Is "Anglo-Saxon" A Racist Term And Should My Degree Be Banned? (ASNC)
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Basically someone wrote an article earlier today explaining why he thought the name of my course at Cambridge University, this being Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic (ASNaC or ASNC for short) is racist and why it should be banned. Naturally I had to respond to this.
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Im a Canadian, and I ONLY knew of the historical context. This “racist” spin is all new to me.
You don’t know your own history very well then.
Yazz same
I think only in the UK and the woke American states it is even known the racist spin, and even then if it held after the historical description.
@@folatour190 I'm Canadian, and I am not of UK descent. Can you tell where the specific term Anglo-Saxon is a rampant racist banner in Canada? No one talks about, no one cares. Are you one of these chronically offended people? Like when the natives of Canada call THEMSELVES Indians, does that make you angry?
@@naponroy, are you SURE you're Canadian, because asking a "Latour" about "Anglo-Saxon" oppression is definitively bone headed. If you've never heard of the "Quiet Revolution," or wondered why Anglo Capitalists treating Quebecers as cheap peasant labour for centuries has them pissed off to this day, you're pretty damn dim.
The answer to both is a resounding *NO.*
@Ray Caster lmao sure m8
@Ray Caster Personally I blame the Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists who are desperately trying to rub their stink all over any subject related to European heritage.
@Dr. Bright: On the contrary, it is the 'liberals' desperately trying to re-interpret any pride in European heritage as racism, nazism etc. to push their dream of one big happy homogeneous 'Europe' (EU idiots like Guy Verhofstad).
@@HoundofOdin - Definitely isn't the vapid Left calling everything in regards to white people racist. Fucking sure pal.
@@palagius9149 *Liberal, us socialists hate this stupidity of political correctness...
"Studying only one culture is racist.". The course is called Anglo-Saxon,Norse and Celtic, there are at least three distinct cultures there. The author of this article is some racist who thinks that race equals culture.
Probably also one of those people that thinks all white people share the same culture and heritage. lol
You know how the klan has the most brain dead rejects on the planet? This is them, just on the left.
???
Atleast
Well yeah, disregarding the 3 distinct cultures, ingnoring the subcultures that existed within those 3 distinct cultures, studyin one still wouldn't really be racist would it... it'd just be specialising in the study of that culture, and considering that one culture can contain many subcultures it would make sense really, culture is actually a very nuanced and complicated subject it's not really as simple as "you look like x therefore you must be y"
some guy: is anglo-saxon racist?
literally everyone: *_N O_*
Is the Anglo-Saxon term racist: no.
Are Anglo-Saxons racists: YES!
@@jdboov6739 believing all English are racist is in fact racist
@Alexis Castillo cringe
Castillo doesn’t sound very Irish
@Callum think you should go back to school, England literally means the land of Angel's and the first people to call themselves English were the Anglo-Saxons, who as you point out originally came from what's now Germany.
Never apologize and never give an inch to these people
judging from the shades in the car and that beard, an inch is the most you can give
@@hotto5150 BOOOM!
@@hotto5150 Not an argument
@@Hopeofmen it's about as much of an argument as the fact that your dad's not your father
I find the term Anglo Saxon offensive to Quote Christopher Hitchens "So what" I sick and tired of People Pushing their agendas beat you Gums all day long I've got you number
A famous German chancellor who I will not name liked dogs. This means we should all get rid of our dogs, right?
Yes, as they are generally speaking haram in Islam.
As it's 2020, I'd like to add emoticon to inform that's an irony.
;)
He was vegan as well. I propose that we get rid of all vegansas well(seriously).
He was only vegan for dietary reasons, not ideological ones though. Of course its moot as eradicating all the vegans is an inherently good idea in itself!
Also the entirety of german language, all history of germany, going all the way back to germanic tribes, living, committing suicide, being a politician, having facial hair, or just normal hair, or actually just being human.
Only the German Shepards ! (female called Blondy) !
Pakistani guy here, absolutely baffled why studying Anglo-Saxons would be considered racist. FFS.
Thank you dude.
@Tinita Bondi white culture is a really poor umbrella term for a variety of european cultures, ethnic groups, etc tho
@Tinita Bondi The largest supporters of this are rich white people who hate their own culture.
It's connected to the Western world therefore racist is the thought process. They'll lie about it of course but that's what it is
@@michaelhowze8198 who even wrote that paper, it sounds like an angry drunk collage student that just read a piece of paper saying the WW2 Germans used Darwin as an influence in their trash ideology and asked the Darwin awards to change the name because FeAtiST.
I'm Belgian and I've never heard of anyone using anglo-saxon in a racist context... I know the nazis where obsessed with the old germanic cultures but some people act like the logic is reversed, as in being interested in old germanic cultures is nazi. Pretty stupid in my opinion.
Today we are teached, that we europeans original were all blacks and that white people just rewrote the true history. Just look under a Bridgerton or Princess Charlotte-video.
It is intentional. Have you ever noticed how they call themselves politically correct?
AutonomousAnalyst: They are doing this on purpose. Its not just stupid. IT is DELIBERATE!
These people are from the cult of Kalergi.
Im afraid genocide is the name of the game. :(
@Oscar Ortiz indeed.
@@tusk70
Well, technically homo sapiens (all humans alive today's) was born in Africa. But That doesn't mean that in Europe at those times Black's where that common like in those movies that you cited.
True, it’s opposite world. My girlfriend almost seems uncomfortable when mentioning her blue eyes and blonde hair sometimes. That kind of opposite world drives me crazy, because it hurts people, history, truth, morals,… It destroys justice and the world. And people are creating that type of guilt by proxy all the time now. People are faced with it daily.
P.S.: greetings from Lier (close to Antwerp) btw. Hope you’re well, whatever place in the current shitstorm you’re standing on.
Never give up fighting against stupidity disguised as moral righteousness.
It's not stupidity. It's racism, period. Anti-Germanic racism is the only kind of state approved racism.
bashpr0mpt whist I hate to agree it is kinda true in some regards
It's not stupidity. It's ethno-cultural genocide.
It's just yet more deconstructive cultural Marxism aimed at destroying Western culture.
@@silverbullet2008bb Thats what I see too. And they mask it as "progress" while they erase your evil culture from history.
Im a french native and "anglo-saxon" is pretty common for us for talking about stuff related to UK
And we even include US, Australia and most parts of Canada under the Anglo-Saxon label... But that is not the proper sense of the word the article is all about.
Here in Italy we even use it as a synonym of English and Englishman. the UK is really a messed up country
@andrea cantarello You could say that about the whole of the Anglo world at the moment and things are only getting worse.
as a spanish speaker i can confirm that we use the term as a technical term to refer to the English sphere of influence, mostly descendants and colonies of the british empire.
@@JaEDLanc the Romans were pre-Anglo-Saxon... aside from that, the British only went to conquer the rest of the world because their food tasted horrible and they wanted more gold.
*spends a half hour studying*
“Anglo-Saxon is racist and wasn’t even used”
*LITERAL ANGLO-SAXON STUDENT*
“Hold my tea.”
I'm sure that the correct response would be.... Hold my mead!
The literal Emeritus Professor of Medieval Archaeology, University of Cambridge has published works on why the term Anglo-Saxon is bunk and shouldn't be used. She's spent many, many years studying it, not a half hours, and that "literal Anglo Saxon student" might very well have studied under her. The author of this video almost certainly would have.
@@mandolinistry3207
If a professor is complaining about a historically accurate two-word term being "racist", then she should be fired.
J H at what point does calling someone such a specific term become racist?
It’s a rabbit hole with no end.
You can be more specific if you’d like, but general terms exist for a reason.
@@Gyvulys So we should ignore the experts on the subject even when they are the head of the entire department of that subject at a venerable and respected university like Cambridge, and just fire them, because their work hurts your feelings? Why even have experts?
You asked for comments: I'm 50 and British, and have always considered Anglo-Saxon to represent the people of the early Medieval times. I had no idea it could be associated with racism -- that's a dangerous path of intentionally destroying our history.
anglo saxons is literally just the name of the tribe that came from germany to britain, so are we not allowed to call germans germans or french french (because its named after the frankish)
The problem is whether your ‘history’ is history or a mythology devised to justify English, later British, invasions of far flung parts of the world to establish an empire based on the invention of race based on pinkish skin colour (mislabelled as ‘white’). Studying history and reading it, requires careful examination of the stories of the past, debunking myths, finding the forgotten stories (and those written out), understanding what people thought, felt and believed, how they all lived (not just the rich and powerful) and whether terminology is objective and fair or loaded with prejudice. For instance what was labelled the “Indian Mutiny“ is now called the “First Indian War of Independence“.
