some notes: firstly, i’m glad to see that the swain rework seems to have panned out nicely for him. he fills in an important niche so hopefully he becomes a staple midlane pick for solo queue going forward. on the other hand, i’m quite sad with what riot has done to aurora; she may still be a solid champion, but this iteration seems far less unique than her original design imo. lastly, i’m interested in seeing how viktor arcane’s upcoming rework will affect his placement in this tier list and whether he’ll be able to reach his former status as an evergreen midlaner again, especially seeing as he’s kind of fallen off over the past few years. as an aside, i was also somewhat surprised to see how many top lane champions you have in B tier; makes me wonder if we might see another meta shift soon with more tanks/bruisers going mid.
The top laners are all really good situational counters and also most people won't know what to play against them, in higher elos they fall off a bit though because the meta champs tend to do well into them
Hi Shok, do you have any tips for laning against strong early mages like aurora, ahri, leblanc or orriana as vlad? I feel like they can just zone me and then onehsot post 6 over and over again..
Maybe you could do a little "example Champ Pool" Section in your Tier List Videos. I know you have a video about it, but it could be a "flavor of the month" thing. Or a "What 3 champs would you play to have the best success in SoloQ". Because my next step after this video would be to think about what 3 champs to play the next weeks. And i kinda dont feel very confident in making the best decision there based on your tier list. Im an Orianna and Taliyah main atm, so i would i say i should blindpick Ori and pick Tali vs tanks or champs i counter. I personaly massivly struggle vs assassins so i think my third pick should be Lissandra or Ekko maybe. This could be a champ pool, but im not sure if its good. Leaving Ahri/Syndra/Akshan out as strong counter picks or ad options feels bad.
What runes do you run on Zoe? I usually go for electrocute ToB, eyeball,relentless and precision: absorb life, haste. I greatly appreciate any Zoe advice you have
what do you think is the problem with ryze in the current meta? i have been struggling a lot as a diamond ryze main but his wr has been +50% for a really long time now so lowkey feels like i just suck haha, been stuck in emerald this whole split
I actually play, syndra, akali, LB, and ahri at mid lane, did you thinks this champs pool is good ? And should i play more LB or akali i feel like akali is most easier to have impact with
I got d4 last season practically onetricking LB with ahri as secondary, so maybe my opinion will help: Leblanc is not worth playing unless you just really enjoy playing her (like i do). She is very easily countered by a lot of mids, making her extremely reliant on her jung in those matchups. She's got great gank setup, but ahri can do the same thing without the downsides. She's also hardcountered by a single MR item. Akali is straight-up better at assasinating sht with the added benefit of being able to duel slightly tankier opponents in the sidelane, making her almost always useful, ahri brings almost the same pick-ability without the downsides. Syndra R does more burst dmg than LB's entire kit. She's still hella fun tho.
@juhlian4255 yee, ty for your answer man, i also feel like LB is rlly fun to play but i want to be competitive, so i guess i would priotize Akali over LB, but as you say i thinks ahri IS OP, so im not rlly enjoying playing her, its feel so easy lol.
I have a question shok, why is someone like zyra not played mid at all ? she wants gold to carry, does crazy dmg, the only issue is gank prone, but if you play smart, you dont die to ganks, and champions like swain are also gank prone, so why is zyra not played mid ?
I think Zyra would get poked out by other mages, she's kinda short range so it will be hard to win lane vs Syndra/Ori type champs. And if you can't win lane as Zyra there's kinda no point, so just play Syndra/Ori/Hwei instead
Hey shok! Was thinking of mainly playing Sylas, Talon, and Smolder as of lately. What are your thoughts on this champion pool? I was also between switching sylas to akali or only go Yone and Sylas
Can someone explain to me why the tearabusers (ryze anivia kassadin) are so low? They feel to me like they just autowin, because they're practically unkillable from the start and ubeatable once they reach lvl 6. Maybe i'm missing some key counterplay tactic?
She is OP at basically every stage of the game, she used to primarily be a lane bully and not scale that well. Nowadays she scales super well, has a huge slow on her E for no reason and has a strong lane too
I gave syndra another chance on my smurf (emerald 2 flex q) and i must say if u go even in early game you are just so strong, the q e is just broken af follow with w q r just oneshot anyone
It´s kinda crazy how underrated Vel Koz keeps on being. This champion is one of the best Mages at using the 2 Precision Runes, he´s one of the best users of Horizon Focus which is the most powerfull AP Item currently, he has a great lanning phase and scales really well consistently having prio vs most champions in a 1v1 scenario/able to squikimish and the best mage at killing tanks in mid/late, his temmatic counters 3 out of the 4 champions in S tier plus almost half of what´s in A tier and he got early/mid game buffs recently I cannot understand how a champion that has so many arguments for it to be in high B / low A can be put in D it still baffles me how clueless people are about him, he´s a better verison of Xerath in everyway yet Xerath is in B and he´s on D xd
Its always so interesting to see western tier oriented meta tierlists considering champs like talon/yas/zed/qi are picked every single game where as akshan/syndra/ori are much more niche in KR/CN high elo.
