Tom Paris had his work cut out for him trying to stay in the Romulans' blind spot. I can also imagine the startled looks from the bridge crew when Janeway orders the tricobalt fired, alongside raised eyebrows from Tuvok and Seven, followed by a "Are you sure that is wise, Captain?" from Tuvok, and a "That seems... excessive," from Seven.
It was built to deal with the bloated pre-Dominion war galaxy class, not a ship built with raw power and speed like the intrepid class let alone plot armored protected op ship like Voyager who's damage is magically gone by the next episode even though their resources were supposedly really limited. Not even god itself could destroy canon Voyager with that type of plot armor. So What hope does that romulan ship have?
I'm pleasantly surprised by this. The combination of Voyager's weapons combined with maneuverability allow it to prevail against a D'deridex. It gives another example of how they were able to hold off the Borg at least temporarily (not to mention plot armor!).
@@paulrasmussen8953 Not the Intrepid class Vice Admiral William Ross had the Belerathon the Defiant would match a D'deridex and was faster and more manoeuvrable.
When you thought that Voyager was about to ram you... I was itching to say, "Time's up."😄 You were good in the first battle... that ship can't maneuver. Stay on top and all it had were its phasers. It's too bad that the core explosion took you out as well.
That was a cool one, really didn't think it would be so easy for Voyager. You don't think of it as a little pocket battleship like that. Well I think clearly the Neelix Shuttle needs to take on a Klingon Shuttle now..😜
In a real space battle, they wouldn't even be able to see each other. They'd be thousands of miles away, way beyond visual range. But it would be boring.
Would love to see a ‘what if’ battle consisting of Voyager, the Marquis Fighter, the Equinox fighting a Delta Quadrant enemy. Would also be great to include the Aeroshuttle, Equinox’s equivalent and the Delta Flyer. Would be an amazing all out battle!
@@Bellthorian it wasn't the gamma quadrant it was the delta quadrant and originally she specifically requested tom paris to be able to navigate the badlands and not get lost. and she didn't even go to the delta quadrant willingly she was pulled by a cosmic entity against her will to the delta quadrant where the cosmic entity freaking died and forced her to make a decision between ensuring the cosmic entities tech didn't fall into someone else hands or getting home. and frankly she made the right choice. it stranded her but imagine if the kazon, the hirgoen and any number of other species suddenly got their hands on technology capable of that kind of travel it'd turn into a chaotic bloodbath. or god forbid the borg get their hands on it cant even imagine that one
If they are coming for your aft and you don't have aft shields, what is the penalty for cloaking? "Oh no! We just dropped our shield that was already down!"
I think this was pretty accurate. I agree that just a stock Intrepid class could be one D'deridex Warbird. I do agree too that with two nope no way it could handle two. I laughed when you blew up in Voyager after the Warbird was destroyed. Voyager still won though lol.
A request please. A sort of follow-on from your Romulan Warbird vs the Kazon fleet video. What if you did the Basics, Part 1 battle, Voyager vs the 4 Big Kazon warships as seen in the episode, but obviously without the Kazon living bomb going off. Not being crippled, Would Voyager actually win that battle?
Neelix mixed some Romulan ale in with his Better Than Coffee substitute, it's now actually a liquid instead of goo, and gave it to Captain Kathy instead of her usual Delta Quadrant blend. Hence why Katherine was so aggressive.
It shows how potent the Intrepid class is; at most it's a Cruiser (heavy cruiser at a push) design and it can go toe-to-toe with a D'deridex, which is the Romulan equivalent of a battleship/ship of the line. Sure it has to rely on manoeuvrability but that fact it can tank enough hits to get into advantageous positions is impressive.
😲Crikey Admiral.. I knew Voyager could take on 1 D'deridex for sure, but what was that at 3:15 oh you fired and the blast forced the energy back ok eeh gosh.. lol Also, Voyager can scan even cloaked ships like they did with the Klingon ship.. lol 😨oh my gosh.. Romulan ship actually beat Voy.. eeh Yes, lol think she didn't have he coffee yet.. lol. this was a great battle and yes , way advanced than the Galaxy and launched and right away lost, so Romulans would not know this ship and what it's capable.. and Seven would help too. Love the battle Admiral!😊🖖
That’s a very good point about voyager, a multi phasic scan should hopefully do the trick! I love how voyager had Borg upgrades, but you didn’t really see them. Thanks Steve🖖
Like most Romulan creations, the Warbird is designed for high burst damage then cloaking again. That sort of tactic doesn't do well against highly maneuverable targets so honestly I think it's just a bad matchup for the Warbird. The Defiant could probably also win for the same exact reasons.
