@@TEJUS_667 but I've heard they've even shot pretty much the whole show before he became the director I even saw pics from it and stuff but they scratched all that and redid it
@@justonedayy_ yeah, I believe they said it was about 80% done when Levinson took over as director and scrapped all that had previously been done. From those photos they released a few days ago of the original, it doesn't even look like they used any of the same costumes or sets. Wish we got to see that one!
The fact that Sam wrote a story in which someone is falsely accused of rape, in 2023, is fucking MIND BLOWING!!!! Like sir, of all things you could write, you chose a narrative that is LITERALLY DANGEROUS to women. Cool, thanks Sam.
i think that was one of the most sinister points from the series, because you know that levinson and tesfaye want to make a us sympathize for someone accused of sa. it’s a very blatant “cancel culture ruins another innocent man’s life, people need to stop jumping on the bandwagon.” in real life the cases of people being falsely accused of sa are so statistically minuscule; it’s very evil and sinister of levinson and tesfaye to write a storyline like that, especially when it’s unresolved.
@valeriatsukino and to hide this supposed innocence until the very end is just the height of manipulation. Its like "and now for my next trick, male exoneration"
Is it a coincidence that Lily Rose-Depp got cast? I don’t want to blame her for anything and I don’t actually know if she distanced herself from Johnny Depp during the trials or took any stance at all..just wondering if anyone knows?
What pisses me off the most is Sam’s interview afterwards where he says Tedros is the victim…. Tedros. The man who held a woman hostage after physically abusing her for an undisclosed amount of time. He was arrested for “pimping women against their will” which is sex trafficking. And we know it’s true because abused multiple members of the cult ON SCREEN, he beats the shit out of Joselyn (it doesn’t matter if she wanted it, it’s still an abuser taking advantage of someone vulnerable), and is a literal cult leader!! The things that “happen” to him are his cult leaves him and his crimes are exposed publicly so he can’t abuse people anymore. HE IS NOT A FUCKING VICTIM SAM!!!!!
@@valeriatsukinobut you don’t get it! She said the police would kill him if he did, so basically they are pretty much the same. - Sam Levinson probably
4:18 I’ve worked on movie and tv sets… It is not a joke. The amount of energy expended on preventing intimacy coordinators from being on set is pretty staggering. One show I was on made an excuse to fire ours, and then just never hired another one. Another show just deferred approving our coordinator’s flight until it was almost impossible for her to make it on her scheduled work date. I actually had to intervene and force the (male) producers to ask the barely 18 yo actress if she felt safe without our intimacy coordinator, which of course she didn’t. The producers hadn’t seen it as a big deal, and didn’t want to deal with the expense and hassle of what they saw as a stupid corporate imposition. But the networks and showrunners love to brag about hiring them and the veneer of responsibility they provide.
A show depicting women lying about their childhood and past trauma, and women banding together to falsely accuse a man of pimping and sex trafficking after McCurdy's book on her mom, and everything that happened with Andrew Tate... it hits different. And made and produced by two powerful men in Hollywood?? It honestly feels so, so gross tbh. Like what is the need to center MEN in these stories of how the industry abuses women? To center men in the stories of how "charismatic" manipulative men abuse women? And the conclusion is boo hoo men are victims?? Miss me with that bullshit
Do i even have to bring up the literal world tour that Britney Spears was forced into? By her fucking dad😒 I mean...there's allegations of human trafficking because she was forced to work abroad against her will. And morons like Sam would side with the abuser in situations like this??
omg yes !! i also immediately thought of mccurdy and andrew tate and those were such big moments on the internet that they had to know abt it. it rlly feels like its on purpose and thats just soo disugsting. the message this sends to its consumers (teen girls, the ones that literally make them money) is soooo dangerous
Here is the thing, *IF* the show is implying that Joselyn made up her mom’s abuse to manipulate people, that means that as a literal child, she spent YEARS lying and pretending like she was an abuse victim to somehow manipulate everyone on her team into thinking she was being abused, despite never witnessing abuse. Because everyone on her team knew about the abuse, it’s not just Issac who mentions it before her announcement. So either it’s a MASSIVE plot hole, or a literal child spent years pretending to be abused in order to… idk what, it makes no sense!!!!!! I personally did not take that scene to mean she made up her abuse, I took it to mean she bought a new brush to keep remembering the abuse from her mom because she couldn’t let it go. But that’s the problem at the heart of this, the writing is just MESSY and makes no sense!!!
@@uncarleythe more I think about it, the worse it gets! Like, for example, when they torture Isaac for not stopping Jocelyn‘s mom, whenever he saw her accusing Jocelyn, and when doing so he doesn’t say “what abuse? I never saw any abuse.” He says that Joselyn was also in on the contract, and that she manipulates people, but he doesn’t say “she wasn’t abused.”
So I think you're overlooking something. I think she was raised by a genuinely abusive mom, but idk if that extended to physical abuse. But either way, she can have an abusive mom and still lie about this specific instance of abuse. Like your husband can bitch slap you on the daily, and you can still lie about him punching you in the gut, you know? But like, what does it all mean in the end. Either way, it's stupid.
I like your interpretation. Also, maybe she bought a new brush to turn her trauma into a kink? I know some people who have been traumatized turn their trauma into kinks so that it doesn't hurt them anymore. So maybe she wanted Tedros to hit her with the brush? It's new because it's separate from the actual brush used to actually abuse her? No idea LOL
@@BooksReboundBUT THEN SHE IS STILL A VICTIM!!!!!!!!! And if Sam’s message is “hurt people hurt people” then that’s so fucking boring and just not true.
Sam Levinson/The Weekday actually said "women be shopping, lying, manipulative, shallow, sexually nasty, lying again" then really expected us to give them their flowers...🤡
This show made it very clear to me that if Sam Levinson and The Weekend didn’t already have careers that they’d be Manosphere podcast bros that say they know the truth about “modern women” and how we really think 😂
The final episode really hammers home the idea of not believing female victims. Jocelyn’s ex, Rob, was falsely accused of rape, and the response to that was so unrealistic. The woman was immediately believed, to the point that within a few days the movie studio had completely edited him out of the movie he was in. And then, in Sam’s own words, by the end of the show Tedros is actually Jocelyn’s victim. Never mind the fact that, whether or not she was “in control” the whole time, Tedros still believed he was manipulating and abusing her!
