Another great video Wade. We have both the Royale and the Klingon Empire- both great skirts. One thing I'd say is the best skirt is one you can in fact get on and off yourself. We had an incident yesterday where we came upon another group with some beginning kayakers. One of them flipped over, didn't know how to roll, and was unable to pull her rand skirt due to how tight it was. She ended up having to come out through the tube of the skirt. So whichever skirt you get, and it goes without saying, you need to make sure you can get it on and off. Personally, I use the Klingon Empire all the time and like it.
dam that's crazy and I have heard stories like that before did you see what brand it was and what kayak? That's why I would suggested beginners stick with bungee but there are some easy rand options there..
@@WadeHarrison Boat was an older blisstick river runner. Not sure why skirt it was- they only said it was so hard to put on she needed help so my guess was combo of way too small a skirt and maybe just lack of experience and not practicing wet exits.
Wow, that would be terrifying! 😱 Could obviously turn a new boater off the sport too, or at the very least make staying calm while learning your roll that much harder. Poor form on part of the more experienced boaters in their group not setting that newbie up for success.
Hi Wade . Thank for the video . I had to go through this problem myself since I playboat in the ocean surf here in Perth WA and you can impact with really big waves. I had a budget ( bungie cord ) deck that was imploding on me every time so I had to get smart. If you lightly send the rim of the boat cockpit and rub surf wax along it ( and also under the deck , where you have the grippy silicone area ) you'll see an enormous improvement against implosions . I'm talking about a night and day difference 😉 Now I have a good one ( still bungie cord) but I still use the surf wax trick and never had one single implosion so far .
@@WadeHarrison happy to help and give back some of the helpful advices that I've received from you 😉 and others. Also for those people wearing a wetsuit , watch out for that gap created by our spines along the lower back that makes a channel for the water to sip through . In my experience 80% of the times is the reason for water leaking in the boat .
Thanks for this. I use a bungee but was always curious what the difference is. Still learning the sport and only paddle in class 2 and some 3 rapids, so thus far, the bungee is ok . When it comes time to upgrade, now I know!!! Thankyou for this!!!
I bought an IR Royale with an XL cockpit size last October on a whim from the discount section in the IR store. That was and probably will be my greatest ever impulse buy of whitewater gear. It did take a little while to stretch it out enough to actually fit an XL cockpit, but once that was achieved it was just pure money in terms of performance. I also found that I could use the Royale on L cockpits as well, examples being the RPM, Rewind, and Whip-It, and that thing wouldn't implode and still remained pretty dry for the most part. There isn't a single bungee cord skirt that can be used effectively between two cockpit sizes as far as I'm aware.
@@EricSmith-wx3hq I agree. I use my Royale XL on Machno and Billy, but also on my Ozone, which calls for a large, and it stays very dry even while playing and spending a lot of time upside down.
Hi Wade, Just curious about something related to skirt. I've been concerned of one thing lately and I'm paying a lot of attention to this when I'm putting the skirt on my boat. Anobody has ever close the skirt with the pull handle in the boat and not noticing it? And then you know, try to swim for any reason and struggling like mad to get out of the boat. I can see every body rolling their eyes up but I have a rand skirt and it's kind of easy to do this for multiple reason, weight of the handle, and it's design to point donward to act as a lever on the rand. It's hard to remove the skirt with the handle in. I'm selftaugh so I don't know if it is something they talk about in kayak course for beginner? Great video has always!
