Nice of The Doctor to leave a space station with no thrusters, loaded with babies, to go careering into an uncalculated orbit of a planet where it will probably just burn-up and crash through its atmosphere or if they do survive, be faced with a bunch of strangers who don't want them, especially when he could have just put them on the TARDIS (he has the ramps...)
Yeah but don't forget this is the same New Who Doctor who thought it was more humane to lock giant spiders in an airtight room and let them suffocate rather than just shoot them. 😳
Hey but remember the magic space goblins? He never actually spoke to them in any scene. He just murdered all of them with some magic gloves. No negotiation. Murder.
Classic Doctor Who never patronised kids, it always elevated the audience.This patronises its audience and has lowered the bar to the lowest common denominator.
Least it doesn't have a disturbed big strong man abusing and trying to strangle his female friend ehile he gets astride her, a totally misjudged horrible scene that was bad and wrong and has only dated even worse....and I don't even dislike that story as many do !
I figure after singing goblin sky pirates or whatever just a couple hours ago (from her perspective) talking space babies would be a bit less unusual maybe?
The problem with introducing the butterfly effect into Doctor Who is that it undermines the whole concept of time travel in Doctor Who where traditionally small changes tend to self correct rather than exponentially growing. If we take literally the idea that "a butterfly's wings flapping can later change the weather ie create a hurricane" then if the Doctor travels back to sometime before say 1588 then his just walking around could potentially mean that the storm which later destroyed the Spanish Armada (the Protestant Wind) never happens.
@@friendlyotaku9525 Except if that is the case then disturbing a snowflake if he takes Ruby back to the church where she was left won't upset anything so long as that switch is turned on ie the Doctor lied to her or at the very least massively exaggerated the danger.
@@davidwebb4451 That is a bit different since that is personal history and we've seen what can happen if someone interferes with their own family history like with Rose and her dad.
@@friendlyotaku9525 so wheres the food lever? the oxygen lever? We've seen him eat food. Food that, if him and companion didnr eat, someone else would of eaten. Did... did the doctor eating food cause the african starvation? #CancelTheDoctor
To me, it felt like a re-tread of RTD's first era (done badly). Most importantly for any show, it's crucial to understand your target audience. Who was this aimed for? Classic Who knew that it was entertainment for a whole family, and cleverly pitched things so that some things the parents would appreciate but wouldn't register with the kids (the attempted rape and actual rape in Hartnell's first two seasons display this perfectly). RTD's knack of a season long arc - Bad Wolf / Torchwood / Mr Saxon - aren't bad ideas; but there was so much info dumping here that it's as though he struggled to write for a shorter season. Only having 8 episodes instead of 13 to tell a story, means those ideas have to concise but there is too much being set up that the story suffers. In retrospect as the old saying goes: "Roses are red, Rubies are too The script for Space Babies was a pile of poo"
@@TheMoonRover So what you're saying is, that people watched the devil's chord first, on Disney + or Iplayer, then watched Space Babies at 7pm on BBC1? Over 200 thousand people that watched space babies live on BBC1 had enough and switched off before the Devils Chord. No matter how they inflate the ratings, nothing is going to change that fact.
@@Thoucraggyknob No, we're talking about the difference in BBC1 live viewing figures between _The Church on Ruby Road_ and _Space Babies._ The former released on iPlayer at the same time it was broadcast on BBC1. The latter released on iPlayer 18 hours before broadcast. That will have affected how people watched it. As for the drop between episodes, that is completely normal for any show.
@@TheMoonRover This is propaganda rubbish mate and it make NO sense. If 2m people watched this early on iplayer (and what normal person would have done that) they would have made a BIG DEAL of telling us.
Spending Disney's money.. I enjoyed the episodes. Off to a shaky start but asking my 20 somethings what they thought after dropping out during the Capaldi era, they loved it.
Why didn't someone remind RTD that there are plenty of Timelords with ordinary names (Romana, Borusa, Goth, Spandrell etc etc etc). He could have just explained that the Doctor is called 'Doctor' as a kind of 'Nom de Voyage.'
Oh man I'm so glad someone else has said this. I didn't say anything in the reaction as I thought perhaps I was in the wrong and would look stupid (or more stupid than normal) but that has leapt out at me on both watches.
I was thoroughly entertained. It had some nice scary bits. It was warm and funny which I really welcome with all the horrible events going on around the world. Love Ncuti and Millie. They shine for me. The Devil’s Chord was a better episode though.
