOOD

  • @Tom-Lahaye
    @Tom-Lahaye 2 года назад +1

    This locomotive has a French flair over it with the stovepipe chimney and dome/safety valve cover.
    That first 4-4-0 looked very good, but indeed did locomotive men of the era gain part of their status by their manliness, being though to withstand the cold and wet weather that the UK has.
    A proper cab giving protection against those elements didn't fit in the picture.
    But maybe it took on earlier in the US because it can get much colder there in the NE and hot in the SW.

    • @chefchaudard3580
      @chefchaudard3580 2 года назад

      Here in Europe, the general idea was that leaving the crew unprotected would prevent them from falling asleep and help them stay alert. Add to that that workers comfort was historically rarely considered at the time, workers themselves having little consideration for it (and health and safety, up to the 80s... 1980s), in the name of male pride.
      I have no idea why the US thought differently. Maybe a mix of what you suggest, more extreme weathers, and a different mindset all over the industry that missed European historical background and was more targeted for efficiency.
      After all, the US invented the notion of ergonomics, if I am not mistaken.

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +1

      Then again, during the 19e rail workers hours were limited to 11 hours days; rail companies had to provide winter clothing for free and they also had to supply a hot drink (cocoa, coffee , wine) for free in winter to the loco crews. They were also gauranteed four days off per month, far better than working conditions in Britain for example where there was no cap on working hours.

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 2 года назад

      The only reason railroads in America ever did anything for the workers was the threat of unions. Mississippi steamboats had a pilot's "benevolent association" long before the war.
      Literally thousands were killed, crippled, and maimed before unions forced Congress to mandate universal adoption of knuckle couplers and Westinghouse air brakes.

  • @RailPreserver2K
    @RailPreserver2K 2 года назад +2

    Speaking of the Pennsylvania railroad one of its locomotives is finally being restored after 30 years.

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +2

      yes I saw on facebook. Really exciting prospect

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 2 года назад

      Isn't it a K4s? Those actually influenced the LNER! The LNER then influenced the color scheme of the Southern railrroad's heavy pacifics.
      For their time, the K4s were among the best engines anywhere. The USRA heavy pacific was based on them. ( Guide to North American Steam Locomotives.)

  • @channelsixtysix066
    @channelsixtysix066 2 года назад +6

    I've never understood the poor "cab" design of British and European locomotives, leaving the crew out in all weathers. GWR were the worst at this. It took until Collet's appointment as CME, before cab design improved with the Castle Class.

    • @neiloflongbeck5705
      @neiloflongbeck5705 2 года назад +4

      When the S&D introduced the large enclosed cab the crews complained about them saying that the crews from the other companies would ridicule them as soft.

    • @knuckles1206
      @knuckles1206 2 года назад +2

      @@neiloflongbeck5705 they were just jealous

    • @ajaxengineco
      @ajaxengineco 2 года назад +4

      I remember a story regarding the industrial shunters, built by Black, Hawthorn, working at Kettering Furnaces. They mostly had full cabs, but one retained its original open weatherboard, because:
      'The driver of the shunting engine was a bit of a he-man, & did not want 'sissy' cabs on his locomotive - everyone else has cursed him since!'
      This was in the 50s/60s!

    • @chefchaudard3580
      @chefchaudard3580 2 года назад +2

      @@ajaxengineco I have commented along the same lines in another post.
      "Here in Europe, the general idea was that leaving the crew unprotected would prevent them from falling asleep and help them stay alert. Add to that that workers comfort was historically rarely considered at the time, workers themselves having little consideration for it (and health and safety, up to the 80s... 1980s), in the name of male pride."
      I visited recently an abandoned lead/silver mine in Brittany. It was mainly used in the 18th and 19th centuries. Working there was tough, and dangerous. Not only in the mine itself, as we can imagine, but also in workshops where lead and silver were extracted. Workers litteraly breathed and handled various very dangerous chemicals like lead, arsenic, mercury with no protection at all. These men died young.
      What is surprising is that they never complained. There is no record of a complaint, or a strike. They knew the risks, but were proud of there work. Protection improved with time only because of engineers and managers concerns.

    • @ajaxengineco
      @ajaxengineco 2 года назад +1

      @@chefchaudard3580 I think it's to do with that typical old-fashioned European worker mindset, which was so prevalent long ago but now is thankfully ebbing away. It can be summed up as: 'I was born to work hard, & I shall do so without complaint, regardless of conditions, & at the end of the day I shall be proud of it.' Not a healthy moral to work by, but one which took long to die off.

  • @georgepom328
    @georgepom328 2 года назад

    Can you do some more locos that are modern like the B12, Maunsell Q Class

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +1

      I'm afraid not. My interest and the main thrust of this channel is 1800-1860. I occasionlly locomotives which are later, but C20th steam is covered pretty well elsewhere and I neither have the interest, nor am I qualified to talk about anything really post 1890.

    • @georgepom328
      @georgepom328 2 года назад

      @@AnthonyDawsonHistory Fair enough

  • @jenniferphipps2012
    @jenniferphipps2012 2 года назад +1

    Twelve Seventy-Five The Timetrialed Engine

  • @datguymiller
    @datguymiller 2 года назад

    What defines a "long boiler" steam engine

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад +1

      Having all the whees between the smokebox and firebox under the terms of Robert Stephenson's 1841 Patent.

  • @22pcirish
    @22pcirish 2 года назад

    She should go ‘home’ to the NRM annex at Shildon.

  • @raymondleggs5508
    @raymondleggs5508 2 года назад

    You might as well not even have a cab!

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад

      Its better than nothing! Which is all you can say for many British C19th cabs....

  • @jimbos3421
    @jimbos3421 2 года назад

    Whats the big deal? Here across the pond, 0-6-0’s were the most common wheel arrangement!

    • @AnthonyDawsonHistory
      @AnthonyDawsonHistory  2 года назад

      They were as well in Europe - but it's the design, the "Long Boiler" with all the wheels between the cylinders and firebox which is important. It's not just any 0-6-0. It's a design patented by Robert Stephenson himself in 1840 and perpetuated not just in Britain but globally. The "Long Boiler" design is important and influential. :-)

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 2 года назад

      You're certainly not talking about the US. The most common wheel arrangements were 4-2-0 (briefly), then 4-4-0, then 2-8-0.