Interesting, one thing is forgotten however. Gain staging after eq and compression to keep the same volume before and after, otherwise you are often led to believe it sounds better simply because it gets louder.
Chris after watching your revised version of this video (can't find it now or I would comment there) I trialled and then purchased Reference (version 2 now). You're absolutely right. This is changing the way I mix and I love it.
Thanks, I really love what you said in the first minute of this tutorial....Very profound and so true!. I just put logic on my new MacBook Pro 2019 and I'm looking forward to living with all of your tutorials.
Great tutorials. Practical and real tips. I’m an analog guy who recently went over to Logic (from pro tools and larger format studios) and your videos are very helpful!
Brilliant! Brilliant!! Brilliant!¡! I'm so glad that I finally caught up with this clip - great plugins. Master the Mix and Sonarworks in particular need to be in my setup immediately - if not sooner. Thanks for sharing your superb skill and knowledge so readily! Now if you had a plugin to counter procrastination that would make my day.
I made the same mistake of buying shitloads of plugins. It was fun messing around with new toys all the time but I've spent literally thousands of dollars on plugins and anymore my project template is all stock plugins, especially when they threw in the Vintage EQ bundle in a recent update. Yeah the most discerning ear might be able to tell the difference between one of the stock Vintage plugins and a UAD equivalent, but the stock stuff is still good enough and within the context of a full mix it just doesn't make much of a difference (to my ear). Also, I like using all the stock stuff because I collaborate via Splice and it's just easier when we're all using the same plugins.
Bewley Brothers i absolutely agree. I have the demo running for a week, and the difference is unbelievable. I always needed to listen on different systems and make adjustments. Now i can confidently bounce and send my mixes(if only it could automatically disable while bouncing😏)
(I'm a 'back-to Logic user after many years)....but, yeah, I can't imagine mixing my own projects without Sonarworks! I've owned it for over 8 years now, and my music tracks get played on some larger sound systems out in the 'real world'. I always get positive feedback on the sound. Just did a project in Logic using Sonarworks, my first big project after being away from Logic for 15 years. Wow.... Logic has changed for the better is every way possible that I could imagine. Love it! And WPLR is fantastic.
Ha ha, that cheap Plug and Mix bundle is the best 3rd party bargain I ever got. They all have a lot of that “Waves-esque” tube character, and really pronounced too if you want that. Sound Toys Suite is fantastic too...although I went overboard with Echoboy a few million times🤣 That referencing plugin looks very powerful.
Regarding the Plug & Mix bundle, it's not $100 for 45 plugins, it's $249 for the bundle. And "You can pick up this plugin for $10 most days"? Every plugin costs $49 every time I've gone to their website.
The last two.... just shows how you get it. 3) The human ear, the way we percieve sounds and mentally compare. 4) The easily forgotten thing about endless variations of ways the sound travels to you and others and of the epic quest to achieve true feedback. 4.1) You could do a video about human ears - how they age and how different people have different scars / damages to the ears and how you could EQ back those forever lost frequencies after seeing someone with the equipment to meter when you hear a sine wave. ;)
I don't understand how the retro eq makes your life easier than the vinatge eq included in Logic.. ? I have the same philosophy as you and I would also add Waves NX in the list
Hey sounds great keep up the great work and keep on recording and making music I also do a lot of mixing and recording tips on my channel if you need any so keep up the great work your doing great and the music sounds great keep it up
Good catch Dr Voodoo! When you group a set of tracks and enable "Editing (Selection)" and "Quantize-Locked (Audio)" in the Group Settings, you'll see the Q button. The Q stands for "Q Reference." With it, you're able to choose which tracks in a Group Logic focus on when analyzing Transients for Flex Time. For example, in a multimic drum scenario I will use my Kick and Snare tracks as the Q-Reference tracks.
Great channel! I'm curious why you prefer Retro Eq over the new Logic vintage Eq's??? Also would like to see how you correct the imbalances that Reference shows you and a detailed explanation of why you prefer SonarWorks 4 over IK ARC 2.5.
