disclaimer I can't see spells like reflect/ground without bigdebuffs because im handicapped by my addons so there's a lot of noob stuff going on in this vid
10.0 SP had hope. After the rework they fd it completely. Low meaningless damage, MD basically removed, cant purge or insta oom, no mobility but you need to be meele to land your major cc, hard casting spells dont feel impactful at all, like its a joke actually, but meanwhile you see mage or ele jump around press one button and outperform SP. Removing Damnation in this pve meta was the biggest problem. They should have given us the ability back, in choise note for shadow crash, they need to fix the whole SP talent tree, especially the bottom is just horrible. All those 2 point talents are so badly designed and often dependent in a weird way to each other. Tierset season 2 with shadow word: death was good, could have expended on that more to give us some potent insta cast damage. Many options, but SP PvP is there least concern
Void eruption and da should instant and the dispel for vt should fear the healer and give you an absorb or hot for the remaining amount of damage it would have done.
@@StahpSP I’ve been playing sp since wod. I can’t stand the way the spec plays anymore. It’s bad when I got play disc and do the same amount of damage and feel like I’m doing something and the burst actually hurts.
Even right now it's quite painful with 0 mobility so you are basically a melee magnet and heavily rely on good setup and help from team members. Really frustrating to play
Not gonna lie, the Archon/MF:I build is pretty fun - right now since all we have are bgs/wpvp. I can see this being shut down super easily in arena by any team with half a brain. If anything, the play might be to go back to DF S3/4 style of having mind spike and taking advantage of the Shadowfrost spell school. Been trying DA/Spike as voidweaver and it's decent, have you given something like this a try?
Remember in Legion I could aoe dot literally everyone and be oppressive, in BFA I could do the same but even more DOT damage could literally aoe farm an epic BG if no rogues stopped me. In SL all changed and I couldn't do shit anymore could just omegameme void volley x2 on people, would atleast still do some damage but literally gimped dot damage. Then DF comes and my dots are wet noodles, everything is about big unmanagable CDs flying everywhere game is literally autopilot class balance, can't kite, cant chase, takes 50 hours to kill one guy, sw:p literally does negative damage etc. So what's my experience gonna be in TWW, looks just like DF to me, a bit good with entropic rift to control people stacking on me but that's it XD. Also the entire prospect of literally AOE wiping an entire screen with Halo might look good on paper but that's not what I wanna do. Problem with actually buffing shadows dot damage is that its no longer about automatic class balance, it's about minmaxing ranging and preemptively and actively kiting/pushing forward, it's about actual skill and not about pressing big CDs to autoplay the game, it's designed for noobs to feel good about PVPing = more subscribers = more money. Was trying to be "happy" with shadow but honestly after 15+ years of shadow I'm probably rerolling into something that is actually viable XD. TL;DR, Maybe I'm wrong, I don't really think I am but TWW looks like a half-assed booster pack for DF(WoW2.0).
i legit had the same reaction as you had int he end and throughout the video. Mind blast and void torrent doing 300k hits when warlock 0.2sec cast any spell and instants spawns 3M damage on you back to back. Yeah think tww SP is a big pass
Looks like sp is gonna need another rework LOL, I’ve mained lock for many years but was thinking sp alt, thank you for saving me from a rage induced aneurysm stahp.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE STAHP!!! USHER US INTO THE NEW ERA OF THE OLD ERA OF NECROLORD GAMING! no longer will we wait our turn to pop off in the arena. we want to pump NOW SP design when dragonflight first launched was so fun.. Damnation to get dots out, dots proccing instant mind blasts and mind spikes, our cd was instant cast. Felt like mop sp but even better. But of course we need to be re designed every season xD
i started playing wow in warth and mained shadow and gave up playing it in shadowlands. you have to play until your fingers are bleeding to get out done or keep up with other classes that have it much easier. look how easy it is as aff lock to get dots out and how much stronger they are. and if you dispel a aff locks dots you can lose half your hp in one go. i only play shadow in bg's now but dont really play priest but now days.
It's hilarious that Phantasm doesn't break roots. Must be some major rocketscientists at Blizzard. Wait, lemme use my 2MIN MD to dispel a 4 second instant root on myself, but I guess Blizzard's logic is that I should PREFADE the root kekw.
