In June of 1937 a Tupolev ANT-25 made a 5,670 mile flight from Moscow to Vancouver Washington, where it arrived unexpected and unannounced after a 63 hour and 25 minute flight.
I actually really like the look of that plane. I've always lived the 110 series, and this version is more graceful and sleek looking. I still like the 410 more, but this one is pretty close.
I'll never get over how similar that planes fate was to that XB-70. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Its as if the grandkids killed themselves while reenacting how their grandparents died.
Another long range propaganda plane - the Antonov ANT-20: From Wiki..... "The ANT-20 was designed by Andrei Tupolev, using German engineer Hugo Junkers' original all-metal aircraft design techniques from 1918. It was constructed between 4 July 1933 and 3 April 1934, and was one of two aircraft of its kind built by the Soviets. The aircraft was named after Maxim Gorky and dedicated to the 40th anniversary of his literary and public activities. The ANT-20 was the largest known aircraft to have used the Junkers aviation firm's design philosophy of corrugated sheet metal for many of the airframe's key components, especially the corrugated sheet metal skinning of the airframe. The Maxim Gorky was meant as the flagship of the Maxim Gorky propaganda squadron - Maxim Gorky Agiteskadril - which flew around the Soviet Union promoting the aims and achievements of Soviet Communism."
keep digging these up presenting them with a slight toungue-in-cheek attitude... and I'll keep watching. (that isn't meant to be a threat by any stretch of the imagination. just a likeandcomment thing to appease the algo-deities of the tube-u-all)
The MiG-9 was often called the "parade fighter" because firing the plane's cannon armament would smother the air intake in smoke and stall and shut off the engines unless fired within very specific parameters. This was never fully rectified and really, the only value the plane had was as a tool for propaganda. There also was a giant interwar airliner design by Antonov (I believe) that was specifically designed to carry out propaganda flights into the far-flung reaches of Siberia and co. The plane even had a cinema aboard to enlighten the masses on the government of the "workers"...
Maxim Gorky was first to mind but the ME 209, He 100, Italian flying boats and the RAF long range flights and the USSR super long range Tupelovs are all of the same ilk.
When you mentioned that 'propaganda' has a negative meaning, is because positive one is being called 'public relations' nowadays, while being the same thing
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Tupolev ANT-20 comes to mind... A bit slow (a bit of an understatement there), but really yuuuuge. Also had loudspeakers, a movie projector and a printing press for - you guessed it - propaganda purposes!
I simply like to remind people of the link between the words 'propaganda' and 'propagate'. In my experience once people make that link, it becomes a lot easier to get people to think about it in the manner described at the start of this video. (As not all propaganda is equal, I really want people to look at any given piece of propaganda in itself, rather than just write off any and all of it. Getting people to think about the very concept in more neutral terms is key to that.)
In my country, in the 70s and 80s, the tv ads were literally called epp - economic propaganda programme, but we perfectly understood what a political propaganda was, especially the soviet one, but any in principle..
@@dannyboy-vtc5741 Personally, my goal is getting people to think critically about any one thing, any and all things if I am being honest. In the case of a given piece of propaganda it means asking things like "what is the agenda here?" "what are they leaving out?" "are the external sources that can verify any of what they claim" and so on. Even if the answers for a given group of propaganda (e.g. the political bull of the ussr or ccp) are all more or less similar. It is good mental exercise. Critical thinking is not an innate talent we are born with, it is a learned skill. And like any skill, it requires constant use else it gets rusty. Just one example I like to point at is the Katyn massacre. German propaganda at the time, actually correctly blamed the soviets for this. While soviet and (at least the earlier) western propaganda on the matter would blame the Germans for this (granted, considering what the Germans did during that period to so many other peoples, I can understand why they made obvious scapegoats for this one). The truth of the matter only being properly brought to light many many years later. Which brings up another thing that I try to stress to people. That being the need to reexamine all of any "known" history as more and more information becomes available over time. From archives being translated, to new historical discoveries, to the information provided by archaeological interpretation of both new and old sites. Perhaps the new evidence supports the old interpretations, perhaps it upends them completely, or even something inbetween.
@@whyjnot420 funny enough, soviets also didn't think of propaganda in a negative or more extreme way, for that they had a better word, agitation - agitacija, often used together with propaganda as agitprop, but they also considered it as a positive term when propping their own agenda, their political posters about their achevements of communism were officially classified as agitprop.