With regards to Ruby's reactions to things, I just think she takes everything in her stride. As a northern lass, she just takes things as she finds them. That was my interpretation, at least.
I agree largely with Paul and he hit upon something very interesting. The idea that maybe TV has moved on so much since RTD’s first outing, could he be out of touch. Personally, I watch something like Fall out or The last of Us shows also on a streaming service that are lauded everywhere. I can’t help feeling, why can’t Doctor Who be that !!? In many ways Space babies is kind of old fashioned. Baby geniuses came out in the 90’s and Look who’s talking was released in 1989. It may not be entirely RTD’s fault to be fair because Disney would no doubt have their notes but I hate we’re back to last of the Timelords ugh! Just don’t mention them!!! Also the Doctor is back to being 1000 years old. I found it jarring but I have been watching since 1974. I just feel if I was describing Doctor Who’s 62 year history to a non-fan and encouraged them to watch that episode. They’d probably look at me funny. I also agree with the Moffat premise of setting up a crash, boom! My theory has always been that RTD writes the show like he’s Rose or Martha or Donna. He’s in love with the Doctor whereas Moffat wants to be the Doctor. That’s why RTD doesn’t like multi-Doctor stories because The Doctor is his boyfriend and he doesn’t want to dilute the character. I think space babies would’ve been daft in 2005 but we would’ve rolled our eyes but in 2024 with Disney money!!!!??? It’s a bit disappointing
Interesting points about the writers, I see one as a more 'emotional' writer, influenced by drama and soap, the other as a more 'thinking ' writer more versed in Sci Fi. But the shows you mention are for adults and adults only, so Doctor Who can't be like them much , in tone or heavy feeling....tho I do like it more when it's a bit more serious than this I'll grant you.
@@AndyRossism The comparison is more about tone and how to tell a story. Forget the gore and remember that Fall out and the Last of Us are video games. They’ve managed to pull in audiences who would have no idea about their digital existence. RTD has a rich history and lore with Doctor Who which he seems to want to step away from at times. I never hear the download of exposition in FO or TLOU, it doesn’t apologise for having a history that some of the audience doesn’t know. My theory about the writers is just my interpretation and just say Chibnall gets a hard time but in my opinion he would’ve probably been the best writer to have started off the Disney Who! To me flux was an attempt to make Doctor Who big! I think he gets idea of what the Whoniverse could be. As I said he gets a lot of stick because of Jodi but I implore anyone to watch era again without the noise of social media pouring opinion down your ear. It’s not as bad as you remember. To me Chibnall like Moffat grew up wanting to be the Doctor. I’d say that Moffat wanted to be Jon Pertwee and. Chris Chibnall would make himself the Doctor. Whereas Russell is basically rose. For me, in my imagination I think. Think how Genesis of the Daleks would’ve been with that Disney money. But instead we got farting space ships
Meant to say I agree about the amount of info dumping about the history of the show, I assumed this era would start off like Rose, all stripped back of all that , I was up for it and thought it would be best for brand new viewers, but maybe he thinks even them sort of know a lot now compared to his first new era?! I don't know, I would have preferred it being more like he did with Rose/Smith and Jones in terms of holding stuff back, that really Ruby doesn't need to know yet . Also, I wonder if some stuff will make sense later, like all the little fourth wall breaks we keep getting , honestly there's been several now I feel, to the point where I wonder if its a long game by RTD , to do with the last Doctor messing up the line between reality and fiction/fact and fantasy , when he let The Toymaker 'in' .
SPACE BABIES I can't stop using that phrase after a few watches of this , it needs a ! after it . And I really think some people are forgetting how silly and random Doctor Who can get even in the Classic Era. ...........................SPACE BABIES ! TO THE RESCUE I guess I've just decided to try and relax a bit , I've noticed I tend to like new Who more when it's a few series old, and I can see a whole season and it's journey with some distance, and free of the pressure of being the brand new 'Right Now ' most recent stuff. So I'm trying to bare that in mind and not set my opinion too harsh too quickly. The first RTD era went from Farting Monsters and Burpijg Bins to much stronger stuff fairly quickly when you look back. I'm trying to have faith this time round.
I don’t understand why they branded this as ‘Season One’, but didn’t make a cleaner break. It immediately makes references to stuff that a brand new viewer may not have seen. The Doctor’s info dump at best is a pretty clunky recap, but if you’re a first time viewer it must have seemed a bizarre and incompetent introduction to a character. Would RTD write like that on any other show?