It depends how advanced the cloak is on the warbird. Voyager was enhanced with borg astrometrix sensors which could actually scan through certain cloaks.
The D'Deredix is far more powerful in Star Trek Canon. If the war bird wanted to kill you, it would have approached to point blank range and decloaked and used its forward arc of weapons with devastating effect. You must fight like a Romulan because that is how they fought the Jemhadda when Sisco dragged the Romulans into the war against the Dominion.
00:59 it always bugs me that there's never power added to sensors. not so much here i guess because idk what is going on in this panel, but more power to sensors increases weapons accuracy. There's definately vids that he's having trouble landing shots and I'm yelling at the screen "more power to sensors!!" lol
Retro badger, can you link or tell us what mods you currently using. For example: is this the kobayashi maru mod or remastered? Thank you Edit: I see this is the remastered version in details. Missed that part
I think for either ship, if your family was onboard, you wouldn't risk the fight as it would be too close. Same goes for many of these match ups assuming it was real life situations. I think diplomacy would be a better option given how close they are in firepower.
If you really wanted to take advantage of Voyager's maneuverability, you would manually pilot the ship and make sure you're always facing the aft of the Warbird.
Let me know if you've already done this. Would running through various generations of klingon ships with Koayashi Maru rules starting with 3 doubling -1 if you win with different federation ships. Can the Voyager take out 17 TOS battle cruisers?
Voyager would be no match for the warbird. The ship was purposely written as very much less powerful than a Galaxy class - more dramatic tension. The entire show eventually lost its mind and somehow made a ship a ‘mary sue’.
Yeah the Intrepid class is far more agile, yet has powerful enough weapons and shields to overcome the warbird, if she manuevers out of the way of the forward arc of the Warbird - which wouldn't be difficult. The Intrepid class is much faster and more agile. Those type X phasers and type 6 photon torpedoes make swift work of most targets.
Hard to say. I don't think the warbird was built for manoverability. The new Remastered has new balancing. Particurly with bigger ships. The smaller ships can run circles around them. A bit like the mirror universe defiant vs worfs negh'var. Poor Garak 🤣
the question is would the romulans even start a fight id imagine they wouldn't two scenarios on the border of romulan space they would have seen it coming and janeway probably would have plotted a course around romulan territorial space. in a delta quadrant encounter would they fight though several thousand light years from home decades away from any support. we saw in star trek nemesis and that one tng episode the enterprise was trapped frozen in time with the romulan ship, as well as with ds9 when they joined the dominion war that they are not unwilling to work together with the federation at times and we saw at the gallorndon core incident that they can be reasonable in extreme circumstances. i don't think they would fight i think it would be the beginning of a lost fleet scenario where all the lost ships band together and make for home. more interesting is what Voyager would be like given weve seen from ds9 and from the game star trek elite force that federation tech has always been able to work with other species technology granted it may take an o'brian and a half's worth of coaxing to make it not fly apart at the seams.
This must be a special Intrepid class? There's no way a regular Intrepid beats a regular D'Deridex. You're talking about a medium cruiser vs a battleship.
I'm not buying it. A warbird was the equivalent of the Galaxy class and Voyager is what the equivalent of a destroyer at most? Maybe three voyagers but anything less ....
what is this balance lmao. galaxy from generations shits on voyager and D'deridex being way more powerfull ship is basicly dying to it? seriously :D. Even in TNG 1 forward disruptor volley takes down shields of Enterprise to 30% (and this is no torps volley).
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You didn't lose the aft shield. You lost the aft.
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Tom Paris had his work cut out for him trying to stay in the Romulans' blind spot. I can also imagine the startled looks from the bridge crew when Janeway orders the tricobalt fired, alongside raised eyebrows from Tuvok and Seven, followed by a "Are you sure that is wise, Captain?" from Tuvok, and a "That seems... excessive," from Seven.
@3:13 Damn you Tomalak also when I saw that smug smile I almost spat beer over my keyboard trying not to laugh
She must be out of Coffee that's why she USED IT LOL!
I ate my words on this one. I thought the warbird would be the superior ship. Gotta love the Intrepid Class' manuverability.
It was built to deal with the bloated pre-Dominion war galaxy class, not a ship built with raw power and speed like the intrepid class let alone plot armored protected op ship like Voyager who's damage is magically gone by the next episode even though their resources were supposedly really limited.