Thanks for the comment Joely! I love the Logic Vintage EQs. The Retro EQ is just the *tiniest* bit more functional for me. If the low and high shelfs on Logic Console EQ were switchable to parametric bands I would use that in a heart beat.
I went and purchased the Plug and Mix product you suggested, only to find out that it's not supported in the current Mac OS. Such a bummer. Do you know of any workarounds to make it work with the current version of Logic?
Maybe you bought the headphones only version which doesn't come with a mic? The full version for both headphones and speakers comes with a pencil type sound calibration microphone. It might be possible to purchase one separately.
Hey Chris thanks for all the great content. Quick Question- Soundtoys effect rack is on SALE, would you recommend Just Getting the "Devil loc" solo for 29 smackeroos , or "Effect rack" for 199? I was thinking just getting the "Devil loc" (Bcus on a-bit of a budget) Then maybe "REFERENCE mastering". -Also is there a big difference between that "Retro EQ" (You Recommend) & the "Vintage EQ's" in Logic. would love to know your thoughts. :)
I'm new to Logic Pro X and there a lot of things I don't know about balance, EQs, Mastering and Mix. Looking at the plugins for what you are demonstrating seems to be a little easier to use. But I know others still use the plugins in Logic for what you are showing here. Should I not learn what is in Logic or just buy these plugins that you are talking about that makes your workflow easier? Hope my questions are not dumb.
Hey Kenneth, not dumb at all! Learning what you have in Logic is well worth the effort. And honestly, more worth the effort than spending a bunch of money on 3rd party stuff. However, subscribers do ask often what 3rd party stuff I do rely on. So I created the video to appease that question. The metering plugins from Mastering the Mix (Levels, Bassroom, Reference) and Reference from Sonarworks, to me, are must-haves. Because they help guide the mix process and improve what you're hearing. But stick with the plugins in Logic and learn those the best you can.
this is sort of on topic but not quite... should i dump all my VST plug-ins and just keep the AU versions... are the VST's just taking up space on my hard drive if i don't actually seem to use them? thanks in anticipation!!
Yes if you only use Logic dump them. Some installers ask which versions to load so I only tick au for precisely this reason. While you’re at it you can release loads of hd space by dumping all the foreign languages you don’t use on your Mac etc
In connection with reference tracks: (Aren’t) reference tracks already mastered, not just mixed. Therefore isn’t using a reference track - that’s already mixed AND mastered - with a track that’s only at the mix stage potentially misleading? Please set me straight on this if you can, thanks.
Can anyone help? I am having an issue where one key on my controller (C4) wont trigger any sound in Logic, but the same key works in Garage Band. Any ideas or where to go for help are welcome. Thanks.
@@clintrichardsonclintfromny203 click on Logic Pro x in the top left drop down menu then control surfaces and then control assignments and see if it says anything in there
On a general note, I think it's a shame that too many people are seduced into spending money on the "latest, greatest, essential" plug-in that some producer of the month has declared to be the thing that your mixes/production will suck, if you don't install it. Most of the time from what I've seen people complain about is something along the lies of..."My mixes sound bad compared to XXXX yyyyyyy's mixes, but all I need to do is buy those plugins they talk about, and it will fix the problem. What, it would seem, at any rate is that many people expect a "magic bullet" that will improve things instantly. I have often tried to use only Logic's tools, because most of the time they are more than up to the task, and any shortcomings in the final mixed project, are NOT because of lack of plugins, but because I didn't do things properly myself. And I'm sure the same would be true if I used Cubase/Reaper/Ableton etc. etc. Most of the third party plugs I have are to cover something that isn't really there in Logic. Superior Drummer 3, because whilst I HAVE used Logic's kits, SD3 simply does a bigger better job for certain things. I also bought U-He's Pro one and five synths, partially because I still have and love my Sequential Pro-One, but I always liked the sound, and the U-He plugin captures that sound incredibly well. With no messing about with CV/Midi conversions, and saveable patch edits. Just different from , say, the ES2 I also bought a couple of cheap reverbs, mainly Audiority Xenoverb, because it's so different to Logics built in. Just an occasional sweetener that no native 'verb can get. Basically, when people have asked what plugins they should get to "get THAT sound" it's usually good advice to get to learn what is already there, to good effect. THEN go and buy something that you CAN'T do already. Ditto for Guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, drummers.....! Master what you already have, and then go after something new to extend what you can do already.
