A big thank you to the TLM guys for U2 week. And for being good sports/noble knights for taking all the vitriol in the comments on the album review video.(especially around the Achtung Baby "controversy" .) ....we love you guys. TLM rocks
Approximately Infinite Universe is a really good album and I bet that most people who say that they hate her have not heard a single note from it (or any other of her albums).
The U2 hate I think is more about Bono's self importance and preaching rather then the music. You can forgive a band a couple of bad albums but when they start getting preachy and think they know what it's like to live a normal life on their 100 plus million fortune that becomes very annoying.
The thing that gets me about Goo Goo Dolls is people who praise someone like Goo Goo Dolls, why do they then go on to hate on bands like Matchbox Twenty, Train, Nickelback? I completely agree, it is just good pop rock, and I personally like all of those bands and I personally don't understand the backlash they get. I also love bands like Oasis and Coldplay who also seem to get a lot of hate. The problem I have with Radiohead is, not that "I don't get them", it is just the stuff after OK Computer I am not really into. I also feel like Radiohead are one of those bands that are really overrated by fans and critics alike. They also come across as one of those art rock bands that also come across as overly pretentious. I have also never understood the hate that Phil Collins gets. When it comes to John Mayer, yeah, he used to be a bit of a douche, he seems more likeable now. The main thing that frustrates me about John Mayer is that he seems incredibly talented, not just as a guitarist but as a songwriter, but he never seems to reach his full potential. Continuum was the closest he has come to a good to great album, even then though, I don't feel he ever fully captures his live energy on record. Another band that gets quite a lot of hate is Green Day. I personally love Green Day up to American Idiot. Pop punk in general. I like a good bit of it, but people love to hate on it. I do wonder if people actually do hate a lot of these bands, or whether the cultural zeitgeist of music snobs has come to a consensus that if you like these bands and not particularly into the critics favourites like The Beatles and Radiohead, then you "aren't a real music fan".
And then there's critics like Scaruffi who thinks the Beatles and Radiohead write trivial music that should be burned in a bonfire while Captain Beefheart & Hash Jar Tempo should be on the dollar bill.
@@SomeSong2 I'm always just as suspicious of people who like nothing that's popular and everything was weird and out of there as I am of those who only like the stuff everyone else does. To me it smacks of a cooler than thou mentality that I find tedious and pretentious and arrogant. It's a sort of attitude among a lot of punk journalists along with the idea you have to be working class to produce music of any value - I remember wanting to shout through the screen at a bunch of UK art music snobs that they didn't regard Arcade Fire as having any artistic value because they all went to Ivy League colleges. Now maybe there are legit reasons not to rate Arcade Fire but fuck that reverse snobbery bs.
I definitely agree that Radiohead is overrated. OK Computer is a masterpiece, and The Bends and Kid A are great albums too. However, I listened to their catalogue recently and honestly, post-Kid-A, nothing really stood out for me. Even In Rainbows I thought was just fine. My Top 10 songs is even all from The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A. I liked all the albums post Kid-A, and the production on all of theme is fantastic, but for me anyway, none of those albums I would call masterpieces. King of Limbs literally sounds like "what Radiohead sounds like to people who don't like Radiohead: a bunch of bleeps and bloops". I think they dabbled way too much in electronica, ambient and experimental and pretty much threw away their rock side. Having said all this, I do respect Radiohead a lot. Just don't love them, besides their three of their albums. M20 I think are pretty well liked now. "Push"' and "3 AM" are now considered among the best post-alternative songs of the 90s. Nickleback, I think people are starting to come around on. These bands - alongside Phil Collins, Coldplay, U2, etc - omnipresence on both rock and pop radio I think really hurts them for the hardcore music fan. Train, eh, I think critically they're still derided but the general music listener probably likes them. Coldplay did a similar thing to Radiohead in that they threw away their rock sound, but whereas Radiohead went more experimental and electronic, Coldplay went full pop in the 2010s. It worked well for them commercially but alienated a lot of indie/alternative fans. Jason hates Green Day, but all of Green Day's albums from their debut to American Idiot are all fantastic IMO.
I love a lot of Yoko Ono's albums, except the really experimental tracks. She has a lot of excellent songs and her album "Approximately Infinite Universe" is one of my favorite double albums. My least favorite bands are Bon Jovi and Nickelback.
Some not mentioned: - Miley Cyrus (similar issues as with Bieber) - Rush (the issue being Geddy Lee's Mickey Mouse vocals, as someone put it) - Chicago ( after it became Peter Cetera's support band) - Boston (as with Rush it seems a love/hate option) - Queen (in the 80's, etc.) - Bee Gees gone disco - Nelly Furtado - Britney Spears - the Monkeys (with compliments from the Byrds) - Extreme - Marillion (the Genesis comparison...) etc.
Bands - Oasis, U2, Weezer spring to mind. Especially the first two - they regularly appear in comments columns. I like all three but Weezer I love. Solo Artists - Phil Colllins, Noel Gallgher, Liam Gallagher.
Someone in the comments has already made a great call with Sting. I've always wondered , where are the people who buy his records and have made them gold/platinum selling ? Cause anyone i've ever met who loves music , hates him. The Police on the other hand are loved by many(me included) , and more so as the years go by. Yeah, a head scratcher that one..
Hate is a strong word. Here are a few artists I've never been enamored with. In the 60's there was Bobby Goldsboro & Ray Stevens. The 70's had Billy Joel, KISS & ABBA. The 80's brought Madonna, Bon Jovi & the genre of hair metal. 90's Green Day.
In the '90s, my sister was good friends with a work colleague whom I never met. One of the 3 or 4 things I knew about her was that she really hated Phil Collins.
Tommy James and the Shondells, Grateful Dead (especially their country covers), Bob Dylan, Bon Jovi, Warrant/Slaughter/Cinderella, and yes, The Goo Goo Dolls.
I find James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem kinda obnoxious. First it was the false alarm 'farewell shows' as MSG, then a 20+ day residency at a venue in Brooklyn. That said, they're not the worst, and he may not have been responsible for those (successful marketing) campaigns.
Many seem to be down on Sting/Police because of Sting being Sting with the whole rainforest Bono kinda thing and supposed self-importance which was a catalyst in the Police’s ‘hiatus’ (they never officially broke up). I love The Police’s discography and also highly recommend Sting’s first four albums. Also, Phil Collins/‘80’s Genesis. Phil’s 80’s solo work often surpasses the band’s work of the same era (in my opinion). Especially Face Value and Hello, I Must Be Going are must-hears for lovers of great (pop)music.
First band that comes to mind since they've got a new album out: Red Hot Chili Peppers. Maybe not as hated as U2 or Coldplay, but still, I've seen a lot of hate directed towards, especially during the Stadium Arcadium days when they were basically everywhere. To me, they're one of my fav bands.
Cliff Richard! Everyone has written him off as the British answer to Elvis and he hasn't exactly helped his reputation by portraying this nicer than nice image and getting behind Christian popular movements... But everyone forgets that pre Beatles his music dominated the charts, and I'd still rate him as one of the finest vocalists to come out of the UK.
Artists whose early discs I loved and later on I couldn't stand: David Gilmour's Pink Floyd, 80's Genesis, and Yes, Ozzyless Black Sabbath, and late Coldplay, Muse, U2. Acclaimed artists I always found painful listening to: Rush, War On Drugs, Hold Steady, and any hair metal and trash metal band.
Love Kramzer's (sort of ) rant near the end of the video. I'm sure he'd just consumed his 10th beer and was on a roll lol . Awesome Kramzer , you're the best . Hats off to Jason and Joe as well. Very entertaining week
John Butler Trio Ben Lee Muse and absolutely agree about Goo Goo Dolls. Dizzy Up The Girl isn’t doing anything innovative but damn it’s a great pop record.
CCR, Bon Jovi, RHCP, Green Day, Dave Matthews, No Doubt, Queen, and any band with a number in their name like Matchbox 20, Blink 182, Sum 41 and especially U2
I'm stunned no one picked The Grateful Dead. They're maybe THE "love em or hate em" band there is. You guys tend to not even really mention them much, though. You ought to do a ranking of all of their studio albums, it'd be an interesting twist since they're known as a live band and the studio albums are largely ignored.
It seems like The Grateful Dead are a blind spot for these guys... or maybe they just don't like them. (They've never mentioned The Dead once in any of the "Album of the Year" or "Song of the Year" episodes.) I would love to see them eventually do a Dead listography, but I feel like an exception should be made to include their top live albums, because ignoring the live side of The Dead is missing the whole point of the band.
@@walterevans5658 I didn't mean to suggest The Dead's studio albums are bad. In fact, almost all of them are good (and a couple are absolute classics.) I just think their live legacy is the biggest reason why they matter to music history.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 They never appeared on my top lists either but I still like much of their stuff, they are just not that highly ranked in those loaded years when they were active. They have a number of good studio albums and a Listography would be quite interesting. This may be another case of a reject because their deadhead fans make such big waves and sometimes their mentioning among the real great bands is just not justified. For me, they were a good band but not a great one.
Rush. Some people just dont get it. Mostly bc of Geddys voice, but it never bothered me. Actually some of his vocals in the 70s and 80s are very unique and awesome.
I tuned in to some live performance by Wilco and I remember getting the impression; during the interlude to the song; that the stage was going to become splashed with spotlight beams and would then start rotating like a merry go round while the spotlights revolved in the opposite direction (making Wilco look like they were spinning even faster) It seemed like that kind of music; and that is just about all I know about Wilco; and hate is a very strong term for a band that you've only heard for a couple minutes. But, they never spun around, I didn't have to shove a finger down my throat and so I guess they can slide...