There is much to be proud of in English history, but there are shameful things as well, for instance the St Brice‘s Day massacre.
@@ugetsu2093 Yeah... except if you think the vast majority of British imperialism was based on "we're PINK, God-dammit, and that means we're destined to rule the world!" well... you need to learn a hell of a lot more about British colonialism. Was what was DONE to be defended? Nope. But WHY it was done? "We want this land/stuff and there happen to be a different type of people already sitting on top of it" is a FAR cry from what you're insinuating.
@@ugetsu2093 all cultures have prideful moments and to things to be ashamed. People are complex and thus human history is complex.
@@ugetsu2093 without much evidence to back up your claim besides half noting that sometimes we discover new historical inaccuracies, you imply that people with pink white skin (I mean obviously black people shouldn't be called black in most cases when they mostly have brown skin) have chosen to lie about their history to defend their imperialism, when certain ruling classes and their armies do not summarize all of white people today, and makes what you are saying incredibly racist. You're not asking us to vet through history and make deep analytical conclusions based on our changing information as history is continuously exposed, but instead you make the racist implication that all of white man is trying to record history inaccuractely Only for our own advantage and not because history is hard to uncover or for any other logical reason. Hypocritical racist attitude is something we all must avoid when comparing any ancient culture to any of today's society.
I never associated the term "Anglo-Saxon" with any kind of racism nor heard someone call it that before I came across this unfortunate article.
then you've missed a part of american history
I have also honestly never heard of the term Anglo-Saxon being racist
It's like saying that me calling myself a slav (which I am) is racist.
These people are ALL and I do mean ALL retarded.
This debate has been going on for years, it's a shame the only time people hear about these issues being raised is by angry college students rather than the scholars in the field who've been talking about it. It's certainly worth talking about judging by some of the reactions this video has garnered in it's comments and the number of people who seem to think the point of the debate is so "they" can take over Europe and all those who blame the Jews for this discussion at all.
@Jano van Pelt I hope that is a ironic comment.
Because that level of weaponized autism isn't tolerated in civilised society.
"Isle of Man" lol that's sexist 😂
Iolean Mannann, Mannanan Mac Lir was a an ancient Celtic personage, nothing to do with man or men, that evil gender much hated by misandrists but handy in a fight.........
@@jgdooley2003 I hope you can tell I was making a joke.
HIStory, now that's truly sexist!
HuMAN that is sexist 🤣😂
Isle of Gender Neutral Homo Sapien
They're just hunting witches.
And, like their predecessors, they have no logically sound argument to justify their war, which is boosted by ignorance.
I heard a better analogue.
They think their dragon killers.
They caught some bad people but NEED to find more or their useless.
They've killed all the dragons around and started attacking other things.
Its like a sad old Knight squaring up to a puppy in a dragon costume.
These people are sad individuals with not much in their life. If you take this crusade away from them they will have nothing.
I understand there is a new, never used before, test for racism. What happens is say, someone doesn't like the look of you or the sound of your voice or even, dare I say, have white skin, then you are accused and then tied to a stool which is attached and extended on a beam and frame across a river. You, the accused, are strapped to the stool and are submerged into the river for approximately 30 minutes. When you are raised from the river you can be either 1) drowned in which case you are racist or 2) alive in which case you are a non-racist person. This is where we are going!
This reads like a great poem, short an effective.
Maybe I’m just being weird but I really enjoyed it.
Thanks.
Such a cool analogy
I enjoyed it too, it is indeed like a sharp and still effective peom. Thank you
I wish more people argued like this, so very polite..
So do I,
There’s a time politeness is the problem
So very true. It's to the point where people are afraid to even say anything.
I’ve never once heard of Anglo Saxon being used in a modern racial context. What the absolute hell.
@Rodion Raskolnikov You live under a rock.
@@godofthisshit he DEFINITELY does
In America it's sort of very common. Pretty much a lot of American history texts associate this term with stuff like KKK, etc.
A lot of people in the US used to legitimately believe that the Anglo-Saxons were the original jews of the Bible, and that modern day jews were imposters or whatever. When that was disproven, they began to stipulate that the Anglo-Saxons were the twelfth tribe of Israel. As such, Anti-Semites in the US used to talk how proud they were of their Anglo-Saxon heritage - not English, Anglo-Saxon. In the US, most people know little to nothing about early medieval British history, and even if they do know about, the term "Anglo-Saxon" - a term, I should mention, that is hardly ever used outside of a historical context - is associated with its more recent history, when it was used by Anti-Semites to justify their feelings towards jews. In short, most people in the US don't know about the term other than its use in the context of Anti-Semitism, so, if someone misreads the context, it can and will come across as pretty Anti-Semitic, which obviously makes people think of the Nazis, and to an extent, the Klan, which stirs up some pretty strong feelings.
@@maxfarley2519 Well don't know that 'original jew' detail, but yeah I got to say studying American history the term Anglo Saxon has a lot more negative associations.
Us Jutes have always been completely overlooked.
I know about you guys!
@De AIVD kijkt met u mee. ...also a name of a type of string/rope probably used in sack making.
FRAJSNAC 👍
Isn't the Danish peninsula (Jutland) named after them?
@@MrAnticlimate yes it is, they had their own little kingdom in what is now Kent.
This is the first time I have ever seen someone claim that 'Anglo-Saxon' is racist, and frankly, it's absurd.
That's because you're being misled by racist doorknobs. The argument is that the term is incorrect historically:
vimeo.com/425282049
and Anglo-Saxon as an identity has been adopted by a branch of white supremacist idiots, who are up in arms over the idea that their faulty idea of history is being questioned.
People in the liberal arts and humanities need to write something too... Science and engineering professor can always do research, how about the liberal arts? Easy, find racism everywhere.
When I think of Anglo-Saxon I think of, basically, "beta" English people. Or Germanic tribes that said " hey look at that island. It looks cool. Let's settle there."
Not some fucking random ass supposedly racist crap. Where has this shit been all my life?
welcome to the 21st century
@@mandolinistry3207 absolute bollox.
Anglo Saxon was used by Anglo Saxons
Go fkn read some history.
Like the 9th century Anglo Saxon chronicles.
There was a minor controversy in Germany a little while ago where a youtuber by the name of Rezo tweeted something about preserving the environment and he used the term ‘Lebensraum’. This is obviously a term with bad implications because it was used by Hitler as a justification for invading Poland. However in German ‘Lebensraum’ also describes the specific environment in which an animal can survive, and Rezo used it in this context. It reminded me of this situation, like just because a word was used as a racist term doesn’t mean that it can’t ever be used in a different context again.
Oh GOTT, ja stimmt. Rezo hat auch das Wort ,,Käse“ benutzt, das hat Hitler auch mal gesagt. Rezo - ein heimlicher Nazi?
Wir benutzen im deutschen übrigens immer noch Sprichwörter, die von den Nazis, Göring, Goebbels etc. geprägt wurden - aber deswegen sind wir keine Nazis.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 "Jedem das seine" zum Beispiel.
Edit: wurde nicht wirklich von ihnen geprägt, nur missbraucht.
@@MonsieurWeevil Genau. Ich sage das selber ständig!
I am proud to be an Ignaz
In Finland we learn (briefly) about the anglo-saxons at school. I really had no idea that someone would consider rasist. That's absolutely nuts
Well it makes some sense in an American cultural context. The problem is Americans ignorantly push their cultural standards onto the rest of us.
@@viktator4205, yeah, decades of Republican election propaganda has Americans of all political stripes thinking there's a "Left" left in the US, when by everyone elses definitions the Republicans are far Right, most Dems are Center Right, and even Bernie Sanders is barely Center Left. As Noam Chomsky pointed out, most Dems now would be considered Moderate Republicans as recently as the '70s! That's decades of the Republicans gutting public education in action. Trump voters aren't born, they just couldn't graduate middle school in most Western countries;)
I had a good friend from Finland, and your education system is top notch, while Republicans have been lobotomizing the public education system in the US for decades. The level of public discourse in the US is embarassingly ignorant, as this Durand essay shows. Here's my response, and I'm a Left-Leaning Canadian, as well as a retired print journalist: Is Jack Durand a scholar, or a virtue-signalling twit? I studied Medieval European History back in the '80s, focusing mostly on the Icelandic written records, but back then virtually ALL we had for written records from England for the 9th and 10th Centuries was literally called "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles." To eliminate the term "Anglo-Saxon" from scholarship for the last few CENTURIES means burning every damn essay and book written about that period of English History (from roughly 800 to 1066), up to and including everything being written now.