So what's wrong with Arc 2? That's what I have. I've heard so much about Sonarworks, and nothing about Arc 2, and now I'm not sure if I'm helping or hurting myself by using Arc 2.
I think Arc 2.5 is good. The major difference is Sonar has the headphone adjuster which Arc doesn't, and Sonar adapts to your system. So even when your listening to music or watching youtube it offers correction. Arc basically works in your DAW. If you don't need to mix/master in headphones or listen to music in a corrected environment then Arc is perfectly fine for helping clear your room up when mixing/tracking. Hope that helps.
MelodicDreamers, what’s funny is I’ve gotten so used to my room and it’s quirks from listening to as much music as I can in there that the Arc 2 correction actually throws me off. So I don’t even use it. It was a waste of money for me, but I can see how it would be useful if reference tracks were corrected as well, but trying to match my room corrected mix up to an un-corrected, professional mix is basically impossible.
Chris. Could you make a video about how to mix for cell phones? There really isn't much info out there compared to other topics. Though I can always get good mixes on my monitors, the mixes always "always" sound distorted on cell phones. I try to keep an eye on True Peak readings but still just can't seem to get it right. Heeeeelp! lol
I'll add it to the list! Let me ask you some seemingly silly questions: is there a brickwall limiter like the Adaptive Limiter on your Stereo Output when you Bounce out your track? What is the Output Ceiling set to?
I used Mastering the Mix's "Levels" to make sure my mix is meeting technical specs. It suggests a "True Peak" limit of -3 though it actually recommends -6. I'm usually at -4.5. My peak meter reading never gets above -6 on the Stereo Out, trying to allow for the usual headroom, etc. I really don't use any plug-ins on my Stereo Out though I have tried an EQ which helped. I also highpass on most instruments, except Bass and Kick of course. Mid tones seem to cause the most problem though they are balanced on the iZotope's Tonal Balance Curve. Other than just slamming the Stereo Out with a monster high pass or shelf, I just can't seem to get the energies down to the point where they don't distort on the cell phone. A bit dazed and confused at the moment. Thanks.
My suggestion would be to definitely place a brickwall limiter as the last plugin in your chain. *Just* to be safe. You don't have to drive up the gain if you don't want to. But the brickwall limiter will make sure nothing is clipping. Second, I wonder if you're adding Dither when you bounce your tracks? Dither is used to mask the negative effects caused by truncating your mix by Bouncing out. Logic's Bounce dialogue offers many different options for Dither. Beyond that, I wonder if there's some distortion present in your tracks that aren't noticeable until it's bounced out. Feel free to email me if you need more help: whylogicprorules.com/contact/
The bass tones and low percussion always disappear when I play my recordings on an iPhone. It's as if those tracks were muted, cancelled, gone. I'm talking about using the phone's speakers, not playing it through another stereo over bluetooth.
Raymond Castile For sure, mixes don’t sound good when listening on an iPhone as it is not a good monitoring speaker device. Mixes don’t translate well on these tiny speakers. You have to playback your song on various devices if possible. Why would you want to mix for iPhone anyway?
Silly question time! The Reference- do you use this to compare to a favorite song/mix and simply adjust your EQs or levels or compression or....what? Is it that simple, or am I sounding hopelessly amateur here??!!
That is exactly it. You use the reference and compare it with your mix to find inconsistencies. If you don't have a reference point you are basically mixing in the blind. I use it a lot to check how the vocals sit in the mix, and to get an idea for EQ'ing instruments. Obviously, the purpose of it is not exactly copying everything, that is why is just a reference! Also, I tend to use 3 reference tracks.