Pretty much any boy band, Randy Newman, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, The Go-Gos, Elvis Costello, Ed Sheeran, Maroon 5, Kiss, Billy Joel, Weezer, Spice Girls, John Mayer, Limp Bizkit, Incubus, Jack White. The act I simply adore that most people I know seem to be indifferent about or absolutely loathe is Sting. I love the whole catalog, but maybe due to my age gravitate more to certain solo work over the Police. I admit plenty of his songs I just never need to hear again, which is why sometimes his concerts can be a drag. He has so many good deep tracks I'll never tire of hearing. "Message in a Bottle" I would be fine never hearing ever again. It's such an uncool thing to admit, but when it comes to 1991 albums, I'll take Soul Cages any day over Nevermind. It just moves me like Nevermind never did. The Last Ship had such an impact on me. Such an impressive later work. God, the lyrics on that one! His most personal and autobiographical. Maybe my favorite album of the last 10 years. 44/876 with Shaggy was album of the summer 2018 for me. 🤷♂️ I have a soft spot for Sting's songwriting. I will admit most of Sting's music videos are really bad.
Thoughtful guy. I agree on the bands you don't like though early Randy Newman did some greats songs about Louisiana and Baltimore and other cities and states. Costello's early new wave was terrific and he shouldn't have gone crooner-ish. Sometimes it's good not to grow and diversify, but no one on this ship will admit that. Never heard Soul Cages album but Fields of Gold (song) is a treasure and Ships is haunting.
@@oppothumbs1 Never liked Costello's singing voice, never heard one song of his I didn't think sounded mediocre, but none of that really matters. It's always been the Ray Charles/James Brown controversy I've never been able to get over. I could kinda forgive it if I thought his music was any good. I'm definitely not a cancel culture kinda guy, but whenever I hear that lame voice I just automatically think about that incident that has haunted his career.
Now I kinda want to see the TLM trio tackle the discography of Styx so I can further understand Kramzer’s vitriolic disdain towards the band and how much I disagree.
I can understand people not liking their more bombastic material, but their best work has some very unique pop/rock dynamics, especially the Equinox and Cornerstone albums.
Styx can produce some very effective atmospheres in songcraft. The topic addressed in Miss America makes me immediately think of This Year’s Girl by Elvis Costello. So they can write substantial songs once in a while. The Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight came out when I was 16 & 17 respectively. I listened to them quite a lot. To me it was a product of its time. But I think I just found other things more interesting years later.
I always thought the issue with Radiohead was an overabundance of plaintive vocal styling and it was the innovative instrumental performances that were the asset. Maybe time for a rethink.
I think there are some bands who are prominent in this category but only really on one side of the Atlantic. U2 are probably one of those that make it on both sides as do Coldplay and Justin Bieber. On the US side, the likes of Kiss, Creed, Dave Matthews Band, John Mayer and Counting Crows were either never really that big in the UK or had relatively fleeting mass success, While The Eagles are/were fairly big here, and I am sure there are plenty of Brits who can't stand them, they are still fairly easy to avoid. I do think Queen might be the mirror image of The Eagles in this. Yes, they did very well in the States, but, like The Eagles, it is in their home country where they have the biggest-selling album ever with a Greatest Hits collection. Despite this, a substantial number of Brits find them somewhat overblown and melodramatic. Of course, the ultimate example, of a band that mean almost nothing in the US but were massively successful in the UK but get a lot of ridicule are Status Quo.
Love KISS since growing up in the 70’s but I definitely understand people hating them. Love Styx! My first concert. The Grand Illusion album classic. Pieces of eight classic.
The more I listen to Kansas (I'm talking about the 70's version of them) the more I like them....and the same goes for Styx. Great American progressive rock, especially the former band....
I'm a generation older than you guys are, but I absolutely hated Journey. They were so popular, and it wasn't a opinion my friends shared. I always loved U2, but I remember them all the way back to the first album. I haven't been as keen on them in the last 20 years or so, but like most bands, they have a definite "sell by" date.
With avant-garde music, there's a line between ambitious experiments and reminders of why "The Emperor's New Clothes" is one of the greatest children stories ever written.
Collective Soul. Not sure people hate them but they certainly do not get much credit or comparison to bands of that era. I really like them and was lucky enough to see them perform live in a relatively small venue in Newfoundland.
Early SP is good but I can understand how people don’t like them because of his voice. Hell, his voice on XYU is too much for me. Oh, and he’s a douchebag who was on Alex Jones and hasn’t even voted since 1992.
@@whenfatkillsfat803 *Adore* is the only SP I like/and own, because they left grunge for cyber-goth. *Machina* ®2000 single *StandInsideYourLove* is almost grunge again ,but it's a refined produced grunge.
We'll have to stand on a corner in Winslow, Arizona or walk through Bedford Stuy alone to get them mentioned. Maybe even ride our motorcycle in the rain.
I don't hate Counting Crowes but I heard "Mr Jones" for the first time a few years back and I fell in love with the song so I decided to check out August and Everything After. I was very disappointed that "Mr Jones" was the only song of it's kind on the album. Everything else is very downbeat and mellow. It really bummed me out because I thought there would be more upbeat alt-flavoured jangle-pop songs like "Mr Jones". Felt like a bait and switch. I like the Chili Peppers but they are a band that I need to be in a very specific mood to listen to. Also a lot of their 80s funk rap metal stuff is terrible. Same with U2 and Pearl Jam for me. But I'm weird because I like Creed and Nickelback and a lot of the post-grunge stuff. After Chester's death I think they've been re-evaluated and are seen generally as a good band but Linkin Park I remember in the late-2000s/early-2010s were made fun of constantly by people my age.
The John Mayer discourse is understandable. The guy was a tool. For sure. However, the thing I admire about him is that he owned up to it. He called himself out on it, proclaiming to be a "Recovering Ego-Maniac." The man was handed the world before the age of 30. I get it. And he didn't win back people overnight. It took years. He's finally in a pocket now where even most of his haters can acknowledge that he's made moves to better himself and his actions as a human being. He recently proclaimed himself in an interview as "America's Ex-Boyfriend", which is pretty accurate. I've always respected him as an artist. His third record " Continuum" is an undeniable masterful album, and his work with the John Mayer Trio is astounding.
I knew he was a pop star but had never heard anything until he's on stage with Clapton, BB King etc and was surprised he held his own. Then he steps into the extremely large shoes of Jerry Garcia's position in Dead & Company which is (Grateful Dead) my thing. He was mostly unfamiliar with their vast catalog and in their half-century tradition of we'll learn and gel (improv) on stage as we go. He's not psychedelic but he's good. Interesting guy and a great interview too!
Kiss U2 Coldplay Beatles Dylan Springsteen /eagles Not all of these are personal choices Forgot red hot chill peppers and Duran Duran and finally guns and Roses
One of the first examples that comes to mind is Weezer. I love them, especially the pre-2005 stuff, but I'll be damned if I'm going to say I like Weezer in public.
I don't get the Weezer hate. Are they the greatest band? NO, but they surely have released some decent material, even up to their much-maligned releases from last year. There is a LOT worse out there.
if you haven't seen it yet, check out the SNL skit where Matt Damon argues with Leslie Jones at a holiday dinner about which era of Weezer is the best. Really funny!
Maroon 5 has gotten a lot of hate over the years, and I agree that most of that hate is very deserved. But I’ll always defend their first three albums, cause it’s actually pretty good pop rock with some funk. Somehow, a switch got flipped after Adam Levine started on “The Voice”, and his “band” has sucked ass ever since!
Popular hated artists/bands (not that I hate these artists, these are what I see out there) Sabbath "Dio" era Nickleback Pet Shop Boys Simply Red The Cure Chicago Vanilla Ice/MC Hammer Milli Vanilli Paul Mccartney (I guess it's the Lennon lovers) Genesis (Phil Collins era)(although that's my favourite era)
a singer I loved when I was young that was seen as wimpy or "old people music" was Barry Manilow. Still love Barry! Ditto the Carpenters, but I feel they've gone thru a re=appraisal as modern young people have discovered what an amazing voice Karen had. Another artist who is now seen as very white bread and mediocre is Phil Collins, but I think he has some amazing solo albums. And lastly, I would say Sting. People love to make fun of his outsize personality and his pompous behavior at times and say his solo work is "jazz-lite" etc, but I am a devoted fan and think he has some stellar solo albums.
I think I like Third Eye Blind for the same reason Kram likes the goo goo dolls. It’s just very fun late 90s jangle pop with catchy vocals with some taboo lyrics, what’s to hate?
I dont think anyone hates Third Eye Blind anymore. Even Pitchfork had to give their debut album a good review for its 25th anniversary. They obviously wouldnt have gave it good review if they reviewed it in 1997.
Joe makes a great point about Ryan Adams. Even before all the recent revelations about him , i've always found something a bit weird, off putting about his work. I definitely have always found him overrated for sure. a "protected species" with critics. So i don't feel anything about his recent fall from grace. His music just did not have the impact on me it did with others. Have always preferred Bryan Adams myself. Good old sing along good time rock tunes. Now that's an artist
Macklemore. Started out as a well respected underground MC with a lot of passionate fans. Once Thrift Shop was everywhere, almost overnight he became the punching bag of the music industry.
I really don't know why I don't like U2 but Bono as a person has always been so strange. He loves a lot of writers I started reading when I was a kid like Bukowski and Burroughs (he was even on Bukowski's documentary and invited Burroughs to appear in a video they did) but every time I listen anything by them after the 80's I really can't stand it. Also, hating Kiss is just missing on somme good fun tbh.
