Using a continuous loop to create multiple simple hammock suspension options: Marlinspike hitch, Becket hitch, cinch buckles, descender rings, and more.
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Awesome video. All the rigging possible in a few short minutes. Thank you for all the options. Actually saved the video and use the different options on different hikes!
This video was very helpful I have the free soldier hammock comes with just one in h long straps very bad for drip lines big help saved me money as I was ordering Dutch clips
Great info, thanks for sharing. I particularly like the zero hardware options at the end. Knots save money and weight... quite a bit in some cases. (Of course knots are kinda my thing as a rescue technician).
I actually just installed rap rings on 15" Amsteel Continuous Loops in my Dutchware NylonD. I like the cinch buckles on my cheap Amazon hammock but I find it easier to thread the webbing through rap rings when my hands are shaky from cold and fatigue, or when I'm wearing gloves.
why replace the gathered end cordage with a continuous loop other than the few micrograms of weight savings? I do not imagine it's that much stronger... so why not forego it altogether and just use the whoopee by itself.
I just weighed a few loops for comparison. A typical rope loop like off an ENO, Grand Trunk, etc., weighs between 12 and 20 grams. A Dyneema loop weighs 4 grams. The difference is significant, especially for folks looking to shave weight wherever they can. Using the smaller-diameter Dyneema means you can use lighter suspension options like the Whoopie Hook, which is a scan few grams compared with a 5 oz carabiner, for example. The weight rating can also be significant. Amsteel is stronger than steel for its size, pushing 1,500 load strength. That said, I do agree with you generally that for most folks, these differences aren't necessary or desired. It's all about what your goals are and how you plan to achieve them.
Hello there, greetings from Denmark! Are 1.75 mm dyneema layed double as a continous loop okay? Or is to Better to just go with 7/64 of an inch as a loop I am looking to swap out my suspension system, using descender rings with the rope that comes with it, but I really like the cinch buckles.
Daniel Nash That old thing? Why, that's just some really cheap, basic poly rope that came with one of the hammocks. Nothing really descriptive. In fact, I couldn't tell you make or model. It is a generic 5 to 7 mm accessory rope.
Is there a reliable way to use a 27cm continuous loop to form a support whipping (i.e. looped through the hammock channel) and also form a suspension loop hitched behind this, or is this loop too short? I'm pretty new to all this. Perhaps I might add that hammock I wish to do this on is a WB Blackbird fitted with Whoopie Slings attached in a similar fashion. It looks as if it will be a close fit (if at all possible) and I'm hesitant to remove the well-fitted system if I can't replace it with something equally good or better.
Great videos, Derek! Thinking about UHMWPE straps (Venom straps or Spider 2.0 and 1.5 from Dutch) which are also slippery and not recommended for use with buckles...do you think descender rings would work instead?
I have a hammock that uses the strap on the end. Am thinking of switching it to an amsteel loop to try and save some weight (doing the AT trail soon so counting every ounce!). Do you think its a worthwhile switch?
Is it a strap loop or a long strap that is doubling as your suspension? If it is just a strap loop (my Grand Trunk hammock has one, for example) I would just keep it. One of the lightest suspension systems you can have is to use a long strap and tie a Becket Hitch. I recommend the Mule Tape straps from AntiGravityGear.com. It has the best weight to length ratio.
Hi there, you mentioned in a discussion we had by email using the double becket hitch with my dyneema line. The way you do it here seems slightly different from videos on RUclips , is it as effective with slippy dyneema ? Thanks
+Kris Douglas By different, you mean how I loop it twice? Dyneema/Amsteel is super slippery, and with the Becket Hitch, you have to do a double becket, or a modified double becket to work with it.
+Derek Hansen hi Derek, I just meant in demo vids for it in the double it goes through and under twice kinda thing. You do a slippery so it's faster and easier to take out. Is it the same strength ? If that makes sense
+Oldcoinsandstuff1 Yes. It can be difficult to thread a hammock through the carabiner (if you indeed mean to clip the carabiner directly to the hammock). There are pros and cons to each method and you need to balance what you need out of your kit. The continuous loop is a modular approach, allowing you to adapt different suspension systems, adjustments, hardware, etc. There is a small danger of the hammock fabric getting clipped into the hardware, so be aware of that. The carabiner provides a great clipping point, so whatever suspension method you use, it works best with a corresponding clipping point, such as a daisy-chain webbing. I guess my point is that the carabiner is fine so long as it matches what you need out of a suspension system. For example, if your goal is to go lightweight, it doesn't make much sense to use a carabiner (~5 oz) with a whoopie sling since there are lighter hardware options out there like a 3 g Whoopie Hook.
