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I mean, chemical warfare wasn't even his idea, the Entente Powers were doing it before Germany did. And you're deluding yourself if you think it's any less horrible to be blown up by a conventional artillery shell and NOT immediately die. At the end of the day, I think he saved a hell of a lot more lives than he took. And the fact he was openly pro-democracy and antifascist has gotta mean something too, even if it didn't amount to much.
He intended to shorten the war (which already was a stalemate at this point) with chemical weapons, so it's hard to say his intentions were evil. The fact that these weapons were not as effective in practice as expected, is more because of the difficulties of exploiting a breakthrough correctly. The fact that chemical weapons only made the war more cruel, was not by design. On the other hand, half of us probably would not exist if it wasn't for ammonium synthesis.
I studied chemical engineering in college and to me, well Fritz Haber is still a benefactor because, beyond his work on nitrogen gas and ammoniac stand the work on gas reaction, allowing as of today people to eat to their fill (still, the hydrogen production could be improved but that's not today topic) and also to open things like, like cleaning coal (to an extend) and waste burning plants of ashes and dangerous materials (it is a gas-solid reaction, just like the Haber-Bosch process). Also another fact about chemical warfare, phosgene which was a gas developed by the allies is still used as of today to produce plastics (there even was a phosgene leak in a factory were the workers suffered the same symptoms as the one Indy described about the first chlorine gas attack, luckily the plant was shut before the accident) And one last thing, Fritz Haber supervised in his institue the project for a new pesticide for fumigation, called and the name brings even more shiver than chlorine gas, Zyklon A.
i think that one's inventions should cast a light on person not the usage of these inventions. yeah sure Haber had done a lot for a chemistry and all we still benefit from his inventions. his actions in that conflict should not be judged from our perspective in full. i think that one can be both
Fritz Haber : invented poison gas warfare, but saved mankind from starvation. Wernher Von Braun : had death camp slaves built missiles to launch at London, but paved the way in space exploration like no one before. Enrico Fermi (and the whole Manhattan Project scientists) : built a weapon of mass destruction and turned 200.000 japanese civilians into dust in a flash, but harnessed an extremely powerful and clean energy. Archimedes : build siege weapons and used mirror as death rays to set wooden ship ablaze, but also did groundbreaking studies in physics, mathematics, astronomy... (just to name a few) Science is not bad or evil. science discovers the means, but it's up to mankind to define the uses.
As a german chemist I definitely learned a lot about Fritz Haber. The Haber-Bosch process is a very instructive reaction which is great to teach basic understandings of the chemical equilibrium and basic thermodynamics. Its importance in economy is even greater. From a chemical standpoint of view the nobel prize to Haber was more than deserved. But still its just as important to learn about the other side of Haber. He is the perfect example of what chemistry can do: it can change the world to a better place AND it can kill ten thousands of people. I think every chemist needs to know what kind of responsibility comes with this profession.
A great explanation and thought process to look at it, he's indeed a perfect example of the duality of what Mankind as a whole is capable of, and how close the balance is between a positive thing and negative outcome,
As human being we have the power to do both good and evil. Both proclivities live within us. And another thing is we are autonomous individuals, how will we carry ourselves forward in the world? Knowing Good and Evil.
@@SunRayz3r I don't mind that too much. Fits the theme in this case I think. The problem I'd have is that all the other songs on the EP are recent releases. I understand they work around a theme, or concept, but a couple older songs would've been nice in this case I think.
@@wat8437 He's saying "phosgene and Yperite, which is also known as mustard gas" at 09:15. The (French) name Yperite (as many readers would likely guess) refers to the battle of Ypres, where mustard gas was used for the first time.
My dad meet a guy who served in ww1. The guy was in a gas attack and only had a quarter of one lung left. He shared a cigarette with him before he found that out.
My great grandfather only had 1 quarter of his lung functioning after serving in Burma ww2. not chemical warfare I know but its insane how much the human body can technically endure before becoming totally dysfunctional.
A new song? *Give it to me NOW* EDIT: I really like how Sabaton is going into the scientific perspective of warfare, it is definitely just as important as the concept and subjects of war itself
Back in 2016/2017 I did a project for my Dual enrollment High-school history class over the Second Battle of Ypre. Way before I even heard of Sabaton. And I went down the rabbit hole of chlorine gas and Fritz Haber. I remember reading one soldier recount the event. He was on the ground and saw people choking on the gas, some soldiers tried to drink muddy water to help their burning throats, only to die quicker since chlorine attaches to water. This same soldier noticed some soldiers drop down, only to suffocate as the denser chlorine stayed low to the ground, unlike conventional smoke. Except one. One guy managed to climb a tree and escape the gas. That's how they figured it out. Likewise, soldiers had to learn to soak their rags in Urine to help protect against the chlorine because the ammonia would protect them (Last I read the science behind it is still up for debate, but it is funny that Haber was praised over synthetic ammonia only for ammonia to protect against his next lethal breakthrough.). I'm pretty sure Haber's son wrote a book over his perspective of his father and family. I think I used that in my project too. Also I'm so happy Sabaton covered this topic, because this is the topic that got me interested in World War 1, and I was disappointed it wasn't covered until. Thank you Sabaton!
the thing about Urine protecting slightly from Chlorine is that first, part of the ammonia will react with the water to make Hydrochloric acid, and also the fact that since Urine has so much ammonia, Urea and other *Nitrogen* containing molecules, the chlorine will bind with the nitrogen to form chloramines, which, while still toxic, are not as toxic as Chlorine.