@@dannyboy-vtc5741 Propaganda is a great tool to use when you are trying to get your idea/agenda into the minds of people who are not that familiar or not at all familiar with it. Of course it can be used for more than that. But when I think of the less extreme use cases, that is what I am thinking of. An example would be the kind of pamphlet or whatnot that a manufacturer would produce in order to get on the minds of the people in charge of a government contract (similar to a regular ad, but aimed at people in for example, military procurement... not that I'm a warmonger, but I don't see anything inherently bad about using propaganda like this). It is a tool. A tool can be used well, poorly misused, used the wrong way or even in new ways both good and bad.
Good channel. I enjoy your presentations. I can’t resist pointing out that the two soldiers sitting on the nose and outside the cockpit appear to be American GIs. One of these ac did survive the war.
From the forward three-quarter view [4:30] the port and starboard props appear to be opposites. That is, they rotate in different directions. This configuration counteracts prop-induced torque. P-38s had this.
@@javiergilvidal1558 The DB-606 led to the DB-610 but was superseded by gas turbine engines almost as soon as it was built. The Rolls Royce Vulture and the twin gas turbine Armstrong Siddeley Double Mamba were similar in concept.
@@allangibson8494 *Some* P-38Es ordered for the British and French were to have RH-only engines for logistics commonality. There was some contractual haggling between the Air Ministry and Lockheed They wanted to cut the contract. Lockheed held them to it.The RAF only got three, before Pearl Harbor happened and the USAAF requisitioned most of them. The non-counter-rotating Lightnings [Lightning Mk I] performed poorly. The RP-322 planes [as they were termed -- R for restricted] were used for training Stateside. They had a mean tendency for snap torque on take off. Most shipped to the AAF units in the Pacific were restored to P-38E configuration [LH & RH Allisons.] The Lightning II was a P-38E. The Wikipedia account is pretty involved. I haven't untangled it, but we're not here to discuss the P-38. There are enough venues for that. This is about the Me-261.
The engines where coupled differantly, on the ME 261 they are side by side, on the HE 177 they are in a row one behind the other, and that is what was causing the cooling problems.
Regardless of the BF 261's unsuitability for a combat rôle,it's being capable of ranging for 12,000 miles was astounding for the time,and had Germany developed the concept into long range heavy bombers,perhaps WW2 would have taken on an entirely different dimension.
unlikely looking at what people where in charge and who made the final decisions. it`s always the same story. with the Me-262, the Sturmgewehr, Tank development. anything that involved getting government contract on the basis of being buddies with some NS Higher-ups. not to mention that there was simply no necessity for such a weapon until the very end and even then more out of desperation and getting even rather than any real military goal to expand on.
-The Me 261 would have had devastating effects on the allied war effort purely through two functions alone. 1 Long range reconnaissance and weather reporting and 2 courier and passengers transfers between Germany and Japan and maybe South America. -U boats would have had exact locations of convoys, their headings, the power of their escorts, information in their radio communications. They would have had accurate weather forecasts. There simply would be no need for guns, not more than there was a need for guns on a Mosquito. -Exchange of technology, intelligence and personnel between Japan and Germany. The Japanese had magnetron radar before the British, the Germans had better radar but lacked magnetrons. The Germans had jet engines, rockets and synthetic fuel technology. Both had nuclear research.
@@sinisterisrandom8537 Messerschmitt AG was founded on 11 July 1938 out of BFW with Willy Messerschmitt as director. Construction of the prototypes began in spring 1939. First flight in December 1940. I would regard it as a Me. Some preliminary design studies had been done in 1937 by BFW.
@@williamzk9083 All valid points, but I think the appearance of the 261 would have resulted in an allied response, be that more CAM ships, MAC ships, or even VLR Liberators optimized for air to air combat. The Allies industrial superiority meant that any new Axis threat would be matched pretty quickly with something either nearly as good - but sometimes better - and in very large numbers.
Propaganda has religious roots. Propaganda is the systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause. A committee of cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church (Congregation de Propaganda Fide, ‘for propagating the faith’) was charged with the management of missions, established the college of the Propaganda, instituted by Urban VIII in 1622 to educate priests for missions in all parts of the world.
The fact that the antisemitism was toned down for the Olympics just shows how evil they were. They were very well aware that what they were doing was amoral and looked bad.