That was actually one of the few plot lines I believed because this is what basically happened to Johnny Depp and why he needed to take Amber Heard to court to clear his name. Still doesn't excuse the massive plot holes in the rest of the show though. Seems like this series badly needed that one more episode in order to fully explain everything (maybe), but at the same time I'm not sad that HBO cut it.
@@mamaya311 except 1) Amber never publicly accused him of anything, she was sued for a stupid ass article that doesn't even mention his name or accuses him 2) Johnny DID abuse her, there is plenty of evidence
@@anto4380delaguaridaa I watched the entire trial myself. They go into detail how when that article came out, sure it didn't mention his name but everyone in Hollywood knew who she was referring to and that's why he was cut out of Pirates and bunch of other movies. It's also why he was awarded damages by the jury. As for the second point, I think they verbally abused each other. However, when it came to the physical abuse part of it, it seemed to me that JD lost the tip of his finger while Amber's bruises seemed either fabricated or blown out of proportion. It's hard to discern given how much lying she did on the stand. Anyway, tying it back to The Idol, my only point is is that regardless of whether Amber was abused or not, she did use the MeToo movement to try to further her career while destroying JD's. That's the only part of it that reminds me of what I *think* they were trying to portray here with Jocelyn. Although it was done in the most trashy way possible, mind you.
@@mamaya311 the evidence literally proves everything you're saying false you look dumb af coming into a conversation about women lying about abuse and defending an abuser this heavily. the case was tried in the UK and amber's evidence actually won. the us justice system and everyone in the court of public opinion failed her. it "seeming" fabricated to you isn't a fact and just shows your bias, when JD literally sued the UK press for calling him a "wife beater" and LOST the case due to the evidence. so maybe do more research and recognize the power imbalance and the role rape culture plays in cases like this before opening your mouth to talk about women lying about abuse next time.
Not you defending his abusive ass....amber literally just defended herself there's not "they both abused eachother" narrative there. He even had violent bursting to his exs and his text wishing for amber to die and r*ape her corpse where public BEFORE she even properly demanding his sorry ass
I love that Sam and The Weeknd took a story about female empowerment and said “what if the woman who was abused with the real abuser all along????” PS: another fantastic vid bestie
So idk if anyone has pointed this out to you, but there are a lot of similarities between the Weekend’s ex’s and the women in this show. For example Selena had to cancel part of her world tour due to mental health issues, and part of her comeback was a music video in which she rolled around in a bed with a medical bracelet. Honestly my takeaway from this show is that The Weekend and Sam are incredibly insecure and hate women.
damn, and selena was a child star while bella hadid was really messed up by her mom who was obsessed with making her famous. freaky how much hate he has for his exes.
that is messed up. i heard sth about the selena parallels but this is the first time i'm seeing the details. these folks just hate women and are some of the biggest and corniest losers who think they are actually creating some genuine twisted masterpiece or sth😭
@@leeh4669and considering the fact that the script wasn’t completed upon starting, and large portions of it were re-written by Sam after getting The Weekends feedback on set, tells me that it’s not an accident.
If you want to write a twist, you have to write the entire story in a way that people watching don’t finish it and go “wow, here are a list of 5 plot holes that make that twist impossible without even rewatching it!” Otherwise, it’s not a good twist!!!
@@renataaristimuno5269you’re right, being shocking and unpredictable is not on the list of things a twist *needs* to be good, but for some reason writers think that as long as it shocks you it’s enough.
Assuming the original footage still exists. In all likelihood any drives or data library containing the footage was deleted under direct supervision and then physically destroyed. That last one’s not even a metaphor, hard drives containing Batgirl had to be both cleared and literally destroyed to make sure it’s considered truly lost and get the insurance payout.
This entire show gives the vibes if that meme thats like “what if there were 2 astronauts on the moon and one killed the other with a rock. Wouldn’t that be fucked up?”
it’s so sad that they could have had an amazing show about the difficulties of being a woman in hollywood and how so many are emotionally manipulated and used for profit and gaslit into believing that it’s normal and they are the problem, like did they just forget that Britney spears existed?!!!!!!
It's not like there's no shows out there they can pull from either, like, people in hollywood love telling stories about their experiences. There's gotta be a few good or even great shows out there with a similar premise to help guide you through not fucking it up this badly. Plus jeanette mccurdy put her whole story and horrible experience with child stardom in a book you can just read and see a lot of things that happened to her and also happen to many young women and girls on stage. Not to mention the rest of the world's media surrounding the curse of fame. Like japan has fucked up idol culture locked down to a terrifying degree, if you wanna satirize (in the general sense, not specifically the comedic way) idol culture there's definitely some horrible thing that happened to japanese idols that is already so insane as to be satire if it weren't real life (though change a bit because that can be pretty disrespectful lol). Hearing about The Idol so much just made me want to watch perfect blue lol
Instead of painting Jocelyn as a straight up liar and manipulator, I think it would've been cool if they were to instead use her character arc to show how a legitimate victim can become the perpetrator. But, to paint ALL the men in the show as victims and ALL the women in the show as manipulators (with few exceptions), is just cartoonish and not based in any kind of reality. I guess that's why the only character I really liked was the assistant because she was the only sane one who spend the entire time going "WTF is happening?!"
Yeah having Jocelyn turn around and abusing others because of her abuse makes a lot more sense than Turning tedros into some sad boi who's actually the victim.
@@emilylouise620 honest;y just a bunch of tiktokers LMFAO. i didn't really pay too much attention to them so i unfortunately don't know who they are, but most big creators don't support the show which is good!!
idk who you're talking about but i think in youtube land we all hate it?? do tiktokers really like it??????? is this some sort of unexpected outcome content thing
how much do we wanna bet that the twist with the hairbrush was added last minute? because everything in the 4 previous episodes about her mom, her aggressively brushing her hair, xander witnessing it all, all of it seemed to point to the abuse being real, only for them to be like um actually...
Wait...and how did he not realize the hairbrush was new the first time he saw it?? Live, laugh, love being confused. A plot hole a day keeps the sanity away.
