Finally somebody to show the potential of the Bulgarian army to the fullest! You played this game out to perfection. Absolute perfection! Even the way you killed the horses. Well, let's imagine you didn't really make the soldiers kill their horses, you made them just leave the horses in the camp, but the horses died eventually. But on the plus note, this was playing the game to the fullest. I don't know if you even researched heresy, which is important for konnitsi, but Koreans don't really have strong monks. My respect to Hera. Viper, I know I was very unhappy for the World Cup, but I knew you will take it back. Even the best make mistakes. I guess I should watch your games more, because you do seem like an inspiration to me and are amongst the people who inspired me to get back to AOE again after such a long pause. Maybe the last time I played the game was in 2011, no joke. I am trying to get my skills back recently and get the DE soon. Seeing my brethren in action here earns you a new follower. BTW, lots of events in sports and school made me interested in Norway for a while... I think one day I might have to visit the country that spawned Ole Gunnar Solskær, John Arne Riise, Peter Sølberg, Axel Lund Svindal, Ole Einar Børndalen and the one and only Magnus Carlsen.
Konniks Live Only Twice; I found in editor that killing a mounted konnik add score of 26, and after that killing the dismounted konnik add another score 26. it's a bug maybe.
@@dsoltx6246 it's more of the fact that it applies twice, rather than once. Technically making it seem like you've killed two units, rather than one unit that revives after being killed. you're not taking away extra resource or doing extra damage to your enemy's resource pool in killing the dismounted konnik, so the extra score shouldn't really apply there.
Viper, according to my tests you're getting 31.5 f/min with a post-imp SLAV villager (so it should be ~28.3 f/min with a regular vill) on a farm and 25.7 f/min with a post-imp fishing ship from a fish trap. In my test vill was placed on a perfect farm just under the TC and the fishing trap was placed 1 sqm away from the dock.
@@Tyshkevich Are you sure? Maybe the "reincarnated" units have better collision boxes than the dying ones? Maybe the halberdiers would get to walk over the fallen konniks for a second, allowing them to neutralize the trebuchets?
I was thinking the same. But I think then halbs will get the first hit vs dismounted konniks and massing konniks vs halbs will pan out differently than massing dismounted konniks vs halbs. That's my feeling
It’s was a troll masterpiece. The mounted Konniks still would do ok against those halbs, due to numbers and attack. He also could, instead of deleting them all and having to chase the halbs, just run into them and let the halbs kill the horses, getting the dismounted guy in range. So, purely troll strat.
Melee units, especially cavalry, seem to me to stutter a lot when chasing stuff. They move around normally most of the time, but when they need to aggro, they start stuttering, as if they were blocking each other's paths. I thought this had something to do with collision boxes, but old steppe lancers had this issue as well. It's very noticeable when comparing melee cavalry with cav archers.
this mastapiece is good when u need to clean his army fast to deal damage with siege ram or protect full treb to out macro his troops production skills and his instant ressources eco
I often play teamgames with my friends and usually I go knights or elephants, and it's driving me insane how bugged the cavalry vs. archers fights are. Half the time my knights just stand there, looking at the enemy from 2 feet away, lol. And while chasing, their pathing is all over the place while, once again, barely attacking the enemy. If anything, cavalry should excel at chasing down archers. Yet, the opposite is occurring.
WHERE ARE THE FAMOUS KOREAN ONAGERS? CANT SEE ONE IN THAT GAME! WOULD HAVE BEEN QUITE A PICKLE IN MY OPINION. PLAYERS WHO WANT TO WIN ONLY WITH TONS OF TRASH FROM START TO END, MAKE ME LOL! NO BALLS AND DIE WITHOUT HONOR!
This seems to be before the patch, judging from the hp on those konnicks. And boy, oh boy were konnicks a stupid unit before the patch. A cavalry unit that is as strong as paladin (the stat sheet ingame lies, because konnicks end up with +25% attack speed). that drops an infantry unit that is almost on par with champions. Halbs and camels are inefficient because the infantry tears them to pieces, and archers don't work because the cavalry murders them. Other cavalry gets outstatted to hell and back. I don't even know if an elite battle elephant could beat these things straight up, and even if they can you could run circles around them. The only things that could counter them were steppe lancers and kipchaks because those were even more op. Maybe genoise crossbowmen could do something, being good against both cav and infantry. The heavy nerfs were so justified, though we will see whether they were a bit too much in the end.
viper in 4years you gonna massivle decrease in aoe2, i dont wanna jinx you or anything just timetraveling and i saw it. god bless you, i hope u dont read this as a negative, just be aware. thank you, btw love you content and you are massive part of aoe2.