The Me 261 shared nothing with the Me110 besides its basic configuration and manufacturer. This is like saying that the B-29 was just a scaled up B-17.
Thanks. I didn't know this airplane. A propaganda plane would have been the Douglas World Cruisers of 1923: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_World_Cruiser Then there was the Spirit of St. Louis. Lots of airplanes were developed for setting records--and that activity had propaganda value. How many examples do you want?
Think it it looked really good even though it was a Scaled up Me110 an its undercart looked a bit to much , Good vid an I now call you Mr Rollercoaster as your voice goes up n down..
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In June of 1937 a Tupolev ANT-25 made a 5,670 mile flight from Moscow to Vancouver Washington, where it arrived unexpected and unannounced after a 63 hour and 25 minute flight.
I actually really like the look of that plane. I've always lived the 110 series, and this version is more graceful and sleek looking. I still like the 410 more, but this one is pretty close.
Its crazy to think about just how huge the range of the 261 was. You could fly it to Argentina directly.
There's another plane made purely for propaganda, the Soviet plane Maxim Gorky.
I'll never get over how similar that planes fate was to that XB-70. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Its as if the grandkids killed themselves while reenacting how their grandparents died.
look up the commando solo
@@Unholy_Holywarrior aka the EC-130J. Also of note are the EC-121s that came before (aka Coronet Solo).
At the end of the day, all military aircraft serve as a form of propaganda in their own right.
Over 5,500 miles... In 1946, the "Turtle," a USN P2V-1 11,237 miles, nonstop. Perth, Australia to Columbus, Ohio.
Another long range propaganda plane - the Antonov ANT-20:
From Wiki.....
"The ANT-20 was designed by Andrei Tupolev, using German engineer Hugo Junkers' original all-metal aircraft design techniques from 1918. It was constructed between 4 July 1933 and 3 April 1934, and was one of two aircraft of its kind built by the Soviets. The aircraft was named after Maxim Gorky and dedicated to the 40th anniversary of his literary and public activities. The ANT-20 was the largest known aircraft to have used the Junkers aviation firm's design philosophy of corrugated sheet metal for many of the airframe's key components, especially the corrugated sheet metal skinning of the airframe.
The Maxim Gorky was meant as the flagship of the Maxim Gorky propaganda squadron - Maxim Gorky Agiteskadril - which flew around the Soviet Union promoting the aims and achievements of Soviet Communism."
Good shout!
Fairey Long Range Monoplane and Bristol 138A. No real purpose other than a technology demonstrator to promote sales and fly the flag.
keep digging these up
presenting them with a slight toungue-in-cheek attitude...
and I'll keep watching.
(that isn't meant to be a threat by any stretch of the imagination.
just a likeandcomment thing to appease the algo-deities of the tube-u-all)
The MiG-9 was often called the "parade fighter" because firing the plane's cannon armament would smother the air intake in smoke and stall and shut off the engines unless fired within very specific parameters. This was never fully rectified and really, the only value the plane had was as a tool for propaganda.
There also was a giant interwar airliner design by Antonov (I believe) that was specifically designed to carry out propaganda flights into the far-flung reaches of Siberia and co. The plane even had a cinema aboard to enlighten the masses on the government of the "workers"...
fantastic channel loved every single one of your videos!
cya!
nice find! a pretty rare/unknown machine indeed!
Maxim Gorky was first to mind but the ME 209, He 100, Italian flying boats and the RAF long range flights and the USSR super long range Tupelovs are all of the same ilk.
When you mentioned that 'propaganda' has a negative meaning, is because positive one is being called 'public relations' nowadays, while being the same thing
Time to search the internet for a model kit i can build.
Maybe V-3 is in South America?
If a BF-110 and a Focke-Wulf 200 love each other very much ...
the 1984 OLYMPIC TORCH Passed Our Home on Lakewood Blvd Next to Rockwell Int, I built the "Curtain Walls" or double glazed, vacuum between, Niose Proofed Glass for LAX terminal outside views! and the 84 LAX up Grade for the 84 Olymics, still there TODAY! with the New 2023/25 Remoldle at LAX!
Tupolev ANT-20 comes to mind... A bit slow (a bit of an understatement there), but really yuuuuge. Also had loudspeakers, a movie projector and a printing press for - you guessed it - propaganda purposes!
I simply like to remind people of the link between the words 'propaganda' and 'propagate'. In my experience once people make that link, it becomes a lot easier to get people to think about it in the manner described at the start of this video.