If you add the false rape accusations with the ones from Euphoria it really seems like Sam is obsessed with this storyline and that’s sus. I haven’t seen his other works but wouldn’t be shocked if it’s the theme that holds his multiverse together
honestly you should do a video recommending books/movies/tv shows that are about what the idol was supposed to be about (hollywood, work/sex exploitation, young women in the industry) because i think we were all really looking forward to what the original idea of the show was :/
ngl i was kinda surprised at how you were complimenting it in the first episode but i love seeing you diss shows so i’m super happy about this video hahah
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. Levinson loves to justify, minimize, or simply depict sexual violence as a myth women use for social capital. It’s in Euphoria as well, but for some reason I never heard any critiques of it. In Maddy’s episode / introduction, the show portrays statutory rape (between a *14 year-old* and a *40 year-old* !!!) as some kind of ~quirky~ and ~empowering~ escapade Maddy had: “When [Maddy] was 14 on vacation … she met a guy who was like 40” and the narration goes on to say “in retrospect, this seems kind of rapey and weird but honestly she was the one in control.” This chunk of the script can do real harm-it presents the possibility that even in a case where a power dynamic is clearly there due to a giant age gap, gender, as well as physical size, the CHILD involved could be the one to blame. Levinson’s shows normalize sexual violence, even in cases that should be clear cut (LIKE PEDOPHILIA) and when that enters the zeitgeist, that mentality will-and probably already has-put victims of sexual abuse in dangerous positions. Victims of sexual violence already have a hard to impossible time seeking help and safety-the last thing our world needs are popular shows that do what Levinson seems obsessed with doing: pretending that rape isn’t real and / or it’s something that woman weaponize. (Not to mention all of the homophobic rhetoric about closeted gay men being serial-killer-level violent because of their sexuality despite the fact that research has disputed that hateful myth that society concocted to ignore all of the violence that the queer community has endured). Can Levinson stop writing about things he has literally NO idea about ?
that part where everybody is singing and dancing to Jocelyn entourage was the worst thing to ever grace television since we have to watch dominic fike singing that long ass song in euphoria s2 it felt like forever
the way this unfolded and the fact that Lily is, I guess, on board with the message is very interesting when you consider the media coverage of her dad’s trial
Tw: trauma dump, SA I literally just had a therapy session today where I told my story of being m0lested by my brother’s friend. I was assaulted when I was in 3rd grade, and he was in 7th grade. I won’t get into the way it happened, but I remember it quite well (i.e. i remember what computer game I was playing, I remember what Xbox game my brother was playing and the exact point in the game he was playing it, I remember what the guy whispered in my ear, etc.). I didn’t tell anyone about what happened for years. I told my parents a few years later because I felt so guilty that I never told them. They told me that there wasn’t anything that could be done and that maybe I dreamed it. They didn’t want to ruin a boy’s life if it turned out it wasn’t true, and they said that even if it was true, he was a kid who was just exploring and probably didn’t know what he was doing. My parents are typically huge advocates for sa survivors, but this was a situation where they kinda failed me. They got mad at me when I talked about it after that initial conversation and told me I needed to move on. I never told anyone else because they told me that they could get in trouble and that my brother would feel bad. I had to sit in a car with this guy a couple times. It was awful. I finally told my therapist today, and he asked me what I was feeling. I told him I was mostly feeling angry that I couldn’t even confront him because it could ruin his life. What if he only did it because he didn’t know better? Maybe I was the only one. I would never tell my brother that his friend did that because I don’t want to hurt him. Women aren’t casually making accusations. I am an example of someone who has a real accusation, but I haven’t made it because of a whole list of reasons, many of which revolve around the idea that I need to deal with it because it isn’t a big deal, and I shouldn’t ruin a guy’s life. We did not need a show that would give more people reasons to doubt and blame SA survivors. This show is disgusting.
I am so sorry. Sending you all the strength & lots of love. You should never have to carry such guilt & shame over what was done TO YOU. I am so sorry that this person still has to be a part of your life and that everyone who knows is protecting him instead of being there for you. I see you & I believe you.
@@katrina639 thank you. It felt really good to have my therapist tell me that he believes me. Nobody else has really said that to me before. Thanks for saying it, too.
the thing that gets me is that if the narrative had always been a gone-girl-amy-dunne and she lied about abuse bc she's an evil mastermind and he's some asshole who did her wrong and is going to pay for the rest of his sad pathetic life it would've been soooo good... (i do love a female character that's just. awful. morally) but the 'twist' at the end with the hairbrush just comes SO rushed and out of nowhere with absolutely no build-up. like if the idol had been written by gillian flynn (or any woman. really) it could have been so so good....
you’re so right abt the victim narrative plot!!!! imagining jocelyn speech being about how tedros fucked her over and manipulating her audience into feeling for her would’ve made so much more sense!!!!!!!!
I laughed out loud at 3:39 This was by far the best/most accurate and entertaining summary of this show I've seen...thank you...I was really getting annoyed with all the gaslighting. But yeah, this show was basically saying..."it's ok to abuse/sexually assault females cuz, they secretly want it and they love the bad boy" There wasn't a single character in this show that was even remotely likable (not even Chloe).
Thank you Carley for having more character development in your two videos about this awful show than the actual show does 😅 feels good to have you back on the hate train 🙌
one time at a house party there was a bong on the ground that you could take a rip out of while leaning back in your chair, that was the biggest bong i've seen in my LIFE. Took one hit and I just about died
Carly you're legit so witty it's crazy. Thanks for dedicating your time to this trash. It's literally the 5th video I've watched on this topic, and I'm so grateful I've not had to watch the show lol
hi carly, i just wanted to tell you that i've been watching your videos so much lately that i've dreamed you were part of my friend group for the last week. sometimes is kinda odd bc i'm from argentina and you're the only one talking in english, but apart from that, you're a real one bestie
I streamed the idol illegally and so many decisions made in the show make no sense. No music industry sense, no financial sense, nothing. Truly boggles the mind netflix green lit this disaster
I tried watching Euphoria and could not for many of the same reasons you’ve mentioned in the videos about the Idol. To me the storylines and characters in Euphoria are so overshadowed by the explicit and vulgar content/visuals that are shoved down your throat. I think it had a good base of showing the darker struggles of people but it just started to be unwatchable. So glad I never watched the Idol and I’m so glad I can just come here as a safe zone to know what’s up without like, insanely sensitive/triggering content lol. Hoping you get some sanity back, you’re a real one for watching this AND spending the time to edit it (your poor eyeballs and ears). Hope you can find a lighter film to watch
the way that mike dean is actually like that irl. his lives are of him in the studio playing the synth and hitting a bong and a joint at the same time 😭
You were the first person I heard say this season would only be five episodes, like days before I saw anyone else saying that, so I’m choosing to believe you manifested the shorter season and I just want to commend you for using those powers for the greater good!