@@TheYacoviello I'm just trying to edit the same simple way it is done in pro tools or cubase. Consolidate is hard, process audio is almost impossible, cut exactly over transients, these are some examples. Even so, Logic is a great daw. What I'm doing is process and edit audio in pro tools and mixing in Logic
gersonsalcedo even though i am a logic user i will admit, pro tools is the fastest daw for audio editing. However, once u get the hang of logic you’ll see that its efficient and user friendly like most apple products and softwares. for consolidating a single track: try duplicating the track. with the duplicated track, throw a sample delay on it and push the delay to about 800. then play with the volume till it sounds good. For cutting transients the fade tool is a must. get ur chops as close as possible and mess around with the fade tool on the front end of the audio file. theirs multiple layers to to this obviously so lemme kno if u have any other questions.
Hey gersonsalcedo, sorry to hear about your troubles! Are you trying to consolidate multiple regions together? You should be able to accomplish that by Bouncing Regions in Place or Bouncing the Track in Place. Just to clarify, what do you mean by "process audio" and "cut exactly over transients?"
Logic Pro is made for apple. Sorry but good DAWs are for Linux, Windows and apple. I've research the crap out of this and while Logic is great there is something I think it missing. At least I have not seen it mentioned. I was use Ableton live 10 lite. I needed a new DAW and after my research decided on Ableton over pro tools, Reaper, FL Studio, Cubase and studio one. Then I discovered something. Ableton is leaning more and more toward DJing rather than music creation while at the same time I saw that people were talking about Presonous and how they keep adding new features that other DAWs have because they listen to their community. That made my buying decision. I love it. Studio One rules. everyone though has their fav so there you are.
Hey John, thanks for sharing your perspective and journey! I agree, everyone has their fav. I had a friend who has been using Ableton for years and was wondering if he should switch to Logic. I said, "dude, you know Ableton inside and out. Skip learning a new DAW and keep making music!" This channel is definitely for existing Logic users, and those who want to learn Logic. It's not a channel to shame other DAW users.
No offense, but Logic (notator) and Cubase date back to the Atari, and eMagic being bought by apple meant their engineering team designed the Core Audio system for MacOS, and Logic did suffer somewhat from neglect for a few years, but at this point the level of reliability and smoothness makes it a very reliable and efficient piece of software, and there are two accepted industry standard recording tools in the mainstream audio industry - Logic and ProTools. Reaper is gaining some traction. Cubase/Nuendo is dead. If you want an oddball windows DAW that nobody can read the files of, I would recommend sequoia. Pyramix, CEDAR, RADAR... they all have their place. Fairlight xynergi... blackmagic bought 'em so it's "complicated".
Interesting, one thing is forgotten however. Gain staging after eq and compression to keep the same volume before and after, otherwise you are often led to believe it sounds better simply because it gets louder.
Chris after watching your revised version of this video (can't find it now or I would comment there) I trialled and then purchased Reference (version 2 now). You're absolutely right. This is changing the way I mix and I love it.
Thanks, I really love what you said in the first minute of this tutorial....Very profound and so true!. I just put logic on my new MacBook Pro 2019 and
I'm looking forward to living with all of your tutorials.
Excellent tutorial. Thank you!!
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03:27 - EQ
09:51 - DYN + SAT
12:48 - REF (Project Referencing - Mastering the Mix)
16:47 - REF (Room / HP Correction - Sonarworks)
Very cool my brother! Much love! Thanks for turning me on to Plug & Mix! I'm on it!
Thanks so much to introducing me to the Plug & Mix tools! Great sounding plugins at a great price! And another great tutorial!
Thanks ! Great tutorial as always!
i think this one of the best vds i sw doing this type of work not too many fx not too much talking ,,thx dude
Great tutorials. Practical and real tips. I’m an analog guy who recently went over to Logic (from pro tools and larger format studios) and your videos are very helpful!
Same here exactly, Abraham. Old school, analog and PT's just switched to L. This guy Chris is amazing. ✊🏼✨Hooked on his skills. ✌🏼
Why did you switch to logic
Man! You're so helpful! Thank you very much!
Excellent analysis. Crystal clear examples, thanks for the great video.
Very helpful thanks 🙏
Particularly the last 2 plug ins.
I was looking at the Reference plugin just the other day. This sold me on it.
are you pleased?