From the early 1990s I'd say Michael Bolton got some hate. I remember people not digging Alanis Morissette in 1995. Of course the Boy bands from the late 90s. Britney Spears for a short time in the 00s got stick
I read somewhere that when the Counting Crowes were at their peak, their lead singer would half-ass the hits when performing live and go from singing to more of a spoken word. I don’t think he understood that people pay good money to hear Mr. Jones sung, not read like a poem. Coldplay is a blatant U2 ripoff. I enjoy U2 and saw them with Beck a few years ago, and Bono tries to portray himself as a patriotic American when he’s from Ireland. I think it’s funny and refer to him as being “Bono-y” but I think it turns a lot of people off. My two cents. Oh, and Kiss live is an insane show!
Three Dog Night & Grand Funk. Record shoppers in the Midwest hate them with a passion. People bought them for the two hit cover songs on each album back in the day and get mad at the record clerks when they wanna trade up to some ridiculous level of high quality album for them.
Grand Funk. I don't hate them. But the critics loathe them; here's a quote from my Encyclopaedia of Rock on my shelf: mediocre, head banging outfit for whom right place, right time was their formula to success.
A lot of older guys will come in to the store and do the Martin Popoff thing where they talk ours ear off about how much they hated the success they got over some of the acts the buying public, at that time, ignored, like Budgie, Uriah Heep, Buffalo etc.
Sometimes it's not specifically the music but, like, a personality thing or maybe a cultural moment thing. Like John Mayer; it's not that he can't play or sing or write... it's something about him that some people just can't take. Or Axl Rose. With a band like the Dave Matthews Band or, say, Nickelback or Creed, they have a moment when people kinda like the first few singles, but they become like acid-wash jeans; all of a sudden, everybody seems to have had enough of them, all at once. Nothing about the music changed, just the way people saw it. U2 is having that moment; a generation has decided that they're bloated and dated.
Nickelback-I understand the hatred. Kroeger's voice is aggravating. They have THE absolute worst song of 2001. BTW, I like 2 songs by Chad but Nickelback sucks!! Backstreet Boys-I don't like the hate they've received. They were all good singers in their prime. Nysnc-Justin Timberlake. Enough said. Creed-I understood. They were a heavy metal band with sappy #1 ballads. Bee Gees-i wasn't alive during their prime but I can understand. There was no escaping them from 76-80. BTW, I love the Bee Gees.
Not a big Backstreet fan, but I DO have a soft spot for about 4 of their hits.......................other than that, I can take or leave them. Far as NSYNC, never been a fan but I DO like some of Justin's solo stuff (especially Rock Your Body). He really matured as an artist when he went solo, far as I'm concerned.
In middle school, I loved Styx Pieces of Eight. Having said that, their song Lords of the Rings is laughable, it is so bad. You all listed many of the main offenders, but Pearl Jam, Cold Play and Dave Matthews are the best of the worst.
Red Hot Chillipeppers.- adored by their fans, sell bucketloads of records, and they're clearly good musicians who are more than passionate about what they do. Hell, Flea has even admitted to loving the Gang of Four which makes him cool in my book..But..there's i think a fair number of people out there who hate them. Critics in particular i think have turned on them ( or maybe the critics have always been split on them , i'm thinking)..i've never liked them .Found their half assed rock -funk ( especially the "funk " part) , really lame and just bland as hell. Anthony Kiedis is also another reason i can't stand them . I'll leave it at that.
You should hear their new song, Poster Child; it's so awful, the lyrics so childish and pandering, that I can't stop telling friends to listen to it. And I agree about Flea; I even like some of the acting he's done. One of their former members, Cliff Martinez, has done some good soundtracks and played with artists far superior to RHCP. I also give them some credit for being fans of George Clinton. I'd love to see a video on him, but they would have to break it up between his various bands. I'd prefer one on Funkadelic, mostly, but it would be a hard call.
I was a little kid in the late 70s and the Kiss backlash was palpable. People either didn’t know or forgot how innovative of an act they were in ‘74-‘75.
interesting topic, here goes journey [ people do not realize how talented they are and focus on some overplayed hits] spin doctors[ people i knew hated them , and they did not last long ] styx [ i want kramnz to tell me he has heard there 1st 7 or so albums] red hot chili peppers [ people have been jumping off board for awhile] bands i like to hate goo goo dolls counting crows dave matthews and [ im ready come get me👿 PHISH] neat topic tho🐯🐯🐯🐯
Yeah man can’t believe Journey didn’t make it … when I was a young kid Journey was not cool. It wasn’t “real rock.” Now I appreciate it and enjoy some of it. Enormous skill in that band.
Forgot to say this, I really love Black Veil Brides! And there are a ton of people that love this band, but they also have a ton of haters. The guitarists are extremely talented musicians. Both of them made an awesome guitar duo! It all depends if you like Andy Biersack or not. Me, I like him! He's a really good vocalist. Has a nice voice, but the problems people have with him is that they have a Hot Topic fan base. And they have that emo sound that not a lot of people care about! I love them to death! However, they've been doing a lot of concept albums lately and they're fantastic and work really well, except for Vale. That album is ok. But the new album The Phantom Tomorrow is a fantastic rock opera. One of my favorite rock albums of 2021. Really awesome band and one of my favorite 2010s bands! And I love more than Bring Me The Horizon and Asking Alexandria. Bring Me the Horizon is good, but overrated in my opinion. And Asking Alexandria hasn't been the same since Danny Wornsop came back in the band. They're the Fall Out Boy of metalcore. And they're not doing metalcore anymore, which disappoints me.
Def Leppard - Many Hard Rock/Metal people seem personally offended by Hysteria (and then Adrenalize made it worse, maybe much worse). I get it but I don't buy into it. Spin Doctors - Really confused by this one, didn't think enough people would even remember them to hate them and their 2 hits I remember were quite fun. Ted Nugent - Decent music (early on his career) but people can't get past his politics. Aerosmith - Similarities to Def Leppard here but I think the hate is even more warranted.That Armageddon song is horrible. Red Hot Chilli Peppers - I sit on the fence for these guys but I understand, I like some of their stuff but some of it is also boring/lame. Not sure why the hate for Counting Crows and Dave Matthews Band. They are what they are and are relatively inoffensive and both decent musicians/songwriters. Not really a fan of Counting Crows but not sure why they'd be hated. Metallica and Radiohead get hate because they changed their style for better or worse. Kram is right about avant-garde music, if people don't like it move on, it's supposed to be weird and pushing boundaries and it sometimes influences a lot of stuff which comes later.
I love Def Leppard. Yes, they are too soft and poppy for the real metalheads, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing (although Adrenalize was far from their best album). Spin Doctors I like and didn’t realize they were that commonly hated. Ted Nugent is decent but not great musically. As for his politics, I’m not as far right as he is, but I strongly agree that the music industry (save for country) has a left bias, and I would love to see more outspoken republicans just for the sake of balance. Metallica already got shit for changing their sound, but the Napster controversy and Lars generally having a confrontational nature about him is what really made them punching bags. I liked Radiohead in the 90s, but much of their output from Kid A onward was overrated.
@@someguy7424 I agree with most of what you said there. I'm also a much bigger fan of Radiohead's 90 stuff, they lost me a bit at Kid A and I am open to some avant-garde, eg Slint & Sonic Youth,. I just find their later stuff a bit boring but I'm not a fan of ambient music.
Ghost really is a band that gets a lot of hate from the heavy music crowd. likely due to their 1st album being pretty straight forward throwback doom. Since then they went all in on the gimmicks and a catchy sound. I love it but has made them quite decisive in the metal world.
Maroon 5 especially Adam Levine people to love to hate, I actually like Maroon 5, is it the best music that has ever been produced in the world by this band, no but I don't expect considering the genre they have gone for, Nickelback is another one that people seem to hate but I actually love, yes they are most famous for that video Rockstar which by the way I love that video and yes maybe their later stuff has become a bit more poppy and mainstream but that's the way most bands are going to be when they release music because that's the world we live in, for specific artist/singer I would go with Drake who people love to hate and I don't mind Drake, I like a couple of songs but I am not a massive fan of his.
I usually do not "hate" bands or artists - I just do not listen to stuff that I do not like. There are some critical cases however when there is music that you (for whatever reason) cannot avoid unless you spent your days in a cave like a hermit. Bee Gees (or disco at large) was something you just could not avoid if you grew up in the 70s and wanted to have any social life at all. And I was a child in the 60s, so no way to avoid Beatles. Do I hate them? We learn to live with bad weather and few die of headache, so what... (And no, Bee Gees are still as terrible as they ever were, regardless which period of their career you pick - no nostalgia at all.)
the Bee Gees are a great call. I've always loved (most of ) their music. I understand the hate ( especially back in the 80s and after they went disco in particular). I love the disco stuff personally.
@@deathfromabove77 Your alias does not tell your gender or age...but - I had just survived the ABBA years and now (at 18) had to face Saturday Night Fever...
@@roxannewalsh Hi Roxanne, understand your pain, and you're clearly not alone. The Brothers Gibb have always been a guilty pleasure for me, and i particularly love the disco records. I was probably 8-9 years old when Saturday Night Fever took over the universe so still have a decent sense of it's impact ( negative or positive , depending on your outlook) . Thought they were just great pop records , well made imo. But i definitely get the ...well not hate, but indifference shall we say to their work..