Okay, thank you for this. To a tea what I’ve been thinking! I always think I “just don’t get it” and undermine myself when I don’t get a storyline, instead of really being like: they made a show that doesn’t make sense. Which is exactly what happened here. Watched it all, and agree with, this video made me feel sane, as all the things I was confused about you were too!
I'm not from Toronto because I'd have to donate both kidneys and a lung just to be able to afford a down-payment 😂 In all seriousness, I've adored your break downs of these episodes. It's like chatting with a younger cousin while we hide from our crazy aunts and sneak a j at a family gathering.
Thank you for this video! Now I can know what everyone is talking about without subjecting myself to so many hours of this show. You're also such a delight to watch, so funny and articulate. All this also reminded me that, by contrast, Bojack Horseman actually does a great job with satire and portraying issues like fame, abuse, misogyny and mental illness in a way that doesn't feel exploitative or straight up awful. Could not recommend it enough for people looking for something on a similar line (BH portrays hollywood) but actually well-written.
i watched the first episode of euphoria and then stopped bc something about it gave me the ick, and based on your summary of THIS show i think i dodged a bullet just avoiding this guy's writing altogether
Oh my god... I am NEVER watching this show, thank you so much for saving me the trouble. I cannot believe this is really a message that's being pushed in 2023!!
Instantly clicked on the video as soon as I saw the notif. I really can't say enough how much i love your videos and your sense of humor. You're a great narrator and I cant stop rewatching everything you put out and I hope you're getting that bag for the service you're doing us all!
Ive never been more upset that I dont live in Toronto but am SO looking forward to those After videos. After commentary is my FAVORITE subgenre of youtube fr
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I would do so much to see the original version they wrote and filmed before sam levinson showed up
saaaammme
He wasn't originally the director, but he was involved the entire time. There was no version of the show before him.
@@TEJUS_667 but I've heard they've even shot pretty much the whole show before he became the director I even saw pics from it and stuff but they scratched all that and redid it
@@justonedayy_ yeah, I believe they said it was about 80% done when Levinson took over as director and scrapped all that had previously been done. From those photos they released a few days ago of the original, it doesn't even look like they used any of the same costumes or sets. Wish we got to see that one!
we all want the idol (Amy's version)
The fact that Sam wrote a story in which someone is falsely accused of rape, in 2023, is fucking MIND BLOWING!!!! Like sir, of all things you could write, you chose a narrative that is LITERALLY DANGEROUS to women. Cool, thanks Sam.
imagine being that delusional
i think that was one of the most sinister points from the series, because you know that levinson and tesfaye want to make a us sympathize for someone accused of sa. it’s a very blatant “cancel culture ruins another innocent man’s life, people need to stop jumping on the bandwagon.” in real life the cases of people being falsely accused of sa are so statistically minuscule; it’s very evil and sinister of levinson and tesfaye to write a storyline like that, especially when it’s unresolved.
@valeriatsukino and to hide this supposed innocence until the very end is just the height of manipulation. Its like "and now for my next trick, male exoneration"
wait to see what he'll do in Euphoria season 3 ☠
Is it a coincidence that Lily Rose-Depp got cast? I don’t want to blame her for anything and I don’t actually know if she distanced herself from Johnny Depp during the trials or took any stance at all..just wondering if anyone knows?
What pisses me off the most is Sam’s interview afterwards where he says Tedros is the victim…. Tedros. The man who held a woman hostage after physically abusing her for an undisclosed amount of time. He was arrested for “pimping women against their will” which is sex trafficking. And we know it’s true because abused multiple members of the cult ON SCREEN, he beats the shit out of Joselyn (it doesn’t matter if she wanted it, it’s still an abuser taking advantage of someone vulnerable), and is a literal cult leader!! The things that “happen” to him are his cult leaves him and his crimes are exposed publicly so he can’t abuse people anymore. HE IS NOT A FUCKING VICTIM SAM!!!!!
LITERALLY
and we see tedros threaten to take josslyn hostage and kill her??? levinson is unhinged
@@valeriatsukinobut you don’t get it! She said the police would kill him if he did, so basically they are pretty much the same. - Sam Levinson probably
@@Misa.misato that’s exactly what he would say 😭
YES! THAT'S INSAAAAANEEE
the idol is preparation for the content we’re about to get due to the writers strike
nooooooo bestie dont say that youre scaring me
@@uncarley only a the clique reboot could save us
@uncarley omg you are absolutely breathtaking ❤
Wait, that makes sense. Sam's humor is so dry that he may be is a bot himself.
I’m so glad someone finally said it. Women do be 1. lying and 2. Shopping. And not enough people are talking about this.
Exactly 😂 my two greatest passions as a lady person
literally just finished shopping, omw to go lie rn!
@@hana-rv6rualready lied, now I need to shop
4:18 I’ve worked on movie and tv sets… It is not a joke. The amount of energy expended on preventing intimacy coordinators from being on set is pretty staggering. One show I was on made an excuse to fire ours, and then just never hired another one. Another show just deferred approving our coordinator’s flight until it was almost impossible for her to make it on her scheduled work date. I actually had to intervene and force the (male) producers to ask the barely 18 yo actress if she felt safe without our intimacy coordinator, which of course she didn’t. The producers hadn’t seen it as a big deal, and didn’t want to deal with the expense and hassle of what they saw as a stupid corporate imposition. But the networks and showrunners love to brag about hiring them and the veneer of responsibility they provide.
thats so dark dude
Love your channel, great review, btw 😊
A show depicting women lying about their childhood and past trauma, and women banding together to falsely accuse a man of pimping and sex trafficking after McCurdy's book on her mom, and everything that happened with Andrew Tate... it hits different. And made and produced by two powerful men in Hollywood?? It honestly feels so, so gross tbh.