Fabulous - really helpful. Thx 🤘
Brilliant! Brilliant!! Brilliant!¡!
I'm so glad that I finally caught up with this clip - great plugins.
Master the Mix and Sonarworks in particular need to be in my setup immediately - if not sooner.
Thanks for sharing your superb skill and knowledge so readily! Now if you had a plugin to counter procrastination that would make my day.
So glad to share! I love those 4 intensely. I'll let you know if a procrastination plugin comes out :)
I made the same mistake of buying shitloads of plugins. It was fun messing around with new toys all the time but I've spent literally thousands of dollars on plugins and anymore my project template is all stock plugins, especially when they threw in the Vintage EQ bundle in a recent update. Yeah the most discerning ear might be able to tell the difference between one of the stock Vintage plugins and a UAD equivalent, but the stock stuff is still good enough and within the context of a full mix it just doesn't make much of a difference (to my ear). Also, I like using all the stock stuff because I collaborate via Splice and it's just easier when we're all using the same plugins.
And it’s not like Apple sucks. They have some bad ass plug-ins that other people would spend thousands for!
Thanx a lot Chris. Very useful tips. As always.
You bet!
Trillian bass is my go to plugin.
Great stuff!
Sonarworks Reference 4 is just amazing. Mixes seem to translate better in other listening environments. Highly recommended!
Bewley Brothers i absolutely agree. I have the demo running for a week, and the difference is unbelievable. I always needed to listen on different systems and make adjustments. Now i can confidently bounce and send my mixes(if only it could automatically disable while bouncing😏)
Heck yeah! Automatic bypass would make Reference *perfect*.
(I'm a 'back-to Logic user after many years)....but, yeah, I can't imagine mixing my own projects without Sonarworks! I've owned it for over 8 years now, and my music tracks get played on some larger sound systems out in the 'real world'. I always get positive feedback on the sound. Just did a project in Logic using Sonarworks, my first big project after being away from Logic for 15 years. Wow.... Logic has changed for the better is every way possible that I could imagine. Love it! And WPLR is fantastic.
Ha ha, that cheap Plug and Mix bundle is the best 3rd party bargain I ever got. They all have a lot of that “Waves-esque” tube character, and really pronounced too if you want that. Sound Toys Suite is fantastic too...although I went overboard with Echoboy a few million times🤣 That referencing plugin looks very powerful.
Thank you!
I have a great sounding room but the ref 4 software just makes it even better. The best piece of software I’ve ever purchased. Epic.
Studio one 4 try it
Wow great! ♥️
Was about to spend a lot of money on framing a room for mixing. This is definitely a cheaper option
thanks :)
Regarding the Plug & Mix bundle, it's not $100 for 45 plugins, it's $249 for the bundle. And "You can pick up this plugin for $10 most days"? Every plugin costs $49 every time I've gone to their website.
Very good!
Thanks!
What is the song playing during the 3rd plugin? Available anywhere? Sounds great!
The last two.... just shows how you get it.
3) The human ear, the way we percieve sounds and mentally compare.
4) The easily forgotten thing about endless variations of ways the sound travels to you and others and of the epic quest to achieve true feedback.
4.1) You could do a video about human ears - how they age and how different people have different scars / damages to the ears and how you could EQ back those forever lost frequencies after seeing someone with the equipment to meter when you hear a sine wave. ;)
Sonarworks rules.
I don't understand how the retro eq makes your life easier than the vinatge eq included in Logic.. ?
I have the same philosophy as you and I would also add Waves NX in the list
Check Tokyo Dawn Records plugins. Highly recommended NOVA.
Very much true!!!
Hey sounds great keep up the great work and keep on recording and making music I also do a lot of mixing and recording tips on my channel if you need any so keep up the great work your doing great and the music sounds great keep it up
Cool video Chris! Just wondering, what is that green "Q" button right next to the Power button on the tracks?
Good catch Dr Voodoo! When you group a set of tracks and enable "Editing (Selection)" and "Quantize-Locked (Audio)" in the Group Settings, you'll see the Q button. The Q stands for "Q Reference."