I don't remember this widespread exercise in book burning happening after the Nazis twisted history to their own, dim ends, why is such a response proposed against similar misuses of history now? We can refer to "Early Medieval England/Britain etc" in scholarship all we want, but that scholarship will still necessarily be loaded with references to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, duh, it changes nothing, so cut the virtue-signalling cr*p, Jack.
I'm Scotish Canadian btw, and know ALL about the genocide that happened in Scotland in the 18th Century, so I know EXACTLY how nasty the racist, imperialist Brits who started slapping "Anglo Saxon" on history back then were, but Durand's position is ridiculous. I hope it gets him lots of BJs from naive undergrads who are easily impressed by shallow virtue signalling, but for the rest of us, let's leave book burning to the racists and Nazis. Just sayin...;)
aapo virtanen: Thank you very much for your comment. You are absolutely right. Thank you for your support.
@@viktator4205 just because America is the best nation on the planet doesn't mean you have to feel bad
The problem Durand has with ASNC is that he is judging it from a political perspective of the present and projecting this onto academic studies of the past. To him a degree exclusively premised upon the study of Northern-European peoples and culture simply should not exist. His politics of being 'inclusive' and 'diverse' in the modern sense means that ASNC, when studied academically, cannot meet these requirements. This article is ultimately an attempt to make your degree 'political' and in doing so subordinate the actual academic nature of ASNC.
Good job keeping a level head about this, especially when this is clearly an attack on something you are passionate about. You address Durand's points succinctly and have an acute awareness for the stance he takes on the matter.
WHY they HATE WHITES the Bible has the answer.
Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,
[Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN, not black] as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
The world hates white Christians esp.
Strong's Hebrew: "ADAM"
H - 119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy). (to be able to blush)
H - 120 'adam aw-dawm' from 119; ruddy
1 Samuel 17:42 - And when [Goliath] the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him:
for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.
fair countenance = fair complexion (Webster 1828 Dictionary) BLACK is not fair complexion
Ruddy = having a healthy reddish color, a ruddy complexion
ie rosy red blush as the Irish are ruddy.
David was a relative of Jesus and look in Revelation 1 as Jesus had white head and white hair...hmmm
Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.
Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:
Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,
[Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black] as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. The world hates white Christians esp.
Adam the first white man
so were the Hebrews white?
Can any dark race can blush and show blood in the face....?
Why the unlimited 3rd world immigration into the USA and Europe?
Who printed the Bibles and built all the churches?
Africa? NO
Asia? NO
Europe and the USA = Yes
Bible book hated of interracial marriages Ezra 9:2 - For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy [HOLY SEED] seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.
IF there is a HOLY SEED then there needs to be an UNHOLY SEED...
@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh But the Bible wasn't written by a White Person its was Written by a Brown Person from the Middle East
@@leebennett4117 right that is why all the churches were built in white countries by whites and Bibles printed and translated by whites.
Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.
Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:
Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,
@HYSTERIA MCR Bible book of Titus 1:14 - Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,
[Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black] as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. The world hates white Christians esp.
@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh Were the Ethiopian churches built by whites?
When you say "quite frankly," are you referring to another Germanic people who settled in what is now France?
Franchement
Damn it, now we gotta ban that word now.
Quite Anglo-Saxonly, I suppose.
@@jamesoakley4570 Let's just ban France all together, just to be sure. *Something about a sacrifice I'm willing to make*
"Germanic people who settled in what is now France?"
Excuse me?
"Racism" means nothing anymore. It's better to be at peace with yourself and get called racist than dance to the tune of these hypocrites.
They do need to be called out though.. if not they will spouting this nonsense and ignorant people will think what they say is true.
Person: Eats Indian Curry Food
These people: REEEEE Cultural Appropriation!
Person: Studies an entire culture group
These people: We need to change this culture group's name, now!
I'm from Balkans, never heard that the term had a racist conotaions. You westerners are surely becoming wierd.
Leave us (Irish) out of it
us italians to
@Gabriel Beauharnais Boarf, j’lé emmerde ces gens là.
:)
Leave the scots out of it aswell
@Gabriel Beauharnais he is a racist and you find most Scots don't like him and his hate crime bill shows that he is a blanket racist personality if he thinks its too white he should just leave
I'm so sick of these people that the first thing they do when they wake up is ask, "How can I be offended today?".
@@VentureHolly You can't ignore them, they end up changing things, you have to educate them.
What they’re really thinking is: how can I make myself feel important and receive praise from our leftist-(Marxist)-ideology-dominated society via my fake virtue signaling
Proton2112 you could try therapy instead.
I mean why get so offended by babies who are easily offended?
Smells like hypocrisy a bit no?!?
@@VentureHolly Eh, it depends, some are smart, some are just lost in ideology, still can't ignore them, or people will listen to them, look at BF 5 for example.
@@VentureHolly Yea, there always seem to be extremists, but regular every day companies usually think that sjws are their customers when in reality they are just very vocal.
"How dare you be white and study your own history." The world has gone mad.
What are you gonna do about it?
"How dare you be [insert_race_name_here] and study your own history?"
Indeed, the world has gone mad.
@@algonzalez6853 Have kids and teach them their history. About all I can do.
@@algonzalez6853 Why are you commenting the same a dozen times? Are you hungry for attention?
Dont specify white. Every culture has idiots that misuse history for their own gains.
I'm 100% white British native. I am proud of my country's history and I am fascinated by the wars and invasions it has endured. I have true Saxon/Viking/Celtic blood.
But no way am I racist.
I've lived in Asia for half my life. My favourite music cultures are Jamaican and Thai. I have been out with girls from nearly all other races plus many other things that a racist would not want to do.
So who ever said Anglo Saxon = racist is basically a clueless muppet.
Ehhhhh the term native is pretty racist, coming from a Norseman ;)
Blood is measured in blood type not where the person was from
Frankly, even if you had never left Britain, only liked British food (which could genuinely be your taste) and only dated white women (again could genuinely be your taste) does not necessarily make you racist. The fact that we feel we have to justify ourselves to these people mean that they, in fact, are the ones that are racist
@@adamjones3818if you are talking in the scientific, biological sense, then yes. But the English language has different meanings for the same word. The cultural meaning of the word means where the person is from.
Damn Hilbert. You really annihilated their argument by using primary sources.
I know, it's almost as though you should do some research before opening your mouth... :D
To be fair, everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out.
So they do. Over and over again.
The most surprising thing about this is they left all the indoligists alone. For crying out loud, those people study about Indo-Aryan languages and swastika worshipers! How dare they!
People hate it when you use facts to defeat their bullshit.
Thing is even if he did not prove the historical usage of the term (which I think he did flawlessly) sometimes you need to use ahistorical terms to describe specific group of people in specific period, much like Byzantines or Persians.
Rory Mosley I absolutely love this video. Absolutely ruined his opponent with logic, common sense , knowledge and reason. I love it. Hahaha. Funny actually. I can actually hear his yelp from his stomach wound. Nice work hilbert hahaha.
Nowadays the term racist is thrown around so much that it has become completely meaningless .Everything and anything is racist.It is becoming pointless and tiresome
It's to the point where literal milk has been called racist. It has to stop at some point before language itself is considered racist.
@@plebisMaximus well i dont think its matters what people say to the left its who. If the left accuses you of something it usually means they are projecting.
And what makes it worse is the fact that it could be deliberate. To throw around the Word racist until it's Lost all meaning would almost quell all scrutiny towards Actually racist actions, such as ones by those who keep on throwing around the term.
I am of the belief that it's a deliberate attempt so when they inevitably get called out on their racism, their dilution of the word will mean that it will just be dismissed.
Edit: Spelling
Nowadays if you’re white and someone calls you “racist”, more likely than not, you’re doing something correct. If you value your European culture, and believe that there is strong cultural value in having your people remain as the absolute majority on your people’s traditional land that corresponds to your ethnicity (the place where literally your ancestors evolved for millennia) then your a “RaCiSt”. HOW DARE YOU not be compliant in allowing your home’s traditional demographics get completely destroyed by a massive influx of Africans. You must hate black people!!