5:34-“Saltpeter nitrogen imports from Chile.” As a Chilean who had to study my own country’s painfully boring history all through high school, this gave me CURSED flashbacks😅🇨🇱 Anyway, loving the new single so far, and what a great episode…Sabaton rocks!🤘🏼🖤
Compulsory education has a way of making even the most fascinating subjects seem boring. It's possible your country has interesting history (eg Inca Empire, one of the only civilizations in the Americas? Wars of the 19th century explaining modern borders?) but school ruined the experience for you. Many people find out later in life they like something they hated in school (history, science, literature, etc.) Maybe it's the same for your situation
IMHO having some boring periods in history ( wich is a bit of oxymoron, history is never boring, tho it can be uneventfull ) is not nesccsary a bad thing. My own country history is so full of pain and misery, I would really love to see some "less intensive" times :) .
I know exactly what you mean. It has that dark, almost ‘sinister’ feel that just perfectly fits the subject. That’s one of the things I really love about Sabaton that probably doesn’t get enough appreciation- their ability to combine music with lyrics/topic in a way that really captures the ‘mood’ of whatever story they’re telling. Whether it’s the sheer epicness of ‘Carolus Rex’ and ‘The Last Stand’, or the kind of brooding, introspection of ‘The Price of a Mile’ and ‘The End of the War to End All Wars’- or the polar opposite, the weirdly upbeat, lighthearted ‘Red Baron’, which every time I hear that joint and Joakim starts wailing on that piano/keyboard/organ(?) thing, I can’t help but start snapping my fingers like “aww yeaah, there it is” (don’t judge me. Lol)- or on the flip side, to this day, I will stop whatever I’m doing and join in with Joakim when he recites The Lord’s Prayer- in Swedish, mind you, which I do not speak, but I memorized the entire thing for that express purpose- in ‘The Caroleon’s Prayer’- just the image of the Caroleons singing as they marched straight into enemy fire, never missing a beat- hits me right in the feels every time, man- same for “White Friday, I’ll take the stairway to Heaven; I’m sky high, when I die, I’ll be immortal; Forever, I never, I won’t return to, Blood Mountain- I am the Soldier of Heaven” from, well, ‘Soldier of Heaven’- direct hit to the feels, yo. All the way back to that eerie “Father of toxic gas and chemical warfare...”, and everything in between. They do it all. Whenever you hear Sabaton, there’s always some kind of emotion- the sort of cathartic feeling you get when you watch a great movie- that sense of connection that just draws you in, you know? And the sheer range of emotions they’re able to capture in a single album- sometimes even a single song- is crazy. The whole crew in general, but Joakim especially does an incredible job. Like, listen to the chorus of ‘Father’, then listen to the intro of ‘Christmas Truce’, and realize that’s the same guy, and those were recorded around the same time. One minute, he’s sounding like the narrator of Diablo 4 or something, the next, dude’s on some straight Gospel singer energy throwing his head back and hammering on that piano and carrying on. And both are 100% genuine. That’s bananas. In a good way. But hey, that’s just my opinion. I’d say its a good opinion, though.
I did an entire research paper on Fritz Haber and a deep dive into the Haber-Bosch process for a chemistry class in uni and wow this video would’ve helped a lot ngl 😂🤣 This song is god damn amazing, as fucked up as it’s subject matter, it is insanely good. As controversial as he was, thank you Sabaton for further immortalising Him in a song.
However, unlike Haber, Oppenheimer showed clear remorse over the destruction the bombs had caused, hence why he quoted: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
"During World War I, the French Army was the first to employ tear gas, using 26 mm grenades filled with ethyl bromoacetate in August 1914. The small quantities of gas delivered, roughly 19 cm3 (1.2 cu in) per cartridge, were not even detected by the Germans. The stocks were rapidly consumed and by November a new order was placed by the French military. As bromine was scarce among the Entente allies, the active ingredient was changed to chloroacetone" France started this shit, Germans just improved
Sad to see how great minds like Fritz Haber can be twisted by war and used a weapon against the foe. Personally I until now have heard him only as a name but nothing more. Thanks Sabaton History for revealing more of his personality and work. For good or bad he was who he was - a great inventor.
@@ravanpee1325 ngl I feel the same way about the whole war, why blame Germany they were only defending their ally, and Austria Hungary wanted revenge for their assassinated archduke. If anything ww1 is on the Serbians for killing the heir to the throne of Austria. Ww1 was just a mess and shouldn’t have happened with no good or bad guys and the world doesn’t see it that way you know.
I hope this gets a history edition. Honestly I hope all of Sabaton's songs get a history edition. I've recently put together multiple playlists of all of Sabaton's Historical songs in chronological order and hearing each song narrated before they start makes my Great War playlist feel like not just a playlist, but a story being told. At the very least the World War I songs such as Last Dying Breath, The Lost Battalion, Cliffs of Gallipoli, Price of a Mile, and Angel's Calling. Would also be nice if they could change a couple. The Future Of Warfare is in the middle of the playlist based off September 15, 1916 when tanks are first used, but it has a whole intro section about the Great War in general that feels separate from the Tank Section of the History Edition intro. The mention of the Archdukes assassination in 1914 kind of messes with the flow of the playlist since it takes us back to the beginning before going back to 1916. Maybe make the Great War part of the intro a separate track. Kind of like how Diary of an Unknown Soldier is the intro to Lost Battalion, but still a separate track on the album. With Red Baron we lose the awesome Organ Intro with the History Edition. I often just play the History Edition intro and then as soon as the narrator says Red Baron I switch to the regular version.
Fritz Haber is one of the grandfathers of my entire profession. I use principles that he developed with some frequency. I think his story is useful in how sobering it is. Science itself doesn't care. With a similar process you can make ammonia or you can make gas shells. It alludes to the raw power and potential that can be created in industrial engineering. But because the science itself doesn't have a morality, it means that the designers and engineers need to have to clear sense of what they are doing and how it could be used.
Since you guys made a cover art with "Weapons of Modern Age" written on it, I hope this EP would involve and song about Robert Oppenheimer, the American theoretical physicist who is regarded as "father of atomic bomb" and also known for quoting a part from Bhagavad Gita scripture: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds".
i don't know you but when i saw this dude, i got chills. he looked like a cold person but determined to get his goals done, this is good but bad as well. i think in order to get glory, he gained so much ego he didn't know when to stop. well, it's a good day to learn more about the "spicy wind"! i can't wait to listen to the other songs.