With it, you're able to choose which tracks in a Group Logic focus on when analyzing Transients for Flex Time. For example, in a multimic drum scenario I will use my Kick and Snare tracks as the Q-Reference tracks.
@@WhyLogicProRules Ah... the grouped editing feature, got it. Thanks for the detailed explanation!
Great channel! I'm curious why you prefer Retro Eq over the new Logic vintage Eq's??? Also would like to see how you correct the imbalances that Reference shows you and a detailed explanation of why you prefer SonarWorks 4 over IK ARC 2.5.
Thanks for the comment Joely! I love the Logic Vintage EQs. The Retro EQ is just the *tiniest* bit more functional for me. If the low and high shelfs on Logic Console EQ were switchable to parametric bands I would use that in a heart beat.
“I like that!”
Do you use Devil Loc on other sources like vocals, for example?
I went and purchased the Plug and Mix product you suggested, only to find out that it's not supported in the current Mac OS. Such a bummer. Do you know of any workarounds to make it work with the current version of Logic?
Hi there, you mentioned that sonarworks comes with an included mic. I can’t find that mic! You maybe know what type of mic is needed? Thank you!
Maybe you bought the headphones only version which doesn't come with a mic? The full version for both headphones and speakers comes with a pencil type sound calibration microphone. It might be possible to purchase one separately.
Can you purchase the Apple Loops?
Hey Chris thanks for all the great content.
Quick Question-
Soundtoys effect rack is on SALE, would you recommend Just Getting the "Devil loc" solo for 29 smackeroos , or "Effect rack" for 199? I was thinking just getting the "Devil loc" (Bcus on a-bit of a budget) Then maybe "REFERENCE mastering".
-Also is there a big difference between that "Retro EQ" (You Recommend) & the "Vintage EQ's" in Logic.
would love to know your thoughts. :)
I'm new to Logic Pro X and there a lot of things I don't know about balance, EQs, Mastering and Mix. Looking at the plugins for what you are demonstrating seems to be a little easier to use. But I know others still use the plugins in Logic for what you are showing here. Should I not learn what is in Logic or just buy these plugins that you are talking about that makes your workflow easier? Hope my questions are not dumb.
Hey Kenneth, not dumb at all! Learning what you have in Logic is well worth the effort. And honestly, more worth the effort than spending a bunch of money on 3rd party stuff. However, subscribers do ask often what 3rd party stuff I do rely on. So I created the video to appease that question. The metering plugins from Mastering the Mix (Levels, Bassroom, Reference) and Reference from Sonarworks, to me, are must-haves. Because they help guide the mix process and improve what you're hearing. But stick with the plugins in Logic and learn those the best you can.
this is sort of on topic but not quite... should i dump all my VST plug-ins and just keep the AU versions... are the VST's just taking up space on my hard drive if i don't actually seem to use them?
thanks in anticipation!!
Yes if you only use Logic dump them. Some installers ask which versions to load so I only tick au for precisely this reason. While you’re at it you can release loads of hd space by dumping all the foreign languages you don’t use on your Mac etc
This was a while back. Does it need an update episode?
In connection with reference tracks: (Aren’t) reference tracks already mastered, not just mixed. Therefore isn’t using a reference track - that’s already mixed AND mastered - with a track that’s only at the mix stage potentially misleading? Please set me straight on this if you can, thanks.
Mastering shouldn't change the sound of the track that much, ideally.
It’s there to steer you in the right direction. You might be mixing too bright or bass heavy and the reference track smacks you back to reality.
The eq is not m1 mac compatable is it?
Can anyone help? I am having an issue where one key on my controller (C4) wont trigger any sound in Logic, but the same key works in Garage Band. Any ideas or where to go for help are welcome. Thanks.
You probably accidentally keyed it to a short cut
@@ibanezxiphos700 How might I undo this please?
@@clintrichardsonclintfromny203 click on Logic Pro x in the top left drop down menu then control surfaces and then control assignments and see if it says anything in there
On a general note, I think it's a shame that too many people are seduced into spending money on the "latest, greatest, essential" plug-in that some producer of the month has declared to be the thing that your mixes/production will suck, if you don't install it. Most of the time from what I've seen people complain about is something along the lies of..."My mixes sound bad compared to XXXX yyyyyyy's mixes, but all I need to do is buy those plugins they talk about, and it will fix the problem.