@@salomez-finnegan7952 - you see this? You see how objectively, NONE of this is racist?? Now before any of you guys start calling THIS guy a xenophobe, just look in the mirror.
Good on you, man, you're absolutely right.
I stand with ASNAC.
Stay stronge.
The sorts of people who make these kinds of articles and make these claims are using the English language in a different way to everyone else.
Ah yes, banning words as 'offensive' or 'racist' is a slippery slope.
Yeah, jeez, can you imagine a world without racism or prejudice? The horror! XD
@@Lazurath101 banning stuff doesn't stop it, racism, sexism, blah blah blah will live on as long as the human race does. Only the blind think saying stop will get people to stop
Let's just ban the words "offensive" and "racist". If the words don't exist, you can't be them!!
NewSpeak FTW!
That slope was slidden decades ago!
People need to understand that 'banning' is society washing its hands of something while allowing it to carry on behind closed doors.
Your fine, definitely not racists, someone's just trying to make a headline.
no, i think a certain group wants to destroy everything about europeans to the point we are erased from history and the earth
@@algonzalez6853 I'm pretty sure it's just some dude trynna make some money
@@algonzalez6853 Bingo.
Another globalist, probably a Christian and probably a communist in hiding. Come to think of it aren't globalists the real supremacists? they want all these monotheistic institutions to govern the world and centralise power via a world wide network. Is total power over the globe not the ultimate expression of supremacy?? these people are intentional mentalists. English is a global language perhaps they should ban that too.
@@Boyd2342 No mate this is already being pushed in America, google The International Society of Anglo-Saxon being too white Washington Post
“Minority” and “diversity” don’t mean what they used to, they’ve evolved into synonyms meaning “non-white”. It doesn’t matter if the members of the ASNAC department are all from different parts of the world and speak all kinds of different languages, if they have white skin, they might as well all be cousins.
Race is an abstract notion, it should not even be regarded as something unique just due to the colour of people's skin and facial caricature.
@Matt Simmons culture and race are two seperate things buddy, how about you stop consuming those bullshit ethnonationalist propaganda.
@@MatPost So where did culture come from then? How do you seperate it? If my nation gets population replaced, obviously also culture change. How can it not be so? Culture comes from traits and attributes of a people, their mindset and sensibilities. All this is genetic. That does not mean culture cannot vary greatly from generations and nations of same race for example. But it will always have to in some way be compatible with the peoples sensibilities. There are some theoretical cultures too insufferable for human beings, likewise not all present cultures are biologically compatible with all present peoples.
@@olaf6987 You my friend are an idiot. You ask a very simple question. What influence culture? The answer is simple. Climate, religion and geography. Race has nothing to do with culture. For example polynesian culture and customs revolved around water, but mongolian culture and customs revolved around horse riding. In Papua New Guinea they have crocodile gods, but you don't see the inuits with crocodile gods. Don't pull this pseudoscientific bs about "races not being comparable to certain cultures". Fun fact. Did you know peter the great had an adopted black son? He gained the nick name Gannibal, which is a corruption of hannibal, due to his prowess as a commander in many of Russia's wars. Since he left africa at a young age; culturally he was mostly russian.
Aggressive Tubesock Yes, the modern liberal conception of race is incredibly racist as it marginalizes all whites and all non-whites as monochrome blocks of people with no cultural, historical, ethnic, or national nuance.
I'm British - English - I've never heard the term Anglo-Saxon being used in anything but a historical context before and certainly not as a racist term.
It's just the "anti-racists" being upset over nothing, trying to justify their continuing outrage over peoples skin color and heritage.
This is just a powerplay that's been used for centuries: Erasing a group's self-chosen name (endonym) and replacing it with a name your group choses for them (exonym), usually one with negative connotations and from a language the other group doesn't speak.
A most excellent point. Yeah the English used to for racism but all groups have someone at some point in their history use their term for racism.
It's a bunch of right wing idiots who associate with being Anglo-Saxons, who don't know or didn't stay awake in history, to realise the Britons were already here, modern day Welsh, cornish and the French Brettons. And that stirring song in zulu the Welsh soldiers sing is about killing Saxon invaders.
@Ryan McRae celts Mmm they originally came from what's now modern day Switzerland.
@Ryan McRae My understanding is the celts started out in what's now modern Switzerland fought the Romans, moved across to Iberia and traded with the ancient Britons and a peaceful integration took place.
@Ryan McRae Caomhin De Barra wrote a interesting piece in thejournal.ie, about Irelands celt roots or maybe lack of them.
Control people’s use of language and you control the conversation.
Prime example of this is the power + prejudice = racism assertion
Double plusgood!
There's no real point to trying to debate these people. The "activists" who make these kinds of demands are typically fishing for any low hanging fruit they can denounce to gain status within their own peer group. If you've ever been around this type of person you know what I mean. They don't really give a shit about any of this, it's all about padding their activist resume with headlines and pictures so that they can move up the food chain in far left political circles. By presuming they're arguing in good faith to begin with you're just wasting your breath.
Look at any time they manage to extract a public apology, retraction, etc from some organization. Promotions, funding grants, political campaigns are typically not far behind for the people involved.
Edit: yes, when religion was the dominant belief system the denouncers used accusations of blasphemy etc for the same purpose. But since nowadays secular humanist and egalitarian beliefs are far more popular, this kind of behaviour is overwhelmingly found among members of groups with such beliefs. And their attacks carry correspondingly more weight. An accusation of blasphemy is seen as stupid, irrelevant rambling, an accusation of racism can be a career ending debacle.
Nail on the head m8, people who think they can change history because it does not suit their "beliefs" are pitiful
I was with you till you had to make this out to be a one sided issue. The right does this same shit, just under the guise of "religious freedom". People use their holy book to attack a group that has no effect on them to score political and social points.
@@benderrodriguez142 It's not the right that's the issue here.
@@benderrodriguez142 But what about x doing y?
@@benderrodriguez142 "the right" consists of many groups that mostly hate each other and are completely ideologically incompatible. The left shares a common ideological base even if they disagree on the implementation. Yes, back in the day when religion was relevant people used blasphemy and heresy accusations much the same way - but now it is dead, and hardly anybody takes their denunciations seriously.
An accusation of racism or sexism, however, carries immense weight nowadays. And it's the left who throw those around willy nilly.
Hilbert, you've blown this silly argument out of the water with simple intelligent logic. Love it, please keep it up
Ironically the same people who say crap like this also think logic is "white supremacy".
@@michaelhowze8198 Can you dig me up some sources of evidence that support that claim? I've looked but can't find anything credible except for pictures of scarecrows, or, in other words, straw men.
I have literally never once in my life heard of an association with 'anglo saxon' and racism, im 28, not once
I have but I’m also American
right, I'm 40 live in the US and am aware of 'WASP' terminology, and while I find it to be inaccurate and have seen it be used in racist ways, the term A.S. itself seems pretty neutral, even here. I've seen 'WASP' used in ways that are divisive. But that's a separate context entirely from ASNaC in history.
Blame Social Justice for making the term "Anglo-Saxon" sound RaCiST
Same
They usually just use the word English.
Too much rational argument wasted on rebutting a race grifter.
@Faust 88 But these kinds of unsubstantiated claims can cause people to buckle immediately for fear of giving offence.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 that's why rightoids always loose
Oy vey! "Racial Grifter" (below) is appropriate.
@Savage Cabbage Interesting strategy,i am not sure it works everytime but care to elaborate more?
@Savage Cabbage You're absolutely right. Arguments should be based on facts and common sense. Nothing else and certainly not a sense of self-righteous morality.
That being said, I'd most likely disagree with you. But name-calling is just cheap and childish.
29:14 He just means non-white dude, he doesn't care about your cultural backgrounds.
Diversity to the left is less europeans
William johnsson don't make it left vs right. Plenty of left leaning people also reject the pushing of victim culture and identity politics. And plenty of right leaning people use them just as much.
I haven't heard Anglo-Saxon being used as a racist term ever.
In America there used to be an acronym; White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (W.A.S.P). It has been used in racially charged connotations, and not even to identify Anglo diaspora necessarily... but the acronym is an anachronism. No one uses it anymore.
I think the only people who might genuinely still use it today are the KKK but then there's still the issue that you really don't want hate groups to have such control over how you use language.
@Alexis Castillo
I'm curious about what you mean by 100% Irish. Are you an Irish expat, or were your parents Irish expats, so you're 2nd generation?