I think The Dead have inspired the most real hatred i have ever seen. Dylan. Pick-a-Beatle. Who really sucks - Styx and Kansas. Steve Perry's abysmal Journey. Red hotChili peppers and Bay City Rollers. EVERYBODY HATES TRISCUITS.
I don't hate them. But I agree on KISS; when I was at school the education system hated them. It said No Kiss, no KISS music or their paint or their stickers. There was also the Satanic Panic era of the 80's and the idea that KISS stood for Knights in Satan's Service.
Dunno if he really gets much hate, but I can't STAND Jackson Browne---and I can't figure out why. Great songwriter, decent enough singer, but never been able to get into him--but I DO like it when his songs are covered by other artists.......................The Eagles' cover of Take It Easy immediately comes to mind. Listening to him just does absolutely nothing for me.
The more I find out about Ryan Adams I just recoil in horror. Like how he would inject people with drugs who were recovering. It makes me puke to even think of him nowadays.
On that same note Alexis Marshall from Daughters has fallen from grace in recent months. His fans hate him now except for the chuds that like his edgy lyrics.
@@SomeSong2 In retrospect, I'm glad I missed the whole Ryan Adams train. I listened to some of his stuff for this channel's Album of the Year series and found it unremarkable. Why some people think he's a musical genius is baffling to me.
How can you not mention the Eagles??? The most successful band in American history is the absolute FIRST band I ever heard mentioned as HATED. Lebowski HATES them!! I'd also have to say Grateful Dead. Despite being one of the most successful American bands EVER, and the 2nd highest grossing live act in the '90's only to the Rolling Stones, people just seem to HATE them. Appreciate the owning up to U2. That takes courage. They're the 3rd band that come to mind.
When you’re young you can’t help but be under the cosh of cool..you get older and realise nobody’s looking over your shoulder any more and you can be more honest about what you like…older still and you don’t give a toss what other people think. Truth is there’s only two types of music.. the stuff you like and the stuff you don’t. Anybody that judges you are kidding themselves that taste is a real thing…it’s just cool with a different jacket on….that being said there is no excuse for St Winifred’s School Choir.
I have a wholly irrational hatred of Queen, pretty much everything post Day at the Races, but especially the 80s stuff. Realise this puts me in a small minority!
People complain about Pearl Jam because they didn't stay in their lane. It's just like people who were mad when Dylan went electric. They're not really music fans; they are genre fans. There's a new genre and a fad around it and if a band matures and evolves artistically, some people just feel betrayed. Which is kind of sad.
Bands and artists that I don’t like the music;Limp Biskit, Staind, Linkin Park, Kid Rock, Dream Theater, Foreigner, Chicago, Train. Bands and artists that I don’t like them personally but they have good music; Ted Nugent, Van Morrison, Morrissey, Happy Mondays, Marylin Manson, David Lee Roth, Malmesteen.
I *HATE* 80's Chicago but I think their late 60's early 70's stuff is great. Terry Kath was an amazing guitarist,and Jimi Hendrix was an early fan of the band.
@@joaopintojr6780 While I agree that their first three albums are their best I still like most of the stuff they did while Terry Kath was a member,which ended with Chicago XI in 1977. After that is when I lose interest.
@@TastesLikeMusic Say it ain't so, Joe... I will admit that he has power...but his vowels are wack.... For me, this is going back to high school, when they were omnipresent in the 'senior lounge'..and I couldn't understand why, say, the Clash or Sparks weren't on the radio....
As a person with Irish heritage, It definitely irritated me that U2 received such great praise and sales and were played so much more compared to Thin Lizzy, which I think is a far superior group and included a lot more Irish musical and historical elements in their music with more emotional resonance and better riffs, more sophisticated harmonies in the guitars and far better lyrics.
where is phil collins on this list?? personally i love his solo stuff, as well as genesis........ but he seemed to be hated by a lot of people in the 80s and 90s (especially after tarzan soundtrack)
True, Gen X hated Phil - "Boomer Pop". Then we got old. And suddenly, that _Against All Odds_ song was on our playlist, right next to "In The Air Tonight" - which, admittedly, was always there.
Love U2 and will die on that hill. Thanks for doing U2 week, TLM. Pearl Jam have a number of great songs. Counting Crows' first two albums were enjoyable--admittedly they don't have the greatest shelf life, but not hate-worthy. Surprised not to see Axel Rose of GnR here. He gets a lot of hate. Also surprised not to see named alongside Creed the Holy Hated Triumvirate from that era: Creed, Nickelback and Matchbox 20. Agree with Joe on calling out the two Adams. Couldn't ever get into Queen beyond a song or two. Bohemian Rhapsody has always been like nails down a chalkboard to me ever since I heard it as a child. ...But even then, "hate" is such a strong word. I wouldn't use it for any of them. Don't get why people hate on any recording artists in general. I get people not liking a band or singer. I get an aversion to a certain kind of sound or a particular voice or attitude. But to publicly, actively go out of one's way to hate on something that's subjective and/or a person(s) one has never even met but that may bring some joy into another's sh*tty life...Nah. It sounds silly just typing it. Thanks, Kramzer, for sort of calling that out at the end.
I love Styx because I am from Chicago. Yoko Ono is avant-garde and I agree with you. She did not break up the Beatles! Paul did. Yoko is a very creative person in her own right. Saw her art! I do love to hate the Carpenters... BORING. Yes, Karen had a great voice, still hated them. For the same reason, I love to hate Hall & Oates. Some good songs, but not enough to like them. Justin Bieber, I agree. Ed Sheeran is another I hate... BORING. The Eurythmics I loved and hated, depending on the song.
The Carpenters and Hall & Oates are in my top 25 of all time. Dig deeper into H&O. Their only good work was pre-1980 but it is enough to make them Top 25 for me. Abandoned Luncheonette is a classic and one of the best albums of all time IMHO. I hate Styx. Just had to get that in there. All due respect though!
A big thank you to the TLM guys for U2 week. And for being good sports/noble knights for taking all the vitriol in the comments on the album review video.(especially around the Achtung Baby "controversy" .) ....we love you guys. TLM rocks
Thank you, Ryan, for bringing up Yoko Ono. She never for a second tried to be mainstream, and she didn't break up the Beatles. Leave her alone
Approximately Infinite Universe is a really good album and I bet that most people who say that they hate her have not heard a single note from it (or any other of her albums).
Mind Train, from Yoko's album Fly, is spectacular. I'll play it for Krautrock fans and they usually dig it.
She's the best
Yoko’s Plastic Ono Band album is also really good and way ahead of its time. It also features some of John Lennon’s most intense guitar work.
@@roxannewalsh Death of a Samantha is such a fucking brilliant song.
Jason said "I've got 'Kiss On My List'." Is he trying to subliminally tell us we're gonna get a week dedicated to Hall & Oates? 😀
I noticed that, too. That would be cool
All for it, if so!
The guys got a great discography!!
The U2 hate I think is more about Bono's self importance and preaching rather then the music. You can forgive a band a couple of bad albums but when they start getting preachy and think they know what it's like to live a normal life on their 100 plus million fortune that becomes very annoying.
Bono's smug arrogance and self-importance are intolerable. So full of himself.
The thing that gets me about Goo Goo Dolls is people who praise someone like Goo Goo Dolls, why do they then go on to hate on bands like Matchbox Twenty, Train, Nickelback? I completely agree, it is just good pop rock, and I personally like all of those bands and I personally don't understand the backlash they get. I also love bands like Oasis and Coldplay who also seem to get a lot of hate. The problem I have with Radiohead is, not that "I don't get them", it is just the stuff after OK Computer I am not really into. I also feel like Radiohead are one of those bands that are really overrated by fans and critics alike. They also come across as one of those art rock bands that also come across as overly pretentious. I have also never understood the hate that Phil Collins gets.
When it comes to John Mayer, yeah, he used to be a bit of a douche, he seems more likeable now. The main thing that frustrates me about John Mayer is that he seems incredibly talented, not just as a guitarist but as a songwriter, but he never seems to reach his full potential. Continuum was the closest he has come to a good to great album, even then though, I don't feel he ever fully captures his live energy on record.
Another band that gets quite a lot of hate is Green Day. I personally love Green Day up to American Idiot. Pop punk in general. I like a good bit of it, but people love to hate on it.
I do wonder if people actually do hate a lot of these bands, or whether the cultural zeitgeist of music snobs has come to a consensus that if you like these bands and not particularly into the critics favourites like The Beatles and Radiohead, then you "aren't a real music fan".
And then there's critics like Scaruffi who thinks the Beatles and Radiohead write trivial music that should be burned in a bonfire while Captain Beefheart & Hash Jar Tempo should be on the dollar bill.
Iris is a great song.
@@SomeSong2 I'm always just as suspicious of people who like nothing that's popular and everything was weird and out of there as I am of those who only like the stuff everyone else does. To me it smacks of a cooler than thou mentality that I find tedious and pretentious and arrogant. It's a sort of attitude among a lot of punk journalists along with the idea you have to be working class to produce music of any value - I remember wanting to shout through the screen at a bunch of UK art music snobs that they didn't regard Arcade Fire as having any artistic value because they all went to Ivy League colleges. Now maybe there are legit reasons not to rate Arcade Fire but fuck that reverse snobbery bs.
I definitely agree that Radiohead is overrated. OK Computer is a masterpiece, and The Bends and Kid A are great albums too. However, I listened to their catalogue recently and honestly, post-Kid-A, nothing really stood out for me. Even In Rainbows I thought was just fine. My Top 10 songs is even all from The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A. I liked all the albums post Kid-A, and the production on all of theme is fantastic, but for me anyway, none of those albums I would call masterpieces. King of Limbs literally sounds like "what Radiohead sounds like to people who don't like Radiohead: a bunch of bleeps and bloops". I think they dabbled way too much in electronica, ambient and experimental and pretty much threw away their rock side. Having said all this, I do respect Radiohead a lot. Just don't love them, besides their three of their albums.