Hey buddy I don’t care what anyone says it does happen accidentally get the pull handles trapped in the skirt yeah it would make it difficult but not impossible to get out my advice would be get the knees up and try to blow the skirt that way and really best thing it double triple Che everytime you put the skirt on that the handle is easy to reach
Hi I am a dagger axis kayak camper doing mostly day and overnight trips on the beautiful lakes in Northern Ontario. Sometimes the wind tunnels make them a bit wavy. Just looking for recommendations for a spray skirt for this purpose. I sure hope someday to try the whitewater for real, thanks to Wade, very informative. Robbie
Cockpit on The axis is 38" x 21" This one in the XL Should fit www.rei.com/product/173593/dagger-outbound-spray-skirt?CAWELAID=120217890009997693&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=129031253264&CATCI=pla-1261577201013&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_1735930001%7C92700063689289229%7CNB%7C71700000083586301&gclid=CjwKCAjw-sqKBhBjEiwAVaQ9awy7-UyFikjQbnXrv0Uytms5Y1RmwoFxOtTy9wuiB12ZKrg3FbSaqhoCf2IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Great information, Wade, and even better presentation to demonstrate implosion. Bring on that promised Phantom review! I just bought one, but have not had it out on any fun water, yet.
Just started paddling last year and received a recommendation from the dude at liquid logic for klingon empire. It has been dry and very user friendly so far on the class 3 we run, but I will definitely try out a royal as I upgrade equipment for higher class water. Good vid to show the difference, many thanks
Yeah that makes since that what I was trying to say that starting out the bungee probably be fine but as running more serious whitewater probably want to start looking into something more implosion resistance
In a pool drop rappid I found that paddling a a boat full of water to shore is easier then swimming. Having to empty a kayak full of water after several drops gets cold when your bungee cord spray skirt implodes on you; even though you stayed upright through all of them. Choosing to boat in shorts and a paddle jacket top seemed to be another bad decision of that day, in hind sight. Cold day, but I still insist that I have never had a bad day kayaking, though I have seen some that have.
I can respect your decision, but I've always been fine with a bungee. Every rand skirt I've had was more trouble than its worth, and I can't say I've met many people that disagree. Maybe at V+ or different areas it would be better, don't know. Also, I think I'd rather be able to get my skirt on and off quick in an emergency.
I found a Level Six King (rand) on sale and picked it up for the Braaap that I'd just picked up a few years ago. It was great all summer. Then I showed up one day during a cold snap in October in the Adirondacks and couldn't get the damned thing on without help. I dropped back to an old Seals 1.7 bungee that fit the boat until I picked up an IR Klingon that's been great year-round.
I have a Level 6 King and Ace in different sizes. Certainly when new and especially when cold they are a bear to get on (on a boat well within their recommended cockpit rim sizes). I had to leave mine on the boat for a week or two to stretch it out. I also have a couple of bungee ones that I use for my sea kayaks. For boats that have screws around the rim area (e.g. seat mounting ones) like Dagger and Wilderness Systems sea kayaks, it can get a bit tight to get a rand skirt in there, but it works you just have to finesse it in a bit. I have never had a problem getting one to release.
@@AndrewMoizer I never used those level six but they look really good and I totally agree with you on the dam screw heads causing issues I would love to see dagger recessed those…
@@WadeHarrison I also currently use a Level 6 Ace. Randomly bought it used because my old trusty Perception/Harmony EZ rand wouldn’t fit on my Ripper. I’ve used some of those Perception/Harmony skirts for over 20 years and they’re still kicking but I’ve been pretty impressed with the quality of the Level 6 for as much as I use/abuse it.
I had always used bungee before but now I'm getting to into class 4 and above, so after seeing this video I got a Royale and I really like it. It's a LOT dryer than the bungee skirts, I almost never have to empty my boat during a run, even when I'm doing roll practice on the way down. Have you had problems with the tape they put over the seams coming off? I've had this problem, but mostly when I used to use my skirt in a pool session in chlorinated water. Now I have a 'junk skirt' I use for that stuff. Anyway, great video it helps a lot.
Anywhere you recommend getting an IR deck from over in America? I live in Ireland and it's impossible to get a good spraydeck to fit my Nirvana. Thanks, all the best
@@WadeHarrison yeah, looked around but they seem like the best bet. Do you think ordering a deck size one level below the recommended deck size for your boat is alright?