Only thin line fits in the Dutchware Whoopie Hook. The 7/64 inch Amsteel is what it is designed for. There may be smaller 2mm spectra line that will fit, but not the black cord shown.
Hmm. Maybe I'm being a little too loose with the definition, but I'm trying to make a point that it's just an end loop. At about the 45 second mark I try to make the distinction between a tied "continuous" loop and a true buried continuous loop. I hope you made it further in the video :)
That Marlin spike hitch... So simple, easy to undo, and effective! Bummed that I didn't think of it. The rest of the video was just bonus. Thank you!
Video loaded automatically after watching something similar. Had no intention of watching, but then I got to that cool PVC pipe trick. Stayed for the rest. Thanks!
2013 and still relevant... awesome video!
Awesome video. All the rigging possible in a few short minutes. Thank you for all the options. Actually saved the video and use the different options on different hikes!
Best hammock video ever. I bought the book too.
Nice explanation of all the most useful options
Derek - I missed this old video of yours and have to say... you have covered all options for a Continuous Loop!
Love your videos Derek, you've helped me make setting up my hammock and tarp so quick and easy.
This video was very helpful I have the free soldier hammock comes with just one in h long straps very bad for drip lines big help saved me money as I was ordering Dutch clips
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
Nice video. Great options. Thanks for sharing.
Absolutely outstanding!! Thank you sir for your video!! ✅✅✅✅✅✅✅
so much high tech goodies for low tech product. love it.
Great info, thanks for sharing.
I particularly like the zero hardware options at the end. Knots save money and weight... quite a bit in some cases.
(Of course knots are kinda my thing as a rescue technician).
Thanks Derek. So many things to know, so few things that I can remember! I like the weight of the becket hitch, too!
Once I discovered the Becket hitch (from your video on it) I can’t fathom doing anything else.
Great Info! Fantastic Video! Thanks For Sharing!
So much good informative in this video, thanks!
Excellent presentation.
Subscribed.
This is a great video! Really useful and clearly understood. First truly useful video i've seen in a few hours of looking.
Thanks Brett!
Awesome video!! So much useful info, well done!
Appreciated..
WOW INCREDIBLE!
After seeing your video, I am not going to buy anything but just a strap:) Thanks!
Thanks! I'm glad it was helpful!
I actually just installed rap rings on 15" Amsteel Continuous Loops in my Dutchware NylonD. I like the cinch buckles on my cheap Amazon hammock but I find it easier to thread the webbing through rap rings when my hands are shaky from cold and fatigue, or when I'm wearing gloves.
Great video; thanks!
This. Video. Well done.
Thanks. I got to the end before I noted your name and the book "The ultimate hang" I bought a few days ago... I was wondering :)
Yup, that's me.
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Great video.
super helpful info
I'd say dbl the becket hitch every time for safety
Any idea which is the best for rain break?
Maybe a best to worse list?
why replace the gathered end cordage with a continuous loop other than the few micrograms of weight savings? I do not imagine it's that much stronger... so why not forego it altogether and just use the whoopee by itself.
I just weighed a few loops for comparison. A typical rope loop like off an ENO, Grand Trunk, etc., weighs between 12 and 20 grams. A Dyneema loop weighs 4 grams. The difference is significant, especially for folks looking to shave weight wherever they can. Using the smaller-diameter Dyneema means you can use lighter suspension options like the Whoopie Hook, which is a scan few grams compared with a 5 oz carabiner, for example.
The weight rating can also be significant. Amsteel is stronger than steel for its size, pushing 1,500 load strength.
That said, I do agree with you generally that for most folks, these differences aren't necessary or desired. It's all about what your goals are and how you plan to achieve them.
Thanks
Hello there, greetings from Denmark!
Are 1.75 mm dyneema layed double as a continous loop okay? Or is to Better to just go with 7/64 of an inch as a loop
I am looking to swap out my suspension system, using descender rings with the rope that comes with it, but I really like the cinch buckles.