Not even god itself could destroy canon Voyager with that type of plot armor.
So What hope does that romulan ship have?
@@valor1omega Voyager didn't need any plot armor in this one, the warbird is just outclassed
Yeah, the Warbird is a bit of a glass cannon.
I'm pleasantly surprised by this. The combination of Voyager's weapons combined with maneuverability allow it to prevail against a D'deridex. It gives another example of how they were able to hold off the Borg at least temporarily (not to mention plot armor!).
Voyager would easily win it could defeat 2 D'deridex class B type advanced warbird of the telshiar with her upgrades well before Endgame.
Sorry light cruiser vs bb should be a interpid loss
@@paulrasmussen8953 Size doesn't matter With the Intrepid class faster more advanced and more powerful against the D'deridex class.
@jasonwestwood7092 again light cruiiser while well armed and is still out gunned
@@paulrasmussen8953 Not the Intrepid class Vice Admiral William Ross had the Belerathon the Defiant would match a D'deridex and was faster and more manoeuvrable.
When you thought that Voyager was about to ram you... I was itching to say, "Time's up."😄
You were good in the first battle... that ship can't maneuver. Stay on top and all it had were its phasers.
It's too bad that the core explosion took you out as well.
I have faith of the HEART!!!!!!!! Ty for the video and LLAP!
Lol! 🖖
You won because you DIDN'T cloak. 😉
That was a cool one, really didn't think it would be so easy for Voyager. You don't think of it as a little pocket battleship like that.
Well I think clearly the Neelix Shuttle needs to take on a Klingon Shuttle now..😜
In a real space battle, they wouldn't even be able to see each other. They'd be thousands of miles away, way beyond visual range. But it would be boring.
"Well Tomalak....shall we die together?"
Would love to see a ‘what if’ battle consisting of Voyager, the Marquis Fighter, the Equinox fighting a Delta Quadrant enemy. Would also be great to include the Aeroshuttle, Equinox’s equivalent and the Delta Flyer. Would be an amazing all out battle!
You need to use coffee torpedos on Janeway. It’s the only way.
Voyager may not be as big as a Galaxy class ship but she's quick and smart, like her Captain.
Smart like her Captain who got her crew lost in the Gamma quadrant after being in command less than a couple of hours?
@@Bellthorian you'll be waiting for a very long time in the gamma quadrant for USS Voyager's arrival. 😹
@@deepdivedylan Was it the Delta quadrant they got transported to? The Gamma was where the Dominion was right?
@@Bellthorian it wasn't the gamma quadrant it was the delta quadrant and originally she specifically requested tom paris to be able to navigate the badlands and not get lost.
and she didn't even go to the delta quadrant willingly she was pulled by a cosmic entity against her will to the delta quadrant where the cosmic entity freaking died and forced her to make a decision between ensuring the cosmic entities tech didn't fall into someone else hands or getting home.
and frankly she made the right choice. it stranded her but imagine if the kazon, the hirgoen and any number of other species suddenly got their hands on technology capable of that kind of travel it'd turn into a chaotic bloodbath.
or god forbid the borg get their hands on it cant even imagine that one
damn i think we cans ay that voyager is a damn damn robust and deadly ship. thx for uploading it.
The D'Deridex has always been a glass cannon.
That Janeway woke up without her coffee and you HAD to bother her huh
If they are coming for your aft and you don't have aft shields, what is the penalty for cloaking? "Oh no! We just dropped our shield that was already down!"
I think this was pretty accurate. I agree that just a stock Intrepid class could be one D'deridex Warbird. I do agree too that with two nope no way it could handle two.
I laughed when you blew up in Voyager after the Warbird was destroyed. Voyager still won though lol.
Janeway with the trickshot torpedoes through the wings
Future armor hah!! Good one!
I'm requesting the NSEA Protector versus the Enterprise NX-01.
A request please. A sort of follow-on from your Romulan Warbird vs the Kazon fleet video. What if you did the Basics, Part 1 battle, Voyager vs the 4 Big Kazon warships as seen in the episode, but obviously without the Kazon living bomb going off. Not being crippled, Would Voyager actually win that battle?
Neelix mixed some Romulan ale in with his Better Than Coffee substitute, it's now actually a liquid instead of goo, and gave it to Captain Kathy instead of her usual Delta Quadrant blend. Hence why Katherine was so aggressive.