M20 I think are pretty well liked now. "Push"' and "3 AM" are now considered among the best post-alternative songs of the 90s. Nickleback, I think people are starting to come around on. These bands - alongside Phil Collins, Coldplay, U2, etc - omnipresence on both rock and pop radio I think really hurts them for the hardcore music fan. Train, eh, I think critically they're still derided but the general music listener probably likes them. Coldplay did a similar thing to Radiohead in that they threw away their rock sound, but whereas Radiohead went more experimental and electronic, Coldplay went full pop in the 2010s. It worked well for them commercially but alienated a lot of indie/alternative fans.
Jason hates Green Day, but all of Green Day's albums from their debut to American Idiot are all fantastic IMO.
I love a lot of Yoko Ono's albums, except the really experimental tracks. She has a lot of excellent songs and her album "Approximately Infinite Universe" is one of my favorite double albums. My least favorite bands are Bon Jovi and Nickelback.
You have great taste, and your videos are equally as great.
@@Onio_ Thank you! 🙂
Some not mentioned:
- Miley Cyrus (similar issues as with Bieber)
- Rush (the issue being Geddy Lee's Mickey Mouse vocals, as someone put it)
- Chicago ( after it became Peter Cetera's support band)
- Boston (as with Rush it seems a love/hate option)
- Queen (in the 80's, etc.)
- Bee Gees gone disco
- Nelly Furtado
- Britney Spears
- the Monkeys (with compliments from the Byrds)
- Extreme
- Marillion (the Genesis comparison...)
etc.
Bands - Oasis, U2, Weezer spring to mind. Especially the first two - they regularly appear in comments columns. I like all three but Weezer I love. Solo Artists - Phil Colllins, Noel Gallgher, Liam Gallagher.
Someone in the comments has already made a great call with Sting. I've always wondered , where are the people who buy his records and have made them gold/platinum selling ? Cause anyone i've ever met who loves music , hates him. The Police on the other hand are loved by many(me included) , and more so as the years go by. Yeah, a head scratcher that one..
Sting's first three studio records are awesome and creative. After that...shit. And The Police are one of my favorite bands.
Hate is a strong word. Here are a few artists I've never been enamored with. In the 60's there was Bobby Goldsboro & Ray Stevens. The 70's had Billy Joel, KISS & ABBA. The 80's brought Madonna, Bon Jovi & the genre of hair metal. 90's Green Day.
Eagles, Journey, Phil Collins (solo) come to mind immediately
In the '90s, my sister was good friends with a work colleague whom I never met. One of the 3 or 4 things I knew about her was that she really hated Phil Collins.
Seems that there are no in betweens. People either love him or hate him.
Tommy James and the Shondells, Grateful Dead (especially their country covers), Bob Dylan, Bon Jovi, Warrant/Slaughter/Cinderella, and yes, The Goo Goo Dolls.
I find James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem kinda obnoxious. First it was the false alarm 'farewell shows' as MSG, then a 20+ day residency at a venue in Brooklyn. That said, they're not the worst, and he may not have been responsible for those (successful marketing) campaigns.
Many seem to be down on Sting/Police because of Sting being Sting with the whole rainforest Bono kinda thing and supposed self-importance which was a catalyst in the Police’s ‘hiatus’ (they never officially broke up).
I love The Police’s discography and also highly recommend Sting’s first four albums.
Also, Phil Collins/‘80’s Genesis.
Phil’s 80’s solo work often surpasses the band’s work of the same era (in my opinion).
Especially Face Value and Hello, I Must Be Going are must-hears for lovers of great (pop)music.
Collins is kinda a douche through - dumped his second wife by text or phone message who does that!
First band that comes to mind since they've got a new album out: Red Hot Chili Peppers. Maybe not as hated as U2 or Coldplay, but still, I've seen a lot of hate directed towards, especially during the Stadium Arcadium days when they were basically everywhere. To me, they're one of my fav bands.
Cliff Richard! Everyone has written him off as the British answer to Elvis and he hasn't exactly helped his reputation by portraying this nicer than nice image and getting behind Christian popular movements... But everyone forgets that pre Beatles his music dominated the charts, and I'd still rate him as one of the finest vocalists to come out of the UK.
Agree, he has a great voice.
Artists whose early discs I loved and later on I couldn't stand: David Gilmour's Pink Floyd, 80's Genesis, and Yes, Ozzyless Black Sabbath, and late Coldplay, Muse, U2.
Acclaimed artists I always found painful listening to: Rush, War On Drugs, Hold Steady, and any hair metal and trash metal band.
1. Queen
2. Doobie Brothers
3. Journey
4. No Doubt
5. Queen
6. Black eyed Peas
7. Queen
You forgot Queen
Sun City Boys. Better known as Queen.
Love Kramzer's (sort of ) rant near the end of the video. I'm sure he'd just consumed his 10th beer and was on a roll lol . Awesome Kramzer , you're the best . Hats off to Jason and Joe as well. Very entertaining week
John Butler Trio
Ben Lee
Muse
and absolutely agree about Goo Goo Dolls. Dizzy Up The Girl isn’t doing anything innovative but damn it’s a great pop record.
CCR, Bon Jovi, RHCP, Green Day, Dave Matthews, No Doubt, Queen, and any band with a number in their name like Matchbox 20, Blink 182, Sum 41 and especially U2
I'm stunned no one picked The Grateful Dead. They're maybe THE "love em or hate em" band there is. You guys tend to not even really mention them much, though. You ought to do a ranking of all of their studio albums, it'd be an interesting twist since they're known as a live band and the studio albums are largely ignored.
It seems like The Grateful Dead are a blind spot for these guys... or maybe they just don't like them. (They've never mentioned The Dead once in any of the "Album of the Year" or "Song of the Year" episodes.) I would love to see them eventually do a Dead listography, but I feel like an exception should be made to include their top live albums, because ignoring the live side of The Dead is missing the whole point of the band.
And The Dead actually have some excellent studio records.
@@walterevans5658 I didn't mean to suggest The Dead's studio albums are bad. In fact, almost all of them are good (and a couple are absolute classics.) I just think their live legacy is the biggest reason why they matter to music history.
And it seems that Jason with his Americana love would like their studio albums.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 They never appeared on my top lists either but I still like much of their stuff, they are just not that highly ranked in those loaded years when they were active. They have a number of good studio albums and a Listography would be quite interesting. This may be another case of a reject because their deadhead fans make such big waves and sometimes their mentioning among the real great bands is just not justified. For me, they were a good band but not a great one.
Rush. Some people just dont get it. Mostly bc of Geddys voice, but it never bothered me. Actually some of his vocals in the 70s and 80s are very unique and awesome.
In his new book Nikki Six said if you like Rush we’re not going to get along. I’d fight Nikki Sixx in defense of Rush if I could.
Geddy Lee's voice is fine. I just don't think Rush's songs are that good.
Geddy has the voice only a 13 year old boy could love.
@@Twotontessie Eh, he's a douche.
I tuned in to some live performance by Wilco and I remember getting the impression; during the interlude to the song; that the stage was going to become splashed with spotlight beams and would then start rotating like a merry go round while the spotlights revolved in the opposite direction (making Wilco look like they were spinning even faster) It seemed like that kind of music; and that is just about all I know about Wilco; and hate is a very strong term for a band that you've only heard for a couple minutes. But, they never spun around, I didn't have to shove a finger down my throat and so I guess they can slide...
Pretty much any boy band, Randy Newman, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, The Go-Gos, Elvis Costello, Ed Sheeran, Maroon 5, Kiss, Billy Joel, Weezer, Spice Girls, John Mayer, Limp Bizkit, Incubus, Jack White.
The act I simply adore that most people I know seem to be indifferent about or absolutely loathe is Sting. I love the whole catalog, but maybe due to my age gravitate more to certain solo work over the Police. I admit plenty of his songs I just never need to hear again, which is why sometimes his concerts can be a drag. He has so many good deep tracks I'll never tire of hearing. "Message in a Bottle" I would be fine never hearing ever again.
It's such an uncool thing to admit, but when it comes to 1991 albums, I'll take Soul Cages any day over Nevermind. It just moves me like Nevermind never did.
The Last Ship had such an impact on me. Such an impressive later work. God, the lyrics on that one! His most personal and autobiographical. Maybe my favorite album of the last 10 years. 44/876 with Shaggy was album of the summer 2018 for me. 🤷♂️ I have a soft spot for Sting's songwriting.
I will admit most of Sting's music videos are really bad.
Thoughtful guy. I agree on the bands you don't like though early Randy Newman did some greats songs about Louisiana and Baltimore and other cities and states. Costello's early new wave was terrific and he shouldn't have gone crooner-ish. Sometimes it's good not to grow and diversify, but no one on this ship will admit that. Never heard Soul Cages album but Fields of Gold (song) is a treasure and Ships is haunting.
@@oppothumbs1 Never liked Costello's singing voice, never heard one song of his I didn't think sounded mediocre, but none of that really matters. It's always been the Ray Charles/James Brown controversy I've never been able to get over. I could kinda forgive it if I thought his music was any good. I'm definitely not a cancel culture kinda guy, but whenever I hear that lame voice I just automatically think about that incident that has haunted his career.
Air Supply. Actually saw them back in the day open for Rod Stewart.
