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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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Комментарии • 246

  • @nathanlandrum8629
    @nathanlandrum8629 3 месяца назад +97

    One thing I love about Nerd of the Ring's videos is the music that's included. Wish I could find it to listen to.

    • @manonkaufman9684
      @manonkaufman9684 3 месяца назад

      Same! I love listening to the background accompaniments.

    • @RaynmanPlays
      @RaynmanPlays 3 месяца назад +8

      It really should be in a credits section.

    • @rossgardiner4715
      @rossgardiner4715 3 месяца назад +2

      I mean just ask him he's offered the links before

    • @benjaminstrickland5397
      @benjaminstrickland5397 3 месяца назад

      I love the artwork too!

  • @ChrisN3992
    @ChrisN3992 3 месяца назад +82

    Shoutout to Debbie, the only mortal who walks in both worlds

    • @darthkielbasa
      @darthkielbasa 3 месяца назад +5

      Praise Debbie the unclean wraithe beast.

    • @ChrisN3992
      @ChrisN3992 3 месяца назад +17

      @@darthkielbasa no unclean wraithe beast would patron the documenting of the history of the free peoples - nay, Debbie is more akin to the revered company of Pengolodh in Gondolin of old

    • @Charlie-m6r5v
      @Charlie-m6r5v 3 месяца назад +1

      Who is Debbie

    • @ChrisN3992
      @ChrisN3992 3 месяца назад +5

      @@Charlie-m6r5v Debbie is a regular patron of this channel

  • @imraduin
    @imraduin 3 месяца назад +35

    Holy crap, Annato Finnstarks' art just doesn't get old. And his dark style with swirls and light works so incredibly well with the evil in Middle-Earth.

    • @RadicalCaveman
      @RadicalCaveman 3 месяца назад

      I'm glad his name isn't Annatar.

    • @xXMilk__DrinkerXx
      @xXMilk__DrinkerXx 2 дня назад

      Crazy that I paused to admire that first pic of frodo at 0:11 and saw this comment. Looked up the author and sure enough, it's his painting.

  • @marcb3097
    @marcb3097 3 месяца назад +21

    Excellent breakdown of the seen and unseen world. Thanks Matt!

  • @TetsuShima
    @TetsuShima 3 месяца назад +52

    Let's be grateful that Tolkien could just before dying retcon the story of the two Glorfindels. He turned a massive plot hole in one of the most badass character background in fiction

    • @mliz9214
      @mliz9214 3 месяца назад +7

      When I first read The Fall of Gondolin and saw the name 'Legolas' I excitedly thought he might get a Glorfindel treatment, but apparently not so 😢

    • @HighPriestFuneral
      @HighPriestFuneral 3 месяца назад +2

      This is hard to say... the earliest writings of Lord of the Rings implies that Glorfindel was always intended to be from Gondolin, (p. 214 - Return of the Shadow) but yeah. It wasn't until very late that he clarified that Glorfindel who died in Gondolin was the same as Glorfindel who predicted about the Witch-King and all of that.

  • @daniels7907
    @daniels7907 3 месяца назад +26

    The Istari had their visible presence in the Unseen suppressed, much as they also did not have at-will access to their full powers as Maiar. Otherwise, Gandalf could not have accompanied the Fellowship without attracting attention either. Although Sauron could likely perceive him during his fight with Durin's Bane when the restrictions on his powers seemed to be temporarily revoked.

  • @diomedea6771
    @diomedea6771 3 месяца назад +26

    Great video! I wouldn't be so quick to count Elrond out as one who can access the Unseen World, however. It is quite possible that bearing Vilya might confer that ability, and, things are never straightforward with him, because of his descent from Melian. Thranduil would make a better example of an Elf that would not likely have that access.

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад +1

      I think Arondir is an even better example.😂

    • @darrianorebela
      @darrianorebela Месяц назад

      As in you think he has access to the unseen world?