Nah, SP is pretty much dead spec in pvp in TWW. All melees will stomp you, pretty much all casters have insta casts while sp needs to hard cast. The main source of dmg is cast time void torrent, its just a joke. And the damage wise - not even close to other specs. Not viable in pvp
@@StahpSP Hunter, WW, Mage and boomkin. Around your mmr on the beta. I would put SP at #2 behind mage. SV Hunter is just dog shit design, mm Hunter is ok but undertuned, WW is the same and so easy to shut down/kite. Boomkin is a lot squishier now and has to cast wrath a good bit. Fire mage isn’t in a good spot. But frost and arcane is looking good. I feel like you got a bad lobby because locks are gods rn too I think haha.
@@StahpSP I also think SP felt the hardest to play without addons (or my macros working) because I can’t track kicks. But I hope you fight the good fight man. I love your content and I think I’m gona main it this szn over hunter
Sigh it's really sad to see our favorite spec like this. And it's so fking funny cause spriest is heavily nerfed in pvp. Sw:p hurts nothing. VT does all the work and it's only topping the charts cause we neither can cast stuff or the spells we cast is obscenely weak, which, unsurprisingly, both are true. Our spender, DP, only becomes a threat when you triple cast it on the same target, but again, how the hell are you supposed to accumulate insanity if everything u do is easily interruptable? Voidweaver mechanic is a joke rn. That rift is barely doing dmg making it a poor pseudo dot and oh boi I cant see monks or any other mobile classes standing on it. It's just ridiculous. They gave spriests so many spell triggers depended upon our dots while making our dots so easily dispelled that I can't really understand why they did that. Nobody will run those SA talents. People are not running MD talent. Idol of N'Zoth deals negative dmg outside M+. Idol of Yoggy takes eternity to build up, and Y'shaarj is just there, doing what again? It's really sad to see this.
It feels like any caster dont need to cast but they all have a cast protection. We are the only caster who needs to stand for so man secounds to cast and have nothing to hit a safe cast. But actually our tree is just for pve it feels. No movement, no dmg, close to none instand cast, no spellreflect, our dot dmg is insane, 1percent after 10 ticks on the beta😅 and we need to cast the "burst" And the most boring thing, i will stay on this shit😂
There's no way they are actually testing this stuff themselves.. was really hoping shadow might get a bit of love in tww but it's looking disappointing again yay 😒
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short answer : no
long answer : no dmg, nerf on our best utility CD and Cast time, no mobility (like always), only caster who have to cast ^^
I love sp but had to go ele shaman for the shmovement also leveling boomkin
@@WhiteXcellence Im going with ele just bc I like the class fantasy more, they're both good atm
@@princessmagilou i like it alot too and with ghost wolf and the leap thingie it's just what i need and he can heal
They removed all procs after DF season 1, It was nice to just casualy walk while "casting" instant cast abilities...
I'm sure supatease will have a video saying how OP/s tier shadow is any second now
his clickbaits are kinda getting out of hand at this point, he glazing every class as soon as it gets 5% dmg buff like cmon bruh
lmfaoo 😤
Lmfao this just sent me over the edge 😂😂😂😂
he and venruki loves place dk rogue and sp to S tier
disclaimer I can't see spells like reflect/ground without bigdebuffs because im handicapped by my addons so there's a lot of noob stuff going on in this vid
10.0 SP had hope. After the rework they fd it completely. Low meaningless damage, MD basically removed, cant purge or insta oom, no mobility but you need to be meele to land your major cc, hard casting spells dont feel impactful at all, like its a joke actually, but meanwhile you see mage or ele jump around press one button and outperform SP.
Removing Damnation in this pve meta was the biggest problem. They should have given us the ability back, in choise note for shadow crash, they need to fix the whole SP talent tree, especially the bottom is just horrible. All those 2 point talents are so badly designed and often dependent in a weird way to each other.
Tierset season 2 with shadow word: death was good, could have expended on that more to give us some potent insta cast damage.
Many options, but SP PvP is there least concern
I agree with this sentiment
Halo is exactly how Arcane Surge and Arcane has felt for the last 15 years. Frost has had DB for a while now btw.
Wish VT dispel protection would take a chunk of the dispeller's mana instead. Incredibly frustrating to have dots constantly dispelled all game.