@@brandonhey7797 sorry but as a f*cked up person i can easily say that i like black humor so much that's why i used that words. but yeah it was really horrible, rip to all the ones who died in the great war.
Buying a record based solely on what the cover looked like - that's how I discovered Megadeth (Peace Sells), Helloween (Keeper pt 1), Hammerfall (Legacy of Kings) and Iced Earth (Something Wicked) among others. Bought all back when they were just released, and those were wise purchases if I do say so myself. Those were back in the days before RUclips (obviously) which is where I pretty much discover all new music (to me) these days - Sabaton included.
He and others come to mind when I find a smart and ambitious person who is a bookworm, withdrawn etc... they still sometimes get elevated to beyond human status and they never fail to ultimately prove that they are just as broken a human as anyone else. Ultimately, numbers show he helped more than he harmed and practice has shown that accomplished doctors and scientists are either merciless or broken in easily. Even if he had refused... a few kicks to the stomach for him and anyone else. Besides, they couldn't all refuse. Otto Hahn, Werner Heisenberg and others were later forced or helped willingly to cause harm just as bad. Maybe they were lied to, maybe they were misled or believed in something different... maybe they were maddened by their pursuits. Humans, man... Where's muh coffee.
A quote I've come across a few times really explains these sort of scientists. A statement that must be by its components, from the Middle ages or a similar time. The statement reads bother not the lion with her Cubs, the Bear in its den or the librarian among his books. For you all those kings and armies, to him are nothing but lines on a page. Science in general follows this rule. Things that would never even be considered in peacetime will triple or quadruple very very quickly once War has been declared. Even the Cold War saw a certain amount of this, compare the space race to the modern return to the Moon. My greatest fear as we return to war once more is that we have not a chance to predict the weapons and technologies that will rise out of a third world war.
a very pleasant surprise for the weekend!!! the moment I saw this video my heart started pumping and I got excited, amazing song and amazing story as always, thank you sabaton!
Thank you for a great episode! But before we move on to the EPs and all the new releases, are we going to get Sabaton History episodes for the The war to end all war album songs that haven't yet been covered, like stormtroopers, hellfighters, lady of the dark etc? Or will we get episodes when the EP covers a topic related to the song that has yet to get a history episode? Or are we simply not going to get episodes about some songs since their topics were mostly covered in other songs or by other channels?
You can draw a parallel between Haber's concept of a horrifying weapon as a means to hasten the end of war and to break will with the whole of the Manhattan project and Richard Jordan Gatling's Gatling gun.
If Indy Neidell did the voice over on the boring history movies I had to endure in school. I probably would have better grades than I got. Now my son and I has watch through almost all videos in sabaton history and just begun to watch Yarnhub. We have learned more interesting facts that I did during all those years in school. I applaud you!
Well, hot damn. At least I have this today. Because I needed something good since I should have been seeing the band on the 28th but I wasn't able to get there this year.
You guys are a HUGE influence in our metal religion and I thank you for that. Every time that you visit Greece, it's like Christmas to me. I'd like to hear, in one of your future records, a song about Alexander the Great or the Revolution of 1821 or even Vlad III. I bet it would be an instant hymn among the others, and then to enjoy a video in History Channel from no other but Indy, who is the best Historical narrator. Please continue to deliver us great historical albums like you know how to write. And keep your current line up…it's the best.👏🤘
I work as a pool & spa technician and every now and then we get hit by some chlorine gas from the chlorinators. It burns everything and you have a cough for a few days and it's absolute hell. These men experienced chlorine gas at 1 million PPM (parts per million) and we only get hit with about 5-10 PPM. Can't even imagine what these men went through if the low dosages we get hurt that bad.
In Myanmar, we learn about the manufacture of Ammonia which is called “Haber Process” in our Matriculation level Chemistry textbook. However, due to the lack of detail WW1 history knowledge, people in Myanmar only known that he was the good man who supported the world with his invention and nobody known he was the evil man for allowing to make explosives and toxic gas named Chlorine in Great War.
I've watched every video so far and i thank you so much, i've both learned much and listened to amazing music, my daughter started listening to your songs because of this too. I love the comedian skits in the beginning! Indy is one heck of a storyteller (great at speaking swedish aswell!) and crew makes an awesome work, thank them all from me if you can! Noch Ein Bier!
Back in the early 1970's, I bought three albums a week. One new release which was $5.99 and two from the bargain bin for $1.99 or $.99@. Ten dollars a week was a fair amount of money back then as minimum wage jobs paid about $1.85/hour and working fifteen hours a week, living home. But, I built up a huge record collection in a short amount of time!
As I see it, you can't fault a man for serving his country however he can once war comes. Haber intended for gas to break the stalemate and ultimately save more lives than it cost. He had nothing to do with the war starting, so to try and end it quicker is a noble thing to do
Regardless if it's in or not in the great war album your music is amazing and so interesting cause the history behind the songs, and as a man that loved history in school this keeps me intrigued at all times! Love you Sabaton keep rocking and unleashing the glorious sound of metal 🤘❤️💜
"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good". (Stannis Baratheon) That quote sums up Haber to me - an honest individual must acknowledge both sides of his creations.
I study molecular biology and we learned about the haber-bosch process and its use in agriculture, but I am also glad our prof mentioned the darker side of this and other habers inventions No matter of what you think, it's important to research all sides of a topic and understand what was a good and useful side of some invention but also what damage was made with it because of the destructive nature of humanity
Veritasuim also did an interesting vid about Fritz Haber in july. For us right now it's kinda ironic, for him in his time it was probably tragic. It's always two sides to the coin
Sabaton History just uploaded. Sabaton also dropped a new song. The Sabaton History episode is about the new song. Cool! Wait... SABATON AND SABATON HISTORY JUST UPLOADED! THIS IS NOT A DRILL! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL! LET'S GO!!!!!!! Killer song, by the way.