Like what is the need to center MEN in these stories of how the industry abuses women? To center men in the stories of how "charismatic" manipulative men abuse women? And the conclusion is boo hoo men are victims?? Miss me with that bullshit
Do i even have to bring up the literal world tour that Britney Spears was forced into? By her fucking dad😒
I mean...there's allegations of human trafficking because she was forced to work abroad against her will. And morons like Sam would side with the abuser in situations like this??
G e3. ?. s. r
omg yes !! i also immediately thought of mccurdy and andrew tate and those were such big moments on the internet that they had to know abt it. it rlly feels like its on purpose and thats just soo disugsting. the message this sends to its consumers (teen girls, the ones that literally make them money) is soooo dangerous
Here is the thing, *IF* the show is implying that Joselyn made up her mom’s abuse to manipulate people, that means that as a literal child, she spent YEARS lying and pretending like she was an abuse victim to somehow manipulate everyone on her team into thinking she was being abused, despite never witnessing abuse. Because everyone on her team knew about the abuse, it’s not just Issac who mentions it before her announcement. So either it’s a MASSIVE plot hole, or a literal child spent years pretending to be abused in order to… idk what, it makes no sense!!!!!!
I personally did not take that scene to mean she made up her abuse, I took it to mean she bought a new brush to keep remembering the abuse from her mom because she couldn’t let it go. But that’s the problem at the heart of this, the writing is just MESSY and makes no sense!!!
I HOPE she just bought a new brush unfortunately i think its a massive plothole that makes no sense
@@uncarleythe more I think about it, the worse it gets! Like, for example, when they torture Isaac for not stopping Jocelyn‘s mom, whenever he saw her accusing Jocelyn, and when doing so he doesn’t say “what abuse? I never saw any abuse.” He says that Joselyn was also in on the contract, and that she manipulates people, but he doesn’t say “she wasn’t abused.”
So I think you're overlooking something. I think she was raised by a genuinely abusive mom, but idk if that extended to physical abuse. But either way, she can have an abusive mom and still lie about this specific instance of abuse.
Like your husband can bitch slap you on the daily, and you can still lie about him punching you in the gut, you know?
But like, what does it all mean in the end. Either way, it's stupid.
I like your interpretation. Also, maybe she bought a new brush to turn her trauma into a kink? I know some people who have been traumatized turn their trauma into kinks so that it doesn't hurt them anymore. So maybe she wanted Tedros to hit her with the brush? It's new because it's separate from the actual brush used to actually abuse her? No idea LOL
@@BooksReboundBUT THEN SHE IS STILL A VICTIM!!!!!!!!! And if Sam’s message is “hurt people hurt people” then that’s so fucking boring and just not true.
and prince was mentioned so much that he should've been billed as a recurring character
literally princes estate should sue
if you wanna see prince in a tv show, he's in one episode of new girl ! (feel good, no traumas)
The fact that Troye Sivan's character instantly became über loyal to Tedros after being shocked by a dog collar baffles me
Sam Levinson/The Weekday actually said "women be shopping, lying, manipulative, shallow, sexually nasty, lying again" then really expected us to give them their flowers...🤡
the fact that they've been selected by the cannes festival, it's basically flowers given to them (ughhh)
This show made it very clear to me that if Sam Levinson and The Weekend didn’t already have careers that they’d be Manosphere podcast bros that say they know the truth about “modern women” and how we really think 😂
The final episode really hammers home the idea of not believing female victims. Jocelyn’s ex, Rob, was falsely accused of rape, and the response to that was so unrealistic. The woman was immediately believed, to the point that within a few days the movie studio had completely edited him out of the movie he was in.
And then, in Sam’s own words, by the end of the show Tedros is actually Jocelyn’s victim. Never mind the fact that, whether or not she was “in control” the whole time, Tedros still believed he was manipulating and abusing her!
That was actually one of the few plot lines I believed because this is what basically happened to Johnny Depp and why he needed to take Amber Heard to court to clear his name. Still doesn't excuse the massive plot holes in the rest of the show though. Seems like this series badly needed that one more episode in order to fully explain everything (maybe), but at the same time I'm not sad that HBO cut it.
@@mamaya311 except 1) Amber never publicly accused him of anything, she was sued for a stupid ass article that doesn't even mention his name or accuses him 2) Johnny DID abuse her, there is plenty of evidence
@@anto4380delaguaridaa I watched the entire trial myself. They go into detail how when that article came out, sure it didn't mention his name but everyone in Hollywood knew who she was referring to and that's why he was cut out of Pirates and bunch of other movies. It's also why he was awarded damages by the jury.
As for the second point, I think they verbally abused each other. However, when it came to the physical abuse part of it, it seemed to me that JD lost the tip of his finger while Amber's bruises seemed either fabricated or blown out of proportion. It's hard to discern given how much lying she did on the stand.
Anyway, tying it back to The Idol, my only point is is that regardless of whether Amber was abused or not, she did use the MeToo movement to try to further her career while destroying JD's. That's the only part of it that reminds me of what I *think* they were trying to portray here with Jocelyn. Although it was done in the most trashy way possible, mind you.
@@mamaya311 the evidence literally proves everything you're saying false you look dumb af coming into a conversation about women lying about abuse and defending an abuser this heavily. the case was tried in the UK and amber's evidence actually won. the us justice system and everyone in the court of public opinion failed her. it "seeming" fabricated to you isn't a fact and just shows your bias, when JD literally sued the UK press for calling him a "wife beater" and LOST the case due to the evidence. so maybe do more research and recognize the power imbalance and the role rape culture plays in cases like this before opening your mouth to talk about women lying about abuse next time.
Not you defending his abusive ass....amber literally just defended herself there's not "they both abused eachother" narrative there. He even had violent bursting to his exs and his text wishing for amber to die and r*ape her corpse where public BEFORE she even properly demanding his sorry ass
I love that Sam and The Weeknd took a story about female empowerment and said “what if the woman who was abused with the real abuser all along????”