Nice vid, and good topic. I wish you would have spent a little time on implosions, covering when they are most likely to happen so boaters can assess whether they might need a rand. I certainly know a lot of really good boaters who use bungee skirts and have never had issues. I always used a bungee, but got a Royale (XL deck) about a year ago. It’s built like a tank! I thought main drawbacks would be harder to put on in cold, and less dry. The first is definitely true, but it’s been very dry, even when I use it on my M Ozone, which calls for a large. As for the cold, I stretch mine like you, but that doesn’t always matter if you have a hike before paddling since you can’t stretch it right before unless you don’t wear it in. I like idea of keeping it warm in car, but again, that only helps if you are putting on river right from car. It was tough to put on my S Machno in winter, and it’s harder on Billy in summer, so I’m probably going to pick up a bungee for next winter (or a XXL Royale??).
Good feedback Kevin and yes agree it’s kinda all goes out the window when have to hike in and for sure could have spent more time on imploding the most common is straight pencil off drops and going deep and water pressure blows it and ten other is big holes just blasting it
This is way late to the party but I've got to get a new skirt and was cruising information about rands to see if it was worth upgrading. How tough was the rand in winter, Kevin? I haven't looked to see what you're using now. Here in the PNW it feels like half of our paddling days are
@@thedullend I’ve been using my bungee (IR Klingon Empire) exclusively for a while now. It’s very dry and more user-friendly than my Royale, so I’ve had a hard time convincing myself to switch back. I’m sure an implosion could happen in the right situation, where a rand might not, but I do feel like that’s fairly unlikely since I’m not running big waterfalls. When I talk to IR about this, they basically said the same thing.
Interesting that you didn't mention the Kevlar band. Many years ago, when I paddled a lot, I would wear out the edge of a skirt. I had a very low brace roll and scraped every time. That's why I started with the Mountain Surf kevlar/rand. I have had a couple of people watch me put on my rand skirt (now a seals pro rand), and they comment on the amount of effort it takes. Especially women find them to hard to put on. I think the effort is not so much the rand as the kevlar. Don't think the kevlar stretches much. Does anyone make a rand skirt with no kevlar?
Very interesting Tom I was thinking more on the way of summer the skirt pops right on and winter it’s a beast so I didn’t think that was the Kevlar causing that but yeah very good observation and definitely something to consider
Interesting, I've never used a rand skirt and I've also never had a deck pop even in massive surf or big water. Was wondering though if you'd worry about not getting out easily if pinned or stuck underwater with a rand?
Haha. I've got the empire and a lucky. Both are awesome, the empire is definitely drier at my park n play but haven't had any issues with either. IR is the way to go period. Great customer service and superior products.
@@WadeHarrison I use the rand almost always less playboating. If I end up creeking in the ripper, the empire goes on easier and is still crazy tight, at that point it's just if I ate my Wheaties or not...lol
Do your skirts transfer water when you’re playboating? I just started playboating and I have to sponge bale a fair amount of water after subbing and rolling. I’m currently using bungee. I’m just assuming there isn’t a 100% waterproof skirt…
the Dagger Palm one is a good mix between these 2 its like a easy rand. Mine is one of the first ones dagger got and I gave feedback on. Its a really good skirt Mine has just not head up very well like the Royal and It actually imploded on me just last week that why I wanted to do the video.
I'll tell you my wife just can't get a rand on her boat without help. The Bungie she can so for her the range is too hard. Most of the women in our club can't get the rand on. So if you are weaker than some or maybe a little injured then Bungie. IR for both, Best brand. six rand was too hard for me to put on and I'm pretty well built so that is the only draw back i know is the difficulty of getting it on.
I thought I wanted a bungee for my first skirt but maybe not… that’s why I watching videos like this…. To see what more experience people are using and think
Yeah, Those Bungee ones will implode I have never had an IR rand implode level Six is supposed to have their new skirt soon can't wait to see what it's like?
@@WadeHarrison at first according to the spray skirts I just wanted to write just "sexy." But didnt want to insult you, I really do have got a strange humor. But good video as always.