  • @Torfin2001
    @Torfin2001 3 месяца назад +70

    *Fun fact:* Glorfindel actually appears in the 1977 swedish adaptation of LOTR called "Sagan om Ringem". Pretty crazy to think that an unofficial low-budget production gave us a character from the original book no other LOTR adaptation, including Jackson's movies, ever did

    • @iainballas
      @iainballas 3 месяца назад +13

      Funny how countries that don't adhere to the IP rights of other countries tend to produce the most amazing niche art. Almost like not restricting creativity... encourages creativity.

    • @laurend9829
      @laurend9829 3 месяца назад +4

      @@iainballas ...? Not all IP laws are bad - in fact, most exist to protect the artist and original artwork. But besides that, your comment doesn't really apply to the trilogy. The omission of Glorfindel from Jackson's trilogy was a creative choice and not due to IP restrictions. Jackson could've included Glorfindel, but chose to take some creative liberties and expand on Arwen's role, to have more women featured in the story. Having Glorfindel in the original river crossing could still have worked perfectly fine, but movies make choices to streamline books all the time.

    • @RadicalCaveman
      @RadicalCaveman 3 месяца назад +2

      @@laurend9829 Yeah, to protect the writer or artist... that's why it lasts for 75 years after they die.

    • @DreamBelief
      @DreamBelief 2 месяца назад +1

      It's not about ability. They could put the character in. They simply made the choice not to, for varying reasons

  • @mrs.manrique7411
    @mrs.manrique7411 3 месяца назад +18

    Another thing to think about the unseen world is…whether all who dwelt in the blessed realm could see others in the unseen world. We know Annatar was able to fool all the Noldor (many said to have been born in Valinor) of Eregion, and supposedly Galadriel was only suspicious of him, but not certain of his identity. Being present in the unseen does not seem to make them invincible and able to tell all spirits apart.

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

      Maybe Elves cannot see the unseen aspect of Maiar, but Maiar can see that of Elves🤔

  • @SupremeLadyofDarkness28
    @SupremeLadyofDarkness28 3 месяца назад +4

    despite Frodo getting stabbed this is one of my favorite scenes in "The Fellowship of the Ring", where we get to see the Nazgul in their true forms (actually, they're some of my favorite characters). growing up it amazed me: the contrast between the Nine's bright, wispy forms and Aragorn's dark figure (the clash of colors is fascinating). not to mention the sounds are different too. also, Glorfindel is so cool. 😊

  • @orfeas8
    @orfeas8 3 месяца назад +7

    I wondered at some point if Balrogs or even the Nameless Things could see/exist in the unseen world as well. But this is something we can only guess. But, the Elves having lived in the Blessed Realm being able to exist in both worlds is amazing. Probably rewarded for their valor by taking the great march from Cuivienen to Valinor or just the effect of the Undying Lands? A being's spiritual power increased by its first life following them into the next like Glorfindel's is such a piece for entire conversations on afterlife lol. Amazing aspects in Tolkien's world. Thanks for the unique video. I'd love to watch more theories from you and something of less heard or traveled places like Almaren and the Years of the Lamps and Forodwaith in Middle Earth.

    • @KellyClowers
      @KellyClowers 3 месяца назад +2

      Balrogs are Maiar so yes they have power in the Unseen world. Though possibly less than before they fell

  • @meganrussell5103
    @meganrussell5103 3 месяца назад +24

    Thank you for your channel. I love it and how you go into so much detail with everything, I appreciate you 😊

  • @nicnsugar
    @nicnsugar 3 месяца назад +135

    Just imagine how cool it would be to live in the unseen world... The potential for industrial espionage would be massive

    • @beecee2205
      @beecee2205 3 месяца назад +21

      so cool you become one of the Nazgul. How much fun is that

    • @esecarolus
      @esecarolus 3 месяца назад +3

      Lol😂

    • @metalsonn
      @metalsonn 3 месяца назад +4

      @@beecee2205Well, manwë is also in the unseen world and THAT WAS A JOKE FOR GOD’S SAKE!