@@darthplagueis13 absolutely, we do not improve anything by abandoning anything that someone may wish to misappropriat it, much better to continue to use it correctly.
@Dread-Cthulu
But W.A.S.P was used as a derogatory term by racist pro confederate types.
The dutch also need to rename the netherlands because there was a SS division called Neiderlandische which meaning Netherlands
I am Anglo-Celtic descended from an australian convict and New Zealand mercenary/farmers. Show me on the doll where my ethnic identity hurt you.
Mercenary/farmers....huh? Like the Swiss
@@alejandroojeda1572 New Zealand populated her colonies with farmers with military training from Scotland and Czechia.
@@mostlypeacefulrowan8747 I knew about the Scottish farmers but why the Czech? And why the military training?
@@mostlypeacefulrowan8747 Huh? From what I've read, the only colonies of New Zealand were established by the Maori, not to disparage the contributions of the ANZAC in the 20th century great wars.
@@shawnoldfart4859 something missing there.
Anyone else wanting to go and study this course now? Me!
I'm a retired engineer so obviously my history knowledge is fairly basic but the first thing that you said to catch my attention was when you mentioned the Jutes, a term that I very rarely hear mentioned anywhere and I am often looked at askance when I use it. Way back when (I'm 75 yo), before I even sat my 11+ exam and went to grammar school, we learned about the Angles, Saxons and Jutes invading this country and settling here. I seem to remember something about an heptarchy existing that eventually became England, please forgive me if I have this wrong. Another term that springs to mind is 'Danegeld', something to do with paying the Danes to leaves the Anglo-Saxons in peace?
Coming back to the reason that you made this video I concur with your discourse and refutation of the slur that this person has made on your department and course and can only believe that he is one of these people that go around looking for things for which they can take offence. Finally I would like to thank you for a very instructive, not to say entertaining, video on a small part of your studies. I wish you every success in your endeavours both now and in the future.
Whoever wrote this article it's just a book burner and must be ignored.
Or is libelous and should be sued. Seriously, publishing an article calling someone a racist with next to no research? That goes beyond incompetence to malicious intent.
I really like the term "book burner" for these people. Might have to use that one!
Agree on the first half, disagree on the second. These book burners should be exposed for the aspiring tyrants that they are. The moment you turn your back on them is the moment they will stab you in it.
I’m a Scot and Anglo-Saxon to me has always been the Germanic migrants... everyone I know thinks this... id never even heard of W.A.S.P. before.
I only know what Wasp is because when I studied in America they told me I was an Wasp, I was so confused that I asked what it was.
They told me it was people like me White Anglo Saxon Protestants.
And that's wrong after all I'm a Catholic Latino.
They told me I didn't lock Hispanic, i answered that I wasn't Hispanic has I was Portuguese, a great part of us in southern europe are pale not the bronze color we are known for.(not all of us like to be in the scourging summer sun at 30 to 40°C )
Cris Teix nobody uses that word in the US either. The first time I heard it was from Chinese people explaining the term/acronym in Mandarin
Cris Teix If you’re Portuguese, than youre not “Latino” - you’re “Iberian”
Latino/Hispanic usually refers to people that are some mixture of (A) European, (B) Amerindian (those from Central & South America), (C) Subsaharan West African (those brought over originally via the slave trade)
Iberian people, conversely, are Europeans (obviously) and are usually some mixture of (A) Celtic + (B) Italic, Near Eastern, North African
@@salomez-finnegan7952 Latino refers to people which language and culture derives from Latin, so Spanish , Portuguese, Italian and French people are considered Latinos.
Hispanic refers to all Spanish speaking countries, I have seen people tell them that Brazilians are Hispanic and that is completely wrong. ( And don't you consider Spain Hispanic what?)
@@salomez-finnegan7952 And the Wasp thing was when innocent young me was speaking english with the mentality of a Portuguese, has in Portugal calling black is more racist that the n word, so let's say that bad things happened and a girl called my filthy racist Wasp and I asked my friends what Wasp whas.
From the UK here, and I've never heard it be used in a racist context (and was surprised to learn it is some places). Always known it as the people living in Britain during a certain period of time
33:21 ”... even if you're French. Just study this if you're interested."
Hey, I love this line.
In theory French are people too.
Keep fighting the good fight pal. Unfortunately the root cause for the institutional impetus that causes these kinds of articles to be written, will not yield to your well thought out and technical retort to their politically correct tantrums.
At the end of the day, all forms of tangible European Identity are targets for deconstruction and critique by vanguard ideological groups in academia, media, economic and cultural spheres. You are trying to counter this article with rationality and common sense, but the truth is these types of attacks are part of a bigger phenomenon. A phenomenon that is animated by a power structure that runs very deep. And it will take much more than rationality and logic to defeat.
His rationality and logic will appeal to the wider public and here on RUclips he is in the right spot to garner support.
There is no " tangible European identity" though, are Greek and Irish identities very similar despite both being European? they have very different customs, different religions, languages etc. The truth is while there is some overlap in terms of international agreements through the European union both nations retain their independence and lack an identity that is tangibly European.
However there is a movement which constantly espouses a victim mentality and claims that it is being oppressed through from immigrants which are not white and that every critique of their policies and beliefs is an attempt to silence them. They twist history to suit their narratives again and again, therefore it is important when criticizing the actions of those who wish to reframe history on the left not to let their attempts go by unchecked.
@@silverdeathgamer2907 he did say "all forms of european identity" not just european identity, and considering how strong european identity around the EU can be there is a european identity too though that's a bit different
@@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 My point is there is not enough similarities to say there is a European identity anymore than you can say there is an Asian identity, the identities of the people in various cultures in Europe are quite distinct. I think there is a desire by some to form a more federalized European union but I do not think you can say there is a pan-European identity yet.
@@silverdeathgamer2907 I would say that there are, to a degree, bits of the cultures of different parts of Europe that are shared by all of what we would see as modern European cultures in a similar way to sprachbund and some broadly shared institutions but that's not what I was talking about.
European is certainly an identity that many people believe in, especially, as far as I can find, among the sorts of people who say the sorts of things that were said in the article. This form of European identity that is viewed more from an outside perspective is kind of american and is basically synonymous with white and is essentially defined by vague impressions of racism etc. It's not a proper identity but it does seem to exist
It’s okay to be an Anglo-Saxon.
@De AIVD kijkt met u mee. errr... Do you mind explaining the message? I don't get it. 🤔🤔
Sounds faschy that.
Its not just ok its an honor
@Australian Eugenics Expert There is no such thing as Anglo-Saxon in a modern context.
@John MacDonald It's widely been used as an ethnonym for the English and their colonial descendants, which is why the whiner shown in the video is upset at the mere utterance of the term. Doesn't matter if someone thinks it's dubious, that's how it's been used. Not sure if you think it's because of genetic continuity, but if so Turks for example don't really resemble the original Turkic speakers genetically, however they've inherited some of their culture, still speak the language, and owe their ethnogenesis to them -- hence they continue to call themselves "Turks". Same is true for the English or their descendants.
Anglo Saxon history is some of my favorite things to learn about
13:01 “Englisc” and “Anglecynn” mean English which means “land of the Angles” so they are identifying them selves as Anglo, they proved their own argument wrong
I have never even heard of anyone calling "Anglo-Saxon" a problematic term... I've only ever heard it used in the historical sense...
Great Video. Thank you for your honesty and clarity. Also loved the 'even if you are french' comment.
I have observed that people who are so focused on racism, such as the writer, are in fact racist.
Anti-white*
@Amon Ra leftists? lots of people misuse periods in history for their own benefits. Lefts, rights, middles. Dont pigeon hole, or youre doing the same thing youre against.
@Amon Ra Original left stood for the redistribution of wealth.
Soviet union and China did a lot of "social experiments" which were supposed to bring comunist ideals to their nations, thats what happens when you give governments no restrictions what so ever.
But whatever those ppl who write such stuff are, they are nor communist nor classic left, nor even social democrats, they are "something" tho. They main thing they do is just anger everyone which actually leads to opposit resoults than conveing their 'ideas' and just generate a lot of money to anyone who owns those articles its a hot topic. You kinda cant move anywhere not to be struct with those stuff anywhere.
@@CarlosSanchez-my7zg
Okay boomer
@Amon Ra - No, that's not true.