Whats even worse is that this was a full caster arena. Now imagine shaman dk fury. Gruesome Thought
Lol yeah i had a double fury war lobby that was hell on earth
Imagine DK/Warr/Fistweaver >
Void eruption and da should instant and the dispel for vt should fear the healer and give you an absorb or hot for the remaining amount of damage it would have done.
facts
@@StahpSP I’ve been playing sp since wod. I can’t stand the way the spec plays anymore. It’s bad when I got play disc and do the same amount of damage and feel like I’m doing something and the burst actually hurts.
That looks absolute hell just like I imagined. Can't imagine "playing" this in a melee lobby every other game.
yeah, and 90% of time, it's 3 melee, and me as only one caster ( SP, always focus ) it's just so annoying.
@@SamzSongz yea i'm done with that. Switching from casters to DK next season. Only caster i would touch is my ele because of the endless cc.
Even right now it's quite painful with 0 mobility so you are basically a melee magnet and heavily rely on good setup and help from team members. Really frustrating to play
Remember when halo was instant and your damage was only dependent on getting off a vt and some mind blasts?
Pepperidge farm remembers
Not gonna lie, the Archon/MF:I build is pretty fun - right now since all we have are bgs/wpvp. I can see this being shut down super easily in arena by any team with half a brain. If anything, the play might be to go back to DF S3/4 style of having mind spike and taking advantage of the Shadowfrost spell school. Been trying DA/Spike as voidweaver and it's decent, have you given something like this a try?
havent tried DA as voidweaver yet ill give it a go
@@StahpSP moving while torrenting has been feeling way better than spamming jukes just to get halo out as archon lol
#EmbracetheShadow
Remember in Legion I could aoe dot literally everyone and be oppressive, in BFA I could do the same but even more DOT damage could literally aoe farm an epic BG if no rogues stopped me. In SL all changed and I couldn't do shit anymore could just omegameme void volley x2 on people, would atleast still do some damage but literally gimped dot damage.
Then DF comes and my dots are wet noodles, everything is about big unmanagable CDs flying everywhere game is literally autopilot class balance, can't kite, cant chase, takes 50 hours to kill one guy, sw:p literally does negative damage etc.
So what's my experience gonna be in TWW, looks just like DF to me, a bit good with entropic rift to control people stacking on me but that's it XD.
Also the entire prospect of literally AOE wiping an entire screen with Halo might look good on paper but that's not what I wanna do.
Problem with actually buffing shadows dot damage is that its no longer about automatic class balance, it's about minmaxing ranging and preemptively and actively kiting/pushing forward, it's about actual skill and not about pressing big CDs to autoplay the game, it's designed for noobs to feel good about PVPing = more subscribers = more money.
Was trying to be "happy" with shadow but honestly after 15+ years of shadow I'm probably rerolling into something that is actually viable XD.
TL;DR,
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't really think I am but TWW looks like a half-assed booster pack for DF(WoW2.0).
i legit had the same reaction as you had int he end and throughout the video. Mind blast and void torrent doing 300k hits when warlock 0.2sec cast any spell and instants spawns 3M damage on you back to back. Yeah think tww SP is a big pass
Keep up the content man :)
I would love to have shadowish healing on a priest, warlock and dk or dh for a dark team. Dark should be a thing.
Time for FDK games.. For the lore! . Sp will sure get a buff...
it seems busted to me sp need some nerfs maybe 100% nerf all abiltys so we dont have to play the spec
Will mindblast do more than 40k?
I'd buy the game if mind blasts hit for about 2mil of a 7mil health pool without CDs.
Evocation, Arcane Surge? :D
Looks like sp is gonna need another rework LOL, I’ve mained lock for many years but was thinking sp alt, thank you for saving me from a rage induced aneurysm stahp.
Yeah I don’t see them reworking sp at all aside from numbers tuning, even if our spells did more damage the gameplay would still feel miserable
Why do u play Archeon, if everyone says that Voidweaver is op ?
Tried both they both kinds suck equally
I was so excited for my shadow priest but looks like I'll have to retire her until they do a buttload of changes or an overhaul
ye this shit kinda sucks
think imma hang up my shadow... time to reroll ELE!