    • @beecee2205
      @beecee2205 3 месяца назад +3

      @@metalsonn I know, I find the Nazgul funny

    • @glennhiggins7680
      @glennhiggins7680 3 месяца назад +4

      Uh...it's called New York.

  • @Antichrist.318
    @Antichrist.318 3 месяца назад +11

    Just wanted to say dude, I was watching your glaurung vid yesterday, and your dubbing was hilarious lmao 🤣🤣

  • @thechainuser4540
    @thechainuser4540 3 месяца назад +5

    He uploads, we watch. ❤

  • @cormacmacsuibhne2867
    @cormacmacsuibhne2867 3 месяца назад +6

    9:00 the Quenya word for Incarnate is Mirröanwi whilst the Ainur are ëalar meaning they may take a body if they desire but lose this ability if they are fell and become too weak like the Balrog, Sauron and Saruman.

  • @istari0
    @istari0 3 месяца назад +5

    Gildor Inglorion also lived in Valinor before returning to Middle-Earth and there may have been a few other Noldor who lived there as well. They might also be able to be in both worlds.

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

      Why would Elves live in the unseen world? Their fëar are drawn to Ëa: the stars, moon, sun, and Arda. What would they do in the unseen world? They may be able to detect unseen evil in the unseen world, so they can deal with it, but I don't think they would go into that realm on their own volition, in order to communicate with each other.

  • @zj3366
    @zj3366 3 месяца назад

    Hvala!

  • @gabriellaabigelfleischman9961
    @gabriellaabigelfleischman9961 3 месяца назад +5

    The unseen world is fascinating

  • @valentinkambushev4968
    @valentinkambushev4968 3 месяца назад +23

    I love that Tolkien didn't overuse the unseen world. I forget it's even a thing in Middle Earth most of the time. I feel like many modern writers would use it too much and try to explain it too much, thus making it boring.

    • @kalachakra1508
      @kalachakra1508 3 месяца назад +5

      So true!

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад +1

      That's a good point. 😁👍

    • @tbg07
      @tbg07 2 месяца назад +1

      Tolkien magical system is one of its best strength indeed.

  • @elvenkind6072
    @elvenkind6072 3 месяца назад

    Amazingly well done work. Both the narration, the music in the background and specially all the wonderful pictures! Good work!!!

  • @Garrett-SonofStephen
    @Garrett-SonofStephen 3 месяца назад +1

    Great video Matt! Glorfindel really was a G. Lol.

  • @jonasvincaskatkus265
    @jonasvincaskatkus265 3 месяца назад +6

    Can you do a video about poems of/in/about Middle-Earth?

  • @Sjforlor
    @Sjforlor 2 месяца назад

    Please do a video on the significance of the seven stars throughout Tolkeins writings.
    I'm a huge history buff and the constellation Pleiades (known as the "Seven Sisters") is significant to almost all ancient civilizations.
    I'd love your take on Tolkiens adaptation of the Pleiades.

  • @socrabe
    @socrabe 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for this high quality video. And thank you to everyone who contributes to make this channel what it is. 😊

  • @primal1233
    @primal1233 3 месяца назад +3

    Thanks for another informative video

  • @Chrisytigers
    @Chrisytigers 3 месяца назад +1

    Great vid.. iv always pondered my favs from 1st 2nd 3rd age ( wished id meet a fan in real life and they asked me lol) and Glorfindel kinda shows up twice and the the main reson is finding it cool / interesting how the W.K is so scared due 2 his presence in the unseen wrld.

  • @MrBobby7711
    @MrBobby7711 3 месяца назад +4

    I wonder if a knife similar to the Morgul one is how the barrow wights were created. Sacrificial victims who would be forever slaves to the Witch King of Angmar, who would guard the treasures and weapons of the long dead Dunedain. Weapons such as the sword Merry carried to the Pelennor fields.