Voyager is just too maneuverable for the warbird, stock or not.
It shows how potent the Intrepid class is; at most it's a Cruiser (heavy cruiser at a push) design and it can go toe-to-toe with a D'deridex, which is the Romulan equivalent of a battleship/ship of the line. Sure it has to rely on manoeuvrability but that fact it can tank enough hits to get into advantageous positions is impressive.
Not sure I’m buying this one….. voyager is tough…. But that thing is on par if not outgunning a Galaxy class
Voyager is far faster and more agile. As long as she kept out of the forward firing arc of the Warbird, Voyager would win.
😲Crikey Admiral.. I knew Voyager could take on 1 D'deridex for sure, but what was that at 3:15 oh you fired and the blast forced the energy back ok eeh gosh.. lol Also, Voyager can scan even cloaked ships like they did with the Klingon ship.. lol 😨oh my gosh.. Romulan ship actually beat Voy.. eeh Yes, lol think she didn't have he coffee yet.. lol. this was a great battle and yes , way advanced than the Galaxy and launched and right away lost, so Romulans would not know this ship and what it's capable.. and Seven would help too. Love the battle Admiral!😊🖖
That’s a very good point about voyager, a multi phasic scan should hopefully do the trick! I love how voyager had Borg upgrades, but you didn’t really see them. Thanks Steve🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes Seven did upgrades and the multi phasic scan, thanks I forgot what was called lol. !🖖
I honestly didn't see that coming.
Like most Romulan creations, the Warbird is designed for high burst damage then cloaking again. That sort of tactic doesn't do well against highly maneuverable targets so honestly I think it's just a bad matchup for the Warbird. The Defiant could probably also win for the same exact reasons.
I think Voyager will have a much harder time against the D'rderidex if it employ hit and clock tactics.
It depends how advanced the cloak is on the warbird. Voyager was enhanced with borg astrometrix sensors which could actually scan through certain cloaks.
The D'Deredix is far more powerful in Star Trek Canon. If the war bird wanted to kill you, it would have approached to point blank range and decloaked and used its forward arc of weapons with devastating effect. You must fight like a Romulan because that is how they fought the Jemhadda when Sisco dragged the Romulans into the war against the Dominion.
From your attack position, you could have taken the sensors, probably would have made it harder for them to self destruct so close to you.
00:59 it always bugs me that there's never power added to sensors. not so much here i guess because idk what is going on in this panel, but more power to sensors increases weapons accuracy. There's definately vids that he's having trouble landing shots and I'm yelling at the screen "more power to sensors!!" lol
Janeway didn't have her coffee she was pissed
Maybe you can go through, Retro-Badger, and create an RBG D'deridex with improved stats.
1:00 Here we go again! 🤣
"use canon Voyager"
So if the Voyager gets owned you will take a quick break and when you come back any and all damage will be magically missing?
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Greetings 🖖🏼
I have a Viewer request:
Me and @NobodyZockt would like to see the Scimitar vs. the Shrike.
You make really great videos!
Best Regards
Exactly, I have nothing to add!
Best regards :D
Thanks! The Shrike hasn't been released yet, but when it is that will be the first battle I do 🖖
Tomalok is laughing at you! lol
Retro badger, can you link or tell us what mods you currently using. For example: is this the kobayashi maru mod or remastered?
Thank you
Edit: I see this is the remastered version in details. Missed that part
I think for either ship, if your family was onboard, you wouldn't risk the fight as it would be too close. Same goes for many of these match ups assuming it was real life situations. I think diplomacy would be a better option given how close they are in firepower.
I alwes wondered with a small ship if you flew into the hallow center part would it be abel even hit you and could you bypass its shields?
I did this in a youtube short with a Romulan Cricket from the TOS. Was able to destroy the d'deridex with a plasma Torpedo!
If you really wanted to take advantage of Voyager's maneuverability, you would manually pilot the ship and make sure you're always facing the aft of the Warbird.
How about the NX01 Vs the Dekyhr/T'plana'hath?
Have you done a D'deridex vs a Borg Ship?
Let me know if you've already done this. Would running through various generations of klingon ships with Koayashi Maru rules starting with 3 doubling -1 if you win with different federation ships. Can the Voyager take out 17 TOS battle cruisers?
What makes this fight impressive is the size difference. Voyager could fit between the D'deridex's twin hulls with plenty of room to spare.
What mods are you using?
Not sure if u did this or not but can a ship fly inside the romulian warbird and destory it inside the sheilds
I think that mostly works for smaller ships.