I thought it was a fun albeit silly episode with an interesting concept. It is a bit too childish though, like the Slitheen. Agreed on the clunky exposition and retreading old ideas. Ncuti and Millie are great. Not the strongest start, but not the worst either.
Classic Who would never have toilet humour and sex jokes like the modern era. What possessed RTD to think that a ship powered by human crap with a snot monster on the loose was a good way to open the new season? You’re right RTD is repeating himself with similar plot lines but he’s also ripping off Beast Below. I still don’t like Gatwa playing the Doctor because he’s playing himself. There’s no gravitas. I like the Doctor to have a stern aloof side and having Gatwa say things like “Babes and sweetheart doesn’t feel like the Doctor to me. It’s like two companions have taken over the Tardis. I’d give this 0/10. Abysmal. Great reactions.
I was apprehensive about this episode before watching it, but I thought it turned out to be quite enjoyable - I actually preferred it to The Devil's Chord. RTD clearly intended this to be a jumping on point for new viewers, so the Doctor is given quite a lot of exposition to get the newbies up to speed, but while a little clunky I didn't feel it got in the way of the story. I enjoyed the monster and the traditional running through corridors, and I thought the talking babies worked quite well, and were not too cute - it was amusing to hear the Doctor use the same nicknames for baby Poppy as I use for my dog, who is also called Poppy! There were some nice, tense moments, and I think Ncuti managed to catch the Doctor’s essential essence as a respecter of all forms of life. I was also glad that, while RTD did include a couple of political messages, it didn’t feel preachy or overpower the drama, though I agree it felt quite jarring in a cutesy episode. I also noticed the callbacks to The End of the World, but in fairness that was nearly 20 years ago now, scary as that feels... One thing I could have done without was the Doctor saying “space babies” every five minutes, and while it is nice to see he has already formed a strong bond with Ruby, I hope the hyperactivity they both show on occasion gets toned down, as it risks becoming annoying and like the uber-smug Ten-Rose relationship. Ruby also feels a bit two dimensional at present, so I hope we get more depth to her as the season progresses. The mystery over her origins is nicely stoked, though as far as I could see from the TARDIS scans at the end she appears to be fully human - maybe something is deceiving the TARDIS, though? All in all, a solid if unspectacular start to the season - just a shame the next episode proved (for me) to be such a crashing disappointment…
I'm with Paul. This is one of the worst Doctor Who stories of all time. Very, very silly, super light and fluffy. It's shocking to me that *some* people seem to think this is *so* Doctor Who and all that. It's not. There's virtually no precedent for it in the entire classic series. It's RTD's version, with the camp turned up to 11.
@TwixverseTwo The worst I could manage is "The Creature from the Pit" which has the dreaded green blob with a giant, um, appendage. Which was at the time recognized as a disaster by the production team. It was a matter of not having the means of executing an effect, rather than a deliberate attempt at camp. And it's from a season that was considered the worst for many decades by fans. RTD made that the norm. He saw the show as a laugh, not a serious SF show. He saw low production values, which he considered camp, and decided that regardless of the budget, he was going to weave camp into the show, despite having the money to do otherwise. There might have been some silly moments in classic Who, but it was never played entirely for a joke like "Space Babies"!
@MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio You are aware RTD has wrote some of the darkest episodes in the shows history right? But Doctor Who doesn't just do one type of story, it has variety. Yet you seem to think RTD only does silly stories which is not true
@@friendlyotaku9525 What, "Midnight"? What else? And even that one is a bunch of BS about cities made out of diamond, space tours, and a nebulous alien that we never get an explanation for because actual SF would make his head hurt.
Honestly, I liked it, I'm glad I kept myself as spoiler free as possible , I loved the Slace Babies (!) , first I found found creepy , then funny and very Doctor Who. If Charlie Brooker of Black Mirror was family friendly, I think you would get something like this. Loveď the cute scene between The Doctor and Poppy ,loved him scaring them and laughing even more.. couldnt quite enough empathy for the Monster, bit too gross an idea for me as a thing to save, but I enjoyed seeing Ruby get gunged , (like Amy in the big mouth) I like it when the companions struggles a bit like that, so I do agree she's written as a bit too much 'taking stuff in her stride' I've rewatched the first 2 episodes a few times now and I'm enjoying them enough to look forward to more and when the arc themes become central . I respectfully think yous were being a bit grumpy and sniffy at some points , it can't all be Inferno episode 6 ya know!