    • @michaelminch5490
      @michaelminch5490 3 месяца назад

      Matt covers how the Barrow Wights came to be in this video -
      ruclips.net/video/OODFTIEKfRc/видео.html

    • @KellyClowers
      @KellyClowers 3 месяца назад

      Nah the Witch-king stuffed evil spirits into already dead bodies

    • @MrBobby7711
      @MrBobby7711 3 месяца назад

      @michaelminch5490 Really that explains nothing. When men or elves died, their spirits went to places beyond the control of Sauron or the Witch King. Only with magic tools of ensnarement could this be prevented, such as with rings of power or the morgul blade. So the video answers nothing as to their creation. And maybe it can't, which is okay.

    • @MrBobby7711
      @MrBobby7711 3 месяца назад

      @KellyClowers That principle is not inconsistent with Tolkien's world, though before it had been done to living creatures, which is how werewolves came about. I suppose since the Witch King seems very obsessed with death, even naming himself that when facing Gandalf at the gate of Minas Tirith, it could be that he extended the principle. But it still doesn't answer from whence the spirits came. And maybe that Isn't a question we can answer.

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

      That is an interesting theory.
      But why would one Morgul blade cause someone to complete fade like Frodo almost did, while another blade turns Men into Wights, which are seen in the physical world?🤔

  • @zorasaphire
    @zorasaphire 3 месяца назад

    I'm so sorry. I was part of that (typically) 75% that weren't subbed for some reason... I've been watching ur videos for a while. I guess I assumed I was. Well, that's resolved now. Keep up the great work! ❤

  • @richardmather1906
    @richardmather1906 3 месяца назад

    Also interesting in this regard is the conversation of Aragorn and Arwen, where he points out to her that he is a mortal man, and the twilight is not for him, and she chooses him, and renounces it.

  • @fireraider747
    @fireraider747 3 месяца назад +3

    Interesting video 💍 always good info.

  • @artemkras
    @artemkras 3 месяца назад +3

    Thanks for a treat )

  • @joseftheerazor
    @joseftheerazor 28 дней назад

    4:36
    I think what Gandalf says here quite fits the description of what occured in the Shadow of Mordor games-- mainly the last one.
    Where (not spoiling the ending) a certain character puts one 1⃣ of the rings of the nine so he can live. Afterwards, though his good intensions) went to Minas morgul to expel the nine & had safeguarded the realm.
    However even with his noble & good intentions the character socums to the one rings influences & becomes part of the nine.

  • @Eowyn3Pride
    @Eowyn3Pride 3 месяца назад

    This was excellent! Thank you Matt!😁🧝‍♂️🧝‍♀️🧙‍♂️🍻🥔

  • @elberethglithoniel
    @elberethglithoniel 3 месяца назад +1

    always love ur video!!

  • @queenvrook
    @queenvrook 3 месяца назад +14

    I do have a life, I don't just sit here waiting for videos to drop. Really...

    • @sulljoh1
      @sulljoh1 2 месяца назад

      I have become like you, but weaker.

  • @ydorius
    @ydorius 3 месяца назад +3

    After months (if not years) listening to your podcast I have one question. Glorfindel, being the most powerful elf in the Middle-Earth during the Third Age - probably more powerful than Galadriel and Cirdan combined, as he actually fought and defeated Balrog - was sitting peacefully in Rivendell at the whole time? Wouldn't it be wiser to prepare a false "fellowship of the ring" with Glorfindel (and others: Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel etc.) onboard to deceive Sauron? For sure the great hero of the First Age, Glorfindel, had no better things to do back then?

    • @bellapheron
      @bellapheron 3 месяца назад +1

      Perhaps Glorfindel was one of those elves who felt that their time in Middle Earth was ending, and that this was not their battle to fight...

    • @catfreeny
      @catfreeny 3 месяца назад +1

      If you had too many heavy hitters, I wonder if that would have been clearly seen through. Glorfindel was excluded because he would draw too much attention, but if you overplay your hand, that is also very obvious.