I can't speak for china but if you look at high elo KR you will see a lot of these champs high on the list. When I was in korea I definitely saw more Yasuo but the rest pretty much never
If you were even right popularity does not equal strength, so if some otp is playing zed it does not mean zed is op or smth but just he likes it. Good ahri/ori/syndra still crushes good zed and is more useful throughout the whole game
They just look at wr and not actually think whos the best, vex is 55% we because she is obly played as a counterpick which inflates the wr@@andrija3511
Feel free to come ask your tierlist questions on my stream: twitch.tv/shoklol
some notes: firstly, i’m glad to see that the swain rework seems to have panned out nicely for him. he fills in an important niche so hopefully he becomes a staple midlane pick for solo queue going forward.
on the other hand, i’m quite sad with what riot has done to aurora; she may still be a solid champion, but this iteration seems far less unique than her original design imo.
lastly, i’m interested in seeing how viktor arcane’s upcoming rework will affect his placement in this tier list and whether he’ll be able to reach his former status as an evergreen midlaner again, especially seeing as he’s kind of fallen off over the past few years.
as an aside, i was also somewhat surprised to see how many top lane champions you have in B tier; makes me wonder if we might see another meta shift soon with more tanks/bruisers going mid.
I hated her original design of just terrorizing melee champs top then ulting as many people as possible and having that somehow be 75% of her job
The top laners are all really good situational counters and also most people won't know what to play against them, in higher elos they fall off a bit though because the meta champs tend to do well into them
hi Shok what is the reasoning for putting ryze so low ?
Hi Shok, do you have any tips for laning against strong early mages like aurora, ahri, leblanc or orriana as vlad? I feel like they can just zone me and then onehsot post 6 over and over again..
Maybe you could do a little "example Champ Pool" Section in your Tier List Videos. I know you have a video about it, but it could be a "flavor of the month" thing. Or a "What 3 champs would you play to have the best success in SoloQ". Because my next step after this video would be to think about what 3 champs to play the next weeks. And i kinda dont feel very confident in making the best decision there based on your tier list.
Im an Orianna and Taliyah main atm, so i would i say i should blindpick Ori and pick Tali vs tanks or champs i counter. I personaly massivly struggle vs assassins so i think my third pick should be Lissandra or Ekko maybe. This could be a champ pool, but im not sure if its good. Leaving Ahri/Syndra/Akshan out as strong counter picks or ad options feels bad.
oh thats why nemesis went aerys on ahri lately
What are your thoughts about anivia? Can you make a video about her? Builds, etc
What runes do you run on Zoe? I usually go for electrocute ToB, eyeball,relentless and precision: absorb life, haste.
I greatly appreciate any Zoe advice you have
@@brendilladederp he said aery into precision
Aery precision every game atm, manaflow transcendence scorch haste and cutdown
If you want game play of these rune pages and playing lichbane Zoe vs burst Zoe watch pekinwoof! His latest Zoe videos are all using this build.
I’m a really new player, I’ve been running Electrocute Sorc Ahri, will it feel better using Sorcery Precision rn?
Most likely yes, but you might want to take gathering over scorch if you feel like you can't use it enough
what do you think is the problem with ryze in the current meta? i have been struggling a lot as a diamond ryze main but his wr has been +50% for a really long time now so lowkey feels like i just suck haha, been stuck in emerald this whole split
Did you skip yone?
Is there ever a time to go phase rush on ori nowadays? What do you think about seraphs vs no seraphs? I find I have a lot more burst without seraphs
Do you think zed is viable in master plus? I am d1 trying to make it 100-200 lp masters this split
Do the runes for akali change at all?
Don't think so, still elec resolve
do you think ori is viable in low elo? i struggle to find as much value on her
Yes check out my unranked to master series
Orianna has an extremely high mastery curve even though she isn't 200 years. Ori had more or less 48% winrate all season but Ori mains have like 56%
what do you suggest for akali?
I think most akali's play electrocute resolve with either flatpen or lich bane rush
I actually play, syndra, akali, LB, and ahri at mid lane, did you thinks this champs pool is good ? And should i play more LB or akali i feel like akali is most easier to have impact with
I got d4 last season practically onetricking LB with ahri as secondary, so maybe my opinion will help:
Leblanc is not worth playing unless you just really enjoy playing her (like i do). She is very easily countered by a lot of mids, making her extremely reliant on her jung in those matchups. She's got great gank setup, but ahri can do the same thing without the downsides. She's also hardcountered by a single MR item. Akali is straight-up better at assasinating sht with the added benefit of being able to duel slightly tankier opponents in the sidelane, making her almost always useful, ahri brings almost the same pick-ability without the downsides. Syndra R does more burst dmg than LB's entire kit. She's still hella fun tho.