I'd stick with 7/64.
Why can't you clip a large Carabiner directly through the gathered end channel?
What type of line is the black one you primarily demonstrate with?
Daniel Nash That old thing? Why, that's just some really cheap, basic poly rope that came with one of the hammocks. Nothing really descriptive. In fact, I couldn't tell you make or model. It is a generic 5 to 7 mm accessory rope.
what straps are those ? The grey web with the yellow amsteel
I use DD rope cable-stayed knot loop and straps with buckle. Which material is better for this thin continuus loop?
For small stuff, the Zing-it or Lash-it works great.
Is there a reliable way to use a 27cm continuous loop to form a support whipping (i.e. looped through the hammock channel) and also form a suspension loop hitched behind this, or is this loop too short? I'm pretty new to all this.
Perhaps I might add that hammock I wish to do this on is a WB Blackbird fitted with Whoopie Slings attached in a similar fashion. It looks as if it will be a close fit (if at all possible) and I'm hesitant to remove the well-fitted system if I can't replace it with something equally good or better.
M00nsplitter I got it figured out now.
Great videos, Derek! Thinking about UHMWPE straps (Venom straps or Spider 2.0 and 1.5 from Dutch) which are also slippery and not recommended for use with buckles...do you think descender rings would work instead?
Thanks! I think it would work. Try it out. I was happily surprised that the Dyneema line held. I imagine that the UHMWPE will perform similarly.
Thanks!
I have a hammock that uses the strap on the end. Am thinking of switching it to an amsteel loop to try and save some weight (doing the AT trail soon so counting every ounce!). Do you think its a worthwhile switch?
Is it a strap loop or a long strap that is doubling as your suspension? If it is just a strap loop (my Grand Trunk hammock has one, for example) I would just keep it. One of the lightest suspension systems you can have is to use a long strap and tie a Becket Hitch. I recommend the Mule Tape straps from AntiGravityGear.com. It has the best weight to length ratio.
@@DerekHansen thanks, will look into it.
Hi there, you mentioned in a discussion we had by email using the double becket hitch with my dyneema line. The way you do it here seems slightly different from videos on RUclips , is it as effective with slippy dyneema ? Thanks
+Kris Douglas By different, you mean how I loop it twice? Dyneema/Amsteel is super slippery, and with the Becket Hitch, you have to do a double becket, or a modified double becket to work with it.
+Derek Hansen hi Derek, I just meant in demo vids for it in the double it goes through and under twice kinda thing. You do a slippery so it's faster and easier to take out. Is it the same strength ? If that makes sense
+Kris Douglas a double sheet bend or becket hitch would have the same amount of friction as a slippery single as the cordage is doubled over.
+cjman7 great thanks. Your method saves going round twice so much quicker and easier phew lol
Have you ever just put a carabiner on the hammock instead of the loop?
+Oldcoinsandstuff1 Yes. It can be difficult to thread a hammock through the carabiner (if you indeed mean to clip the carabiner directly to the hammock). There are pros and cons to each method and you need to balance what you need out of your kit. The continuous loop is a modular approach, allowing you to adapt different suspension systems, adjustments, hardware, etc. There is a small danger of the hammock fabric getting clipped into the hardware, so be aware of that.
The carabiner provides a great clipping point, so whatever suspension method you use, it works best with a corresponding clipping point, such as a daisy-chain webbing. I guess my point is that the carabiner is fine so long as it matches what you need out of a suspension system. For example, if your goal is to go lightweight, it doesn't make much sense to use a carabiner (~5 oz) with a whoopie sling since there are lighter hardware options out there like a 3 g Whoopie Hook.
Will the black continious loop fit into the hook end of the Dutchware Whoopie hook?
Only thin line fits in the Dutchware Whoopie Hook. The 7/64 inch Amsteel is what it is designed for. There may be smaller 2mm spectra line that will fit, but not the black cord shown.
Thanks Derek!
That isn't a continuous loop. Isn't a continuous loop buried within itself? That's just a bight with an overhand knot
Hmm. Maybe I'm being a little too loose with the definition, but I'm trying to make a point that it's just an end loop. At about the 45 second mark I try to make the distinction between a tied "continuous" loop and a true buried continuous loop. I hope you made it further in the video :)