(As not all propaganda is equal, I really want people to look at any given piece of propaganda in itself, rather than just write off any and all of it. Getting people to think about the very concept in more neutral terms is key to that.)
In my country, in the 70s and 80s, the tv ads were literally called epp - economic propaganda programme, but we perfectly understood what a political propaganda was, especially the soviet one, but any in principle..
@@dannyboy-vtc5741 Personally, my goal is getting people to think critically about any one thing, any and all things if I am being honest. In the case of a given piece of propaganda it means asking things like "what is the agenda here?" "what are they leaving out?" "are the external sources that can verify any of what they claim" and so on.
Even if the answers for a given group of propaganda (e.g. the political bull of the ussr or ccp) are all more or less similar. It is good mental exercise. Critical thinking is not an innate talent we are born with, it is a learned skill. And like any skill, it requires constant use else it gets rusty.
Just one example I like to point at is the Katyn massacre. German propaganda at the time, actually correctly blamed the soviets for this. While soviet and (at least the earlier) western propaganda on the matter would blame the Germans for this (granted, considering what the Germans did during that period to so many other peoples, I can understand why they made obvious scapegoats for this one). The truth of the matter only being properly brought to light many many years later. Which brings up another thing that I try to stress to people. That being the need to reexamine all of any "known" history as more and more information becomes available over time. From archives being translated, to new historical discoveries, to the information provided by archaeological interpretation of both new and old sites. Perhaps the new evidence supports the old interpretations, perhaps it upends them completely, or even something inbetween.
@@whyjnot420 funny enough, soviets also didn't think of propaganda in a negative or more extreme way, for that they had a better word, agitation - agitacija, often used together with propaganda as agitprop, but they also considered it as a positive term when propping their own agenda, their political posters about their achevements of communism were officially classified as agitprop.
@@dannyboy-vtc5741 Propaganda is a great tool to use when you are trying to get your idea/agenda into the minds of people who are not that familiar or not at all familiar with it.
Of course it can be used for more than that. But when I think of the less extreme use cases, that is what I am thinking of. An example would be the kind of pamphlet or whatnot that a manufacturer would produce in order to get on the minds of the people in charge of a government contract (similar to a regular ad, but aimed at people in for example, military procurement... not that I'm a warmonger, but I don't see anything inherently bad about using propaganda like this).
It is a tool. A tool can be used well, poorly misused, used the wrong way or even in new ways both good and bad.
Good channel. I enjoy your presentations. I can’t resist pointing out that the two soldiers sitting on the nose and outside the cockpit appear to be American GIs. One of these ac did survive the war.
Interesting
I was speculating that the missing one flew to Buenos Aries direct with some very High Party Members...
I wonder if there would be any way to verify which model it is that these apparent GI’s are sitting on?
From the forward three-quarter view [4:30] the port and starboard props appear to be opposites. That is, they rotate in different directions. This configuration counteracts prop-induced torque. P-38s had this.
And He 177, with the same engines
Some P-38’s had this.
The British Lightning’s didn’t.
@@allangibson8494 I doubt any P-38 variant ever had four engines (or two pairs of coupled ones)
@@javiergilvidal1558 The DB-606 led to the DB-610 but was superseded by gas turbine engines almost as soon as it was built.
The Rolls Royce Vulture and the twin gas turbine Armstrong Siddeley Double Mamba were similar in concept.
@@allangibson8494 *Some* P-38Es ordered for the British and French were to have RH-only engines for logistics commonality. There was some contractual haggling between the Air Ministry and Lockheed They wanted to cut the contract. Lockheed held them to it.The RAF only got three, before Pearl Harbor happened and the USAAF requisitioned most of them. The non-counter-rotating Lightnings [Lightning Mk I] performed poorly. The RP-322 planes [as they were termed -- R for restricted] were used for training Stateside. They had a mean tendency for snap torque on take off. Most shipped to the AAF units in the Pacific were restored to P-38E configuration [LH & RH Allisons.] The Lightning II was a P-38E.
The Wikipedia account is pretty involved. I haven't untangled it, but we're not here to discuss the P-38. There are enough venues for that. This is about the Me-261.
And imagine all the truoble these engines gave in the ME 177. Wonder how they made them work here.
He 177, not Me 177. The flying cigar was a Heinkel product.
The engines where coupled differantly, on the ME 261 they are side by side, on the HE 177 they are in a row one behind the other, and that is what was causing the cooling problems.