@juhlian4255 yee, ty for your answer man, i also feel like LB is rlly fun to play but i want to be competitive, so i guess i would priotize Akali over LB, but as you say i thinks ahri IS OP, so im not rlly enjoying playing her, its feel so easy lol.
I have a question shok, why is someone like zyra not played mid at all ? she wants gold to carry, does crazy dmg, the only issue is gank prone, but if you play smart, you dont die to ganks, and champions like swain are also gank prone, so why is zyra not played mid ?
I think Zyra would get poked out by other mages, she's kinda short range so it will be hard to win lane vs Syndra/Ori type champs. And if you can't win lane as Zyra there's kinda no point, so just play Syndra/Ori/Hwei instead
Hey shok!
Was thinking of mainly playing Sylas, Talon, and Smolder as of lately. What are your thoughts on this champion pool?
I was also between switching sylas to akali or only go
Yone and Sylas
Hmm I think you could have some difficulty blinding but overall for soloq it's not bad
Can someone explain to me why the tearabusers (ryze anivia kassadin) are so low? They feel to me like they just autowin, because they're practically unkillable from the start and ubeatable once they reach lvl 6. Maybe i'm missing some key counterplay tactic?
Is the Viktor rework gonna be like tha skarner one? Taking more time to finish than some whole games and being an utter disappointment?
Does anyone have a mid Corki guide? I often find myself in the spot with having to play AD and would like to learn
why is tristana a good counter to galio? coudl your laborste a bit more details :)
Hell yea, was waiting for this, love your tierlists
Thoughts on Viktor?
What makes Syndra that much easier?
She is OP at basically every stage of the game, she used to primarily be a lane bully and not scale that well. Nowadays she scales super well, has a huge slow on her E for no reason and has a strong lane too
I gave syndra another chance on my smurf (emerald 2 flex q) and i must say if u go even in early game you are just so strong, the q e is just broken af follow with w q r just oneshot anyone
It´s kinda crazy how underrated Vel Koz keeps on being. This champion is one of the best Mages at using the 2 Precision Runes, he´s one of the best users of Horizon Focus which is the most powerfull AP Item currently, he has a great lanning phase and scales really well consistently having prio vs most champions in a 1v1 scenario/able to squikimish and the best mage at killing tanks in mid/late, his temmatic counters 3 out of the 4 champions in S tier plus almost half of what´s in A tier and he got early/mid game buffs recently
I cannot understand how a champion that has so many arguments for it to be in high B / low A can be put in D it still baffles me how clueless people are about him, he´s a better verison of Xerath in everyway yet Xerath is in B and he´s on D xd
Its always so interesting to see western tier oriented meta tierlists considering champs like talon/yas/zed/qi are picked every single game where as akshan/syndra/ori are much more niche in KR/CN high elo.
? no one plays talon yas zed qi on euw master +? maybe every 50th game, its only ahri syndra ori sylas
I can't speak for china but if you look at high elo KR you will see a lot of these champs high on the list. When I was in korea I definitely saw more Yasuo but the rest pretty much never
If you were even right popularity does not equal strength, so if some otp is playing zed it does not mean zed is op or smth but just he likes it. Good ahri/ori/syndra still crushes good zed and is more useful throughout the whole game
@@voz1581 kr/cn disagree with you they value any assassin over any mage
What about Zeri mid?
Why is Veigar at the very bottom
Viktor isn't getting a mini rework but a full on VGU
great stuff
no ryze skin tier list....
That's my bad...
Let's go, been waiting for this 💪
Best tier list maker
leaving a comment for the algorithm and watched the video on 0.5 speed for more watch time ^^
Holy shit u are a real one
I would disagree on the LB take, good LB‘s just wait out your boneplsting or trigger it with a q and Q cd is lower than boneplating
The ppl have caught up to FREE 25 HASTE
Where is morde
It s a rough few patches to main Vex, all those S tiers make me wanna cry
Interestingly enough, Skillcapped put Vex in S tier, as top 2 midlaner (alongside Ahri).
His winrate is pretty high 6th highest on mid
No one will play them well unless you are high elo so doesn’t rly matter.
@@andrija3511 She is S tier as a counterpick but not as a blind
They just look at wr and not actually think whos the best, vex is 55% we because she is obly played as a counterpick which inflates the wr@@andrija3511
lulu might be d tier mid, but shok on full ap lulu mid is s+ tier
ON GROMP
Bro talked about everyone in s tier except akshan 😂
He did talk about akshan
Still sleeping on Viktor
Been rough times for kassadin for a while, he will be S tier next year for sure
YES SIR
FIRST
Ok I'm running sorcery on Kata and if anyone complains imma link this video xD