Excellent vid and well done for working it all out. You know they are going to offer you another sower so you can replace the old one… so that you can save even more money 🤣🤣
Fair play for putting yourself out there. Don't think you need to be worried if people believe you or not. It's your facts and figures and if someone wants to spend the same time and effort to present different results they might be worth listening to then. What gets measured gets managed!
A few people around me this past two years have been mixing their fertiliser in water and spraying it on their fields with the tractor sprayer. I scratched my head at the idea but results were fantastic. I was really impressed. Windy days are a factor and they sprayed it on a damp day to avoid burning.
We got one ourselves a couple years ago. But never had section control enabled on the tractor. I added isobus to one of my gps systems with section control and I'm amazed with the accuracy. We grow vegetables and one field may have 2 or 3 different areas with veg and rigs in between. Im able to map out each plot of vegetables in the one field and spread exactly just in them areas missing the rigs in between. A field could be 4 acres but when you measure the plots of veg and actual area to spread might only be 3.6 acres.. so when you finish the field youve saved that 0.4 acres. And if you add all the other fields up doing the same process. It will quickly add up on saved fertilizer. Definitely recommend a gps system with section control!
At the end of the video it is kind of amazing how huge these spreaders are and how tiny they look at the Massey 8S. Thanks for showing us the financial sites of farming, all the other "Farm -Tubers" I follow, don't show that. And again you showing us, that in order to survive farmers have to start to think like business owners and calculate which branch of their farming operation is profitable and which not. Keep up the good work.
I bought that same sower 5 years ago and its easily the best implement on the farm, i bought collars at the start of this year and i can absolutely say they will bring you a return on investment.
Love all the data and spreadsheets! You mentioned you bought the 8S after a demo too. Might be an interesting video examining the return on investment of buying a new tractor vs running the old fleet, making do, but avoiding the big outlay as tractors are so expensive now.
We bought a similar spreader and yes I would agree with all the savings you have mentioned! What I would add is the time savings also and how much value would you put on your own time 🕰️! Well done on the thorough financial investigation of your farm equipment, very insightful!
As soon as you said you were going to run 2 sowers, I could see that it was a brilliant idea. Being able to accurately spread 2 products is brilliant. But even just spreading nitrogen running both at half rate. Half the number of trips back to the yard to load. Amazone just need to do an option to front mount the PTO models
Great watch.Are you concerned about the motors etc that may be harder to maintain on an item used appox. once a week from March to Sept, and the higher rate of depreciation ?
Great video. Really interesting to get the forensic analysis on this… otherwise it’s just a shiny new spreader with gismos. The only thing you need to change now is the self imposed ban on trying out demo machines… obviously you’ve got a fantastic tractor and fertiliser spreader that you’d have missed out on if they weren’t offered on demo? You’re spending a bit of money but you’ll get it back on savings in the medium term and have worthwhile assets not to mention the time and money savings plus genuine enjoyment while paying for them. Carry on with the demos they’ll open your mind and might surprise you as was the case here. Get yourself small tractor eg MF35/135 to use when shunting implements around… if you hurt your back pushing that fertiliser spread around the shed you’re goosed. Keep up the good work.
Another super video. Love the way you cost these things out. If you could tell me how to justify a fendt I’d be even happier 😜 Seriously though, super stuff 👍
Here in the South, there is a big push to spreading protected urea. What do you think about this? Big issue with some of the products especially when combined with sulphur it didn't fly through the air as it should have and left strips in the field
@@FarmTheoryNI when you do your next video on fertiliser and urea, please outline how much moisture you look for in the forecast and how soon after spreading you look for it to be happy that straight urea is ok
I'm thinking of going to urea in the spring from Can for first cut dressing. How much are you applying in Feb march for a may cutting ? I've no experience with urea. Any advice?
Fair play to you. Definitely get the discussion going. Giving the saving do you think it's maybe cost effective for some folk to give up spreading altogether and just get a contractor to spread with GPS and this type of sower at around £5/acre?
