Table Saw Safety and Techniques

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @312luisr
    @312luisr Год назад +46

    You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ruclips.net/user/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.

  • @stansbruv3169
    @stansbruv3169 2 года назад +5

    Wow. That body parts recover cooler is the ultimate safety reminder. I hope that’s stored front and center for everyone to see when they enter and exit your shop. What a great idea. Thanks for making and sharing this content.

  • @kalleklp7291
    @kalleklp7291 5 лет назад +2

    This video should be mandatory for every new woodworker that buys a table saw. No nonsense just facts and a detailed explanation on what to do and why.

  • @coolkid8865
    @coolkid8865 8 лет назад +89

    Probably one of the best videos on shop safety and safe table saw technique I have ever seen, Thank you!

  • @thomashannibal
    @thomashannibal 4 года назад +5

    A very educational video. You get a bunch of very useful advices how to work with the table saw in a good way. I'm new to table sawing, so I really appreciate this video. Made me a lot more confident in working with my newly purchased saw.

  • @johnd942
    @johnd942 2 года назад +3

    Enormously informative! The 'body-part' recovery box, although unpleasant, was a taste of reality that we have to accept. You clearly are a man that cares about his staff. Kudos for a well presented safety video!

  • @TheTravelerMan
    @TheTravelerMan 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you for creating this tutorial. I bought a table saw 30+ years after high school shop class and I know how important safety is. It helped refresh and improve my wood working skills.

  • @OmahcronOmni
    @OmahcronOmni 2 года назад +1

    I have been looking to purchase a mitre saw or a table saw and part of my research has been watching these safety videos about them. This is by far the best video I have seen so far on using a table saw, thank you for taking so much time care in explaining these important techniques.

  • @jamesjoyner711
    @jamesjoyner711 8 лет назад +32

    Humble pie!!! I just set up my own shop recently here in Australia and wish I'd have watched this video before I started using my newly bought Table saw!!! I got away lightly! I just can't believe you can purchase one of these pieces of machinery without a simple certificate or at least a compulsory video viewing, like this one! I got away with all my fingers (amazingly!!!). Just a ripped off nail and nail bed, two massive chunks of flesh from two other fingers and a graft from my upper forearm to repair the damage! I consider myself more than lucky!
    Thank you very much for such a comprehensive safety video... I've been making notes all the way through and feel very fortunate to have seen this video!!! Thanks again, James

  • @jayross6588
    @jayross6588 6 лет назад +7

    After watching your video, I developed a very high level of respect for you and what you do. You really seem like a great teacher. I like how you take it a step further and explain why you do this or dont do that. When teaching beginners anything, I feel it is important to cover each task in detail. When you are talking about everything, you seem to know the next question someone might have regarding the info you are covering. Good job, keep up the good work. Definitely the best video I have seen on a table saw so far.

  • @davidthayer9450
    @davidthayer9450 4 года назад +1

    I've been using a table saw for years but still learned valuable information. I immediately sent the link to my son who just purchased his first saw. I believe it will save us both learning lessons the hard way. Thank you so much.

  • @markharris5771
    @markharris5771 6 лет назад +9

    I’ve only had my saw a week and I’m watching as many safety video as possible, this is definitely one of the better ones. I agree with those that say video like this should be compulsory viewing.

    • @jpvoodoo5522
      @jpvoodoo5522 4 года назад

      Yup, there should be a certification.

  • @oldschoolmtb
    @oldschoolmtb Год назад

    Thank you so much for this video and the safety practices. I have a healthy fear of power tools, especially table saws. After over 20 years of making do without, I finally odered one and now doing my homework ahead of time. I really like your push tools and will make them for myself. Thank you!

  • @georgevalenzuela2489
    @georgevalenzuela2489 3 года назад +1

    Definitely one of the best safety videos I’ve seen! Thanks for sharing! God bless!

  • @toddlavigne6441
    @toddlavigne6441 4 года назад +1

    excellent video..I just started using a table saw and now feel much safer with this information....thank you

  • @jimallen6197
    @jimallen6197 3 года назад +2

    Good straight forward, common sense safety techniques. A must to learn and remember at all times. Great video.