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Another great video Wade. We have both the Royale and the Klingon Empire- both great skirts. One thing I'd say is the best skirt is one you can in fact get on and off yourself. We had an incident yesterday where we came upon another group with some beginning kayakers. One of them flipped over, didn't know how to roll, and was unable to pull her rand skirt due to how tight it was. She ended up having to come out through the tube of the skirt. So whichever skirt you get, and it goes without saying, you need to make sure you can get it on and off. Personally, I use the Klingon Empire all the time and like it.
dam that's crazy and I have heard stories like that before did you see what brand it was and what kayak? That's why I would suggested beginners stick with bungee but there are some easy rand options there..
@@WadeHarrison Boat was an older blisstick river runner. Not sure why skirt it was- they only said it was so hard to put on she needed help so my guess was combo of way too small a skirt and maybe just lack of experience and not practicing wet exits.
@@SouthernYak oh I could totally see that
Wow, that would be terrifying! 😱 Could obviously turn a new boater off the sport too, or at the very least make staying calm while learning your roll that much harder. Poor form on part of the more experienced boaters in their group not setting that newbie up for success.
@@kevinhill.8 yeah that’s some serious mistakes to send a new paddlers out without the ability to pull a skirt off a rim I agree ☝🏻 with this comment
Hi Wade .
Thank for the video .
I had to go through this problem myself since I playboat in the ocean surf here in Perth WA and you can impact with really big waves.
I had a budget ( bungie cord ) deck that was imploding on me every time so I had to get smart.
If you lightly send the rim of the boat cockpit and rub surf wax along it ( and also under the deck , where you have the grippy silicone area ) you'll see an enormous improvement against implosions .
I'm talking about a night and day difference 😉
Now I have a good one ( still bungie cord) but I still use the surf wax trick and never had one single implosion so far .
Wow thanks for the tip Fabulous Fabrizio I have never thought of this but it makes total sense!
@@WadeHarrison happy to help and give back some of the helpful advices that I've received from you 😉 and others.
Also for those people wearing a wetsuit , watch out for that gap created by our spines along the lower back that makes a channel for the water to sip through .
In my experience 80% of the times is the reason for water leaking in the boat .
Thanks for this. I use a bungee but was always curious what the difference is. Still learning the sport and only paddle in class 2 and some 3 rapids, so thus far, the bungee is ok . When it comes time to upgrade, now I know!!! Thankyou for this!!!
Glad I could help thanks for watching
I bought an IR Royale with an XL cockpit size last October on a whim from the discount section in the IR store. That was and probably will be my greatest ever impulse buy of whitewater gear. It did take a little while to stretch it out enough to actually fit an XL cockpit, but once that was achieved it was just pure money in terms of performance. I also found that I could use the Royale on L cockpits as well, examples being the RPM, Rewind, and Whip-It, and that thing wouldn't implode and still remained pretty dry for the most part. There isn't a single bungee cord skirt that can be used effectively between two cockpit sizes as far as I'm aware.
I agree the IR Royal has been the best I have ever put on my cockpit
Do u think if I got an XL it work on both my xl deck 9r and my large deck ez and stay dry/implosion resistant?
@@EricSmith-wx3hq My Royale XL fits on a Whip-It's 84' rim, so an EZ's 87' rim shouldn't be an issue.
@@EricSmith-wx3hq I agree. I use my Royale XL on Machno and Billy, but also on my Ozone, which calls for a large, and it stays very dry even while playing and spending a lot of time upside down.
Hi Wade,
Just curious about something related to skirt.
I've been concerned of one thing lately and I'm paying a lot of attention to this when I'm putting the skirt on my boat.
Anobody has ever close the skirt with the pull handle in the boat and not noticing it? And then you know, try to swim for any reason and struggling like mad to get out of the boat.
I can see every body rolling their eyes up but I have a rand skirt and it's kind of easy to do this for multiple reason, weight of the handle, and it's design to point donward to act as a lever on the rand.
It's hard to remove the skirt with the handle in. I'm selftaugh so I don't know if it is something they talk about in kayak course for beginner?