What's the return on investment on that spreader then considering your total savings per year? It's definitely very impressive. So a demo of butterfly mowers is on the cards for next year aye?!😅
New one is used for everything apart from the 4/5 times I use both for the silage application. I would consider changing the old one at some point, but remember half the benefit for me was the double spreader setup
With the current price of only 40 euro per 100 kg i dont even bother with buying a newer spreader for higher efficiency. Still running an 1998 vicon spreader doing still fine for less than 200 euro of parts and its as new. For precision i hire a contractor with a liquid fertiliser, that shit is hitting grass hard.
Love your videos and dont take this the wrong way as your doing everything right but my grandad told me before he passed away dont cost things out lad you wont get up in a morning 😂 he started with nothing and died leaving his family with 600 acres and 3 farms
Machinery is so expensive and farming is so tight. I see contractors spreading for a lot of farmers round me in the last 2 years. I will stick to my 2 bag basic spreader.
@@FarmTheoryNI does your figures not imply that you'd be wise to also update your rear spreader to have section control etc like your front spreader considering that the majority of your fertiliser will go through the rear spreader?
The chemical companies have been brought to heel by The EU Regulator over their manulipation of data concerning the composition of their produce, #VolcanicAsh / QuarryDust, Google 🤔 😠 😡
I thought you spread Urea through the rear spreader and muriate of potash in the front one - as it was at a lower rate. So, you would have saved very little - you'd need section control on rear, not the front?
Do you not hate how when using the last half ton bag usually you end up with more fert in one side than the other with an amazon could they not have a tube or something to even it out 😠
Last 100kg, yes! It is more of an issue on the old one when I was shutting down one side to do the last bits of fields, with section control you can go down the middle
wow who would of thought of that saving for a front end spinner .that's fantastic. I can see maybe your getting the technology bug .can't wait to see what else arives on your farm .robot milkers 😮 to give you more free time to do other things .
U really know ur stuff bud u should be teaching classes as a RUclips thing make some money help u pay ur bills ,the way u explain stuff an idiot could understand trust me I’m one
The figure of £8,400 is meaningless without knowing what total value of fertiliser you spread. Is that a large or a small saving? You need to quote the figure as a percentage of your overall fertiliser spend.
@@JD-kp4dpyou are a hard on him on the fact checking 😅, perhaps it is another financial year and he is using the reducing balance method of depreciation 😂 or other financial chicanry.
Definitely the best RUclips channel at the moment! True facts and figures. Brilliant
Thank you! 🫡
Excellent vid and well done for working it all out. You know they are going to offer you another sower so you can replace the old one… so that you can save even more money 🤣🤣
Fair play for putting yourself out there. Don't think you need to be worried if people believe you or not. It's your facts and figures and if someone wants to spend the same time and effort to present different results they might be worth listening to then. What gets measured gets managed!
A few people around me this past two years have been mixing their fertiliser in water and spraying it on their fields with the tractor sprayer. I scratched my head at the idea but results were fantastic. I was really impressed. Windy days are a factor and they sprayed it on a damp day to avoid burning.
We got one ourselves a couple years ago. But never had section control enabled on the tractor. I added isobus to one of my gps systems with section control and I'm amazed with the accuracy. We grow vegetables and one field may have 2 or 3 different areas with veg and rigs in between. Im able to map out each plot of vegetables in the one field and spread exactly just in them areas missing the rigs in between.
A field could be 4 acres but when you measure the plots of veg and actual area to spread might only be 3.6 acres.. so when you finish the field youve saved that 0.4 acres. And if you add all the other fields up doing the same process. It will quickly add up on saved fertilizer. Definitely recommend a gps system with section control!
At the end of the video it is kind of amazing how huge these spreaders are and how tiny they look at the Massey 8S. Thanks for showing us the financial sites of farming, all the other "Farm -Tubers" I follow, don't show that. And again you showing us, that in order to survive farmers have to start to think like business owners and calculate which branch of their farming operation is profitable and which not.
Keep up the good work.
I bought that same sower 5 years ago and its easily the best implement on the farm, i bought collars at the start of this year and i can absolutely say they will bring you a return on investment.