  • @joedubya08
    @joedubya08 8 лет назад +8

    Thank you Sir for this video. Being the first major tool in my shop, I came here looking for ways to cross cut on a table saw. Thank you for including that non-ideal situation in your teaching: you definitely saved me from making one or two major safety mistakes.

    • @kennyc388
      @kennyc388 7 лет назад

      Joseph, I use a crosscut sled when possible and at times use my DIY circular saw zero clearance guide There are many good YT videos that show these easily made jigs. They save cutting and lay out time and make your life easier and safer. Good luck, stay safe by PAYING ATTENTION!

  • @giseliapereira777
    @giseliapereira777 7 лет назад +4

    Great video! I'm only 5'1" tall and I had a close call leaning over an unprotected blade. Ignorance can be deadly. Now I've made it a point to learn how to use the equipment safely before I start any project. Thank you, I've learned so much.

  • @peterbradbury1592
    @peterbradbury1592 Год назад

    I’ve just watched this brilliant video, and it’s just reminded me of all of the Safety things you’ve gone through. Thanks for the memories, we all to be reminded of the Saw Table dangers from time to time. Thanks

  • @SoCalKevin
    @SoCalKevin 2 года назад +1

    Wow this was a really great video! Thanks for all the detailed information!

  • @Inhalin1514
    @Inhalin1514 7 лет назад +24

    This video should come with all table saws..good stuff!

  • @brisbees3729
    @brisbees3729 6 лет назад +3

    Common sense is not enough when the things you would not normally consider can cost you fingers. Very good safety video.

  • @TuanBui-yp7oz
    @TuanBui-yp7oz 3 года назад +3

    watching safety vids cuz i like to do that every now and again on a tool ill be be using a lot for a project and this guy has produced an excellent vid! safety is always the number one thot regardless of experience with tools and this is the perfect refresher safety vid, no matter the level of table saw experience!! great job sir!

  • @Flyboy9305
    @Flyboy9305 4 года назад +1

    Awesome video! Great to hear a good walk through on the proper safety practices.

  • @garydietzel6730
    @garydietzel6730 5 лет назад +2

    This is a great learning and refresher video for the table saw. Even using one for years we have a tendency to forget some safety factors and take short cuts which can end up with bad results. I've been scared several times with my table saw to make you sit down, catch your breath and think about what you did. I also do dry runs at times to be sure I'll be safe from the blade.

  • @AnalogAtelier
    @AnalogAtelier 6 лет назад +1

    Seriously great video. Seriously great shop setup. I wish more work places that expect you to use a table saw had such thorough training.

  • @inerttt
    @inerttt 5 лет назад +5

    Best table saw video I’ve ever seen.

  • @darrylb4048
    @darrylb4048 7 лет назад +1

    EXCELLENT. I must say, that this is a must for all those folks starting out or a good renewal for all. I was trained professionally years ago but things evolve and your video covers some of that evolution.

  • @condor5635
    @condor5635 7 лет назад +2

    Awesome video! Only point I thought worth mentioning is ensuring your fence is parallel to the blade. Having it not parallel can cause safety problems as well. I must say your blade looks like it has lost most of its teflon coating which would cause some additional friction. Great video-a must view for table saw operators. Thank you

  • @RobertJones-pr9rh
    @RobertJones-pr9rh 2 года назад

    A brilliant safety video very clearly explained, what a workshop !

  • @TheJmh19
    @TheJmh19 6 лет назад

    thanks for doing this video. I am thinking about buying a Table saw and I admit I am a little nervous. Videos like these go a long way to help a newbie such as myself.

  • @dlamb2840
    @dlamb2840 6 лет назад +1

    Superb safety upload.
    Clear explanation of every danger, and more importantly the things that create the danger!
    Thanks for uploading.

  • @urutuc
    @urutuc 4 года назад +2

    Brilliant vid ! The Body Part Box is actually no joke and apart from its first aid utility it has a huge appealing to self awareness of all employees ! ... and then its funny as it gets . I don´t even have a table saw and I am already on my toes ! LOL Well done !

  • @zippitydoowopjoe
    @zippitydoowopjoe 6 лет назад +5

    Excellent video! Don't forget, no loose clothing and roll up your sleeves when using a table saw!