PS: another fantastic vid bestie
IMAGINE being that delusional
So idk if anyone has pointed this out to you, but there are a lot of similarities between the Weekend’s ex’s and the women in this show. For example Selena had to cancel part of her world tour due to mental health issues, and part of her comeback was a music video in which she rolled around in a bed with a medical bracelet. Honestly my takeaway from this show is that The Weekend and Sam are incredibly insecure and hate women.
damn, and selena was a child star while bella hadid was really messed up by her mom who was obsessed with making her famous. freaky how much hate he has for his exes.
Someone said that this looks like a fanfic written by The Weekend about how he would loved his relationship with Selena would have looked like.
that is messed up. i heard sth about the selena parallels but this is the first time i'm seeing the details. these folks just hate women and are some of the biggest and corniest losers who think they are actually creating some genuine twisted masterpiece or sth😭
i the last episode there’s a book titled “hadid” in the background of a scene too
@@leeh4669and considering the fact that the script wasn’t completed upon starting, and large portions of it were re-written by Sam after getting The Weekends feedback on set, tells me that it’s not an accident.
the idol is literally so insane, at this point I expect nothing of sam levinson anymore 🤦🏼♀
same bestie
His work is a giant red flag at this point
The bar is in HELL.
If you want to write a twist, you have to write the entire story in a way that people watching don’t finish it and go “wow, here are a list of 5 plot holes that make that twist impossible without even rewatching it!” Otherwise, it’s not a good twist!!!
LITERALLY
execs in Hollywood desperately need to un-learn that not all good twists are unexpected ones
@@renataaristimuno5269you’re right, being shocking and unpredictable is not on the list of things a twist *needs* to be good, but for some reason writers think that as long as it shocks you it’s enough.
the idol could’ve been early 2000s-esque britney excellence but they turned it into this and levinson WILL pay for this
If the internet forced hbo to give us the 4 hour cut of Justice League than the internet can force hbo to give us the Amy cut of the idol
Assuming the original footage still exists. In all likelihood any drives or data library containing the footage was deleted under direct supervision and then physically destroyed. That last one’s not even a metaphor, hard drives containing Batgirl had to be both cleared and literally destroyed to make sure it’s considered truly lost and get the insurance payout.
This entire show gives the vibes if that meme thats like “what if there were 2 astronauts on the moon and one killed the other with a rock. Wouldn’t that be fucked up?”
STOP YES
when you said "I'm gonna be mean now" my face lit up I'm so happy you made this video after being so nice to them before
it’s so sad that they could have had an amazing show about the difficulties of being a woman in hollywood and how so many are emotionally manipulated and used for profit and gaslit into believing that it’s normal and they are the problem, like did they just forget that Britney spears existed?!!!!!!
It's not like there's no shows out there they can pull from either, like, people in hollywood love telling stories about their experiences. There's gotta be a few good or even great shows out there with a similar premise to help guide you through not fucking it up this badly. Plus jeanette mccurdy put her whole story and horrible experience with child stardom in a book you can just read and see a lot of things that happened to her and also happen to many young women and girls on stage. Not to mention the rest of the world's media surrounding the curse of fame. Like japan has fucked up idol culture locked down to a terrifying degree, if you wanna satirize (in the general sense, not specifically the comedic way) idol culture there's definitely some horrible thing that happened to japanese idols that is already so insane as to be satire if it weren't real life (though change a bit because that can be pretty disrespectful lol). Hearing about The Idol so much just made me want to watch perfect blue lol
i can't describe how much comfort you bring me, carley. i appreciate you so much.
omg thank you!
@@uncarleyYou are literally the best
Instead of painting Jocelyn as a straight up liar and manipulator, I think it would've been cool if they were to instead use her character arc to show how a legitimate victim can become the perpetrator. But, to paint ALL the men in the show as victims and ALL the women in the show as manipulators (with few exceptions), is just cartoonish and not based in any kind of reality. I guess that's why the only character I really liked was the assistant because she was the only sane one who spend the entire time going "WTF is happening?!"
Yeah having Jocelyn turn around and abusing others because of her abuse makes a lot more sense than Turning tedros into some sad boi who's actually the victim.
This is the best description I’ve heard for this show. The Idol is like a pizza cutter: all edge and no point.
i've seen way too many content creators complimenting the idol post-finale so i'm glad you're here to bring sense to the internet
people... liked it??
I hate to ask... but which creators?? So I can avoid them like the plague lmao
@@emilylouise620 honest;y just a bunch of tiktokers LMFAO. i didn't really pay too much attention to them so i unfortunately don't know who they are, but most big creators don't support the show which is good!!
idk who you're talking about but i think in youtube land we all hate it?? do tiktokers really like it??????? is this some sort of unexpected outcome content thing
@@lakia-chan oh definitely but a lot of tiktokers are just like oddly into that sort of thing. youtubers definitely have more common sense LMAOO
'The Idol' can be summed in one sentence : Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking off her clothes ... but it's better if you do.
“It turns out the hit single is the friends we made along the way”😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
how much do we wanna bet that the twist with the hairbrush was added last minute? because everything in the 4 previous episodes about her mom, her aggressively brushing her hair, xander witnessing it all, all of it seemed to point to the abuse being real, only for them to be like um actually...
Wait...and how did he not realize the hairbrush was new the first time he saw it?? Live, laugh, love being confused. A plot hole a day keeps the sanity away.