Great video has always!
Hey buddy I don’t care what anyone says it does happen accidentally get the pull handles trapped in the skirt yeah it would make it difficult but not impossible to get out my advice would be get the knees up and try to blow the skirt that way and really best thing it double triple Che everytime you put the skirt on that the handle is easy to reach
Used to use rand, they get really hard to put on in the winter. The Klingon Empire is the driest skirt I've ever used.
I would agree with that has it ever imploded on you?
@@WadeHarrison I haven't give it a chance to implode. I still have the rand skirt if I am on something rowdy.
@@dangerjudy5334 gotcha!!!
Yeah, rand skirts in winter are a solid workout!
@@mattdecker9691 I trust me I know lol this royal and cold and a Pyranha cock pit brutal
Hi I am a dagger axis kayak camper doing mostly day and overnight trips on the beautiful lakes in Northern Ontario. Sometimes the wind tunnels make them a bit wavy. Just looking for recommendations for a spray skirt for this purpose. I sure hope someday to try the whitewater for real, thanks to Wade, very informative. Robbie
Cockpit on The axis is 38" x 21" This one in the XL Should fit
www.rei.com/product/173593/dagger-outbound-spray-skirt?CAWELAID=120217890009997693&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=129031253264&CATCI=pla-1261577201013&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_1735930001%7C92700063689289229%7CNB%7C71700000083586301&gclid=CjwKCAjw-sqKBhBjEiwAVaQ9awy7-UyFikjQbnXrv0Uytms5Y1RmwoFxOtTy9wuiB12ZKrg3FbSaqhoCf2IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
The answer I was looking for at 9:15 !!! Thanks again Wade for another awesome video!
Thanks for watching glad I could help out buddy
Great information, Wade, and even better presentation to demonstrate implosion. Bring on that promised Phantom review! I just bought one, but have not had it out on any fun water, yet.
Yes it will be soon
Just started paddling last year and received a recommendation from the dude at liquid logic for klingon empire. It has been dry and very user friendly so far on the class 3 we run, but I will definitely try out a royal as I upgrade equipment for higher class water. Good vid to show the difference, many thanks
Yeah that makes since that what I was trying to say that starting out the bungee probably be fine but as running more serious whitewater probably want to start looking into something more implosion resistance
Wade..I hope I meet you sometime..your a REAL asset to the paddling community..Thanks Man!!
Thanks RE keep paddling out there sure run paths someday?
Thanks for the info Wade. You had me worried though that you were going to slip a grip and smack your giblets when you were putting the rand skirt on.
ahahha oh I would have totally put that in the video I was not even thinking about the giblets but dam it would have been entertaining for the video 😅
What if I’m just looking to stay dry and warm in flat water winter paddling? Is the rand still appropriate or overkill?
yes rand is overkill go bungee you will be fine
In a pool drop rappid I found that paddling a a boat full of water to shore is easier then swimming. Having to empty a kayak full of water after several drops gets cold when your bungee cord spray skirt implodes on you; even though you stayed upright through all of them. Choosing to boat in shorts and a paddle jacket top seemed to be another bad decision of that day, in hind sight. Cold day, but I still insist that I have never had a bad day kayaking, though I have seen some that have.
agree paddling in pools with a kayak full of water is pretty simple also agree being under dressed is never a good thing always dress for the swim
@@WadeHarrison Got away with it because of it being a short run on a sunny day. Some how I had the wrong gear bag thrown into my car.
I can respect your decision, but I've always been fine with a bungee. Every rand skirt I've had was more trouble than its worth, and I can't say I've met many people that disagree. Maybe at V+ or different areas it would be better, don't know. Also, I think I'd rather be able to get my skirt on and off quick in an emergency.
Totally agree being able to throw it on and off the rim is a major factor when on the River thanks for the feedback Ian
I found a Level Six King (rand) on sale and picked it up for the Braaap that I'd just picked up a few years ago. It was great all summer. Then I showed up one day during a cold snap in October in the Adirondacks and couldn't get the damned thing on without help. I dropped back to an old Seals 1.7 bungee that fit the boat until I picked up an IR Klingon that's been great year-round.