    • @crissyd3836
      @crissyd3836 6 лет назад +2

      zippitydoowop and put your hair up 😉 I wear mine in a braid or bun anytime I'm working with any power tool!

  • @randymartinez8304
    @randymartinez8304 2 года назад +1

    Time stop 11:36 the rip fence was adjusted while the blade was running. Never make adjustments with the machine on!

  • @billcoley8520
    @billcoley8520 3 года назад

    GEEZE LOUISE WHAT A SET UP. TALKING ABOUT THE STOP BUTTON I CAN NEVER SEEM TO FIND MY PUSH ON PUSH OFF BUTTON. IM GOING TO MOVE IT TOMORROW.

  • @ISOPOINTQCS
    @ISOPOINTQCS 2 года назад

    Just in time which I build a table saw, but was not aware of the risks.Thank you !

  • @MDFAN4389
    @MDFAN4389 6 лет назад +1

    WHAT A GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this took me all the way back to highschool shop class, and re-learned a lot of points that I had forgotten about. I am just getting back into woodworking, and loved this video as a great refresher.

  • @rockymanify
    @rockymanify 5 лет назад

    This is an incredible resource for us new wood workers. I wish this gentleman made more instructional videos. Thank you so much

  • @johndoe2011able
    @johndoe2011able 6 лет назад +1

    Truly one of the best table saw safety videos that I have seen! Job well done! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the community :)

  • @kennyc388
    @kennyc388 7 лет назад +4

    Beautiful outfeed! Looks like a possibility for Thanksgiving dinner. Very nice. Tom, thanks so much for this excellent video that was very well presented. I have been working with or around woodworking power tools for about 55 years and I have had only one serious accident on the table saw. I allowed a ripped piece of stock to rise above the table and it shot back at supersonic speed and nailed me square in the sternum. I actually saw stars and had the breath knocked right out of me. My sternum was very sore for over a month and I am so glad I didn't catch that work piece in the mouth or the eyes. I have never used a feather board, a riving. knife or a blade guard of any kind. I am 71 now and in the wood shop many days during the week and I am VERY cautious BUT..... I am constantly thinking about the day that I may get very seriously injured and I don't wish to push my luck. I have good push sticks that are large and sturdy and I am going to build some nice feather boards. I would like to start using a riving knife and a blade guard but the saw I am using is approximately 54 years old...a Wards PowerKraft 10 inch table saw that is all iron and weighs a ton and still works beautifully with my always sharp blades. Would you happen to be aware of someone who could get me set up with a riving knife and a blade guard on a table saw this old? If you can maybe get me started in the right direction it would be most appreciated. Thank you!

  • @fillerwong3945
    @fillerwong3945 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks so much. A lot of useful info. I just started using my 20+ year old table saw again. Did lots of things wrong and caught a small piece in the stomach. No shirt so it left a scar. I was standing on the left side too. But I used the mitre gauge and fence at the same time. Now I had done that earlier but used a stick to push the right side through. Now while that worked I know better not to do it at all. Great video.

  • @ivdimentia
    @ivdimentia 7 лет назад +1

    Maybe the best safety video i'seen so far...you can never be too carefull. Nice work!!!

  • @kashimonk
    @kashimonk 7 лет назад +2

    Must watch video before using a table saw. Thanks for putting it up.

  • @antoniobavia6167
    @antoniobavia6167 6 лет назад +1

    Yes, one of the most useful videos concerning safe at the table saw working. Thank you a lot!

  • @ronbloxom3156
    @ronbloxom3156 Год назад

    Very good descriptions of accident c as uses on the saw. Thank you.

  • @dutrahom
    @dutrahom 7 лет назад

    With no doubt this is a must watch vídeo even the first attempt to use a table saw. Simple, explicit as it should be. Many thanks to invest time on such important thing.

  • @ballpythons_co_za
    @ballpythons_co_za 4 года назад

    Recommend this to all handyman, thanks for this safety video

  • @efrainperez846
    @efrainperez846 3 года назад

    Great video on safety and proper use of a table saw. I just got a used table saw and will be installing the knife and making a few push sticks. I will also remember NOT to operate the saw if I am tired or super distracted. Lord help me, I want ti be safe and never have an accident. I'd say "Be NOT Afraid."