Lets just wait for wizk to figure it out
amen
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE STAHP!!! USHER US INTO THE NEW ERA OF THE OLD ERA OF NECROLORD GAMING!
no longer will we wait our turn to pop off in the arena. we want to pump NOW
SP design when dragonflight first launched was so fun.. Damnation to get dots out, dots proccing instant mind blasts and mind spikes, our cd was instant cast. Felt like mop sp but even better. But of course we need to be re designed every season xD
All my homies want instant mind spike procs and DA again
i started playing wow in warth and mained shadow and gave up playing it in shadowlands. you have to play until your fingers are bleeding to get out done or keep up with other classes that have it much easier. look how easy it is as aff lock to get dots out and how much stronger they are. and if you dispel a aff locks dots you can lose half your hp in one go. i only play shadow in bg's now but dont really play priest but now days.
Frost mage does damage for once aww
i play a ton of mage on cata im for the people
Ice lance hots harder then chaos bolt btw
@@StahpSP ❤️
@@poetofnoreturn7708 idk about that
@@wkndxotv ice lance hits 1 mil, chaos bolt without stacks hits for 800k
You cant reroll for TWW?
can 4 sure
This is so sad to see and im was so excited fort tww...
why would you be excited? its literally shadowlands 3
@@anthonysteinervhow do you figure?
It was my main until now.
It's hilarious that Phantasm doesn't break roots. Must be some major rocketscientists at Blizzard. Wait, lemme use my 2MIN MD to dispel a 4 second instant root on myself, but I guess Blizzard's logic is that I should PREFADE the root kekw.
Feels bad man
Nah, SP is pretty much dead spec in pvp in TWW. All melees will stomp you, pretty much all casters have insta casts while sp needs to hard cast. The main source of dmg is cast time void torrent, its just a joke. And the damage wise - not even close to other specs. Not viable in pvp
Sewp Alex
Yo
NGL SP feels a lot better than a lot of other specs I played on the beta. I agree that Archon is so easy to stop with Halo and feels bad.
curious as to what other specs u played?
@@StahpSP Hunter, WW, Mage and boomkin. Around your mmr on the beta. I would put SP at #2 behind mage. SV Hunter is just dog shit design, mm Hunter is ok but undertuned, WW is the same and so easy to shut down/kite. Boomkin is a lot squishier now and has to cast wrath a good bit. Fire mage isn’t in a good spot. But frost and arcane is looking good. I feel like you got a bad lobby because locks are gods rn too I think haha.
@@StahpSP I also think SP felt the hardest to play without addons (or my macros working) because I can’t track kicks. But I hope you fight the good fight man. I love your content and I think I’m gona main it this szn over hunter
Sigh it's really sad to see our favorite spec like this. And it's so fking funny cause spriest is heavily nerfed in pvp. Sw:p hurts nothing. VT does all the work and it's only topping the charts cause we neither can cast stuff or the spells we cast is obscenely weak, which, unsurprisingly, both are true. Our spender, DP, only becomes a threat when you triple cast it on the same target, but again, how the hell are you supposed to accumulate insanity if everything u do is easily interruptable? Voidweaver mechanic is a joke rn. That rift is barely doing dmg making it a poor pseudo dot and oh boi I cant see monks or any other mobile classes standing on it. It's just ridiculous. They gave spriests so many spell triggers depended upon our dots while making our dots so easily dispelled that I can't really understand why they did that. Nobody will run those SA talents. People are not running MD talent. Idol of N'Zoth deals negative dmg outside M+. Idol of Yoggy takes eternity to build up, and Y'shaarj is just there, doing what again? It's really sad to see this.
It feels like any caster dont need to cast but they all have a cast protection.
We are the only caster who needs to stand for so man secounds to cast and have nothing to hit a safe cast.
But actually our tree is just for pve it feels.
No movement, no dmg, close to none instand cast, no spellreflect, our dot dmg is insane, 1percent after 10 ticks on the beta😅 and we need to cast the "burst"
And the most boring thing, i will stay on this shit😂
There's no way they are actually testing this stuff themselves.. was really hoping shadow might get a bit of love in tww but it's looking disappointing again yay 😒
Waitt we just got some buffs tho! Gonna test tn for a new vid tmw 😂
It’s a destro angle
ye destro seems solid
season 1 df was the best sp and they just fcked it up AGAIN....
Damn we had our 3 weeks of fun…
Rather play my frost dk and clap kids.. sp feels like a wet noodle
Dude what about arcane mage. Needs to cast for big cd too so idk man seems like a you prob
Wouldn’t mind casting either if I had 40 blinks
Shadow priest good or bad? Yes
this game looks horrible
Bro u play as if u have already lost bevor it even starts
i think this was my 2nd or 3rd shuffle i was definitely a little depressed..