First things first - Ncuti and Millie are superb and Ruby is a northern girl not a softy southerner 🤣Rather a big info dump but understandable and let’s get it out of the way.The Doctor can’t be the last of the Time Lords when the Master is trapped in a tooth. I thought he used artron energy to revive the butterfly; sorry I was laughing with it, didn’t feel it was disturbing at all. Tonally it’s like most RTDs early season episodes but I enjoyed this one. It was fresh it was space babies and snot monsters. Tell me any other show that could do that. You also seemed to have missed Susan Twist.
All that exposition😩. Having the classic era fresh in mind it was 6 years (6 YEARS!!!) or 50 stories (yes FIFTY!) before we found out the Doctor was a Time-Lord, another 5 years to hear the name “Gallifrey” and any real detail about regeneration and another 3 years after that before we see the Doctor actively engage with his people in any meaningful way. WTF is wrong with mystery? The clue is the name of the show people!🤦♂️it reeks of needy and desperation quite frankly.
Wow what a change this is after the final episode of Inferno, a bona fide classic. I haven’t watched the show since Tennant’s first season as I just couldn’t get into it. After hearing what was featured in this episode I’ve absolutely no desire to get back into it again either. Edit: and apparently Davies has recently admitted he has “gay self-inserted” himself into the series, hence the wokeness going into overdrive.
Well RTD got me to come back after I walked in 2017, but I'm never going back again. Even as bad as it was under Chibnall & Whittaker, I was never as embarrassed to be a Doctor Who fan as I was watching those two opening stories. Ncuti Gatwa is an appalling actor, and the writing is abysmal. RIP Doctor Who 1963-2017. Just let it die now, please.
I love classic who but let’s be real. It was never perfect. let’s watch well written stories like The Sensorites, The Web Planet, The Underwater Menace and The Space Pirates. The era When we got brilliant effects like bendy toy dinosaurs, spaceships on string, toy tanks and action man figures. And musical episodes like The Gunfighters. And I’ve not even started on the 80s.
@@stuartwho its worth more watching than todays woke shit its like watching tele tubbies and strictly come dancing now its not scary one bit its like a carry on series pathetic
Nice of The Doctor to leave a space station with no thrusters, loaded with babies, to go careering into an uncalculated orbit of a planet where it will probably just burn-up and crash through its atmosphere or if they do survive, be faced with a bunch of strangers who don't want them, especially when he could have just put them on the TARDIS (he has the ramps...)
Yeah but don't forget this is the same New Who Doctor who thought it was more humane to lock giant spiders in an airtight room and let them suffocate rather than just shoot them. 😳
Hey but remember the magic space goblins? He never actually spoke to them in any scene. He just murdered all of them with some magic gloves. No negotiation. Murder.
Classic Doctor Who never patronised kids, it always elevated the audience.This patronises its audience and has lowered the bar to the lowest common denominator.
Makes the Twin Dilemma look great
I will never say bad things about The Web Planet ever again.
Least it doesn't have a disturbed big strong man abusing and trying to strangle his female friend ehile he gets astride her, a totally misjudged horrible scene that was bad and wrong and has only dated even worse....and I don't even dislike that story as many do !
@@AndyRossism Peri probably got off on it anyway
I figure after singing goblin sky pirates or whatever just a couple hours ago (from her perspective) talking space babies would be a bit less unusual maybe?
Were there any space babies in the episode? If only the dialogue had mentioned them!
SPACE BABIES! 🤣
Actually laughed out loud at this! 😂
I gave up after about 25 minutes of this episode, I hope I can last along with you guys.
Braveheart Tegan!
The problem with introducing the butterfly effect into Doctor Who is that it undermines the whole concept of time travel in Doctor Who where traditionally small changes tend to self correct rather than exponentially growing. If we take literally the idea that "a butterfly's wings flapping can later change the weather ie create a hurricane" then if the Doctor travels back to sometime before say 1588 then his just walking around could potentially mean that the storm which later destroyed the Spanish Armada (the Protestant Wind) never happens.
This is addressed in the episode with the Doctor saying he forgot to turn on the "butterfly compensation switch"
@@friendlyotaku9525 Except if that is the case then disturbing a snowflake if he takes Ruby back to the church where she was left won't upset anything so long as that switch is turned on ie the Doctor lied to her or at the very least massively exaggerated the danger.