What, it would seem, at any rate is that many people expect a "magic bullet" that will improve things instantly. I have often tried to use only Logic's tools, because most of the time they are more than up to the task, and any shortcomings in the final mixed project, are NOT because of lack of plugins, but because I didn't do things properly myself.
And I'm sure the same would be true if I used Cubase/Reaper/Ableton etc. etc. Most of the third party plugs I have are to cover something that isn't really there in Logic.
Superior Drummer 3, because whilst I HAVE used Logic's kits, SD3 simply does a bigger better job for certain things.
I also bought U-He's Pro one and five synths, partially because I still have and love my Sequential Pro-One, but I always liked the sound, and the U-He plugin captures that sound incredibly well. With no messing about with CV/Midi conversions, and saveable patch edits. Just different from , say, the ES2
I also bought a couple of cheap reverbs, mainly Audiority Xenoverb, because it's so different to Logics built in. Just an occasional sweetener that no native 'verb can get.
Basically, when people have asked what plugins they should get to "get THAT sound" it's usually good advice to get to learn what is already there, to good effect.
THEN go and buy something that you CAN'T do already.
Ditto for Guitarists, bassists, keyboard players, drummers.....! Master what you already have, and then go after something new to extend what you can do already.
PS, only recently discovered your channel.Lots of sensible advice, and well presented. Liked and subscribed.
So what's wrong with Arc 2? That's what I have. I've heard so much about Sonarworks, and nothing about Arc 2, and now I'm not sure if I'm helping or hurting myself by using Arc 2.
I think Arc 2.5 is good. The major difference is Sonar has the headphone adjuster which Arc doesn't, and Sonar adapts to your system. So even when your listening to music or watching youtube it offers correction. Arc basically works in your DAW. If you don't need to mix/master in headphones or listen to music in a corrected environment then Arc is perfectly fine for helping clear your room up when mixing/tracking.
Hope that helps.
MelodicDreamers, what’s funny is I’ve gotten so used to my room and it’s quirks from listening to as much music as I can in there that the Arc 2 correction actually throws me off. So I don’t even use it. It was a waste of money for me, but I can see how it would be useful if reference tracks were corrected as well, but trying to match my room corrected mix up to an un-corrected, professional mix is basically impossible.
Chris. Could you make a video about how to mix for cell phones? There really isn't much info out there compared to other topics. Though I can always get good mixes on my monitors, the mixes always "always" sound distorted on cell phones. I try to keep an eye on True Peak readings but still just can't seem to get it right. Heeeeelp! lol
I'll add it to the list! Let me ask you some seemingly silly questions: is there a brickwall limiter like the Adaptive Limiter on your Stereo Output when you Bounce out your track? What is the Output Ceiling set to?
I used Mastering the Mix's "Levels" to make sure my mix is meeting technical specs. It suggests a "True Peak" limit of -3 though it actually recommends -6. I'm usually at -4.5. My peak meter reading never gets above -6 on the Stereo Out, trying to allow for the usual headroom, etc. I really don't use any plug-ins on my Stereo Out though I have tried an EQ which helped. I also highpass on most instruments, except Bass and Kick of course. Mid tones seem to cause the most problem though they are balanced on the iZotope's Tonal Balance Curve. Other than just slamming the Stereo Out with a monster high pass or shelf, I just can't seem to get the energies down to the point where they don't distort on the cell phone. A bit dazed and confused at the moment. Thanks.
My suggestion would be to definitely place a brickwall limiter as the last plugin in your chain. *Just* to be safe. You don't have to drive up the gain if you don't want to. But the brickwall limiter will make sure nothing is clipping.
Second, I wonder if you're adding Dither when you bounce your tracks? Dither is used to mask the negative effects caused by truncating your mix by Bouncing out. Logic's Bounce dialogue offers many different options for Dither.