Very interesting topic! Again, Sabaton are spoiling their fans 😍. Wasn't expecting new music so soon after the latest album release. A very nice surprise!! 🤘 Kudos to Indy for doing an awesome job once more!💪
Part of the issue is that the Haber-Bosch process is extremely energy-intensive, and because of how the reaction works, putting in more energy lowers your ammonia yield. It's all a compromise. Fritz Haber is definitely someone who has an interesting life story to tell, and I'm happy Sabaton did it. But I'm hoping for one day when we can completely replace Haber-Bosch and shut the history book on his dark legacy for good. If you want a figure who truly did good work feeding billions and it's probably inarguable this was a good thing, I recommend looking up Norman Borlaug.
Loved Sabatons Las Vegas show!!!!! The same words used to describe Fritz Hauber could also be used on Werner Von Braun. When he successfully launched the V2 his only remorse was that they landed on the wrong planet. Without him the moon would still be made of cheese.
so hero. that ep will have Ghost in the Trenches, Unkillable soldier, Lady of the Dark, Red Baron, Devil Dogs, and Hellfighters, as well as the unknown single for that. then the 3rd single, whatever that'll be about
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Where do you stand? Was Haber a monster who murdered hundreds of thousands of people, or was a benefactor for all mankind? Can one be both, or does one override the other one? And if so, which one?
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I mean, chemical warfare wasn't even his idea, the Entente Powers were doing it before Germany did. And you're deluding yourself if you think it's any less horrible to be blown up by a conventional artillery shell and NOT immediately die. At the end of the day, I think he saved a hell of a lot more lives than he took. And the fact he was openly pro-democracy and antifascist has gotta mean something too, even if it didn't amount to much.
He intended to shorten the war (which already was a stalemate at this point) with chemical weapons, so it's hard to say his intentions were evil. The fact that these weapons were not as effective in practice as expected, is more because of the difficulties of exploiting a breakthrough correctly. The fact that chemical weapons only made the war more cruel, was not by design.
On the other hand, half of us probably would not exist if it wasn't for ammonium synthesis.
I studied chemical engineering in college and to me, well Fritz Haber is still a benefactor because, beyond his work on nitrogen gas and ammoniac stand the work on gas reaction, allowing as of today people to eat to their fill (still, the hydrogen production could be improved but that's not today topic) and also to open things like, like cleaning coal (to an extend) and waste burning plants of ashes and dangerous materials (it is a gas-solid reaction, just like the Haber-Bosch process).
Also another fact about chemical warfare, phosgene which was a gas developed by the allies is still used as of today to produce plastics (there even was a phosgene leak in a factory were the workers suffered the same symptoms as the one Indy described about the first chlorine gas attack, luckily the plant was shut before the accident)
And one last thing, Fritz Haber supervised in his institue the project for a new pesticide for fumigation, called and the name brings even more shiver than chlorine gas, Zyklon A.
i think that one's inventions should cast a light on person not the usage of these inventions. yeah sure Haber had done a lot for a chemistry and all we still benefit from his inventions. his actions in that conflict should not be judged from our perspective in full. i think that one can be both
@@patrykjaros3631 I think too, but the usefulness of all his reactions clearly outweights the one that killed many people
Fritz Haber : invented poison gas warfare, but saved mankind from starvation.
Wernher Von Braun : had death camp slaves built missiles to launch at London, but paved the way in space exploration like no one before.
Enrico Fermi (and the whole Manhattan Project scientists) : built a weapon of mass destruction and turned 200.000 japanese civilians into dust in a flash, but harnessed an extremely powerful and clean energy.
Archimedes : build siege weapons and used mirror as death rays to set wooden ship ablaze, but also did groundbreaking studies in physics, mathematics, astronomy...
(just to name a few)
Science is not bad or evil. science discovers the means, but it's up to mankind to define the uses.
Alfred Nobel too. His dynamite is a revolutionary product with the good or bad usage.
Well said
Wise words.
the archimedes part likely wasn't true.
@@shaider1982 the death beam parts no but the rest are true.
"being shot in the head, you die"
*Laughs in Unkillable Soldier*
NEVER DIE! SHOT THROUGH THE EYE
@@fidelmarquez3637 NEVER SURRENDER HOW EVER THEY TRY
@@starsword-c2534 HOW THEY TRY SHOT THROUGH THE EYE, HE’LL NEVER DIE
HOW THEY TRY, SHOT THROUGH THE EYE
But people die if they are killed
As a german chemist I definitely learned a lot about Fritz Haber. The Haber-Bosch process is a very instructive reaction which is great to teach basic understandings of the chemical equilibrium and basic thermodynamics. Its importance in economy is even greater. From a chemical standpoint of view the nobel prize to Haber was more than deserved. But still its just as important to learn about the other side of Haber. He is the perfect example of what chemistry can do: it can change the world to a better place AND it can kill ten thousands of people. I think every chemist needs to know what kind of responsibility comes with this profession.
A great explanation and thought process to look at it, he's indeed a perfect example of the duality of what Mankind as a whole is capable of, and how close the balance is between a positive thing and negative outcome,
I am a german chemist myself and you put it quite well.
As human being we have the power to do both good and evil. Both proclivities live within us. And another thing is we are autonomous individuals, how will we carry ourselves forward in the world? Knowing Good and Evil.
brilliantly said. over in the songs page there's people debating his work, but I think you give the best answer here.
Many useful tools can indeed be used as weapons. It is just how it is.
Pär: "we're *probably* not going back in time to meet Fritz Haber"
So Pär pretty much told us that they have a time machine
no wonder they're able to capture the feel of the history in their music so well
@@brandonhey7797 and to capture footage for videos like for Fields of Verdun and The Unkillable Soldier
@@thenexus8384 for sure!