@@davidwebb4451 That is a bit different since that is personal history and we've seen what can happen if someone interferes with their own family history like with Rose and her dad.
@@friendlyotaku9525 so wheres the food lever? the oxygen lever? We've seen him eat food. Food that, if him and companion didnr eat, someone else would of eaten. Did... did the doctor eating food cause the african starvation? #CancelTheDoctor
@@AzguardMike The TARDIS has a food machine. And it has oxygen to support life. What are you on about?
To me, it felt like a re-tread of RTD's first era (done badly).
Most importantly for any show, it's crucial to understand your target audience. Who was this aimed for?
Classic Who knew that it was entertainment for a whole family, and cleverly pitched things so that some things the parents would appreciate but wouldn't register with the kids (the attempted rape and actual rape in Hartnell's first two seasons display this perfectly).
RTD's knack of a season long arc - Bad Wolf / Torchwood / Mr Saxon - aren't bad ideas; but there was so much info dumping here that it's as though he struggled to write for a shorter season. Only having 8 episodes instead of 13 to tell a story, means those ideas have to concise but there is too much being set up that the story suffers.
In retrospect as the old saying goes:
"Roses are red,
Rubies are too
The script for Space Babies
was a pile of poo"
🤣
2m people never returned after the Doctor fought space goblins with some magic gloves
Have to wait for the iPlayer figures. Releasing 18 hours early will have made at least some difference.
@@TheMoonRover So what you're saying is, that people watched the devil's chord first, on Disney + or Iplayer, then watched Space Babies at 7pm on BBC1?
Over 200 thousand people that watched space babies live on BBC1 had enough and switched off before the Devils Chord. No matter how they inflate the ratings, nothing is going to change that fact.
@@Thoucraggyknob No, we're talking about the difference in BBC1 live viewing figures between _The Church on Ruby Road_ and _Space Babies._ The former released on iPlayer at the same time it was broadcast on BBC1. The latter released on iPlayer 18 hours before broadcast. That will have affected how people watched it.
As for the drop between episodes, that is completely normal for any show.
@@TheMoonRover absolute shite mate they have had a week to add those
@@TheMoonRover This is propaganda rubbish mate and it make NO sense. If 2m people watched this early on iplayer (and what normal person would have done that) they would have made a BIG DEAL of telling us.
Nobody grows up wrong...REALLY!? (H*tler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Jeffrey Dahmer....Chris Chibnall).
Oh come on , it's a nice message to say to a kid worried about why they were abandoned
Yeah but there are better ways of saying it. For a man with RTD's skills as a writer it's just lazy.
THOMAS WHO IS THAT BEHIND YOU?!
Anyway - Back to Inferno. Actual Doctor Who.
Normal service will resume shortly!
Spending Disney's money.. I enjoyed the episodes. Off to a shaky start but asking my 20 somethings what they thought after dropping out during the Capaldi era, they loved it.
For those new I know stuff and Thomas eats leftover pizza...
...Why didn't the Director teach Ncuti how to pronounce 'Conquistador'?
Why didn't someone remind RTD that there are plenty of Timelords with ordinary names (Romana, Borusa, Goth, Spandrell etc etc etc). He could have just explained that the Doctor is called 'Doctor' as a kind of 'Nom de Voyage.'
Oh man I'm so glad someone else has said this. I didn't say anything in the reaction as I thought perhaps I was in the wrong and would look stupid (or more stupid than normal) but that has leapt out at me on both watches.
@@eddhardy1054 don’t you mean Romanadvoratrelundar. And whatever the other proper Gallifreyan names were?
@@stuartwho Of course, my bad. 😉😊
glad youuuu axed the qyastion
yes i typed it bad, in the way the new doctor talks. Broken English
I was thoroughly entertained. It had some nice scary bits. It was warm and funny which I really welcome with all the horrible events going on around the world.
Love Ncuti and Millie. They shine for me. The Devil’s Chord was a better episode though.