Beyond that, I wonder if there's some distortion present in your tracks that aren't noticeable until it's bounced out. Feel free to email me if you need more help: whylogicprorules.com/contact/
The bass tones and low percussion always disappear when I play my recordings on an iPhone. It's as if those tracks were muted, cancelled, gone. I'm talking about using the phone's speakers, not playing it through another stereo over bluetooth.
Raymond Castile For sure, mixes don’t sound good when listening on an iPhone as it is not a good monitoring speaker device. Mixes don’t translate well on these tiny speakers. You have to playback your song on various devices if possible. Why would you want to mix for iPhone anyway?
Wow that looks almost too good to be true.
Can you tell me what song you are mixing? shallow and free so you can live without me.
Please.
The band is Brotherless, find them on Apple Music
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Silly question time! The Reference- do you use this to compare to a favorite song/mix and simply adjust your EQs or levels or compression or....what? Is it that simple, or am I sounding hopelessly amateur here??!!
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That is exactly it. You use the reference and compare it with your mix to find inconsistencies. If you don't have a reference point you are basically mixing in the blind. I use it a lot to check how the vocals sit in the mix, and to get an idea for EQ'ing instruments. Obviously, the purpose of it is not exactly copying everything, that is why is just a reference! Also, I tend to use 3 reference tracks.
Its a guitar compressor
Why is so hard to edit audio in this daw?
gersonsalcedo What are u trying to do specifically?
@@TheYacoviello I'm just trying to edit the same simple way it is done in pro tools or cubase. Consolidate is hard, process audio is almost impossible, cut exactly over transients, these are some examples. Even so, Logic is a great daw. What I'm doing is process and edit audio in pro tools and mixing in Logic
gersonsalcedo even though i am a logic user i will admit, pro tools is the fastest daw for audio editing. However, once u get the hang of logic you’ll see that its efficient and user friendly like most apple products and softwares. for consolidating a single track: try duplicating the track. with the duplicated track, throw a sample delay on it and push the delay to about 800.
then play with the volume till it sounds good.
For cutting transients the fade tool is a must. get ur chops as close as possible and mess around with the fade tool on the front end of the audio file.
theirs multiple layers to to this obviously so lemme kno if u have any other questions.
Hey gersonsalcedo, sorry to hear about your troubles! Are you trying to consolidate multiple regions together? You should be able to accomplish that by Bouncing Regions in Place or Bouncing the Track in Place. Just to clarify, what do you mean by "process audio" and "cut exactly over transients?"
@@TheYacoviello I much prefer sequoia and samplitude for speed of audio editing over protools
Logic Pro is made for apple. Sorry but good DAWs are for Linux, Windows and apple. I've research the crap out of this and while Logic is great there is something I think it missing. At least I have not seen it mentioned. I was use Ableton live 10 lite. I needed a new DAW and after my research decided on Ableton over pro tools, Reaper, FL Studio, Cubase and studio one. Then I discovered something. Ableton is leaning more and more toward DJing rather than music creation while at the same time I saw that people were talking about Presonous and how they keep adding new features that other DAWs have because they listen to their community. That made my buying decision. I love it. Studio One rules. everyone though has their fav so there you are.
Hey John, thanks for sharing your perspective and journey! I agree, everyone has their fav. I had a friend who has been using Ableton for years and was wondering if he should switch to Logic. I said, "dude, you know Ableton inside and out. Skip learning a new DAW and keep making music!" This channel is definitely for existing Logic users, and those who want to learn Logic. It's not a channel to shame other DAW users.
what is missing ?
No offense, but Logic (notator) and Cubase date back to the Atari, and eMagic being bought by apple meant their engineering team designed the Core Audio system for MacOS, and Logic did suffer somewhat from neglect for a few years, but at this point the level of reliability and smoothness makes it a very reliable and efficient piece of software, and there are two accepted industry standard recording tools in the mainstream audio industry - Logic and ProTools. Reaper is gaining some traction. Cubase/Nuendo is dead.
If you want an oddball windows DAW that nobody can read the files of, I would recommend sequoia.
Pyramix, CEDAR, RADAR... they all have their place. Fairlight xynergi... blackmagic bought 'em so it's "complicated".