I did that on a youtube short with a Romulan Cricket. It worked! 🖖
😊 I think Voyager was just a prototype for the Badlands explorer the Badlands 2 and stop the Marquee. I think that's what was made for
Maquis*
Voyager would be no match for the warbird. The ship was purposely written as very much less powerful than a Galaxy class - more dramatic tension. The entire show eventually lost its mind and somehow made a ship a ‘mary sue’.
It was meant to be smaller, faster and more manoeuvrable than a Galaxy class. No one ever said anything about it being weaker than one.
Yeah the Intrepid class is far more agile, yet has powerful enough weapons and shields to overcome the warbird, if she manuevers out of the way of the forward arc of the Warbird - which wouldn't be difficult. The Intrepid class is much faster and more agile. Those type X phasers and type 6 photon torpedoes make swift work of most targets.
Voyager shouldn't be able to beat a D'deridex... lol
Shes strong enough take down a cube 🤷🏻
Or you could try Voyager and and Dominion warship cuz they never have battle with one
This happened to my buddy Eric
Was it always this slow to turn in tng and ds9???????????? =O
Hard to say. I don't think the warbird was built for manoverability. The new Remastered has new balancing. Particurly with bigger ships. The smaller ships can run circles around them. A bit like the mirror universe defiant vs worfs negh'var. Poor Garak 🤣
Con’t with D’deridex & Voyager. How about two Defiants, one Akira, & Prometheus against three D’deridex as seen in Voyage series?
i think if this 1v1 was accurate the angry knife ears wouldnt have been so decisive in the dominion war.
If you had cloaked the self destruct would have taken you out.
Have they ever upgraded that warbird?
Voyager was a combat ship by the end of the series.
the question is would the romulans even start a fight
id imagine they wouldn't
two scenarios on the border of romulan space they would have seen it coming and janeway probably would have plotted a course around romulan territorial space.
in a delta quadrant encounter would they fight though several thousand light years from home decades away from any support.
we saw in star trek nemesis and that one tng episode the enterprise was trapped frozen in time with the romulan ship, as well as with ds9 when they joined the dominion war
that they are not unwilling to work together with the federation at times and we saw at the gallorndon core incident that they can be reasonable in extreme circumstances.
i don't think they would fight i think it would be the beginning of a lost fleet scenario where all the lost ships band together and make for home.
more interesting is what Voyager would be like given weve seen from ds9 and from the game star trek elite force that federation tech has always been able to work with other species technology granted it may take an o'brian and a half's worth of coaxing to make it not fly apart at the seams.
One is a battleship meant to discourage conflict, one is a science vessel...
I mean if it could take on The Borg it should indefinitely be able to take on the Romulan Warbird
This must be a special Intrepid class? There's no way a regular Intrepid beats a regular D'Deridex. You're talking about a medium cruiser vs a battleship.
This was the Voyager just before endgame, so it had some enhancements over a stock Intrepid class. 🖖
Even a stock Intrepid class - if piloted well, could defeat a single Warbird.
What about a Borg enhanced Voyager, modified to survive a battle against a Species8476/Undine ship. It should survive a Romulan Warbird
Why not use a standard intrepid class starship vs one D'Deridex class romulan starship. Just for the fun of it.
Boom vs three khan’s
You know is possible editing shield the intrepid class same value of the d'deridex using txd or make more strong, everting is editable 😂.
If you knew the Romulans were gonna self-destruct, why didn't you just warp away?
There is no such option in this mod sadly 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I could have swore I've seen you use in-system warp before.
@@ryanbrochu3336 yes. That would have been Kobayahsimaru, this particularly battle was in bridge commander remastered 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming ahh.......
No way lol. As much as I like Voy, a D'deridex would kick a pre-future armor Voyager's a** every single time.
Um no the voyager should not ever be strong enough to take on the warbird.
futurama LOL
Tamalok😂
I'm not buying it. A warbird was the equivalent of the Galaxy class and Voyager is what the equivalent of a destroyer at most? Maybe three voyagers but anything less ....
Voyager is a frigate, it stands no chance
I find your videos a wonderful distraction from all the crap that's going on in the States right now.
what is this balance lmao. galaxy from generations shits on voyager and D'deridex being way more powerfull ship is basicly dying to it? seriously :D. Even in TNG 1 forward disruptor volley takes down shields of Enterprise to 30% (and this is no torps volley).
No it cant.