  • @ollieclark
    @ollieclark 5 лет назад +5

    Watched this video shortly after being hit in the arm by a piece of wood propelled at 4500 rpm by my table saw. I should have probably watched it before I bought the thing really. How I've still got all my fingers is a mystery. Thanks for all the tips, hopefully now I'll keep myself intact!

  • @blackbeton3923
    @blackbeton3923 11 месяцев назад

    Very nice video, great pedagogy and professionalism 👍🏻👍🏿

  • @kevingeaney7741
    @kevingeaney7741 6 лет назад

    I would guess that this is a close to 100% comprehensive instruction as any video could get! Thanks so much. I had one or two scary moments myself, On one I was FREE cutting very thin ply (about 3mm), which I thought was so light that it couldn't possibly kick back! I just could not believe the force with which it hit me. It didn't injure me thankfully but it sure taught me a lesson.

  • @paulcurtis5730
    @paulcurtis5730 3 года назад +3

    Wow. I just got a table saw, and this was chock full of information I haven't seen in any other video. I was wondering about body weight distribution. Do you put your weight on your right or left leg when you're ripping? (By that I mean a shorter board--not the length you would have to walk in to feed, like demonstrated in the video.) Thanks so much for putting this together--I can tell you take safety really seriously, and I appreciate the tips!

  • @bernardwong47
    @bernardwong47 4 года назад

    Very detailed and very easy to understand and follow. Thanks

  • @Estebansenseis
    @Estebansenseis 7 лет назад +3

    You are a real Master! Thanks for your videos, even I´ve not started yet into woodworking, I´ve learned a lot.

  • @mm9773
    @mm9773 3 года назад

    Great video. Just a few remarks:
    1. I wouldn’t store clamps on the wall behind the table saw. I’d draw a huge target on there - or perhaps something less cynical - to remind people not to stand there.
    2. The blade guard was off most of the time to demonstrate things of course, but in an instructional video I would include as much footage with the blade guard in place as possible.
    3. It would be good to mention that the fence on this table saw is longer than necessary. Ideally, the fence would end where the blade ends.

  • @ZebRoll
    @ZebRoll Год назад

    So many yearas since last video! Thanks a lot for this lecture. I really hope you doing great!

  • @PatBuckleyracecar
    @PatBuckleyracecar 4 года назад +1

    Great information , thank you. I would like to add something. Pay attention to your footing. I have an epoxy coated floor and when it has some saw dust on it, it becomes very slippery. You can figure out the rest.

  • @shamsularfeen1676
    @shamsularfeen1676 6 лет назад

    Wow...so many safety measures...never seen before on any wood works videos..learnt a lot...Thank you so much.

  • @geraldrivera2174
    @geraldrivera2174 7 лет назад +1

    Excellent video with real life scenarios, great job!

  • @leehaelters6182
    @leehaelters6182 5 лет назад +2

    Tom, a really great video, thanks! You show many techniques and appreciation for many of the force vectors that are not addressed by many, or most, of other videos. Allow me to point out one thing, though. The blade you have mounted to the Saw Stop will compromise it's effectiveness in the event of triggering the cartridge. Those chip limiting nibs will do what they were created to do, and when the aluminium block slams into the blade it will shave it's way in, rather than bury the teeth in one shot. That extra rotation has caused some injury that you might not expect if you've seen the hot dog demonstration. Search on Rex Krueger, for one example.

  • @bigpapaporsche1
    @bigpapaporsche1 4 года назад

    Nice video with good advice. However, I was surprised to see you didn't mention that the use of a Blade Guard adds to safety! I reviewed most of the comments and saw only one other guy that noticed you didn't use a Blade Guard or recommend one. Why not?
    I have a SawStop, Contractor Model, and I am in the process evaluating which Blade Guard I want to buy. The reason is primary added SAFETY, but Dust Collection is also a benefit, but is secondary to SAFETY!

  • @GregWallis
    @GregWallis 6 лет назад +1

    Surprisingly informative and enormously helpful. Many thanks!

  • @NMranchhand
    @NMranchhand 7 лет назад +1

    Wow, what a great contribution to woodworking. And just as I'm setting up a new shop. Thanks awfully. I'm a subscriber now. I'll take all the safety your experience has to give!