Love all the data and spreadsheets! You mentioned you bought the 8S after a demo too. Might be an interesting video examining the return on investment of buying a new tractor vs running the old fleet, making do, but avoiding the big outlay as tractors are so expensive now.
We bought a similar spreader and yes I would agree with all the savings you have mentioned! What I would add is the time savings also and how much value would you put on your own time 🕰️!
Well done on the thorough financial investigation of your farm equipment, very insightful!
Your opinion matters a lot! Really surprised the difference it made!
You are a business man farming
Which is most unusual
Well done
Very intresting
brilliant video,, very clever man thanks for all the work you put into these videos
As soon as you said you were going to run 2 sowers, I could see that it was a brilliant idea. Being able to accurately spread 2 products is brilliant. But even just spreading nitrogen running both at half rate. Half the number of trips back to the yard to load. Amazone just need to do an option to front mount the PTO models
Father Phil knows the Masseys inside out, a genius
Great honest video.
Great watch.Are you concerned about the motors etc that may be harder to maintain on an item used appox. once a week from March to Sept, and the higher rate of depreciation ?
You definitely will see a return on collars watching your breeding video it was clear as day you would benefit hugely
Probably yes
Great video. Really interesting to get the forensic analysis on this… otherwise it’s just a shiny new spreader with gismos. The only thing you need to change now is the self imposed ban on trying out demo machines… obviously you’ve got a fantastic tractor and fertiliser spreader that you’d have missed out on if they weren’t offered on demo? You’re spending a bit of money but you’ll get it back on savings in the medium term and have worthwhile assets not to mention the time and money savings plus genuine enjoyment while paying for them. Carry on with the demos they’ll open your mind and might surprise you as was the case here. Get yourself small tractor eg MF35/135 to use when shunting implements around… if you hurt your back pushing that fertiliser spread around the shed you’re goosed. Keep up the good work.
Another super video. Love the way you cost these things out. If you could tell me how to justify a fendt I’d be even happier 😜 Seriously though, super stuff 👍
Thank you! 😅
Here in the South, there is a big push to spreading protected urea. What do you think about this? Big issue with some of the products especially when combined with sulphur it didn't fly through the air as it should have and left strips in the field
That's why you can't use blends, they separate mid flight. Protected urea is such a waste of money, must do a video on it again.
@@FarmTheoryNI please do. It is being pushed very hard here
@@FarmTheoryNI when you do your next video on fertiliser and urea, please outline how much moisture you look for in the forecast and how soon after spreading you look for it to be happy that straight urea is ok
Did u run hoses from the back power beyond so?
Have you seen an average lower fertiliser input for the year as a result? Was it noticeable in the yard?
I'm thinking of going to urea in the spring from Can for first cut dressing. How much are you applying in Feb march for a may cutting ? I've no experience with urea. Any advice?
Hey Andrew
Would you also be saving in diesel with not having to travel the field as much with the accuracy, might be small but still savings
Fair play to you. Definitely get the discussion going. Giving the saving do you think it's maybe cost effective for some folk to give up spreading altogether and just get a contractor to spread with GPS and this type of sower at around £5/acre?
Great vid, thanks Andy
Glad you enjoyed it
Tremendous Video Andrew. If you don't measure it you can't manage it - or PAY FOR IT. Well thought out calculations prove tech can pay for you.
What's the return on investment on that spreader then considering your total savings per year? It's definitely very impressive. So a demo of butterfly mowers is on the cards for next year aye?!😅
Will you operate the new spreader as a rear mounted spreader or as a front mounted spreader, in which case will you replace the rear spreader?
New one is used for everything apart from the 4/5 times I use both for the silage application. I would consider changing the old one at some point, but remember half the benefit for me was the double spreader setup
Do you plan on continuing spreading with 2 sowers on the tractor?
Yes, 100% best thing about it.
With the current price of only 40 euro per 100 kg i dont even bother with buying a newer spreader for higher efficiency. Still running an 1998 vicon spreader doing still fine for less than 200 euro of parts and its as new. For precision i hire a contractor with a liquid fertiliser, that shit is hitting grass hard.