You only need to get rid of it if your skin is pale :)
(Preemptive note: I do not believe this. This is sarcasm. This is meant to show the double standard of the Labour Party and it's supporters.)
If we are to apply the author's logic to other situations, it would mean that the constituent parts of the word "anglo-saxon" would also have to be banned. If I remember correctly, "England" comes from "Englaland" which means the land of the Angles, and places such as Wessex and Sussex as well as the German states of Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt and Lower Saxony all have an obvious relationship to the word "Saxon". By the author's logic, all of these places would also have to be renamed.
Yooo! I've applied to do ASNC next year! Hopefully the name doesn't change, arguing for it on basis of racial connotations is a symptom of a narrow view and the exact opposite of how racism should be fought even if it is agreed on the associations of the term.
Jonathan Kerl good luck with your studies!
@@MrMuel1205 Thank you!
@@PostingHywel Nice! Yeah I got one last month - gotta get A* A A and I'm in
@@PostingHywel Yeah alright, sounds good!
@@PostingHywel Yeah it's just my name with an _ in the middle
Sounds like someone just had their first run-in with a critical theorist.
Oh you mean a doctor of babyshit soft science?
The article is completely offensive and has no place in Cambridge.
Its offensive, sure. But that's not a good enough reason not to tackle the problem that it discloses. I'm an Anglo-Saxonist medievalist from Oxford, we don't have entire schools devoted to the early medieval northern Europeans as is the case at Cambridge, but we have our own "insular" network and we have grappled with this question in different ways and from different angles over the course of the last 10 years or so [since I first became a student]. The term Anglo-saxon is not, in and of itself, racist, I think most people can agree on this. Its a technical term used by specialist historians to refer to a multi-lingual and multi-ethnic demographic that occupied what is now England and which eventually united into a cohesive national grouping. Its useful to understand that the term also probably meant nothing to the average man and woman of the times, we cannot know how commonly people identified with the term since we have no record of it even in official documents before the reign of Alfred the Great around c.880 - there's a debate over its origin, and whether it was coined by the royal court to create a sense of solidarity and common destiny with the inhabitants of other kingdoms, or wheher it reflects common parlance, adopted by the court to benefit the increasingly dominant west saxon royal family in its official documentation. After the point of unification of England, however, royal documents stopped self-describing the people as Anglo-Saxon and began to use the term "English" [or englisc, if you want to be accurate]. Its at this point, circa 970, that you can begin to argue that the Anglo-Saxons stop existing, and they were replaced by another community, another political representation in the kingdom of the English. Historians do wrangle over how to describe this transition and how we distinguish between the two periods and the terms the people used to describe themselves on either side of that gap. It has become convention by many to simply describe all speakers of Old English in the British Isles as Anglo-Saxon between c.500 and 1100ce, and while this is a problematic habit in academia, as it brushes over changes in identity across the period, it is still thought to be most useful as it helps the general public, who are not trained in history, to take an interest in what happened in the region of England in that period [even using the term "England" is problematic, but that's a qustion for another day!].
It is the application of the term in this overgeneralised sense that has perhaps contributed to problems in the public sphere over the last century or two. Whether historians are careful in their language or not, whether they understand its subtleties or not, it is most certainly the case that outside academia, there are sections of the public, all over the world, who have adopted Anglo-Saxon to be a very general and even ethnic term of description for the "native inhabitants of England" and the countries which it created through emigration to former colonial possessions". This adoption, this abuse and misuse of technical vocabulary is a very real problem, it does have currency among some who want to make claims to natioinal supremacy or unique cultural and ethnic purity. This racial use of the term Anglo-Saxon is, however removed from the historical world of articles and research that I am trained in and accustomed to, very real and very dangerous, and I think it is actually important that historians, and especially those who work in fields correlating to Anglo-Saxon studies, play their part in shaping and policing the use of this vocabulary.
Historians almost fail to do their job if they lose control over historical concepts and language to groups who seek to abuse the past to impose themselves and their ideologies onto others in the present. I personally think historians have done quite a poor job of tackling this problem in both the USA and the UK over the last few decades, and have essentially withdrawn to their towers, allowing social media, the internet, and public fora, to become the louder and more important sources of authority on the past and on ideas relating to national origins and ethnicity. I say this as someone who has a PhD, and who is now obviously complicit in failing to shape the more dangerous narratives that are this very moment being spread online in the name of an "Anglo-Saxon" inheritance, so I am not at all saying this to lay blame on others and I cannot claim to have any answers. What I do think, however, is that the academic world must acknowledge the very different and fairly unmoderated, unsupervised, uncontrolled narratives and terms which are being used outside of the very slow moving and peer-reviewed stage of publication. Given the crisis of the past two weeks, and the movement for Black Lives Matter, in particular, I think it is actually very useful for historians as a whole to reflect on how our subjects actually have an impact on the world beyond ourselves, and what duty we may have in helping the public to understand the past with greater nuance and subtlety than has often been the case - goodness knows there is a vital need for historians to help the British to overcome some of their very complacent and self-congratulatory mythologising about the second world war, but that would be just one subject area among many, and including my own, which would probably benefit from a little more public engagement.
@@2meroyn Man, I'm sure you had plenty of knowledge to dispense...
But for the love of all that is sacred, chop up the two walls of text please.
Not gonna lie, when he starts saying multiple old English words in a row. Was really hot
I feel like the article was written by a American. (Coming from a American)
Ah a rare sight of an educated american is spotted on youtube 😂
Honestly im surprised that article exists
the article was definitely made by some gender studies leftist
Mo Tro I’m just honest my country has been on some bulls hit recently 😂
im sorry for this but its *an* american, again im sorry for this it just annoys me a bit. sorry
@@motro1301 oh we’re all “educated” now bro. Thats the problem. No industry so everyone had to go to college, but not everyone can cut it in the labs or libraries, so you get all these “humanities” departments making up nonsense because they need to keep “deconstructing” to have any hope of competing for funding with the guys who just figured out how to clone a rabbit and teach it kung fu.
Wait the term Anglo-Saxon is now racist??? I'm from Australia and I was taught that the Anglo-Saxons were between the periods of Romans occupation and then the viking occupation of Britain, Scotland and Wales.
There literally was a country and reigon named "Saxony"
By this logic, "African-American" is racist.
Quite a decent amount of outspoken "anti-racists" confuse descriptive words with racial stereotyping and racist ideals. White is ok because you "can't be racist towards white people", asian is too because that is the region, but african is racist because you describe them by their assumed origin when they might be african-american or whatever, calling them black is racist because now you just see their skin color. The most confusing part is that most of these really outspoken "anti-racists" are white, the ones who has to look for racial connotations in everything and point them out so people know to be shamed or so others know how wrong they are.
Its just dumb... Also, as a fun addition, wizard has been appropriated by racists in the KKK so if they play games, read fantasy books or watch fantasy tv-shows its obvious that they are consuming racist media. Because only racists can be wizards, you can't like lord of the rings and not be racist by this standard. Hell, the main wizard in that show comes back more powerful as "Gandalf the WHITE".
African American could be considered racist, in Britain if your black your still British, saying African American isn't that just assuming they are from Africa?
@@joshleafjl1 and america
Saxony still exists.
@@joshleafjl1 And are black people in America not Americans?
Words aren’t racist unless they are used in a racist way
Exactly, words are not racist, intent is
But sometimes words have such a racist connotation they are only used as slurs and can thereby be assumed to be racist
Actually not anymore. Legally in the U.K. at least a word is racist if a person feels it is. Intent no longer matters. Yes that’s the crazy world we now live in
@@richardb6216 did... did you just... DID YOU JUST SAY THE WORD INTENT..... I DEEM YOUR USE OF THAT WORD AS RACIST.
@@richardb6216 Are you sure? I am not British but I am pretty sceptical that such a law exists
This reminds me of a classic Dilbert saying: “When did ignorance become a valid point of view?”
I'm American, and I never knew about the racist meaning of anglo-saxon
There's a very similar argument about the use of the term Aryan, as in the people of Northern Iran (in history).
They can't cancel Aryan since Iran literally means land of the aryans cancel Aryan and you gotta also cancel and nation of 80 plus million
@@Mountain-Krd
Oh I wouldn't put it past them to try. Since when have the cancel culture mob ever been consistent in their thinking?
You know he's serious when he says even the French are free to come.
Is he related to Lindybeige?
@@peterknutsen3070 No but he is Dutch/English, the two countries which have the largest historical grudge against the French.