  • @la5150hi-lophoto
    @la5150hi-lophoto 3 года назад

    Thanks so much...my 2nd cut on my new table saw I had a kickback and the piece that flew back missed me but hit my car taillight and actually imbedded into the light. 2 lessons I learned, review safety guidelines and NEVER park behind a table saw:)

  • @anstef1485
    @anstef1485 4 года назад

    A great video on safety! Thank you from a beginner.

  • @joshflammrealtor2894
    @joshflammrealtor2894 5 лет назад

    Best video on safety I have seen

  • @jpvoodoo5522
    @jpvoodoo5522 4 года назад +1

    This is great. I am considering buying some tools and getting into woodworking. So I am very intimidated by this saw, but it seems that everyone who makes anything interesting uses them. I want to know every way one of these can be dangerous and this is a very helpful video.

  • @TheEssexSpurs
    @TheEssexSpurs 3 года назад

    I am thinking of getting one and your video was so interesting.I like the way you have concentrated on safety (obviously) and have been a wealth of information.Greetings from eastern England.

  • @saidchoucair9247
    @saidchoucair9247 8 лет назад

    Dear Tomas, your videos are very interesting, enlightening and educational.
    I would like to compliment the beautiful work of clarification of key security points and as the culmination of this class reward us with an ice solution to prevent possible accidents.
    Prevention is all within a functional aspect.
    This review may encourage you to produce more other enlightening videos to all of us.
    A big hug from a Brazilian who much you esteem and learn from their lessons.
    Said Choucair

    • @wrengels
      @wrengels 6 лет назад

      Thanks! The image of a “Body Parts Recovery Cooler” will stick in my mind and be a powerful reminder! It makes the point better than a thousand words.

  • @mb-g6549
    @mb-g6549 4 года назад

    What a great video!! I’d like to thank my man Roche Harmon for showing me this fine video

  • @johnhamilton2680
    @johnhamilton2680 6 лет назад

    Thank you sir for these very important tips. Just got my first portable table saw.

  • @vincentdoyle9416
    @vincentdoyle9416 6 лет назад

    The best video I've ever seen on table saws...thank you

  • @mohamedahmed-vk3ql
    @mohamedahmed-vk3ql 3 года назад

    I had 2 accidents last week of the ones you mentioned in this video thankfully I still have all my fingers.

  • @FantomWireBrian
    @FantomWireBrian 2 года назад

    The best and most powerful is a 12" plus commercial grade Radial arm saw. Delta , DeWalt and some old Sears . I've heard and seen the injuries from table saws.I gave my table saw years ago and have never regretted it. 😎

  • @caseroj6020
    @caseroj6020 6 лет назад

    Man this is an incredible video! I recently purchased a Hitachi portable table saw and after watching this video I am actually scared to use it. That's good though because fear is what keeps us alive and safe from injury. Problems happen when people lose their fear of things and take unreasonable risks! Thanks for posting.

  • @71GA
    @71GA 5 лет назад

    The video was really nice, but man the last part ("body part recovery bag") was out of this world! Awesome!

  • @v055741
    @v055741 7 лет назад +8

    Great video. I learned a lot. Actually scares me now to think of some of the things I have done with a table saw...never again!

    • @Inhalin1514
      @Inhalin1514 7 лет назад +3

      lol same here

    • @oobaka1967
      @oobaka1967 7 лет назад +2

      I've cross cut freehand before I bought a miter saw.. Guess I got really lucky.

    • @xl000
      @xl000 5 лет назад

      @@oobaka1967 cross cut freehand .. really
      I mean if you're thanos or something, no problem. But this sounds like a really bad idea

  • @tylernovotney6273
    @tylernovotney6273 2 года назад

    Great video! As a medical professional my only suggestion would be to add a tourniquet to your cooler.

  • @antonioramos5521
    @antonioramos5521 4 года назад

    excellent video and safety info. just bought table for home use and your safety info will certainly be on my mind. Do you have drawing on how to make the push stick you had on video?

  • @skylarb.3363
    @skylarb.3363 6 лет назад

    Really wish you taught shop safety and tool usage where I went to school! Thanks for a great video.