With regards to Ruby's reactions to things, I just think she takes everything in her stride. As a northern lass, she just takes things as she finds them. That was my interpretation, at least.
or the wrting is at the level of childrens fiction
I agree largely with Paul and he hit upon something very interesting. The idea that maybe TV has moved on so much since RTD’s first outing, could he be out of touch. Personally, I watch something like Fall out or The last of Us shows also on a streaming service that are lauded everywhere. I can’t help feeling, why can’t Doctor Who be that !!? In many ways Space babies is kind of old fashioned. Baby geniuses came out in the 90’s and Look who’s talking was released in 1989. It may not be entirely RTD’s fault to be fair because Disney would no doubt have their notes but I hate we’re back to last of the Timelords ugh! Just don’t mention them!!! Also the Doctor is back to being 1000 years old. I found it jarring but I have been watching since 1974. I just feel if I was describing Doctor Who’s 62 year history to a non-fan and encouraged them to watch that episode. They’d probably look at me funny. I also agree with the Moffat premise of setting up a crash, boom! My theory has always been that RTD writes the show like he’s Rose or Martha or Donna. He’s in love with the Doctor whereas Moffat wants to be the Doctor. That’s why RTD doesn’t like multi-Doctor stories because The Doctor is his boyfriend and he doesn’t want to dilute the character. I think space babies would’ve been daft in 2005 but we would’ve rolled our eyes but in 2024 with Disney money!!!!??? It’s a bit disappointing
Interesting points about the writers, I see one as a more 'emotional' writer, influenced by drama and soap, the other as a more 'thinking ' writer more versed in Sci Fi.
But the shows you mention are for adults and adults only, so Doctor Who can't be like them much , in tone or heavy feeling....tho I do like it more when it's a bit more serious than this I'll grant you.
@@AndyRossism The comparison is more about tone and how to tell a story. Forget the gore and remember that Fall out and the Last of Us are video games. They’ve managed to pull in audiences who would have no idea about their digital existence. RTD has a rich history and lore with Doctor Who which he seems to want to step away from at times. I never hear the download of exposition in FO or TLOU, it doesn’t apologise for having a history that some of the audience doesn’t know. My theory about the writers is just my interpretation and just say Chibnall gets a hard time but in my opinion he would’ve probably been the best writer to have started off the Disney Who! To me flux was an attempt to make Doctor Who big! I think he gets idea of what the Whoniverse could be. As I said he gets a lot of stick because of Jodi but I implore anyone to watch era again without the noise of social media pouring opinion down your ear. It’s not as bad as you remember. To me Chibnall like Moffat grew up wanting to be the Doctor. I’d say that Moffat wanted to be Jon Pertwee and. Chris Chibnall would make himself the Doctor. Whereas Russell is basically rose. For me, in my imagination I think. Think how Genesis of the Daleks would’ve been with that Disney money. But instead we got farting space ships
I really liked this episode a classic RTD opener in my view. I prefer the next episode though and look forward to seeing what you think.
IMHO Doctor Who is best when it tells grown-up stories in ways that are accessible for children.
This was just a childish story .
Yes, I like this description.
Meant to say I agree about the amount of info dumping about the history of the show, I assumed this era would start off like Rose, all stripped back of all that , I was up for it and thought it would be best for brand new viewers, but maybe he thinks even them sort of know a lot now compared to his first new era?! I don't know, I would have preferred it being more like he did with Rose/Smith and Jones in terms of holding stuff back, that really Ruby doesn't need to know yet .
Also, I wonder if some stuff will make sense later, like all the little fourth wall breaks we keep getting , honestly there's been several now I feel, to the point where I wonder if its a long game by RTD , to do with the last Doctor messing up the line between reality and fiction/fact and fantasy , when he let The Toymaker 'in' .
SPACE BABIES
I can't stop using that phrase after a few watches of this , it needs a ! after it .
And I really think some people are forgetting how silly and random Doctor Who can get even in the Classic Era.
...........................SPACE BABIES ! TO THE RESCUE
I guess I've just decided to try and relax a bit , I've noticed I tend to like new Who more when it's a few series old, and I can see a whole season and it's journey with some distance, and free of the pressure of being the brand new 'Right Now ' most recent stuff. So I'm trying to bare that in mind and not set my opinion too harsh too quickly. The first RTD era went from Farting Monsters and Burpijg Bins to much stronger stuff fairly quickly when you look back. I'm trying to have faith this time round.
I don’t understand why they branded this as ‘Season One’, but didn’t make a cleaner break. It immediately makes references to stuff that a brand new viewer may not have seen. The Doctor’s info dump at best is a pretty clunky recap, but if you’re a first time viewer it must have seemed a bizarre and incompetent introduction to a character. Would RTD write like that on any other show?
I get dropping that stuff in for new viewers but not sure it all needed to be done in the first 5 minutes and in such a clumsy fashion.