I say you don't have more powerful civ in the world, from Bulgaria. With such a ratio in their population always have been at times less than the enemy, so even here they have made a weak Konik because of the game. Even the Byzantines say that they gave a lot of glory to their heros. This is the war of Troy and Sparta the millennial war. This is a great people here was the center of the world, When Byzantium and Bulgaria were the center of the world The West did not yet know what hot water and a bath were. Bulgaria has always been an ally with Germany Great people, but Jews from the west made it poor.
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"Ok guys, the Czar has ordered y'all to kill your horses in 3..2..1.."
YOU WERE EXPECTING A KONNIK ON A HORSE, BUT IT WAS ME, DIOSMOUNTED KONNIK!
gotta be honest, aoe2 was the last place i was expecting a reference from jojo
@@tvremote9394 you can't escape jojo's references 😈
DIOSMOUTED KONNIK: WRYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
@@hck4339 Halberdier: Gimme a break...
Viper : *deletes konnigs to turn cavalry into infantry*
Viper : My strategical mind beats you in every way possible
now definitely 8/10
37:51 Let go the horse's CHARGEE!!!!!!!
masterpiece after a decade
You know you did good when your mastapis move both surprised and entertained your opponent. :)
37:38
Hera: *VAAAAATTTTT???*
*_37:50_**_ ultimate disrespect_*
absolute power move 11
Finally somebody to show the potential of the Bulgarian army to the fullest! You played this game out to perfection. Absolute perfection! Even the way you killed the horses. Well, let's imagine you didn't really make the soldiers kill their horses, you made them just leave the horses in the camp, but the horses died eventually. But on the plus note, this was playing the game to the fullest. I don't know if you even researched heresy, which is important for konnitsi, but Koreans don't really have strong monks. My respect to Hera.
Viper, I know I was very unhappy for the World Cup, but I knew you will take it back. Even the best make mistakes. I guess I should watch your games more, because you do seem like an inspiration to me and are amongst the people who inspired me to get back to AOE again after such a long pause. Maybe the last time I played the game was in 2011, no joke. I am trying to get my skills back recently and get the DE soon. Seeing my brethren in action here earns you a new follower.
BTW, lots of events in sports and school made me interested in Norway for a while... I think one day I might have to visit the country that spawned Ole Gunnar Solskær, John Arne Riise, Peter Sølberg, Axel Lund Svindal, Ole Einar Børndalen and the one and only Magnus Carlsen.
22:04 "Daut would have gotten that relic"
bruh
I want to see Hera's reaction to this, dude's funny af he must've lost it with laughter
it was actually uploaded earlier than this one lol, look it up it's hilarious
Yeh check his channel :) it’s sick seeing both sides, the guy’s a beast
watch?v=UB925c_s5Xc
Can i get the link or video name
@@MegaFabulous ruclips.net/video/UB925c_s5Xc/видео.html
There is no facecam sadly
Droping castles on the sides of the map and thus controlling the wood was the key point to win this game. And of course Konnik Masterpiece.
Such an ikkonik fight :D
Konniks Live Only Twice;
I found in editor that killing a mounted konnik add score of 26, and after that killing the dismounted konnik add another score 26.
it's a bug maybe.
So fighting against konniks unreasonably inflates your score. Good to know.
@@dsoltx6246 it's more of the fact that it applies twice, rather than once. Technically making it seem like you've killed two units, rather than one unit that revives after being killed. you're not taking away extra resource or doing extra damage to your enemy's resource pool in killing the dismounted konnik, so the extra score shouldn't really apply there.
Who else noticed the moonwalking boar at 3:24? :)
Cool! I had a moonwalking scout or light cavalry once too.