@@thenexus8384 the live action for unkillable soldier bothered me so much, as they had sub machine guns from 1928 in ww1 trench warfare
@@CoremanitetheNeko sabaton are aware of that, they even address it in the video about him
I wish more big bands did EPs, like it's kinda nice getting like smaller scale "albums" between regular albums
If it’s new content, sure. But 5 of the songs are already on previous albums.
@@SunRayz3r I don't mind that too much. Fits the theme in this case I think.
The problem I'd have is that all the other songs on the EP are recent releases. I understand they work around a theme, or concept, but a couple older songs would've been nice in this case I think.
@@Nick-rs5if the EP they did that had the newer version of Metal Machine was pretty good. (I think it was an EP)
@@GamerMarine89 it was a single-ish thing. It has 2 songs and one is a cover.
I didn't know Indie was also an expert in Chemistry. This man doesn't cease to amaze me.
Remember Saboteurs? Indie did a concise take on how heavy water can work as an atomic bomb.
Man knows how to research and he loves to dig in deep as well.
He said that phosgene is mustard gas, which is false
@@wat8437 He's saying "phosgene and Yperite, which is also known as mustard gas" at 09:15. The (French) name Yperite (as many readers would likely guess) refers to the battle of Ypres, where mustard gas was used for the first time.
My dad meet a guy who served in ww1. The guy was in a gas attack and only had a quarter of one lung left. He shared a cigarette with him before he found that out.
My great grandfather only had 1 quarter of his lung functioning after serving in Burma ww2. not chemical warfare I know but its insane how much the human body can technically endure before becoming totally dysfunctional.
A new song?
*Give it to me NOW*
EDIT: I really like how Sabaton is going into the scientific perspective of warfare, it is definitely just as important as the concept and subjects of war itself
Back in 2016/2017 I did a project for my Dual enrollment High-school history class over the Second Battle of Ypre. Way before I even heard of Sabaton. And I went down the rabbit hole of chlorine gas and Fritz Haber. I remember reading one soldier recount the event. He was on the ground and saw people choking on the gas, some soldiers tried to drink muddy water to help their burning throats, only to die quicker since chlorine attaches to water. This same soldier noticed some soldiers drop down, only to suffocate as the denser chlorine stayed low to the ground, unlike conventional smoke. Except one. One guy managed to climb a tree and escape the gas. That's how they figured it out. Likewise, soldiers had to learn to soak their rags in Urine to help protect against the chlorine because the ammonia would protect them (Last I read the science behind it is still up for debate, but it is funny that Haber was praised over synthetic ammonia only for ammonia to protect against his next lethal breakthrough.).
I'm pretty sure Haber's son wrote a book over his perspective of his father and family. I think I used that in my project too. Also I'm so happy Sabaton covered this topic, because this is the topic that got me interested in World War 1, and I was disappointed it wasn't covered until. Thank you Sabaton!
the thing about Urine protecting slightly from Chlorine is that first, part of the ammonia will react with the water to make Hydrochloric acid, and also the fact that since Urine has so much ammonia, Urea and other *Nitrogen* containing molecules, the chlorine will bind with the nitrogen to form chloramines, which, while still toxic, are not as toxic as Chlorine.
The one guy in the tree must have been like
"It's over, I have the high ground"
@@thedoorman243 Haber: "You underestimate my power!"
*Ypres*
@@killgaet6253 damn, that seems horrifying, no matter what you did you still would’ve been affected by toxic chemicals.
I feel like, everytime you guys work on a episode involving the Great War, Indy get's happy and probably nostalgic of the whole TGW project.
5:34-“Saltpeter nitrogen imports from Chile.” As a Chilean who had to study my own country’s painfully boring history all through high school, this gave me CURSED flashbacks😅🇨🇱 Anyway, loving the new single so far, and what a great episode…Sabaton rocks!🤘🏼🖤
Compulsory education has a way of making even the most fascinating subjects seem boring. It's possible your country has interesting history (eg Inca Empire, one of the only civilizations in the Americas? Wars of the 19th century explaining modern borders?) but school ruined the experience for you. Many people find out later in life they like something they hated in school (history, science, literature, etc.) Maybe it's the same for your situation
@@CandorHispanus perhaps, good insight :)
Wena po ctm
IMHO having some boring periods in history ( wich is a bit of oxymoron, history is never boring, tho it can be uneventfull ) is not nesccsary a bad thing. My own country history is so full of pain and misery, I would really love to see some "less intensive" times :) .
Martina , me rehuso a creer que tuviste un profesor de Historia tan penca
I love when joakim talks all dark and evil like just like he does in this song we don't get it a lot but it's amazing when it is
I agree, this snippet giving me serious Final Solution vibes!
"We board so we wrote more songs for our fans" - Sabaton
It's right up their alley
Haber is a good example of how history is messy and complicated.
You hit the nail on the head there. Very messy. Very complicated!
113 Sabaton History episodes? Wow! I've been subscribed to this channel since the day it launched.
Same! Can't wait for 200 episodes!!
This, this is how you get todays youth to study history.
Wait till it's 117
@@michaelpettersson4919 absolutely. I became a history buff because of Sabaton.
This is one of my favorite Sabaton songs. The eeriness of the chorus is incredible.
I know exactly what you mean. It has that dark, almost ‘sinister’ feel that just perfectly fits the subject. That’s one of the things I really love about Sabaton that probably doesn’t get enough appreciation- their ability to combine music with lyrics/topic in a way that really captures the ‘mood’ of whatever story they’re telling.