If people ban the term "Anglo-Saxon" then how the heck do we Brits refer to that period in time and the accompanying culture that existed between Roman Roman Britain and Norman Britain?!
How to we refer to the movement of the Germanic tribes, if not as the Anglo-Saxon migration? Or to refer to those tribes themselves?!
And why are we not getting rid of other tribal denotations like Celtic, Native American or Maori?!
I propose 'The Jutish Jaunt'
Movement of Germanic tribes, you say? Then it's obvious what the proper term is: Paleo-Nazis!
You're not supposed to be able to refer to it. You're not supposed to have history between Chedda Mane and Sadiq Khan.
Did you read the article in question?
Wakandan black was native of Britain. Not Anglo Saxon, not Norman, and also not Scottish. If you ask black nationalist or leftist
Hey, Hilbert,
I loved this video, as the argument he makes is actually one that is many aspects symbolic of the kind of abuse people receive just for wanting a serious discussion about English Devolution and other political reform. Assuming the worst, and more interested in complaining than providing a real solution to what seems to be a non-issue. You responded with finesse and dignity, and I wish we had more people like you in the world.
🙂 👍
"Assuming the worst, and more interested in complaining than providing a real solution to what seems to be a non-issue."
This is the crux of Critical Theories. CT actually can be ONE occasionally useful tool in your toolkit, but in modern times has become the be-all end-all way to examine and shape policy. By its very nature it doesn't provide answers or fix anything. When used judiciously, Critical Theory is meant to serve as a lens to examine things to see where shortcomings might exist, however glaring OR inconsequential. It's currently being abused by zealots to decry EVERYTHING as terrible (accusations of 'white supremacy' are currently en vogue) and blindly tear it all down, no matter the merits of the thing being targeted.
It's pretty disgusting and I hope that when society as a whole gets sufficiently weary of the Inquisition, the backlash comes swift and harsh on the grifters trying to cash in and earn a perverse prestige on social media out of this malicious behavior. It sucks that these bad-faith actors are present in schools in worrying numbers, conditioning new generations of youth to think this way.
This woke stuff is embarrassing everyone who actually fights for social justice, its so frustrating.
Honestly, most of the people who harp on about "SJWs" do so because of stuff like this. Whether they've been on the receiving end of "anti-racism" witch-hunts or they're part of a demographic these witch-hunts are being done in the name of.
Words like "diversity" and "inclusion" leave a bad taste in my mouth nowadays. Not because of what they mean, but because the people who preach about them the loudest seem to actually want "uniformity" and "exclusion".
@Thanos Wait... do they _not_ exist or exist as an exaggerated fringe element? :P
But seriously, both "sides" generalise and dehumanise the other by reducing them to their fringe elements, which ends up hurting actual people as collateral damage. Which further fuels the resentment and division I've been observing for nine years now.
@Thanos How do they not exist? Have you seen twitter? Have you seen antifa? Lmao
@@FamusJamus Communists aren't human anyways
@Thanos nah bro jaws be real and they toxic they’re all the people who are getting big mad over shit that has nothing to with them
Where does this end, saying the name, England is racist too?
Well, flying the St. George flag also gets labelled as "racist", too. These people abuse the term racism.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 let them do it. Eventually, enough moderate people will have been called racist, that the term loses most of it's relevance.
@@grubbybum3614 I mean the only people that actually care anymore about the term are the woke urban elite and the media.
Yes, since that means "land of the anglos/english" you cant have that! Every land belongs to everyone! But also the actual english were black!
@@algonzalez6853 where is the Dna evidence that british people are black? I see no r1b in africans... 😂
Coming to the party late, but I have always viewed the term Anglo-Saxon in a historical sense to represent post-Roman inhabitants of the British Isles. I live in Canada. I didn't even learn what "WASP" meant until last year.
Whenever someone says "tacit endorsement", I think: "Oh, so there's actually no connection. Thanks for playing."
Using obscure af words like that is just an attempt to seem intellectually superior when you don't actually have a case at all.
Who on Earth is trying to ban this word?
Left-wing ideologues.
Korewa Krusader someone who’s clearly offended by anything thats related to white european culture.
As Hillbert stated, associating White Anglo Saxon Protestant with institutional racism and evil establishment might be one of the factors.
A certain ethno-religious group from the Middle East, the name of the tribe rhymes with 'lose'.
It's part of a wider movement to defame and neutralize European ethnic identities because these are "hurtful and problematic" to "colonized" people and their self esteem. And everyone is sitting around and watching them do it.
Prefacing a few things before leaving a comment:
1) This is the second video of yours I've seen ever (first was When English kings stopped speaking French which I watched just before this one). I don't know much of anything about Europe between the fall of the Roman empire to the Renaissance, so I have no historical knowledge on the subject except what you have presented and what the article presented. I definitely appreciate learning new things from someone passionate, so so far so good.
2) I'm low 20s, black, and an American, for what it matters in regards to this discussion, which according to the article should be a fair deal.
3) I studied history in college. I also attend an Old Dutch Reformed Church, which is going through the same "crisis" regarding whether their very name is racist in of itself.
All that out of the way, let me start by saying that the premise of the article is bogus. The implication that a link between a term appropriated by American white supremacy and the name of your department is indicative of racism is as silly as implying that a Hindu Swastika is anti-semitic because Hitler stole it for Nazi symbolism.
However, there is one part of the article that you didn't address, and it is the probably the only important part, and the only thing worth seriously discussing and reflecting on.
"Mary Rambaran-Olm, one of the few women of colour in the field, resigned her second vice-presidency of ISSEME (then ISAS) last year, decrying discrimination and elitism, stating that there was no way we were going to be able to ’fix the multitude of problems in the field’. She has spoken at length about the gate-keeping she has encountered, including receiving a job rejection because of the department’s struggle to ‘justify that [she] was an Anglo-Saxonist’."
I've only done a quick google search on this situation, and while I feel like it is ridiculous to make all this hullabaloo over a name (It's not as if black people actually call ourselves Colored people anymore, yet the the NAACP still uses that term, and it does just fine for them), I don't think it's ever a bad thing to seriously take a look at how people are being treated when they are the only one standing out in a group. If the last line is true, and an (I'm assuming as a member of the organization) qualified scholar was rejected from a position because she couldn't be a certain ethnicity and be an historian of Anglo-Saxon history, then that would certainly be an issue worth addressing. You don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, even if 99% of this article is hogwash.
Still, I struggle to find a connection between medieval history and racism when the concept of race and racial supremacy as they are practiced today would have been absent from Medieval Europe, at least as far as I'm aware from my limited knowledge base. Dare I say, up until the full swing of slavery in the Americas, the distinctions between inferior and superior races was based more so on ethnicity than anything. Benjamin Franklin didn't consider Germans and Swedes to be white even after the Revolutionary War, and thought of them of as lesser stock than the British. A discipline can be completely insular to one "race" of people and still deal with the complexities of discrimination, suppression, and appropriation that the author of this article is attempting to position themselves against.
The concept of overarching racial categories is a uniquely American thing, which has unfortunately spread through cultural hegemony to the rest of the world. The “three races” concept was invented by racist “scientists” in the mid 19th century
Mrnevertalks thank you for bringing this up. Its nice to see that there is someone here that didn’t immediately devolve into nazi apologism and complaining about migrants.
Mrnevertalks excellent comment
Mrnevertalks I would say that your point shows how ridiculous all these discussions are and how we would be much better off trying to solve the world’s problems. Again: really well done
when i think anglosaxon i think of the english-ethnicity people people around the world (e.g. english descended australians, ethic english people, english descended americans etc) but also the culture those groups tend to have in common (e.g. they almost all use the westminster system) i myself am an "anglosaxon" australian though so that might influence my viewpoint
I am studying medieval literature at Uni, this is exactly the argument I've been having. I do not intend on giving up on the appropriate use of these terms. Bravo.
The part where he says the field “could benefit greatly from new and refreshing perspectives” sounds like he was denied entry to the department/ didn’t make the cut some how.
Moral of the story: keep your beak out of things you know very little about
One would think that was obvious...
Guess not.
I also looked into "Jack Durand" and if this is the same person, his Linked-In Profile states that he is a Third Year History Student at Girton College, Cambridge. So, when this Article was written, he would have been in his first or second year (I'm leaning more toward the former). That would definitely explain why his words didn't seem to come from a leading authority on the subject of Anglo-Saxon history, etc.