yeah if it was used on jocelyn since she was young it could be like 10-20 years old (idk if jocelyns age is ever said)
The only good thing about The Idol is that we've received two vids about it from queen Carley
hahaha thank you bestie
As someone who only watched the first 2 episodes, I can say, yes, it was revealed that Jocelyn meeting Tedros was orchestrated by Dyane
chiwawa core sorta made me gasp. you deserve therapy after all the suffering you've been put through with this seriesOMG
HAHAHA i need intense therapy yes
my jaw DROPPED it was so funny😭😭😭
oh i've been waiting for this one, the finale was truly BAFFLING to me
B A F F L I NG
If you add the false rape accusations with the ones from Euphoria it really seems like Sam is obsessed with this storyline and that’s sus. I haven’t seen his other works but wouldn’t be shocked if it’s the theme that holds his multiverse together
yeah this "theme" is destined to play out through actual accusations against him surfacing at some point, i'd bet money on it
honestly you should do a video recommending books/movies/tv shows that are about what the idol was supposed to be about (hollywood, work/sex exploitation, young women in the industry) because i think we were all really looking forward to what the original idea of the show was :/
the audacity of them thinking that we're going to feel bad about tedros in the end is astonishing
ngl i was kinda surprised at how you were complimenting it in the first episode but i love seeing you diss shows so i’m super happy about this video hahah
it broke me
@@uncarley for me it was a hate watch and your video on it really made me just wanna cackle at the ideas that sam levinson has 😭
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. Levinson loves to justify, minimize, or simply depict sexual violence as a myth women use for social capital. It’s in Euphoria as well, but for some reason I never heard any critiques of it. In Maddy’s episode / introduction, the show portrays statutory rape (between a *14 year-old* and a *40 year-old* !!!) as some kind of ~quirky~ and ~empowering~ escapade Maddy had: “When [Maddy] was 14 on vacation … she met a guy who was like 40” and the narration goes on to say “in retrospect, this seems kind of rapey and weird but honestly she was the one in control.” This chunk of the script can do real harm-it presents the possibility that even in a case where a power dynamic is clearly there due to a giant age gap, gender, as well as physical size, the CHILD involved could be the one to blame. Levinson’s shows normalize sexual violence, even in cases that should be clear cut (LIKE PEDOPHILIA) and when that enters the zeitgeist, that mentality will-and probably already has-put victims of sexual abuse in dangerous positions. Victims of sexual violence already have a hard to impossible time seeking help and safety-the last thing our world needs are popular shows that do what Levinson seems obsessed with doing: pretending that rape isn’t real and / or it’s something that woman weaponize. (Not to mention all of the homophobic rhetoric about closeted gay men being serial-killer-level violent because of their sexuality despite the fact that research has disputed that hateful myth that society concocted to ignore all of the violence that the queer community has endured). Can Levinson stop writing about things he has literally NO idea about ?
that part where everybody is singing and dancing to Jocelyn entourage was the worst thing to ever grace television since we have to watch dominic fike singing that long ass song in euphoria s2 it felt like forever
the way this unfolded and the fact that Lily is, I guess, on board with the message is very interesting when you consider the media coverage of her dad’s trial
I feel like maybe she saw how abusive and manipulative Amber Heard was and now has an unhealthy view of women
thank you for watching this so I don't have to, plus give us this amazing content. win-win.
win-win for US, sis has been in the trenches 💀
@@libbyjspennyfor real💀
anytime bestie!
1. Women be lying and
2. Women be shopping
You really exposed us, Sam!
😂 ❤M
"Women be shopping. Women be lying." Couldn't have summed us up any better 😍
Tw: trauma dump, SA
I literally just had a therapy session today where I told my story of being m0lested by my brother’s friend. I was assaulted when I was in 3rd grade, and he was in 7th grade. I won’t get into the way it happened, but I remember it quite well (i.e. i remember what computer game I was playing, I remember what Xbox game my brother was playing and the exact point in the game he was playing it, I remember what the guy whispered in my ear, etc.).
I didn’t tell anyone about what happened for years. I told my parents a few years later because I felt so guilty that I never told them. They told me that there wasn’t anything that could be done and that maybe I dreamed it. They didn’t want to ruin a boy’s life if it turned out it wasn’t true, and they said that even if it was true, he was a kid who was just exploring and probably didn’t know what he was doing. My parents are typically huge advocates for sa survivors, but this was a situation where they kinda failed me. They got mad at me when I talked about it after that initial conversation and told me I needed to move on. I never told anyone else because they told me that they could get in trouble and that my brother would feel bad. I had to sit in a car with this guy a couple times. It was awful. I finally told my therapist today, and he asked me what I was feeling. I told him I was mostly feeling angry that I couldn’t even confront him because it could ruin his life. What if he only did it because he didn’t know better? Maybe I was the only one. I would never tell my brother that his friend did that because I don’t want to hurt him.
Women aren’t casually making accusations. I am an example of someone who has a real accusation, but I haven’t made it because of a whole list of reasons, many of which revolve around the idea that I need to deal with it because it isn’t a big deal, and I shouldn’t ruin a guy’s life.
We did not need a show that would give more people reasons to doubt and blame SA survivors. This show is disgusting.
I am so sorry. Sending you all the strength & lots of love. You should never have to carry such guilt & shame over what was done TO YOU. I am so sorry that this person still has to be a part of your life and that everyone who knows is protecting him instead of being there for you. I see you & I believe you.
@@katrina639 thank you. It felt really good to have my therapist tell me that he believes me. Nobody else has really said that to me before. Thanks for saying it, too.
Euphoria was also allegedly a satire... zero commentary, though. It just took itself a hundred percent seriously, it was dead straight.
truly my thoughts and prayers go out to Sam Levinson's wife rn. I can only imagine what this man is like as a husband...
the thing that gets me is that if the narrative had always been a gone-girl-amy-dunne and she lied about abuse bc she's an evil mastermind and he's some asshole who did her wrong and is going to pay for the rest of his sad pathetic life it would've been soooo good... (i do love a female character that's just. awful. morally) but the 'twist' at the end with the hairbrush just comes SO rushed and out of nowhere with absolutely no build-up. like if the idol had been written by gillian flynn (or any woman. really) it could have been so so good....
you’re so right abt the victim narrative plot!!!! imagining jocelyn speech being about how tedros fucked her over and manipulating her audience into feeling for her would’ve made so much more sense!!!!!!!!
I'm so glad you watched this because I really tried to sit through the show and just could barely get through the pilot.
save the time you have on earth for better things bestie
THIS FINALE WAS LITERALLY NONSENSICAL
I am all here for the dragging of this show and Sam Levinson, thank you
i got u bestie
"Nothing beyond sexual trauma" was how they finished most female characters in GoT 😂.
Lmao that's so true
i'm so happy i never watched it somehow
I laughed out loud at 3:39
This was by far the best/most accurate and entertaining summary of this show I've seen...thank you...I was really getting annoyed with all the gaslighting.
But yeah, this show was basically saying..."it's ok to abuse/sexually assault females cuz, they secretly want it and they love the bad boy"
There wasn't a single character in this show that was even remotely likable (not even Chloe).