Now I kinda want to see the TLM trio tackle the discography of Styx so I can further understand Kramzer’s vitriolic disdain towards the band and how much I disagree.
I can understand people not liking their more bombastic material, but their best work has some very unique pop/rock dynamics, especially the Equinox and Cornerstone albums.
Styx can produce some very effective atmospheres in songcraft. The topic addressed in Miss America makes me immediately think of This Year’s Girl by Elvis Costello. So they can write substantial songs once in a while.
The Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight came out when I was 16 & 17 respectively. I listened to them quite a lot. To me it was a product of its time. But I think I just found other things more interesting years later.
Regarding Eddie Vedder hatred, one I used to hear a lot was "Eddie Bedwetter."
I find Eddie Vedder a little too intense. I wouldn't say I hate him, only that he's a bit annoying
Pearl Jam was good up to Binaural. Then they embraced this lame Americana style music. They lost all their power
respect to kramzer for liking the goo goo dolls that much. i love them, especially since i am a buffalo native.
Artists I’ve noticed that get the most hate these days that weren’t mentioned are: five finger death punch, nickelback and Ted nugent
Attack! Attack! was one of the first bands that came to mind. Notorious for being part of the crabcore scene during the MySpace days.
I always thought the issue with Radiohead was an overabundance of plaintive vocal styling and it was the innovative instrumental performances that were the asset. Maybe time for a rethink.
I think there are some bands who are prominent in this category but only really on one side of the Atlantic. U2 are probably one of those that make it on both sides as do Coldplay and Justin Bieber.
On the US side, the likes of Kiss, Creed, Dave Matthews Band, John Mayer and Counting Crows were either never really that big in the UK or had relatively fleeting mass success, While The Eagles are/were fairly big here, and I am sure there are plenty of Brits who can't stand them, they are still fairly easy to avoid.
I do think Queen might be the mirror image of The Eagles in this. Yes, they did very well in the States, but, like The Eagles, it is in their home country where they have the biggest-selling album ever with a Greatest Hits collection. Despite this, a substantial number of Brits find them somewhat overblown and melodramatic.
Of course, the ultimate example, of a band that mean almost nothing in the US but were massively successful in the UK but get a lot of ridicule are Status Quo.
Love KISS since growing up in the 70’s but I definitely understand people hating them. Love Styx! My first concert. The Grand Illusion album classic. Pieces of eight classic.
The more I listen to Kansas (I'm talking about the 70's version of them) the more I like them....and the same goes for Styx. Great American progressive rock, especially the former band....
One of the greatest rock bands.
I'm a generation older than you guys are, but I absolutely hated Journey. They were so popular, and it wasn't a opinion my friends shared. I always loved U2, but I remember them all the way back to the first album. I haven't been as keen on them in the last 20 years or so, but like most bands, they have a definite "sell by" date.
But we older folk got to play the Journey arcade game!
I definitely remember a time when U2 were seen as a cool alternative to the likes of Journey! Now they’re lumped in the same camp.
@StantontheZag Nah, that’s taking it too far. U2 can’t be put in the same bucket as Journey, no matter what people think of U2’s later stuff..
@@AndTheRoadGoesEverOnIt seems like when it comes to music with political/social themes, there’s a fine line between being powerful and being preachy
With avant-garde music, there's a line between ambitious experiments and reminders of why "The Emperor's New Clothes" is one of the greatest children stories ever written.
Collective Soul. Not sure people hate them but they certainly do not get much credit or comparison to bands of that era. I really like them and was lucky enough to see them perform live in a relatively small venue in Newfoundland.
Also *BillyCorgan* gets ragged on, but the guy has saved so many sinking 90s artists with his dashboard (studiomixer) abilities.
Early SP is good but I can understand how people don’t like them because of his voice. Hell, his voice on XYU is too much for me.
Oh, and he’s a douchebag who was on Alex Jones and hasn’t even voted since 1992.
@@whenfatkillsfat803 *Adore* is the only SP I like/and own, because they left grunge for cyber-goth. *Machina* ®2000 single *StandInsideYourLove* is almost grunge again ,but it's a refined produced grunge.
Surprised that Billy Joel or the Eagles weren't mentioned.
We'll have to stand on a corner in Winslow, Arizona or walk through Bedford Stuy alone to get them mentioned. Maybe even ride our motorcycle in the rain.
@@SomeSong2 You May Be Right!
I don't hate Counting Crowes but I heard "Mr Jones" for the first time a few years back and I fell in love with the song so I decided to check out August and Everything After. I was very disappointed that "Mr Jones" was the only song of it's kind on the album. Everything else is very downbeat and mellow. It really bummed me out because I thought there would be more upbeat alt-flavoured jangle-pop songs like "Mr Jones". Felt like a bait and switch.
I like the Chili Peppers but they are a band that I need to be in a very specific mood to listen to. Also a lot of their 80s funk rap metal stuff is terrible. Same with U2 and Pearl Jam for me. But I'm weird because I like Creed and Nickelback and a lot of the post-grunge stuff.
After Chester's death I think they've been re-evaluated and are seen generally as a good band but Linkin Park I remember in the late-2000s/early-2010s were made fun of constantly by people my age.
The John Mayer discourse is understandable. The guy was a tool. For sure. However, the thing I admire about him is that he owned up to it. He called himself out on it, proclaiming to be a "Recovering Ego-Maniac." The man was handed the world before the age of 30. I get it. And he didn't win back people overnight. It took years. He's finally in a pocket now where even most of his haters can acknowledge that he's made moves to better himself and his actions as a human being. He recently proclaimed himself in an interview as "America's Ex-Boyfriend", which is pretty accurate. I've always respected him as an artist. His third record " Continuum" is an undeniable masterful album, and his work with the John Mayer Trio is astounding.
I knew he was a pop star but had never heard anything until he's on stage with Clapton, BB King etc and was surprised he held his own. Then he steps into the extremely large shoes of Jerry Garcia's position in Dead & Company which is (Grateful Dead) my thing. He was mostly unfamiliar with their vast catalog and in their half-century tradition of we'll learn and gel (improv) on stage as we go. He's not psychedelic but he's good. Interesting guy and a great interview too!
Kiss
U2
Coldplay
Beatles Dylan
Springsteen /eagles
Not all of these are personal choices
Forgot red hot chill peppers and Duran Duran and finally guns and Roses
One of the first examples that comes to mind is Weezer. I love them, especially the pre-2005 stuff, but I'll be damned if I'm going to say I like Weezer in public.
Lol. I love Weezer and like their later stuff too :-)
I don't get the Weezer hate. Are they the greatest band? NO, but they surely have released some decent material, even up to their much-maligned releases from last year. There is a LOT worse out there.
if you haven't seen it yet, check out the SNL skit where Matt Damon argues with Leslie Jones at a holiday dinner about which era of Weezer is the best. Really funny!
Maroon 5 has gotten a lot of hate over the years, and I agree that most of that hate is very deserved. But I’ll always defend their first three albums, cause it’s actually pretty good pop rock with some funk. Somehow, a switch got flipped after Adam Levine started on “The Voice”, and his “band” has sucked ass ever since!
Popular hated artists/bands (not that I hate these artists, these are what I see out there)
Sabbath "Dio" era
Nickleback
Pet Shop Boys
Simply Red
The Cure
Chicago
Vanilla Ice/MC Hammer
Milli Vanilli
Paul Mccartney (I guess it's the Lennon lovers)
Genesis (Phil Collins era)(although that's my favourite era)
a singer I loved when I was young that was seen as wimpy or "old people music" was Barry Manilow. Still love Barry! Ditto the Carpenters, but I feel they've gone thru a re=appraisal as modern young people have discovered what an amazing voice Karen had. Another artist who is now seen as very white bread and mediocre is Phil Collins, but I think he has some amazing solo albums. And lastly, I would say Sting. People love to make fun of his outsize personality and his pompous behavior at times and say his solo work is "jazz-lite" etc, but I am a devoted fan and think he has some stellar solo albums.
I think I like Third Eye Blind for the same reason Kram likes the goo goo dolls. It’s just very fun late 90s jangle pop with catchy vocals with some taboo lyrics, what’s to hate?
I dont think anyone hates Third Eye Blind anymore. Even Pitchfork had to give their debut album a good review for its 25th anniversary. They obviously wouldnt have gave it good review if they reviewed it in 1997.
Joe makes a great point about Ryan Adams. Even before all the recent revelations about him , i've always found something a bit weird, off putting about his work. I definitely have always found him overrated for sure. a "protected species" with critics. So i don't feel anything about his recent fall from grace. His music just did not have the impact on me it did with others. Have always preferred Bryan Adams myself. Good old sing along good time rock tunes. Now that's an artist
How about Tom Waits?
@@RealJeffTidwell Umm..what about Tom Waits? I like him and his music. What did I miss?
Bryan Adams' album Reckless kicks ass, start to finish.
Bryan Adams “Restless” is a good old fashioned 80s big rock album. Not sure what he was thinking after that but that one rocks.
@@deathfromabove77 Nothing, just curiosity.
Macklemore. Started out as a well respected underground MC with a lot of passionate fans. Once Thrift Shop was everywhere, almost overnight he became the punching bag of the music industry.
It was because That album beat Kendrick Lamar for best rap album at the Grammys
I really don't know why I don't like U2 but Bono as a person has always been so strange. He loves a lot of writers I started reading when I was a kid like Bukowski and Burroughs (he was even on Bukowski's documentary and invited Burroughs to appear in a video they did) but every time I listen anything by them after the 80's I really can't stand it. Also, hating Kiss is just missing on somme good fun tbh.