I have seen those level six and they look good but never used one
I have a Level 6 King and Ace in different sizes. Certainly when new and especially when cold they are a bear to get on (on a boat well within their recommended cockpit rim sizes). I had to leave mine on the boat for a week or two to stretch it out. I also have a couple of bungee ones that I use for my sea kayaks.
For boats that have screws around the rim area (e.g. seat mounting ones) like Dagger and Wilderness Systems sea kayaks, it can get a bit tight to get a rand skirt in there, but it works you just have to finesse it in a bit. I have never had a problem getting one to release.
@@AndrewMoizer I never used those level six but they look really good and I totally agree with you on the dam screw heads causing issues I would love to see dagger recessed those…
@@WadeHarrison I also currently use a Level 6 Ace. Randomly bought it used because my old trusty Perception/Harmony EZ rand wouldn’t fit on my Ripper. I’ve used some of those Perception/Harmony skirts for over 20 years and they’re still kicking but I’ve been pretty impressed with the quality of the Level 6 for as much as I use/abuse it.
I had always used bungee before but now I'm getting to into class 4 and above, so after seeing this video I got a Royale and I really like it. It's a LOT dryer than the bungee skirts, I almost never have to empty my boat during a run, even when I'm doing roll practice on the way down. Have you had problems with the tape they put over the seams coming off? I've had this problem, but mostly when I used to use my skirt in a pool session in chlorinated water. Now I have a 'junk skirt' I use for that stuff. Anyway, great video it helps a lot.
Thanks for the feedback Matthew
Anywhere you recommend getting an IR deck from over in America? I live in Ireland and it's impossible to get a good spraydeck to fit my Nirvana. Thanks, all the best
Think you can order right off IR website?
immersionresearch.com/collections/rand-skirts
@@WadeHarrison yeah, looked around but they seem like the best bet. Do you think ordering a deck size one level below the recommended deck size for your boat is alright?
Question, I just got a SHOCK CORD skirt, what is the difference
Shock cord is just another term for bungee
@@WadeHarrison thank you, bought one, it feels like something between a bungee and rand skirt.
Nice vid, and good topic. I wish you would have spent a little time on implosions, covering when they are most likely to happen so boaters can assess whether they might need a rand. I certainly know a lot of really good boaters who use bungee skirts and have never had issues.
I always used a bungee, but got a Royale (XL deck) about a year ago. It’s built like a tank! I thought main drawbacks would be harder to put on in cold, and less dry. The first is definitely true, but it’s been very dry, even when I use it on my M Ozone, which calls for a large.
As for the cold, I stretch mine like you, but that doesn’t always matter if you have a hike before paddling since you can’t stretch it right before unless you don’t wear it in. I like idea of keeping it warm in car, but again, that only helps if you are putting on river right from car. It was tough to put on my S Machno in winter, and it’s harder on Billy in summer, so I’m probably going to pick up a bungee for next winter (or a XXL Royale??).
Good feedback Kevin and yes agree it’s kinda all goes out the window when have to hike in and for sure could have spent more time on imploding the most common is straight pencil off drops and going deep and water pressure blows it and ten other is big holes just blasting it
This is way late to the party but I've got to get a new skirt and was cruising information about rands to see if it was worth upgrading. How tough was the rand in winter, Kevin? I haven't looked to see what you're using now. Here in the PNW it feels like half of our paddling days are
@@thedullend I’ve been using my bungee (IR Klingon Empire) exclusively for a while now. It’s very dry and more user-friendly than my Royale, so I’ve had a hard time convincing myself to switch back. I’m sure an implosion could happen in the right situation, where a rand might not, but I do feel like that’s fairly unlikely since I’m not running big waterfalls. When I talk to IR about this, they basically said the same thing.