Good system! I definitely want to do something with liquid fert in the future.
What is the monthly/ yearly payment/installment cost
Or did you pay cash for it?
Love your videos and dont take this the wrong way as your doing everything right but my grandad told me before he passed away dont cost things out lad you wont get up in a morning 😂 he started with nothing and died leaving his family with 600 acres and 3 farms
my father always said: first get the money then buy stuff not the other way around.
I actually agree. I do my figures but they don't make the decision. My milking parlour is a great example of that! 😅
Machinery is so expensive and farming is so tight. I see contractors spreading for a lot of farmers round me in the last 2 years. I will stick to my 2 bag basic spreader.
How many tons of fertilizer do ya think ya put through that new spreader? to save that £8400
We used just over 100t, although that was mostly expensive fertilizers like urea or mop
@@FarmTheoryNI does your figures not imply that you'd be wise to also update your rear spreader to have section control etc like your front spreader considering that the majority of your fertiliser will go through the rear spreader?
The chemical companies have been brought to heel by The EU Regulator over their manulipation of data concerning the composition of their produce,
#VolcanicAsh /
QuarryDust,
Google
🤔 😠 😡
What was the cost of the spreader?
High end of £20k
@@FarmTheoryNIoof you would want good savings then
@@ryandoak08so if it lasts 3 years it will have paid for itself at £8400 a year. Even if 4 years that is a pretty good Return on Investment.
great video, where you based?
Omagh
I thought you spread Urea through the rear spreader and muriate of potash in the front one - as it was at a lower rate. So, you would have saved very little - you'd need section control on rear, not the front?
I divided the saving by 2/3 for that reason. I used both only after each silage cut. The straights comparison was only for them 4 applications.
Do you not spread any phosphorus? Polysulfate is purely potash, sulphur, calcium and magnesium? Do you have another source of phosphorus?
I do, but only very little. Slurry provide enough to almost balance my soil indexes.
Do you not hate how when using the last half ton bag usually you end up with more fert in one side than the other with an amazon could they not have a tube or something to even it out 😠
Last 100kg, yes! It is more of an issue on the old one when I was shutting down one side to do the last bits of fields, with section control you can go down the middle
What does MOP mean
It's potassium. 0:0:60
@@FarmTheoryNI thx
Good stuff
wow who would of thought of that saving for a front end spinner .that's fantastic. I can see maybe your getting the technology bug .can't wait to see what else arives on your farm .robot milkers 😮 to give you more free time to do other things .
Problem now is you need to get another one to get true benefit of dual mounted spreaders 😂
Yeah, I know... 😅
You should buy another one for the back😂😂
Do the cost savings mean it might make sense to upgrade your old spreader too and run two new ones?
Only used both 4 times although that was over half the total tonnage.
What about the other demo you have in the yard atm ? 😂
.... I know.... 🤦 Praying it doesn't make much difference
U really know ur stuff bud u should be teaching classes as a RUclips thing make some money help u pay ur bills ,the way u explain stuff an idiot could understand trust me I’m one
The figure of £8,400 is meaningless without knowing what total value of fertiliser you spread.
Is that a large or a small saving? You need to quote the figure as a percentage of your overall fertiliser spend.
Fair point. £40k of fert.
So you have your other spreader traded in for a second one 🤣
Not yet. 😅 Still a 3-4 year return on investment
It's NOT worth the money for only spreading a few acres. You would need to be spreading over 2000 acres to make it pay.
U be able to buy the sauna now and not taking ur brothers....😂
I need to do that! 😅
@@FarmTheoryNI that could make u money as well rent it out for hen parties....🤔
Given he reckons her tractor depreciates at 100pound an hour, his figuree need to be taken with a pinch or salt
£80/hr Inc fuel lifting silage and labour!
Go back to your video how much does it cost to make 1 tonne of silage video.... "100pound an hour capital depreciation on the 8s"
@@JD-kp4dpyou are a hard on him on the fact checking 😅, perhaps it is another financial year and he is using the reducing balance method of depreciation 😂 or other financial chicanry.