From the early 1990s I'd say Michael Bolton got some hate. I remember people not digging Alanis Morissette in 1995. Of course the Boy bands from the late 90s. Britney Spears for a short time in the 00s got stick
I read somewhere that when the Counting Crowes were at their peak, their lead singer would half-ass the hits when performing live and go from singing to more of a spoken word. I don’t think he understood that people pay good money to hear Mr. Jones sung, not read like a poem.
Coldplay is a blatant U2 ripoff. I enjoy U2 and saw them with Beck a few years ago, and Bono tries to portray himself as a patriotic American when he’s from Ireland. I think it’s funny and refer to him as being “Bono-y” but I think it turns a lot of people off.
My two cents. Oh, and Kiss live is an insane show!
Those who advocate Counting Crows deserve to listen to them.
I’m surprised The Eagles weren’t mentioned. I think The Big Lebowski made it “cool” to hate them.
I'm 57, and gotta admit Take It To the Limit sucked.😂
Three Dog Night & Grand Funk. Record shoppers in the Midwest hate them with a passion. People bought them for the two hit cover songs on each album back in the day and get mad at the record clerks when they wanna trade up to some ridiculous level of high quality album for them.
Grand Funk. I don't hate them. But the critics loathe them; here's a quote from my Encyclopaedia of Rock on my shelf: mediocre, head banging outfit for whom right place, right time was their formula to success.
A lot of older guys will come in to the store and do the Martin Popoff thing where they talk ours ear off about how much they hated the success they got over some of the acts the buying public, at that time, ignored, like Budgie, Uriah Heep, Buffalo etc.
early grand funk is fantastic ! what a band
Sometimes it's not specifically the music but, like, a personality thing or maybe a cultural moment thing. Like John Mayer; it's not that he can't play or sing or write... it's something about him that some people just can't take. Or Axl Rose. With a band like the Dave Matthews Band or, say, Nickelback or Creed, they have a moment when people kinda like the first few singles, but they become like acid-wash jeans; all of a sudden, everybody seems to have had enough of them, all at once. Nothing about the music changed, just the way people saw it. U2 is having that moment; a generation has decided that they're bloated and dated.
I knew a guy that looked and acted like John Mayer back in the aughts.
Would sleep with your girlfriend without a second thought. Done deal.
I seen some people who hate bands like nirvana, oasis, and weezer.
Oh yes, i am one of them.
Nickelback-I understand the hatred. Kroeger's voice is aggravating. They have THE absolute worst song of 2001. BTW, I like 2 songs by Chad but Nickelback sucks!!
Backstreet Boys-I don't like the hate they've received. They were all good singers in their prime.
Nysnc-Justin Timberlake. Enough said.
Creed-I understood. They were a heavy metal band with sappy #1 ballads.
Bee Gees-i wasn't alive during their prime but I can understand. There was no escaping them from 76-80. BTW, I love the Bee Gees.
Not a big Backstreet fan, but I DO have a soft spot for about 4 of their hits.......................other than that, I can take or leave them.
Far as NSYNC, never been a fan but I DO like some of Justin's solo stuff (especially Rock Your Body). He really matured as an artist when he went solo, far as I'm concerned.
In middle school, I loved Styx Pieces of Eight. Having said that, their song Lords of the Rings is laughable, it is so bad. You all listed many of the main offenders, but Pearl Jam, Cold Play and Dave Matthews are the best of the worst.
Red Hot Chillipeppers.- adored by their fans, sell bucketloads of records, and they're clearly good musicians who are more than passionate about what they do. Hell, Flea has even admitted to loving the Gang of Four which makes him cool in my book..But..there's i think a fair number of people out there who hate them. Critics in particular i think have turned on them ( or maybe the critics have always been split on them , i'm thinking)..i've never liked them .Found their half assed rock -funk ( especially the "funk " part) , really lame and just bland as hell. Anthony Kiedis is also another reason i can't stand them . I'll leave it at that.
You should hear their new song, Poster Child; it's so awful, the lyrics so childish and pandering, that I can't stop telling friends to listen to it. And I agree about Flea; I even like some of the acting he's done. One of their former members, Cliff Martinez, has done some good soundtracks and played with artists far superior to RHCP. I also give them some credit for being fans of George Clinton. I'd love to see a video on him, but they would have to break it up between his various bands. I'd prefer one on Funkadelic, mostly, but it would be a hard call.
I liked them 1985-99. But I NEVER reach for them now.
Read the lyrics; it sounds like a parody.
RHCP are a weak ass Gang of Four rip off
I hate that mustache
I can't forgive y'all for dissing The Bare Naked Ladies last week!
Rush, of course.
I'm with you, Jason, on KISS. I'll defend them all day long. Even like the 1978 solo albums!
I was a little kid in the late 70s and the Kiss backlash was palpable. People either didn’t know or forgot how innovative of an act they were in ‘74-‘75.
I like Don Henley's Boys of Summer and Kid Rock's All Summer Long.
I do not care for anything else those two have ever excreted.
Yeah Don's Boys of Summer was good and I like "The Heart of the Matter". Kid Rock's song might be his best.
Former is good. Kid Suck murdering Warren Zevon on the other hand…
interesting topic, here goes
journey [ people do not realize how talented they are and focus on some overplayed hits]
spin doctors[ people i knew hated them , and they did not last long ]
styx [ i want kramnz to tell me he has heard there 1st 7 or so albums]
red hot chili peppers [ people have been jumping off board for awhile]
bands i like to hate
goo goo dolls
counting crows
dave matthews and [ im ready come get me👿 PHISH]
neat topic tho🐯🐯🐯🐯
Agree with Journey! Can’t wait for that Listo
@@claytonkelley4921 get it done lol
Yeah man can’t believe Journey didn’t make it … when I was a young kid Journey was not cool. It wasn’t “real rock.” Now I appreciate it and enjoy some of it. Enormous skill in that band.
Forgot to say this, I really love Black Veil Brides! And there are a ton of people that love this band, but they also have a ton of haters. The guitarists are extremely talented musicians. Both of them made an awesome guitar duo! It all depends if you like Andy Biersack or not. Me, I like him! He's a really good vocalist. Has a nice voice, but the problems people have with him is that they have a Hot Topic fan base. And they have that emo sound that not a lot of people care about! I love them to death! However, they've been doing a lot of concept albums lately and they're fantastic and work really well, except for Vale. That album is ok. But the new album The Phantom Tomorrow is a fantastic rock opera. One of my favorite rock albums of 2021. Really awesome band and one of my favorite 2010s bands! And I love more than Bring Me The Horizon and Asking Alexandria. Bring Me the Horizon is good, but overrated in my opinion. And Asking Alexandria hasn't been the same since Danny Wornsop came back in the band. They're the Fall Out Boy of metalcore. And they're not doing metalcore anymore, which disappoints me.
Def Leppard - Many Hard Rock/Metal people seem personally offended by Hysteria (and then Adrenalize made it worse, maybe much worse). I get it but I don't buy into it.
Spin Doctors - Really confused by this one, didn't think enough people would even remember them to hate them and their 2 hits I remember were quite fun.
Ted Nugent - Decent music (early on his career) but people can't get past his politics.
Aerosmith - Similarities to Def Leppard here but I think the hate is even more warranted.That Armageddon song is horrible.
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - I sit on the fence for these guys but I understand, I like some of their stuff but some of it is also boring/lame.
Not sure why the hate for Counting Crows and Dave Matthews Band. They are what they are and are relatively inoffensive and both decent musicians/songwriters. Not really a fan of Counting Crows but not sure why they'd be hated.
Metallica and Radiohead get hate because they changed their style for better or worse.
Kram is right about avant-garde music, if people don't like it move on, it's supposed to be weird and pushing boundaries and it sometimes influences a lot of stuff which comes later.
I love Def Leppard. Yes, they are too soft and poppy for the real metalheads, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing (although Adrenalize was far from their best album).
Spin Doctors I like and didn’t realize they were that commonly hated.
Ted Nugent is decent but not great musically. As for his politics, I’m not as far right as he is, but I strongly agree that the music industry (save for country) has a left bias, and I would love to see more outspoken republicans just for the sake of balance.
Metallica already got shit for changing their sound, but the Napster controversy and Lars generally having a confrontational nature about him is what really made them punching bags.
I liked Radiohead in the 90s, but much of their output from Kid A onward was overrated.
@@someguy7424 I agree with most of what you said there. I'm also a much bigger fan of Radiohead's 90 stuff, they lost me a bit at Kid A and I am open to some avant-garde, eg Slint & Sonic Youth,. I just find their later stuff a bit boring but I'm not a fan of ambient music.
May I suggest: BON JOVI....KID ROCK....BRYAN ADAMS......BILLY JOEL....
“I like Balck balloon.”
“It needs to fly, Black balloon.”
I love U2. But the theme of this side 3 (hated bands) was pretty clear I think. :)
I think people always hated Coldplay for some reason. Maybe it started with X&Y and Fix You if I was to guess maybe.
Ghost really is a band that gets a lot of hate from the heavy music crowd. likely due to their 1st album being pretty straight forward throwback doom. Since then they went all in on the gimmicks and a catchy sound. I love it but has made them quite decisive in the metal world.
I loved Joe's review of their new albums in which he said something to the effect how much he loves their unholy alliance between Abba and metal!