I'm german and here in Germany we know where the name comes from and we also recognize it in a historic context. I mean we still have places named after the people who lived there. Even the people living there today probably are in some way mixed descendents from historic saxons.
They are, places such as Mecklenburg and Brandenburg were the main areas that were settled by people from Medieval Saxony and Thuringia during the 11th, 12th and 13th Century. Creating an intermixed population of People with germanic and wendish heritage.
People with Saxon heritage can basically be found all over the northern Half of Germany.
Lower Saxony's state anthem is just an ode to Widukind and the brave Saxon warriors who fought against the Franks.
The ironic thing is the Angles homeland is the Angeln peninsula in modern day Denmark, not Germany.
I'm an American, and I've never heard WASP or Anglo Saxon used in regards to racism, I've always heard it used in reference to specific cultural and ethnic groups. I wish people would realize that not everything that has to do with white people and European cultures has to do with racism or white supremacy.
I've heard it that way and I'm American too. Maybe regional?
J W the first time I ever heard WASP was in an Irish documentary
Funnily enough, people labeled as WASP never used the term to refer to themselves. They just called themselves American, or some version of Protestant depending on the context (“Oh, I’m Baptist’s”, when asked). WASP, from my experience, is generally used to castigate and criticize the actions or general trends or culture of people living in America who happened to be white and Protestant. It’s mostly a term to paint white Americans as some sort of selfish evil, rather than any sort of identity these people would agree with or think of themselves.
Im american, and wasp is commonly used for rascism and white privelage. Anyone who hasnt heard that, just ignores it.
Carlos Sanchez no I’ve just literally never heard it and I don’t believe in that white privilege bullshit
As a History Student, you are in an excellent position to create creative history videos even if they are just based on your weekly lectures and tutorials. There are many of us who would love to study history at University Level as yourself but for various reasons are unable to do so (other commitments, costs, location etc). By the time you have finished your studies (Bachelor / Masters / Doctorate), if you present your material in a interesting and creative manner, you the potential of creating an incredible history channel. The Channel could even be used (in addition to published academic papers) to demonstrate that you have the ability to teach history when seeking employment. Additionally, the amount of additional research and repetition required to produce videos based on your studies will certainly help you pass your exams. I wish you luck.
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Some of my favourite sayings include:
* "one learns, one teaches",
* "when one teaches, two learn",
* "the best way to really learn is to teach someone else".
For the diaspora; you guys are holding the torch. You guys are keeping ASNAC heritage alive for English speakers the world over.
I'm an American Black and I agree with all your points!
My understanding of the term growing up was dual. It had a broad connotation of "white" but ultimately I think anyone who really thought about it would associate it with what we over here might think of as "Native Brits" e.g. Folks on the islands pre-1400
Anglo-Saxons are not Native to Briton 💀 that would be like saying the Latin Romans are Native to Briton who were the predecessors of the Anglo-Saxons. Also the Normans took over what would be today England. The only real culture indigenous there are Celtic Britons. "White" Americans and some English prefer Anglo-Saxon culture over their Norman conquerors simply because they're mainly of French heritage that has the Norse king known as Rolo.
I am Native American from Apacheria.
@@Ralfi_PoELA i mean what you're saying is true but it's not what we / common people learn from our cultural upbringing here for sure
@@kahlilbt its not THEIR job to educate you in fact it was never their intentions. In Northern Ireland they had a race war between the Irish and English and the English told the world it was due to "religion" while they posted bigoted tabloids about Celtic Irish people. All this happened in the 1970's I shit you not. Also its crazy that Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are seeking their independence very soon.
They will never teach you this stuff even though its there to be learned because it would make it harder on themselves to spin a narrative and then feel good about their heinous acts.
What's crazy if it wasn't for internet we would be more misinformed because normally text books and news articles will always be bias and have a narrative.
@@Ralfi_PoELAhow long does one have to live somewhere to be considered native then? The Celts weren’t originally native. They migrated around 800BC and “replaced” the beaker people. If someone today descends from the Anglo Saxons then they have roots in England that go back well over a thousand years
@@charliereader3462 there is a difference between a Native and Indigenous person. Also ive seen many programs where its a big deal in Britain when someone can trace their lineage to Anglo-Saxon lineage. I guess places that have so much conflicts and hostile invasions such as thr British isles, and Spain you would have to sit down with the people in that region to determine it. This happens in North America because there have always been migrations going to and from the Pacific and the same could be said for the Bering straight people.
thank you to mention the surpression of the celtic languages. My grandparents can still speak Brittonic but they have been punished and humilliated at school every time they spoke their mother tongue. It was so bad that my father never learned it from my grandparents. I try to learn it now. greetings from Breizh, trugarez!
Just doing a simple search “J Durand” is in the chemistry faculty of Bristol Uni. Think whoever this is should stick to their own field and stop politicising a field that they have absolutely nothing to do with.
Just more cancel culture
Anyway, thank you for a measured and factual response as always, Hilbert. I'm a historian myself, I study Jewish history when I'm not working, and boy have I encountered some fringe views over the years, everything from neo-nazi radicals who claim I am a slave to the Jews, to hasidic Jews who try to sabotage my interviews because they consider it forbidden for a non-Jew to interact with their more intimate religious moments. You can never please everyone in this line of work, so the most important thing is always to power through and not let anybody censor you.
To me, this reminds me of all the times someone yells out "Hey this thing is racist you should be upset" when nobody else has the view on it.
I am a swede so try tell me i cant use viking anymore,ill just show them what a viking is.
Remember when someone tried to ban runes?
Love the response
Before I read the title of this video I have never associated the term "Anglo-Saxon" with racism.
Even with the american WASP term, it just describes a group of people and their background. The people themselves may or may not be racist. In fact the majority of people are not.
nitehawk86 Ikr, its like saying "Im white, therefore im better" and someone says "you've ruined the word white now! You made 'white' racist!". I guess some people focus too much on individual words than the meaning as a whole
The world view that is being put forward here reminds me, uncomfortably, of the George Orwell novel 1984 with history being rewritten and the thought police. I am not happy with this direction that seems to be taken here. History, to me, needs to be studied in the context of the society as it was at the time if you are going to understand it. Right and wrong should be judged in the same context. We can learn from history and use the lessons in a modern context, but history has happened and it did so in the context of society at the time. We cannot , and we should not, try to change that. Rewriting, or censoring history, is a trait of a totalitarian state that we should avoid at all costs.
Well articulated.
agreed. people need to aproach history with the humility that it requires. it has become too common for people to try to judge the past from a perspective of moral superiority wich in turn makes any posibility of true understanding of a historical subject imposible.
sorry for my english, im not a native speaker.
During the riots here in Minneapolis, someone placed a copy of 1984 on a shelf in our break room. I walked in while there was a group talking about current events (global, local, 2020). I noticed the book, picked it up & mentioned something about it being a play book or insight. One guy laughed. It is still laying on that shelf & no-one admits to knowing who originally left it there. The timing of it showing up was interesting.
Remember Orwell's "1984" was a fictional story, NOT and instructional manual!
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say it is reminiscent of 1984 (It is a person imploring, not a government enforcing, the abandonment of this term). but it is certainly rather ridiculous
As an American 99% of the time Anglo-Saxon is used it is in the historical context of the post-roman Germanic peoples who settled in England. I'll be honest I've only heard the term WASP used 3 times in my life, once as a joking remark by my parents, once as a joke in a RUclips video, and once again here. I honestly don't know where the racism comes into this.
this is similar to my interest in vikings, asatru and runes. so many people assume I'm some kind of racist, just for being interested in history. it's sad.
edit: oh, now you're talking about the norse as well ^^ sorry
That's absurd and sad.
Thats what you think its sad and not the fact that european cultures are having a negative connotation is modern "culture"?
@@algonzalez6853 Does European culture have a negative connotation? I've never heard of that, or thought that way. We must live in different worlds or something. Here where I live, American culture has negative connotation, but that's because of US foreign politics, trash food, trashy TV series, fat people and monotone cities with square grids. US culture has a negative connotation because of _the state of affairs._ But I think people think highly of European culture, and most places around the world seems to think that as well.
@@Nabium how ironic seeing your original comment
@@algonzalez6853 how so?
You could have saved yourself 30 min and just responded to the article with something like "get bent"
He was trying not to bring the same kind of ignorance to his side, because that often does more damage than good.
The Scots take your ' get bent' and raise you a ' Awa' n bile yer heed ya bawbag'