Konnik pronounced Kon-nik, hard "o" like in Oh, or tone (but short), hard "i" like in Single
Hera’s reaction on his stream was epic
ruclips.net/video/UB925c_s5Xc/видео.html
for those who want to see
Is it uploaded somewhere? :D
@@Michal235 watch?v=UB925c_s5Xc
One of the most interesting matches I've seen so far on AoE2
Agree the melee units act weirdly when chasing in this version, its quite hindering.
Viper, according to my tests you're getting 31.5 f/min with a post-imp SLAV villager (so it should be ~28.3 f/min with a regular vill) on a farm and 25.7 f/min with a post-imp fishing ship from a fish trap. In my test vill was placed on a perfect farm just under the TC and the fishing trap was placed 1 sqm away from the dock.
37:50 OH NO! THEY BROUGHT HALBS! QUICK MEN, DEPLOY THE HORSE CYANIDE TABLETS!
Why didnt he just fight with horses?
37:35
Mastapizza
Other than meme effect, why delete the konniks if they could've done some damage to the halbs?
It's purely meme effect. No other reasoning behind it lol
@@Tyshkevich Are you sure? Maybe the "reincarnated" units have better collision boxes than the dying ones? Maybe the halberdiers would get to walk over the fallen konniks for a second, allowing them to neutralize the trebuchets?
I believe after that last patch Bagains applies to dismounted konniks as well.
Came here from Hera’s vid just to watch the Konnik MASTAPIECE from Viper’s POV.
The ultimate jebait to end the decade!
The first ever 5 million IQ play.
@RandomPaperClips You're right, my bad.
Meant to say 6 Millions.
Thanks for catching that!
Wait ... Without the mastapizza konnik delete it would have had the same effect plus a few more hits, right?
I was thinking the same.
But I think then halbs will get the first hit vs dismounted konniks and massing konniks vs halbs will pan out differently than massing dismounted konniks vs halbs.
That's my feeling
It’s was a troll masterpiece. The mounted Konniks still would do ok against those halbs, due to numbers and attack.
He also could, instead of deleting them all and having to chase the halbs, just run into them and let the halbs kill the horses, getting the dismounted guy in range.
So, purely troll strat.
Melee units, especially cavalry, seem to me to stutter a lot when chasing stuff. They move around normally most of the time, but when they need to aggro, they start stuttering, as if they were blocking each other's paths. I thought this had something to do with collision boxes, but old steppe lancers had this issue as well. It's very noticeable when comparing melee cavalry with cav archers.
In DE they added a Frame Delay to most melee unit calculations. When targeting it takes around half a second for them to switch and attack.
@@DuckieMcduck really? that sounds like a serious nerf to melee units. Half a second to retarget is insanely slow!
@@jesuizanmich At least that's what the wikia nerds calculated. Hussars have a delay of almost a whole second
this mastapiece is good when u need to clean his army fast to deal damage with siege ram or protect full treb
to out macro his troops production skills and his instant ressources eco
Masterpiece is totally not worth it lol.
the poor guy getting styled on... he could have at least killed the konniks mounts hisself :'(
That army of the dead at the end 11
Would it not have made more sense to send those Konniks in normally instead of forcing them all to dismount first?
This is why he is silver
It's for style points
Is ghost lake back in the pool of maps for ranking?
"Lets do it..." proceeds to loss no pop at all really 28:48...evil ;) gg
why you play zoomed in instead of zoom out?
What is a masterpiece? Is it something related to a Mastapizza?
an unexpected move with the best viper style and elegance, called mastapizza just for fun. Such a nice play out of ordinary
Bippa Things!
How do Dismounted Konniks fare as Militia line replacement? Are they good against infantries like Pike/Halb? Do they have any special bonus?
how well would samurai do vs them
what mod do you have top right to show which units are in your different groups? looks really useful!
It's not a mod, I'm just replacing the location for the stream. It shows up as normal on my screen behind where the chat and purple is for viewers.
the dismounted konnik wrecked the halbs
Masterpizza
Kinda got scared when you dismounted the konnik, wasn't sure if they would just die 11 wp vipie
What is your settings in game?
He did it! The mad man!
4:36 - I love how you drew that swan while scouting lol.
I'm a simple man. I see a Konnik Mastapiece, I hit like.
wow.. this game was just wow!! Easily my second fav viper game (first being The Regicide game)
Does this count as genocide?
No, because horses are considered to be lesser than.... Wait .....
DauT bobblehead - make it happen.