Not a word about Nickleback? Can I add Meatloaf and Axel Rose was really hated back in the day
We hate Nickelback too much to even mention them. - Joe
Maroon 5 especially Adam Levine people to love to hate, I actually like Maroon 5, is it the best music that has ever been produced in the world by this band, no but I don't expect considering the genre they have gone for, Nickelback is another one that people seem to hate but I actually love, yes they are most famous for that video Rockstar which by the way I love that video and yes maybe their later stuff has become a bit more poppy and mainstream but that's the way most bands are going to be when they release music because that's the world we live in, for specific artist/singer I would go with Drake who people love to hate and I don't mind Drake, I like a couple of songs but I am not a massive fan of his.
Everybody hated the Bee Gees for 30 years. Then people remembered they were actually pretty good.
I usually do not "hate" bands or artists - I just do not listen to stuff that I do not like. There are some critical cases however when there is music that you (for whatever reason) cannot avoid unless you spent your days in a cave like a hermit. Bee Gees (or disco at large) was something you just could not avoid if you grew up in the 70s and wanted to have any social life at all. And I was a child in the 60s, so no way to avoid Beatles. Do I hate them? We learn to live with bad weather and few die of headache, so what...
(And no, Bee Gees are still as terrible as they ever were, regardless which period of their career you pick - no nostalgia at all.)
the Bee Gees are a great call. I've always loved (most of ) their music. I understand the hate ( especially back in the 80s and after they went disco in particular). I love the disco stuff personally.
@@deathfromabove77 Your alias does not tell your gender or age...but - I had just survived the ABBA years and now (at 18) had to face Saturday Night Fever...
@@roxannewalsh Hi Roxanne, understand your pain, and you're clearly not alone. The Brothers Gibb have always been a guilty pleasure for me, and i particularly love the disco records. I was probably 8-9 years old when Saturday Night Fever took over the universe so still have a decent sense of it's impact ( negative or positive , depending on your outlook) . Thought they were just great pop records , well made imo. But i definitely get the ...well not hate, but indifference shall we say to their work..
But I thought they made songs everyone liked. You lied to me, Wayne Campbell! 😆
Most artists/music that become omnipresent I hate
I think The Dead have inspired the most real hatred i have ever seen. Dylan. Pick-a-Beatle. Who really sucks - Styx and Kansas. Steve Perry's abysmal Journey. Red hotChili peppers and Bay City Rollers. EVERYBODY HATES TRISCUITS.
I don't hate them. But I agree on KISS; when I was at school the education system hated them. It said No Kiss, no KISS music or their paint or their stickers. There was also the Satanic Panic era of the 80's and the idea that KISS stood for Knights in Satan's Service.
Dunno if he really gets much hate, but I can't STAND Jackson Browne---and I can't figure out why. Great songwriter, decent enough singer, but never been able to get into him--but I DO like it when his songs are covered by other artists.......................The Eagles' cover of Take It Easy immediately comes to mind. Listening to him just does absolutely nothing for me.
Ryan Adams blocked me on Twitter years ago for tweeting out a positive review of a biography on him he didn't like.
The more I find out about Ryan Adams I just recoil in horror. Like how he would inject people with drugs who were recovering. It makes me puke to even think of him nowadays.
On that same note Alexis Marshall from Daughters has fallen from grace in recent months. His fans hate him now except for the chuds that like his edgy lyrics.
@@SomeSong2 In retrospect, I'm glad I missed the whole Ryan Adams train. I listened to some of his stuff for this channel's Album of the Year series and found it unremarkable. Why some people think he's a musical genius is baffling to me.
How can you not mention the Eagles??? The most successful band in American history is the absolute FIRST band I ever heard mentioned as HATED. Lebowski HATES them!! I'd also have to say Grateful Dead. Despite being one of the most successful American bands EVER, and the 2nd highest grossing live act in the '90's only to the Rolling Stones, people just seem to HATE them. Appreciate the owning up to U2. That takes courage. They're the 3rd band that come to mind.
Nickleback, Celine Dion, later Genesis, Celine Dion, Scorpions, Celine Dion, Celine Dion, Celine Dion, Celine Dion.
When you’re young you can’t help but be under the cosh of cool..you get older and realise nobody’s looking over your shoulder any more and you can be more honest about what you like…older still and you don’t give a toss what other people think. Truth is there’s only two types of music.. the stuff you like and the stuff you don’t. Anybody that judges you are kidding themselves that taste is a real thing…it’s just cool with a different jacket on….that being said there is no excuse for St Winifred’s School Choir.
Coldplay
KISS
Bob Dylan
The Beatles
U2
Kid Rock
Nirvana
John Mayer
Radiohead
Grateful Dead
Rolling Stones
Creed
I have a wholly irrational hatred of Queen, pretty much everything post Day at the Races, but especially the 80s stuff. Realise this puts me in a small minority!
People complain about Pearl Jam because they didn't stay in their lane. It's just like people who were mad when Dylan went electric. They're not really music fans; they are genre fans. There's a new genre and a fad around it and if a band matures and evolves artistically, some people just feel betrayed. Which is kind of sad.
Pearl Jam did very little interesting music after Vitalogy, plus Eddie Vedder got a bit full of himself
Bon Jovi foreigner, reo Speedwagon, Blondie
Oh, and btw. I love Styx, cheesiness and all.
I don’t know that I can watch these videos anymore, now that I know that Creed is one of Jason’s favorite bands.
Haha he’s not don’t listen. - Joe
I can't stand Guns N Roses but I know a lot of people love them.
Im with you Hate them
I cannot stand Axl Rose’s vocals.
Kinda surprised that Joe doesn’t like Ryan Adams. I thought he’d be right up his alley.
He’s better than I let on. - Joe
Bands and artists that I don’t like the music;Limp Biskit, Staind, Linkin Park, Kid Rock, Dream Theater, Foreigner, Chicago, Train.
Bands and artists that I don’t like them personally but they have good music; Ted Nugent, Van Morrison, Morrissey, Happy Mondays, Marylin Manson, David Lee Roth, Malmesteen.
I *HATE* 80's Chicago but I think their late 60's early 70's stuff is great. Terry Kath was an amazing guitarist,and Jimi Hendrix was an early fan of the band.
I don’t hate anything Chicago has done. However, I’m not huge on anything after 17
@@TRANZEURO true, but that’s only 2-3 good albums, and after that they became a radio hits band.
@@joaopintojr6780 While I agree that their first three albums are their best I still like most of the stuff they did while Terry Kath was a member,which ended with Chicago XI in 1977. After that is when I lose interest.
If you're a guy who likes Journey, there's something amiss. And who can stand to look at Steve Perry? But David Chase used them perfectly...
Steve Perry is god. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Say it ain't so, Joe... I will admit that he has power...but his vowels are wack.... For me, this is going back to high school, when they were omnipresent in the 'senior lounge'..and I couldn't understand why, say, the Clash or Sparks weren't on the radio....
And then there's 'Caddyshack' in their favor...
Some of the early pre Steve Perry Journey was interesting when they were more proggy.
There were many innovative and awesome bands overshadowed by the Bigg 4....
As a person with Irish heritage, It definitely irritated me that U2 received such great praise and sales and were played so much more compared to Thin Lizzy, which I think is a far superior group and included a lot more Irish musical and historical elements in their music with more emotional resonance and better riffs, more sophisticated harmonies in the guitars and far better lyrics.
where is phil collins on this list?? personally i love his solo stuff, as well as genesis........ but he seemed to be hated by a lot of people in the 80s and 90s (especially after tarzan soundtrack)
True, Gen X hated Phil - "Boomer Pop". Then we got old. And suddenly, that _Against All Odds_ song was on our playlist, right next to "In The Air Tonight" - which, admittedly, was always there.
Eh, always liked his Genesis stuff more.....................his solo stuff is too hit or miss for me.
AWOLNATION … I still love Sail all these years later and The Best is uplifting AF .. catch me in my car when these songs are on
Love U2 and will die on that hill. Thanks for doing U2 week, TLM.
Pearl Jam have a number of great songs. Counting Crows' first two albums were enjoyable--admittedly they don't have the greatest shelf life, but not hate-worthy.
Surprised not to see Axel Rose of GnR here. He gets a lot of hate. Also surprised not to see named alongside Creed the Holy Hated Triumvirate from that era: Creed, Nickelback and Matchbox 20. Agree with Joe on calling out the two Adams. Couldn't ever get into Queen beyond a song or two. Bohemian Rhapsody has always been like nails down a chalkboard to me ever since I heard it as a child. ...But even then, "hate" is such a strong word. I wouldn't use it for any of them. Don't get why people hate on any recording artists in general.
I get people not liking a band or singer. I get an aversion to a certain kind of sound or a particular voice or attitude. But to publicly, actively go out of one's way to hate on something that's subjective and/or a person(s) one has never even met but that may bring some joy into another's sh*tty life...Nah. It sounds silly just typing it.
Thanks, Kramzer, for sort of calling that out at the end.
I f-ing hate Jefferson Airplane, Starship, Hovercraft, Wheelchair.......ugh.
I love Styx because I am from Chicago. Yoko Ono is avant-garde and I agree with you. She did not break up the Beatles! Paul did. Yoko is a very creative person in her own right. Saw her art!
I do love to hate the Carpenters... BORING. Yes, Karen had a great voice, still hated them. For the same reason, I love to hate Hall & Oates. Some good songs, but not enough to like them. Justin Bieber, I agree. Ed Sheeran is another I hate... BORING. The Eurythmics I loved and hated, depending on the song.
The Carpenters and Hall & Oates are in my top 25 of all time. Dig deeper into H&O. Their only good work was pre-1980 but it is enough to make them Top 25 for me. Abandoned Luncheonette is a classic and one of the best albums of all time IMHO. I hate Styx. Just had to get that in there. All due respect though!