Whether it’s the sheer epicness of ‘Carolus Rex’ and ‘The Last Stand’, or the kind of brooding, introspection of ‘The Price of a Mile’ and ‘The End of the War to End All Wars’- or the polar opposite, the weirdly upbeat, lighthearted ‘Red Baron’, which every time I hear that joint and Joakim starts wailing on that piano/keyboard/organ(?) thing, I can’t help but start snapping my fingers like “aww yeaah, there it is” (don’t judge me. Lol)- or on the flip side, to this day, I will stop whatever I’m doing and join in with Joakim when he recites The Lord’s Prayer- in Swedish, mind you, which I do not speak, but I memorized the entire thing for that express purpose- in ‘The Caroleon’s Prayer’- just the image of the Caroleons singing as they marched straight into enemy fire, never missing a beat- hits me right in the feels every time, man- same for “White Friday, I’ll take the stairway to Heaven; I’m sky high, when I die, I’ll be immortal; Forever, I never, I won’t return to, Blood Mountain- I am the Soldier of Heaven” from, well, ‘Soldier of Heaven’- direct hit to the feels, yo. All the way back to that eerie “Father of toxic gas and chemical warfare...”, and everything in between. They do it all.
Whenever you hear Sabaton, there’s always some kind of emotion- the sort of cathartic feeling you get when you watch a great movie- that sense of connection that just draws you in, you know? And the sheer range of emotions they’re able to capture in a single album- sometimes even a single song- is crazy. The whole crew in general, but Joakim especially does an incredible job. Like, listen to the chorus of ‘Father’, then listen to the intro of ‘Christmas Truce’, and realize that’s the same guy, and those were recorded around the same time. One minute, he’s sounding like the narrator of Diablo 4 or something, the next, dude’s on some straight Gospel singer energy throwing his head back and hammering on that piano and carrying on. And both are 100% genuine. That’s bananas. In a good way.
But hey, that’s just my opinion.
I’d say its a good opinion, though.
It's so wholesome reading things like this 😎
Thank you so much for taking the time and sending your support in such a passionate way!
Rock and stone!
I did an entire research paper on Fritz Haber and a deep dive into the Haber-Bosch process for a chemistry class in uni and wow this video would’ve helped a lot ngl 😂🤣
This song is god damn amazing, as fucked up as it’s subject matter, it is insanely good. As controversial as he was, thank you Sabaton for further immortalising Him in a song.
I see him the say way I look at Robert Oppenheimer. A genius who invented something unspeakably horrible.
However, unlike Haber, Oppenheimer showed clear remorse over the destruction the bombs had caused, hence why he quoted: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
@@samzorn4656 Yes, one can see in the recorded interviews how it more or less broke his soul, so to speak.
Would make a great song. tooo
"During World War I, the French Army was the first to employ tear gas, using 26 mm grenades filled with ethyl bromoacetate in August 1914. The small quantities of gas delivered, roughly 19 cm3 (1.2 cu in) per cartridge, were not even detected by the Germans. The stocks were rapidly consumed and by November a new order was placed by the French military. As bromine was scarce among the Entente allies, the active ingredient was changed to chloroacetone"
France started this shit, Germans just improved
@@ravanpee1325 German Science is the best in the world - Rudolf von Strohiem
Sad to see how great minds like Fritz Haber can be twisted by war and used a weapon against the foe.
Personally I until now have heard him only as a name but nothing more. Thanks Sabaton History for revealing more of his personality and work.
For good or bad he was who he was - a great inventor.
France started the use of chemical weapons. So why demonized him when they just fought back
@@ravanpee1325 ngl I feel the same way about the whole war, why blame Germany they were only defending their ally, and Austria Hungary wanted revenge for their assassinated archduke. If anything ww1 is on the Serbians for killing the heir to the throne of Austria. Ww1 was just a mess and shouldn’t have happened with no good or bad guys and the world doesn’t see it that way you know.
Sabaton keeps adding fuel to my fire of passion for history and learning... I hope it never stops
This song sounded a lot like something off the Carolus Rex album, but with a darker, more sinister feel to it. Loved every second.
My great grandfather was gassed in 1918 and had lung problems for the rest of his life which eventually killed him.
As a chemical engineer major, this new song is much appreciated
Play this in the lab one day.
I hope this gets a history edition. Honestly I hope all of Sabaton's songs get a history edition. I've recently put together multiple playlists of all of Sabaton's Historical songs in chronological order and hearing each song narrated before they start makes my Great War playlist feel like not just a playlist, but a story being told. At the very least the World War I songs such as Last Dying Breath, The Lost Battalion, Cliffs of Gallipoli, Price of a Mile, and Angel's Calling.
Would also be nice if they could change a couple. The Future Of Warfare is in the middle of the playlist based off September 15, 1916 when tanks are first used, but it has a whole intro section about the Great War in general that feels separate from the Tank Section of the History Edition intro. The mention of the Archdukes assassination in 1914 kind of messes with the flow of the playlist since it takes us back to the beginning before going back to 1916. Maybe make the Great War part of the intro a separate track. Kind of like how Diary of an Unknown Soldier is the intro to Lost Battalion, but still a separate track on the album. With Red Baron we lose the awesome Organ Intro with the History Edition. I often just play the History Edition intro and then as soon as the narrator says Red Baron I switch to the regular version.
I think "in peace for mankind and in war for the motherland" is probably one of the best mottos out there
I just had a question on the Haber Bosch process in an exam, no one remembered what it was, but I got it right because of this song.
We're more than happy to help 😉
Fritz Haber is one of the grandfathers of my entire profession. I use principles that he developed with some frequency. I think his story is useful in how sobering it is. Science itself doesn't care. With a similar process you can make ammonia or you can make gas shells. It alludes to the raw power and potential that can be created in industrial engineering. But because the science itself doesn't have a morality, it means that the designers and engineers need to have to clear sense of what they are doing and how it could be used.
Since you guys made a cover art with "Weapons of Modern Age" written on it, I hope this EP would involve and song about Robert Oppenheimer, the American theoretical physicist who is regarded as "father of atomic bomb" and also known for quoting a part from Bhagavad Gita scripture: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds".
