Dune - Paul's fight against Jamis vs his fight against Feyd-Rautha
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- Scene comparison of Paul's fight / duel against Jamis in Dune Part One (2021) and Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen in Dune Part Two
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Okay, so some things I've noticed:
1) Paul seems to directly adopt from Jamis the 'thumping hand against the chest' gesture (unconfirmed).
2) Paul also seems to adopts from Jamis the "may thy knife chip and shatter" saying (unconfirmed).
3) When Paul fights Jamis, Stilgar claims that he is toying with Jamis. When Paul fights Feyd, Feyd is the one doing the toying (e.g. "pet"). It could also be a subtle symbolic throwback to demonstrate that Feyd is not familiar with some of the Fremen laws of Arrakis and moral lessons Paul has taken in - :when you take a life, you take your own" and "there is no yielding under the untal rule, only death is the test of it." It's important, because on the Geidi Prime arena Feyd was toying with the Atreides soldier in a way that demonstrates he does not treat death with seriousness - to the Harkonnens people are pawns to be used, killed, or to provide pleasure..."only pleasure remains." But Arrakis is not a planet of pleasure, as "God created Arrakis to train the faithful."
4) Both duels occur because Paul wishes to enter a new social role - into the Fremen Tabr tribe, and into the role of Emperor of the known universe.
5) Paul wins both duels using techniques passed down to him by Gurney Halleck (at least to my observation, though would be glad to be proved wrong if so).
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Nice observation
It's a bit badly explained in the movie, but the Jamis fight was Jamis challenging the legitimacy of Jessica as a Sayyadina, a cleric of sorts. Paul defended her as her champion since under Fremen rules a Sayyadina is not allowed to fight directly. Jamis knew Paul would champion her, in fact he challenged her deliberately to fight Paul because he had knocked him down earlier, he just wanted revenge for his humiliation. In this test, the amtal, surrender is not allowed, only death will show the truth and falsity. In the book the Fremen were actually willing to take on Paul, since he was young, but otherwise you're correct that he is able enter into Fremen society through the duel.
The movies reference that visions of Jamis teaching him the ways of the Desert in an alternate future, and that in that future they were friends. It's strange that they omitted that from the movie, since the next scene is Jamis' funeral where Paul gets respect from the Fremen for crying over Jamis' death. In the funeral everyone says "I was a friend of Jamis" and relates a story about him, to help his spirit go to the afterlife. Paul could have lamented here the alternate future where they were actually friends. I'ts strange such a scene was not in the movie. It really starts to make Paul a sort of legend among the Fremen.
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Idk how I never realized Paul got “may thy knife chip and shatter” from Jamis. I always thought it was apart of the ritual that he and Duncan do with the knife to the chest and then forehead
The chest pounding too! He learnt a lot from Jamis
@@caddycottan1697 he truly showed him the way of the desert
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If Feyd fought Jamis, I think that Feyd would've won.
I even think feyd maybe will win vs gurney, because gurney looked old maybe he will run out of stamina
It would have been cool to see how jamis would have taught Paul like he saw in his visions
I know its nowhere near the beauty or epic spectacle of THIS version. But i recommend anyone who hasn't seen it watch the scifi version of this. Its in 3 parts. Here on RUclips.
Feyd v. Paul is such a stupid fight. Paul gets his ass fatally stabbed twice all for a cheap fake out. Of course in the story he lives, because the script says so, but in real life he's fucking dead. Two stab wounds up to the hilt. Even if they miss all his organs, he's dying of shock and internal bleeding within minutes. The worst thing is he walks away without even acknowledgement of getting stabbed.
you don't know what you are talking about. Knife wounds, even deep wounds do not always have to be fatal, and unlike gunshots don't tear the surrounding tissue so shock is much less likely. If Feyd did not hit any arteries or organs Paul is unlikely to bleed out from just flesh wounds.
@@guyanon watch the movie. He gets stabbed twice with a foot long blade through his body up to the hilt. It penetrates him all the length of the blade both times. That's a massive wound both times. And also you don't know what shock is. It's a lack of oxygen to your cells and can be caused by a lot of things: stress particularly to the heart, bleeding, allergic reaction, diabetes, a punctured lung, any sort of stressful situation. You're just wrong and Paul is dead.
@@psevdhome another day of dumb Dune takes like this
@@Douio Dumb Dune takes of pointing to reality and saying this isn't it. If Paul is supposed to live, don't give him fatal wounds. Simple as that. And I stand by my statement that this fact exists only to serve as a cheap audience shock.
In the books its stated bene gesserit can control most of their bodily functions including blood flow and since he had all the memories of centuries of reverend mothers that is something he would be able to do with relative ease. Ofc its not something that’s exactly painless because he is limping bad af after getting stabbed twice and this is also like 30,000 years in the future if you get stabbed and survive long enough for treatment its probably the same as getting putting a bandaid on a scrapped knee