@@1959Edsel Sorry, my bad. ;o)
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Finally gets to the point at 3:10
Regardless of the BF 261's unsuitability for a combat rôle,it's being capable of ranging for 12,000 miles was astounding for the time,and had Germany developed the concept into long range heavy bombers,perhaps WW2 would have taken on an entirely different dimension.
unlikely looking at what people where in charge and who made the final decisions. it`s always the same story. with the Me-262, the Sturmgewehr, Tank development. anything that involved getting government contract on the basis of being buddies with some NS Higher-ups. not to mention that there was simply no necessity for such a weapon until the very end and even then more out of desperation and getting even rather than any real military goal to expand on.
-The Me 261 would have had devastating effects on the allied war effort purely through two functions alone. 1 Long range reconnaissance and weather reporting and 2 courier and passengers transfers between Germany and Japan and maybe South America.
-U boats would have had exact locations of convoys, their headings, the power of their escorts, information in their radio communications. They would have had accurate weather forecasts. There simply would be no need for guns, not more than there was a need for guns on a Mosquito.
-Exchange of technology, intelligence and personnel between Japan and Germany. The Japanese had magnetron radar before the British, the Germans had better radar but lacked magnetrons. The Germans had jet engines, rockets and synthetic fuel technology. Both had nuclear research.
Was this craft made by BF. Or ME
@@sinisterisrandom8537 Messerschmitt AG was founded on 11 July 1938 out of BFW with Willy Messerschmitt as director. Construction of the prototypes began in spring 1939. First flight in December 1940. I would regard it as a Me. Some preliminary design studies had been done in 1937 by BFW.
@@williamzk9083 All valid points, but I think the appearance of the 261 would have resulted in an allied response, be that more CAM ships, MAC ships, or even VLR Liberators optimized for air to air combat.
The Allies industrial superiority meant that any new Axis threat would be matched pretty quickly with something either nearly as good - but sometimes better - and in very large numbers.
USSR's Maxim Gorky
It would be interesting to have a video on how different countries used propaganda leaflets during WW2.
Very clear, comprehensive presentation.
"Drop propaganda leaflets in the continental US" Toilet paper from heaven.
Kind of like a Bf110- Do17 hybrid. Elegant.
The Tupolev ANT-20 "Maxim Gorky" was basically a Soviet propaganda machine, complete with loudspeakers & movie projector...
Propaganda has religious roots. Propaganda is the systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause. A committee of cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church (Congregation de Propaganda Fide, ‘for propagating the faith’) was charged with the management of missions, established the college of the Propaganda, instituted by Urban VIII in 1622 to educate priests for missions in all parts of the world.
The fact that the antisemitism was toned down for the Olympics just shows how evil they were. They were very well aware that what they were doing was amoral and looked bad.
Hit the nail there
The Me 261 shared nothing with the Me110 besides its basic configuration and manufacturer. This is like saying that the B-29 was just a scaled up B-17.
Wee Willy Messerschmitt was always trying to compensate with bigger things!
I owned Car Zeiss Jena Sonnar 180mm f/2.8 lens, model made for this Olimpics, actualy few shots from video were taken with it.
All in all, I love this plane. My favorite part is the landing gear. Nice and solid.
I think the He 100 was also used for propaganda purposes, although maybe not exclusively.
How close does it to a Mozzie ! ? but not being of light wood, not really a good comparison. Bf 110 = Herman's Folly , Me 261 = child of such.
Quick question, does the this plane have toilet?
Thanks. I didn't know this airplane.
A propaganda plane would have been the Douglas World Cruisers of 1923:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_World_Cruiser
Then there was the Spirit of St. Louis.
Lots of airplanes were developed for setting records--and that activity had propaganda value. How many examples do you want?
Tupolev ANT 20 ''Maksim Gorky'' - also a propaganda aircraft
nice story homi
what about the heinkel he 113 wasent that a propaganda plane?
The Maxim Gorrkeywas a propaganda plane for the USSR
I liked your oman of Hitler's career!
Russia had a couple propaganda planes, like that giant one, can´t remember the name though...
The announcer sounds like entertaining a bunch of mentally desadvantaged persons.
Think it it looked really good even though it was a Scaled up Me110 an its undercart looked a bit to much , Good vid an I now call you Mr Rollercoaster as your voice goes up n down..