YES
i don't know you but when i saw this dude, i got chills. he looked like a cold person but determined to get his goals done, this is good but bad as well. i think in order to get glory, he gained so much ego he didn't know when to stop. well, it's a good day to learn more about the "spicy wind"!
i can't wait to listen to the other songs.
spicy wind should not have made me laugh as much as it did considering the context
@@brandonhey7797 sorry but as a f*cked up person i can easily say that i like black humor so much that's why i used that words. but yeah it was really horrible, rip to all the ones who died in the great war.
@@der_kluger_gunther8391 no, no. i was balling with laughter. i liked the joke. just wasn't expecting it, that's all
@@brandonhey7797 oh ok. It's happy to know that someone likes them too!
Buying a record based solely on what the cover looked like - that's how I discovered Megadeth (Peace Sells), Helloween (Keeper pt 1), Hammerfall (Legacy of Kings) and Iced Earth (Something Wicked) among others. Bought all back when they were just released, and those were wise purchases if I do say so myself. Those were back in the days before RUclips (obviously) which is where I pretty much discover all new music (to me) these days - Sabaton included.
Peace sell but who's buying
Sells
He and others come to mind when I find a smart and ambitious person who is a bookworm, withdrawn etc... they still sometimes get elevated to beyond human status and they never fail to ultimately prove that they are just as broken a human as anyone else.
Ultimately, numbers show he helped more than he harmed and practice has shown that accomplished doctors and scientists are either merciless or broken in easily. Even if he had refused... a few kicks to the stomach for him and anyone else. Besides, they couldn't all refuse. Otto Hahn, Werner Heisenberg and others were later forced or helped willingly to cause harm just as bad. Maybe they were lied to, maybe they were misled or believed in something different... maybe they were maddened by their pursuits. Humans, man...
Where's muh coffee.
A quote I've come across a few times really explains these sort of scientists. A statement that must be by its components, from the Middle ages or a similar time. The statement reads bother not the lion with her Cubs, the Bear in its den or the librarian among his books. For you all those kings and armies, to him are nothing but lines on a page. Science in general follows this rule. Things that would never even be considered in peacetime will triple or quadruple very very quickly once War has been declared. Even the Cold War saw a certain amount of this, compare the space race to the modern return to the Moon. My greatest fear as we return to war once more is that we have not a chance to predict the weapons and technologies that will rise out of a third world war.
Just saw Sabaton in Denver last night and got this notification! Can't wait to dig into this episode!
Fritz Haber was neither a monster nor a benefactor. He was simply a scientist whose research had far reaching consequences.
As I sit here at work looking at grassy lone I'm looking at his legacy it's scary to think that he also made a war weapon too
So we have three Fathers and two Mothers
The missing Mom is "Mutter" by Rammstein, that fits very well if you know the Song
Also Father by Manowar - which they released in 20+ languages.
Veritasium's video is where I learned about him. Fascinating duality of man
a very pleasant surprise for the weekend!!! the moment I saw this video my heart started pumping and I got excited, amazing song and amazing story as always, thank you sabaton!
As a Pink Floyd fan I feel I have to correct Indy, Mother is from The Wall not Dark Side Of The Moon
Exactly 🤣
“Father” is such a metal name for a song, the whole thing is awesome.
Thank you for a great episode! But before we move on to the EPs and all the new releases, are we going to get Sabaton History episodes for the The war to end all war album songs that haven't yet been covered, like stormtroopers, hellfighters, lady of the dark etc? Or will we get episodes when the EP covers a topic related to the song that has yet to get a history episode? Or are we simply not going to get episodes about some songs since their topics were mostly covered in other songs or by other channels?
You can draw a parallel between Haber's concept of a horrifying weapon as a means to hasten the end of war and to break will with the whole of the Manhattan project and Richard Jordan Gatling's Gatling gun.
I would love to hear Sabaton do a cover of One. It would fit with the WWI theme very well
Sabaton History should also cover the cover songs that Sabaton did, like Camouflage, For Whom The Bell Tolls, et cetera
I appreciate the joy Indy clearly has talking about music and bands that he loves.
20:40 so what do you think is worse, what would you choose: sudden death, or some real suffering leaving you injured for the rest of your life?
I love Indy Neidell's voice, his phonetics particularly. It's old timey. It's good.
If Indy Neidell did the voice over on the boring history movies I had to endure in school. I probably would have better grades than I got. Now my son and I has watch through almost all videos in sabaton history and just begun to watch Yarnhub. We have learned more interesting facts that I did during all those years in school. I applaud you!
Brilliant video as always! - My thoughts landed on: Manowar - Father (2009) when you started discussing other "Father song"
Well, hot damn. At least I have this today. Because I needed something good since I should have been seeing the band on the 28th but I wasn't able to get there this year.
7:26 thank you !
You guys are a HUGE influence in our metal religion and I thank you for that. Every time that you visit Greece, it's like Christmas to me. I'd like to hear, in one of your future records, a song about Alexander the Great or the Revolution of 1821 or even Vlad III. I bet it would be an instant hymn among the others, and then to enjoy a video in History Channel from no other but Indy, who is the best Historical narrator. Please continue to deliver us great historical albums like you know how to write. And keep your current line up…it's the best.👏🤘
I work as a pool & spa technician and every now and then we get hit by some chlorine gas from the chlorinators. It burns everything and you have a cough for a few days and it's absolute hell. These men experienced chlorine gas at 1 million PPM (parts per million) and we only get hit with about 5-10 PPM. Can't even imagine what these men went through if the low dosages we get hurt that bad.
No need to imagine. Look at Osowiec fortress, they where coughing their innards out...
So basically, these new EP's are just DLC to the present two albums.
As a fan of Sabaton, of Time Ghost, and a german chemist, finding this video today is like an early christmas gift. Thank you!
Amazing job as always.
Keep up the great work!