Very late video. I watched this on Hera a few days ago. Maybe more than a week...
Great game! Full of interesting transitions
this video gave me wood.
Can a wolf be converted by a monk..?
@@krinohs ?
@@krinohs Thx
I often play teamgames with my friends and usually I go knights or elephants, and it's driving me insane how bugged the cavalry vs. archers fights are. Half the time my knights just stand there, looking at the enemy from 2 feet away, lol. And while chasing, their pathing is all over the place while, once again, barely attacking the enemy. If anything, cavalry should excel at chasing down archers. Yet, the opposite is occurring.
You may want to try and employ this stance change trick and see if it helps
ruclips.net/video/LANTkNDWJkY/видео.html
whats a good counter to konniks?
Viper: ranged unique units
about 10 minutes earlier: completely destroys a big war wagon squad with konniks
anyone see Viper's moonwalking boar around 3:30
Here because of the tierlist!
awesome mastapizza!
im new to the masterpiece meme, what exactly is it. i wanna be cool also..
Andrés Maldonado “mastapiece (verb) - the act of deleting like 30 konniks”
But couldn't he just use the cav and let them die and after that use the infantry and win even bigger?
Tho i guess this way is way cooler.
Yeh man, it's all about the style points
Men hvorfor drepe hestene i det hele tatt? De er jo bare ekstra hp basicly
Var ganske sikker på at jeg hadde gamet vunnet, så var mer bare for å ha det litt gøy :)
Ekte mesterverk! God jul:))
The great mastapizza ever!
More of a troll 😂😂😂
ikonnik
Hi twitch! Oh wait, time travel isn't a thing yet.
WHERE ARE THE FAMOUS KOREAN ONAGERS? CANT SEE ONE IN THAT GAME! WOULD HAVE BEEN QUITE A PICKLE IN MY OPINION. PLAYERS WHO WANT TO WIN ONLY WITH TONS OF TRASH FROM START TO END, MAKE ME LOL! NO BALLS AND DIE WITHOUT HONOR!
Man, ı love you, that was funny!
You know you can just let the horses die and then you'd get the infantry anyways
Hera's point of view: ruclips.net/video/UB925c_s5Xc/видео.html
Nice
ruclips.net/video/UhDAXvOEYeQ/видео.html: He said that melee pathing is not good. Fast-forward 3 years, It's now even worst.
It would be great on gaining new Turkish followers if somehow you get a connection with "Jahrein" and have a vs.
jahreini 5 dk da bitirir adam pek zevkli bir karşılaşma olmaz.
@@antagonist3399 o da ayrı bir zevk
2am nz time
This seems to be before the patch, judging from the hp on those konnicks. And boy, oh boy were konnicks a stupid unit before the patch. A cavalry unit that is as strong as paladin (the stat sheet ingame lies, because konnicks end up with +25% attack speed). that drops an infantry unit that is almost on par with champions. Halbs and camels are inefficient because the infantry tears them to pieces, and archers don't work because the cavalry murders them. Other cavalry gets outstatted to hell and back. I don't even know if an elite battle elephant could beat these things straight up, and even if they can you could run circles around them. The only things that could counter them were steppe lancers and kipchaks because those were even more op. Maybe genoise crossbowmen could do something, being good against both cav and infantry. The heavy nerfs were so justified, though we will see whether they were a bit too much in the end.
I was watching hera's stream, then i unfollowed him and start following this dude viper lol
@@krinohs Well said!
viper in 4years you gonna massivle decrease in aoe2, i dont wanna jinx you or anything just timetraveling and i saw it. god bless you, i hope u dont read this as a negative, just be aware. thank you, btw love you content and you are massive part of aoe2.
Deleting them is nonsence in the gamesence if you attack with them on a horse you have way better fight
I say you don't have more powerful civ in the world, from Bulgaria. With such a ratio in their population
always have been
at times less than the enemy,
so even here they have made a weak Konik because of the game.
Even the Byzantines say that they gave a lot of glory to their heros.
This is the war of Troy and Sparta
the millennial war. This is a great people here was the center of the world, When Byzantium and Bulgaria were the center of the world
The West did not yet know what hot water and a bath were. Bulgaria has always been an ally with Germany
Great people, but Jews from the west made it poor.