Agreed, I was braced for a 'sweep the floor clean' approach
I thought it was a fun albeit silly episode with an interesting concept. It is a bit too childish though, like the Slitheen. Agreed on the clunky exposition and retreading old ideas. Ncuti and Millie are great. Not the strongest start, but not the worst either.
Oh and RTD does say that Doctor Who is never a reboot. It’s all the same story, from classic until present. A continuation of you will 😊
I don't listen to anything he says. It's the American remake filmed in Britain.
@@TheZodiacz American? It's produced by 2 British companies (Bad Wolf and BBC Studios) with a Welsh showrunner.
Classic Who would never have toilet humour and sex jokes like the modern era. What possessed RTD to think that a ship powered by human crap with a snot monster on the loose was a good way to open the new season? You’re right RTD is repeating himself with similar plot lines but he’s also ripping off Beast Below. I still don’t like Gatwa playing the Doctor because he’s playing himself. There’s no gravitas. I like the Doctor to have a stern aloof side and having Gatwa say things like “Babes and sweetheart doesn’t feel like the Doctor to me. It’s like two companions have taken over the Tardis. I’d give this 0/10. Abysmal. Great reactions.
Cheers Paul. I echo a lot of those feelings. Hoping for an absolute stonker from Moffat to blow this thing wide open though.
@@TheShallowProclamation You’re welcome. Yes can Moffat salvage this?
Surely the Master grew up wrong
Maybe RTD thinks he's just misunderstood 😉
When this blip with Disney ends (my guess after two series), maybe we'll finally get Doctor Who back. Great review, great channel. Keep going lads!
Doctor Who never went anywhere. Disney do not make the show.
@@friendlyotaku9525 EVERY
SINGLE
VIDEO.
Go away now, you're a very boring and annoying kid.
I enjoyed Space Babies in the way I enjoy watching SpongeBob SquarePants.
I was apprehensive about this episode before watching it, but I thought it turned out to be quite enjoyable - I actually preferred it to The Devil's Chord. RTD clearly intended this to be a jumping on point for new viewers, so the Doctor is given quite a lot of exposition to get the newbies up to speed, but while a little clunky I didn't feel it got in the way of the story. I enjoyed the monster and the traditional running through corridors, and I thought the talking babies worked quite well, and were not too cute - it was amusing to hear the Doctor use the same nicknames for baby Poppy as I use for my dog, who is also called Poppy! There were some nice, tense moments, and I think Ncuti managed to catch the Doctor’s essential essence as a respecter of all forms of life. I was also glad that, while RTD did include a couple of political messages, it didn’t feel preachy or overpower the drama, though I agree it felt quite jarring in a cutesy episode. I also noticed the callbacks to The End of the World, but in fairness that was nearly 20 years ago now, scary as that feels...
One thing I could have done without was the Doctor saying “space babies” every five minutes, and while it is nice to see he has already formed a strong bond with Ruby, I hope the hyperactivity they both show on occasion gets toned down, as it risks becoming annoying and like the uber-smug Ten-Rose relationship. Ruby also feels a bit two dimensional at present, so I hope we get more depth to her as the season progresses. The mystery over her origins is nicely stoked, though as far as I could see from the TARDIS scans at the end she appears to be fully human - maybe something is deceiving the TARDIS, though? All in all, a solid if unspectacular start to the season - just a shame the next episode proved (for me) to be such a crashing disappointment…
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I'm with Paul. This is one of the worst Doctor Who stories of all time. Very, very silly, super light and fluffy. It's shocking to me that *some* people seem to think this is *so* Doctor Who and all that. It's not. There's virtually no precedent for it in the entire classic series. It's RTD's version, with the camp turned up to 11.
Classic Who had a bunch of really silly stories, some even more so than this!
@TwixverseTwo The worst I could manage is "The Creature from the Pit" which has the dreaded green blob with a giant, um, appendage. Which was at the time recognized as a disaster by the production team. It was a matter of not having the means of executing an effect, rather than a deliberate attempt at camp. And it's from a season that was considered the worst for many decades by fans.
RTD made that the norm. He saw the show as a laugh, not a serious SF show. He saw low production values, which he considered camp, and decided that regardless of the budget, he was going to weave camp into the show, despite having the money to do otherwise.
There might have been some silly moments in classic Who, but it was never played entirely for a joke like "Space Babies"!
@MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio You are aware RTD has wrote some of the darkest episodes in the shows history right? But Doctor Who doesn't just do one type of story, it has variety. Yet you seem to think RTD only does silly stories which is not true
@TwixverseTwo Time and the Rani, The Horns of Nimon, The Romans, The Chase etc.
@@friendlyotaku9525 What, "Midnight"? What else? And even that one is a bunch of BS about cities made out of diamond, space tours, and a nebulous alien that we never get an explanation for because actual SF would make his head hurt.
Honestly, I liked it, I'm glad I kept myself as spoiler free as possible , I loved the Slace Babies (!) , first I found found creepy , then funny and very Doctor Who. If Charlie Brooker of Black Mirror was family friendly, I think you would get something like this.
Loveď the cute scene between The Doctor and Poppy ,loved him scaring them and laughing even more.. couldnt quite enough empathy for the Monster, bit too gross an idea for me as a thing to save, but I enjoyed seeing Ruby get gunged , (like Amy in the big mouth) I like it when the companions struggles a bit like that, so I do agree she's written as a bit too much 'taking stuff in her stride'
I've rewatched the first 2 episodes a few times now and I'm enjoying them enough to look forward to more and when the arc themes become central .
I respectfully think yous were being a bit grumpy and sniffy at some points , it can't all be Inferno episode 6 ya know!
*SPACE BABIES*
I was literally sniffy and fending off the possibility of creating my own snot monster, so that may well have influenced me.
Fair enough 😅
Yeah I think this was an enjoyable episode, not amazing but good for what it set out to do!
I agree with Paul this to me was an episode written for 5 year olds.
First things first - Ncuti and Millie are superb and Ruby is a northern girl not a softy southerner 🤣Rather a big info dump but understandable and let’s get it out of the way.The Doctor can’t be the last of the Time Lords when the Master is trapped in a tooth. I thought he used artron energy to revive the butterfly; sorry I was laughing with it, didn’t feel it was disturbing at all. Tonally it’s like most RTDs early season episodes but I enjoyed this one. It was fresh it was space babies and snot monsters. Tell me any other show that could do that. You also seemed to have missed Susan Twist.
Hold the Susan Twist thought for episode 2
All that exposition😩.
Having the classic era fresh in mind it was 6 years (6 YEARS!!!) or 50 stories (yes FIFTY!) before we found out the Doctor was a Time-Lord, another 5 years to hear the name “Gallifrey” and any real detail about regeneration and another 3 years after that before we see the Doctor actively engage with his people in any meaningful way.
WTF is wrong with mystery? The clue is the name of the show people!🤦♂️it reeks of needy and desperation quite frankly.
OMG! "The 2nd episode is better", have you been in hospital?
I mean, anything is better than this.
The episode said it all, it was all a pile of shit :D
Wow what a change this is after the final episode of Inferno, a bona fide classic. I haven’t watched the show since Tennant’s first season as I just couldn’t get into it. After hearing what was featured in this episode I’ve absolutely no desire to get back into it again either. Edit: and apparently Davies has recently admitted he has “gay self-inserted” himself into the series, hence the wokeness going into overdrive.
Well RTD got me to come back after I walked in 2017, but I'm never going back again.
Even as bad as it was under Chibnall & Whittaker, I was never as embarrassed to be a Doctor Who fan
as I was watching those two opening stories. Ncuti Gatwa is an appalling actor, and the writing is abysmal. RIP Doctor Who 1963-2017. Just let it die now, please.
I’m with you. Monsters made of snot? Methane from pooey nappies flying a spaceship? Yeah I think I’ll pass on properly watching this episode for sure.
Well we had ones of Eye Dust ! I think it could have done with a line or two of more mature scientific chat about the Monster .
I'll leave the comment about Ncuti where it deserves to be in the rubbish bin.
@@stuartwho He was awful! 😂 Playing yourself isn't acting!
Go back to proper classic who when it was more freighting and had better writers
I love classic who but let’s be real. It was never perfect. let’s watch well written stories like The Sensorites, The Web Planet, The Underwater Menace and The Space Pirates. The era When we got brilliant effects like bendy toy dinosaurs, spaceships on string, toy tanks and action man figures. And musical episodes like The Gunfighters. And I’ve not even started on the 80s.
@@stuartwho its worth more watching than todays woke shit its like watching tele tubbies and strictly come dancing now its not scary one bit its like a carry on series pathetic