This was a fantastic episode! I'd put him as both tbh. Looking forward to the EPs. Thank you so much for doing these vids 🤘🤘
Heard about him but now I can't wait to hear more and more and to hear the new song.❤️❤️❤️
I learn more from sabaton than in my history class
Same man
wow i just learned about this guy through infographics a few months ago! never thought id hear about this in song as well as another history video
In Myanmar, we learn about the manufacture of Ammonia which is called “Haber Process” in our Matriculation level Chemistry textbook. However, due to the lack of detail WW1 history knowledge, people in Myanmar only known that he was the good man who supported the world with his invention and nobody known he was the evil man for allowing to make explosives and toxic gas named Chlorine in Great War.
Can’t wait to see y’all in Houston this Saturday!!
Damn didn't expect a Sabaton song about science and Fritz Haber
Just listened to this song right before this, love this channel and the new song
These new songs. They are like Echos of the Great War albums. Perfect. Like the last whispers before the light fades away
A scientist belongs to the world in times of peace and to his country in times of war
But his service belongs to *The Emperor* for all time.
@@KyleJordanGaming we all serve Big E forever.
HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS CHANNEL EXISTED UNTIL NOW, I CAN'T WAIT TO BINGE THE ENTIRE THING.
Be our guest 😎
I've watched every video so far and i thank you so much, i've both learned much and listened to amazing music, my daughter started listening to your songs because of this too. I love the comedian skits in the beginning! Indy is one heck of a storyteller (great at speaking swedish aswell!) and crew makes an awesome work, thank them all from me if you can! Noch Ein Bier!
A bit more detail on the process please, but: THANKS A LOT FOR THIS VIDEO!
Indy's story about his Misfits album reminds me of when I bought my copy of Horrorpops "Hell Yeah"
Attack of the deadmen was caused by this guy, so he gets two bangers
Back in the early 1970's, I bought three albums a week. One new release which was $5.99 and two from the bargain bin for $1.99 or $.99@.
Ten dollars a week was a fair amount of money back then as minimum wage jobs paid about $1.85/hour and working fifteen hours a week, living home.
But, I built up a huge record collection in a short amount of time!
1:58 Ah, I see that Haber's interest for that style of glasses was a lifelong ine
Farming and Fighting, two of civilizations oldest professions. It's no wonder the two often travel side by side in advancements.
Definitely going to play this in chemistry class.
I can tell that a few new songs the will release soon are gonna sound damn awesome.
As I see it, you can't fault a man for serving his country however he can once war comes. Haber intended for gas to break the stalemate and ultimately save more lives than it cost. He had nothing to do with the war starting, so to try and end it quicker is a noble thing to do
Regardless if it's in or not in the great war album your music is amazing and so interesting cause the history behind the songs, and as a man that loved history in school this keeps me intrigued at all times! Love you Sabaton keep rocking and unleashing the glorious sound of metal 🤘❤️💜
Sabatons new song is great, as all the coming ones and the ones before!!!
When I first saw the song title i thought you were doing a cover of Father by Manowar 😅
"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good". (Stannis Baratheon) That quote sums up Haber to me - an honest individual must acknowledge both sides of his creations.
Man my day just got INCREDIBLY better
The Great EP to End All EPs
I study molecular biology and we learned about the haber-bosch process and its use in agriculture, but I am also glad our prof mentioned the darker side of this and other habers inventions
No matter of what you think, it's important to research all sides of a topic and understand what was a good and useful side of some invention but also what damage was made with it because of the destructive nature of humanity
This is my first episode of Sabaton History; seems I have a LOT of historical episodes to watch :O
Now, I will try to find some "Heroes". Thanks for thing to do this week!
Veritasuim also did an interesting vid about Fritz Haber in july.
For us right now it's kinda ironic, for him in his time it was probably tragic.
It's always two sides to the coin
Sabaton History just uploaded. Sabaton also dropped a new song. The Sabaton History episode is about the new song. Cool! Wait...
SABATON AND SABATON HISTORY JUST UPLOADED! THIS IS NOT A DRILL! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
LET'S GO!!!!!!!
Killer song, by the way.
Extend with something like Cliffs of Gallipoli would be really good
Very interesting topic! Again, Sabaton are spoiling their fans 😍. Wasn't expecting new music so soon after the latest album release. A very nice surprise!! 🤘
Kudos to Indy for doing an awesome job once more!💪
Part of the issue is that the Haber-Bosch process is extremely energy-intensive, and because of how the reaction works, putting in more energy lowers your ammonia yield. It's all a compromise. Fritz Haber is definitely someone who has an interesting life story to tell, and I'm happy Sabaton did it. But I'm hoping for one day when we can completely replace Haber-Bosch and shut the history book on his dark legacy for good.
If you want a figure who truly did good work feeding billions and it's probably inarguable this was a good thing, I recommend looking up Norman Borlaug.
❤ for Norman Borlaug. The Nobel prize for peace rightfully went to him.
And if you think about it, he brought the 3rd agricultural revolution.
I like how there's this ongoing "Great War Saga" of albums.
So I guess next song will be in December before Christmas
Manowar wrote a song called Father and recorded it in different languages, including German.
We just did the history of manowar last episode.
18 different languages from what I remember; 16 on a 2009 EP, and 2 others at a later date.
Loved Sabatons Las Vegas show!!!!! The same words used to describe Fritz Hauber could also be used on Werner Von Braun. When he successfully launched the V2 his only remorse was that they landed on the wrong planet. Without him the moon would still be made of cheese.
Except that von Braun wasnt that in line with the war.
Thank you Sabaton History for all the hard work. Looking forward to new content and new songs.
Excellent information. What an informative video. Good job guys!
20:42 Uuhhhh hello? "Never die, shot through the eye"? That was you as well Indy
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!!
so hero. that ep will have Ghost in the Trenches, Unkillable soldier, Lady of the Dark, Red Baron, Devil Dogs, and Hellfighters, as well as the unknown single for that. then the 3rd single, whatever that'll be about
I was told about F. Haber when I studied physical chemistry in the University. Interesting... Thank you.
Thanks for taking the time to watch our video!
@@SabatonHistory thank you for the video! It's amazing👍