  • @davelanders163
    @davelanders163 5 лет назад

    Excellent video, jam packed with relevent advice and ideas. Thanks

  • @dougclevenger6748
    @dougclevenger6748 Год назад

    Will you be doing a video on Jointer safety ?
    Excellent safety video !!!!

  • @adelker4884
    @adelker4884 5 лет назад +2

    You're a wonderful teacher. Thank you so much👍❤

  • @raexx11
    @raexx11 4 года назад

    Great video, but gave me major shop envy. Keep up the good work.

  • @rolfmarty8319
    @rolfmarty8319 9 лет назад +1

    Very thorough. Awesome video.

  • @ranjanty
    @ranjanty 4 года назад

    Great safety video. Would love to have your table saw set up, it would take up my whole shop.

  • @DChomsy
    @DChomsy 5 лет назад +1

    I have yet to use my table saw and it can be very dangerous. I want to keep all my fingers and avoid impalement as well. Thank you for these safety tips!

  • @Tackleberry_G1094
    @Tackleberry_G1094 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the great video. Very thorough!

  • @ahmadjaber8061
    @ahmadjaber8061 7 лет назад +8

    i think you deserve much more likes on this video 🖒

  • @dirkvercauteren1876
    @dirkvercauteren1876 7 лет назад +1

    Hello there, just seen your video. It's top. But one remark on 7:28 you are mentioning the blade is making burn marks in the low position. This is due of to many teeth or the rpm is to high. In general for riping we need 2 to 3 teeth in the (solid) wood.( theoretical one teeth wil cut but the sawblade is not guided as well as needed and wil wagle). So, the thicker the wood the less teeth we need. As the high positing is considdered as dangeroud, adapting the number of teeth is the solution. Best regards and keep posting instruction video's.

  • @ccccen
    @ccccen 3 года назад

    The best video yet for table saw safety. t.y.

  • @Tronn42
    @Tronn42 3 года назад

    I am new to all this and came across this video... what a great video... Thank you

  • @beausky4100
    @beausky4100 4 года назад

    it was a good and well demonstrated safety table saw techniques and the body parts cooler for ready in case of accident, i hope this won't happen. thank you.

  • @bobabooey8367
    @bobabooey8367 6 лет назад +3

    Thanks Tom....Now THAT'S an outfeed table:) Is that poured resin??

  • @marlonestrella8105
    @marlonestrella8105 3 года назад +1

    Probably should do a similar video for people who have the entry level saw vs the sawstop which is like $3000+

  • @banzy3
    @banzy3 7 лет назад +2

    Great video. I'm contemplating a table saw for picture framing, so am gathering as much information as I can before I purchase. Would you recommend the use of featherboards or magnetic stops? Do they make the job safer, and is the reason I do not often see them on RUclips videos purely down to the fact that they are not so efficient in terms of the time in setting them up?

    • @leehaelters6182
      @leehaelters6182 5 лет назад

      Gavin, featherboards that are easier to set up are coming on to the market these days, it seems. I say that featherboards are indispensable for many operations, and worth whatever effort they take.

  • @Tunaslayer1
    @Tunaslayer1 6 лет назад +2

    Great video!! I am watching this because I am planning on using a table saw for the first time to build cabinet drawers.
    I am on our EH&S (Environmental, Health, & Safety) team at a manufacturing plant that performs Job Safety Analysis, and have one question.
    At 11:50, you placed the push stick on the fence, while the blade was still spinning at a high RPM. I realize that it is unlikely that it would fall towards the exposed blade, and cause a kickback type injury, but wouldn't it be much safer to place it flat on the table on the opposite side of the fence?
    Again, I'm not trying to be negative, but believe a kickback injury could be caused by items other than what it being cut.

  • @SchecterMongoose
    @SchecterMongoose 7 лет назад +1

    Very good advice except one tiny part. I would never recommend keeping the push stick against the fence. If you push on the right side of your work piece it turns the wood away from the fence; the exception is using a feather board.

  • @mohamedahmed-vk3ql
    @mohamedahmed-vk3ql 3 года назад

    Thank you, very important safety information the kind that is worth paying for and to be watched over and over as often as possible to keep reminding us not to drink and use tools of any kind.