Interesting that you didn't mention the Kevlar band. Many years ago, when I paddled a lot, I would wear out the edge of a skirt. I had a very low brace roll and scraped every time. That's why I started with the Mountain Surf kevlar/rand. I have had a couple of people watch me put on my rand skirt (now a seals pro rand), and they comment on the amount of effort it takes. Especially women find them to hard to put on. I think the effort is not so much the rand as the kevlar. Don't think the kevlar stretches much. Does anyone make a rand skirt with no kevlar?
Very interesting Tom I was thinking more on the way of summer the skirt pops right on and winter it’s a beast so I didn’t think that was the Kevlar causing that but yeah very good observation and definitely something to consider
Interesting, I've never used a rand skirt and I've also never had a deck pop even in massive surf or big water. Was wondering though if you'd worry about not getting out easily if pinned or stuck underwater with a rand?
I think its unlikely but have heard stories of paddlers not being able to get the skirt off...
@@WadeHarrison rands aren't that common in the UK so unless you're sponsored or travel overseas or not most people don't have them.
@@philipmcdonald5629 that’s very interesting I know palm makes some good ones
Which category does the dagger outbound spray skirt (for the dagger axis) fall under?
that more of a rec style skirt cover not for Whitewater the Axis is such a good boat
@@WadeHarrison what skirt would you recommend for the axis? I have my axis on hold... I don't know when it's actually going to arrive. 😔
Haha. I've got the empire and a lucky. Both are awesome, the empire is definitely drier at my park n play but haven't had any issues with either. IR is the way to go period. Great customer service and superior products.
Which one you use the most for creeking or do you go back and forth
@@WadeHarrison I use the rand almost always less playboating. If I end up creeking in the ripper, the empire goes on easier and is still crazy tight, at that point it's just if I ate my Wheaties or not...lol
Oh yeah Pyranha rims lol they will add a 5% less implosion resistance to any bungee skirt
Do your skirts transfer water when you’re playboating?
I just started playboating and I have to sponge bale a fair amount of water after subbing and rolling.
I’m currently using bungee.
I’m just assuming there isn’t a 100% waterproof skirt…
yes always but I keep a sponge with me when playboating so its not a real issue
How would you compare this to the new dagger/palm rand skirt?
the Dagger Palm one is a good mix between these 2 its like a easy rand. Mine is one of the first ones dagger got and I gave feedback on. Its a really good skirt Mine has just not head up very well like the Royal and It actually imploded on me just last week that why I wanted to do the video.
I'll tell you my wife just can't get a rand on her boat without help. The Bungie she can so for her the range is too hard. Most of the women in our club can't get the rand on. So if you are weaker than some or maybe a little injured then Bungie. IR for both, Best brand. six rand was too hard for me to put on and I'm pretty well built so that is the only draw back i know is the difficulty of getting it on.
So true thanks for the feedback buddy
I thought I wanted a bungee for my first skirt but maybe not… that’s why I watching videos like this…. To see what more experience people are using and think
Yeah bungee will work but as you start progressing and running bigger stuff you will be wanting something that’s very reliable
Sometimes my hands so cold, its hard to pull any skirt.
Yes bungee works better in colder weather
Again great video mate
Thanks again!
Rand for the the ones who can roll well and bomb waterfalls and big water - Everyone else - (90% of all kayakers) should be in bungees.
Do not disagree ☝🏻
And here I thought I'd never be persuaded to get a rand...
Yeah, Those Bungee ones will implode I have never had an IR rand implode level Six is supposed to have their new skirt soon can't wait to see what it's like?
Nice Advice ..
Thanks for watching
@@WadeHarrison at first according to the spray skirts I just wanted to write just "sexy."
But didnt want to insult you, I really do have got a strange humor. But good video as always.
@@patrickbusche5665 😂 sexy nothing really insult me I have a good sense of humor on about everything
That chicken of yours like to photo bomb your video, "I can tell you that".
Hahah yeah the golden girls I kinda miss them now
Great video!!! Awesome information 👍🏻👍🏻💦💦💦
Glad you liked it!!