"I can tell you what happned so you don't have to watch it"
why yes girl that's exactly why I'm here lol
Thank you Carley for having more character development in your two videos about this awful show than the actual show does 😅 feels good to have you back on the hate train 🙌
Thank you for doing this. Processing this show has taken over way too much of my life. I need to let it go, but somehow I can't.
same bestie same
I was bad in writing class, this made me feel better
one time at a house party there was a bong on the ground that you could take a rip out of while leaning back in your chair, that was the biggest bong i've seen in my LIFE. Took one hit and I just about died
No the guy stepping out of the car taking a bong rip WHILE HOLDING A LIT BLUNT is actually such a mood like I´d be stoked to hang out with him
Carly you're legit so witty it's crazy. Thanks for dedicating your time to this trash. It's literally the 5th video I've watched on this topic, and I'm so grateful I've not had to watch the show lol
honestly electric chair to both the weekday and same levis jeans
hi carly, i just wanted to tell you that i've been watching your videos so much lately that i've dreamed you were part of my friend group for the last week. sometimes is kinda odd bc i'm from argentina and you're the only one talking in english, but apart from that, you're a real one bestie
hahahah i love that!
of all of the ways this could have ended, i wasn’t ready for this. and i absolutely should have been. like OF COURSE abel’s playing the victim
I streamed the idol illegally and so many decisions made in the show make no sense. No music industry sense, no financial sense, nothing. Truly boggles the mind netflix green lit this disaster
This show really thinks it’s doing something, and it’s truly hilarious to watch
so true
you are a saint for doing this.
anything for yall
I love how you just went off in this part thank you for being mean ❤
anytime bestie
I tried watching Euphoria and could not for many of the same reasons you’ve mentioned in the videos about the Idol. To me the storylines and characters in Euphoria are so overshadowed by the explicit and vulgar content/visuals that are shoved down your throat. I think it had a good base of showing the darker struggles of people but it just started to be unwatchable. So glad I never watched the Idol and I’m so glad I can just come here as a safe zone to know what’s up without like, insanely sensitive/triggering content lol.
Hoping you get some sanity back, you’re a real one for watching this AND spending the time to edit it (your poor eyeballs and ears). Hope you can find a lighter film to watch
the way that mike dean is actually like that irl. his lives are of him in the studio playing the synth and hitting a bong and a joint at the same time 😭
Bojack Horseman remains unchallenged as the best Hollywood parody
There is so much righteous outrage in the first five minutes of this video that I’m already on your side and I don’t even know what happened yet
You were the first person I heard say this season would only be five episodes, like days before I saw anyone else saying that, so I’m choosing to believe you manifested the shorter season and I just want to commend you for using those powers for the greater good!
Okay, thank you for this. To a tea what I’ve been thinking! I always think I “just don’t get it” and undermine myself when I don’t get a storyline, instead of really being like: they made a show that doesn’t make sense. Which is exactly what happened here. Watched it all, and agree with, this video made me feel sane, as all the things I was confused about you were too!
I'm not from Toronto because I'd have to donate both kidneys and a lung just to be able to afford a down-payment 😂
In all seriousness, I've adored your break downs of these episodes. It's like chatting with a younger cousin while we hide from our crazy aunts and sneak a j at a family gathering.
omg thank you that is so kind!
That is at most an average size bong and a blunt 😭 hahahaha ily thanks for all the videos
Thank you for this video! Now I can know what everyone is talking about without subjecting myself to so many hours of this show. You're also such a delight to watch, so funny and articulate.
All this also reminded me that, by contrast, Bojack Horseman actually does a great job with satire and portraying issues like fame, abuse, misogyny and mental illness in a way that doesn't feel exploitative or straight up awful. Could not recommend it enough for people looking for something on a similar line (BH portrays hollywood) but actually well-written.
Happy to be here this early :) I've been LONGING for your review of the last episodes of this monstrosity of a show.
happy to help!
I watched it every Sunday bc it was a car crash and I couldn’t look away. But like I was left so confused and felt weird after the finale
You do such great work Carley, I only wish you posted more often!
thank you! i am trying!
I’m crazy early today but loving the chaos. You are my go to RUclipsr to watch when I need a laugh while I crochet.
omg thank you bestie!
chihuahua core 😂 is my new aesthetic omg !!!!!!!
Girly I love you I do not care about this series but watching you criticizing is my new favorite thing
truly incomprehensible and/or indefensible set of choices in this show!! as always ty for letting your brain cells be corroded so we don’t have to :)
i watched the first episode of euphoria and then stopped bc something about it gave me the ick, and based on your summary of THIS show i think i dodged a bullet just avoiding this guy's writing altogether
Oh my god... I am NEVER watching this show, thank you so much for saving me the trouble. I cannot believe this is really a message that's being pushed in 2023!!
Forever indebted to you for taking this one like a champ and saving us the 5+ hours of torture. A true girl boss baddie hero ❤
Carley said everything I could usually articulate but this show mind F’d me. Give her a talk show someone!!!
you’re literally my fav youtube ever, you’re so funny and it makes me want to do conversational deep dives into tv shows as well 😭💓
Instantly clicked on the video as soon as I saw the notif. I really can't say enough how much i love your videos and your sense of humor. You're a great narrator and I cant stop rewatching everything you put out and I hope you're getting that bag for the service you're doing us all!
love your content, a carley upload is exactly what I needed today. great take on the show and tysm for watching it for all of us besties out here
thank you queen for subjecting yourself to this so we didn't have to 🙏🏻 your commentary is stellar, as always!
The way I’ve been waiting for this like a little goblin is feral
love your videos carley hearing your opinion genuinely never fails to be entertaining
omg thank you bestie!
ugh you're so great thank you for these!!
your videos is how i’ve watched this show and i think it’s the correct way
i agree tbh as long as youre not wasting HOURS OF YOUR LIFE WATCHING THE REAL SHOW
I've been waiting for you to do this. thank you for saving my life.
i got u bestie
I couldn’t care less about this show but jesus lord woman you are hilarious, keep the content coming thank you 🫶🏼
Ive never been more upset that I dont live in Toronto but am SO looking forward to those After videos. After commentary is my FAVORITE subgenre of youtube fr
omg tysm for uploading this, I needed one of my fav channels to cover the idol
thank you!