    • @caiobotelho9733
      @caiobotelho9733 3 месяца назад +1

      He probably fought on the northern part of the war

  • @AnnaSirena69
    @AnnaSirena69 2 месяца назад

    Wow! Now I finally understand why Glorfindel wasn't included in the Fellowship - he would be like a beacon of light in the night for Sauron.
    (He would teach a lesson to Balrog though.. hehe😸)
    But still I'm glad that he spared that opportunity to Gandalf. As we see - to beat a Balrog is a great way to get 80lvl instantly.

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

    Yes. My favorite example of what you are teferring to is when Mirdania put on the Ring and went berserker with the hammer.😂🤣😆 Was that supposed to be cool? 😎

  • @alconvin2334
    @alconvin2334 3 месяца назад

    Reminds me of the fourth dimension. Perhaps those claimed by a ring "drip" down, smudged downwards, the wraith-world as a hell below the seen, and the timeless halls far far above.

  • @sabrinagrosso623
    @sabrinagrosso623 3 месяца назад

    Thank you very much for taking the suggestion and making this video. It was very interesting and instructive, congrats! I was wondering what are your thoughts on why the dwellers of Valinor are able to exist in both worlds and I've also always been curious about how these beings sense/see/notice the unseen world. Do you know of any sources where these topics may be adressed? Thanks in advance.

  • @letsdashisthebest
    @letsdashisthebest 3 месяца назад +8

    Wow imagine living two worlds!

    • @smoovveee
      @smoovveee 3 месяца назад +5

      same worlds, more like 2 sides of the same coin

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 месяца назад +1

      "living twice at once you'll learn that you're safe from pain and the dream remains, the soul set free to fly" --Queensryche

    • @letsdashisthebest
      @letsdashisthebest 3 месяца назад +2

      @@susanyoung6579 that's some philosophy
      Edit:👏👏

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 месяца назад +1

      @@letsdashisthebest I do not claim to live in both worlds but I do believe this is an achievable state of being and am making an effort to do so. There are clues littered about if you go looking for them.

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 месяца назад +1

      @@letsdashisthebest the original Star Wars trilogy for example, is an instruction manual for how to overcome the barriers to self enlightenment. The reason there are only ever two Sith is because they're your parents! Darth Vadar translates to "the dark father".

  • @SamuelViana
    @SamuelViana 3 месяца назад +6

    does the ones lying at Dagorlad are also wraiths and still persist in the unseen ? And the same for the undead cursed by Isildur ?

  • @sulljoh1
    @sulljoh1 2 месяца назад

    This is a good one

  • @DarthDimadome
    @DarthDimadome 3 месяца назад +1

    I guess Gandalf was okay to go to Mordor, despite also existing in the Unseen World. He probably just appears as weed smoke.

  • @bloodyneptune
    @bloodyneptune Месяц назад

    I know its not what would happen, but whenever I read the bit about how Frodo would have become a wraith, I just picture a 10th black horse and a tiny Ring Wraith on it in a tiny wraith outfit. Like a Peanuts version of a wraith.

  • @zacharycollins9485
    @zacharycollins9485 3 месяца назад +1

    This video is great. I feel seen 😁

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

    I think the spirits of the Oathbreakers were in the unseen world, even though Peter Jackson showed them as visible, they were invisible, but their presence was felt in the seen world.

  • @SkinnyEatWorld95
    @SkinnyEatWorld95 3 месяца назад +2

    This should be very interesting😁

  • @MiguelBurney
    @MiguelBurney 3 месяца назад

    Ngl I am really excited for this anime because I love anime and LOTR. But I also was imagining an animation like the 2007 movie Beowulf would’ve been cool too

  • @MyOliver123
    @MyOliver123 3 месяца назад

    Hey Nerd of the rings… love your videos!
    If you get a second I have some questions related to Tolkiens works.
    1st regarding the unseen world. It’s stated in lord of the rings that some elves have a large presence in the unseen world like glorfindel, so would it be possible for him to destroy or kill the ring wraiths?
    2nd is regarding size comparisons of characters like morgoth. The portraits I see are that morgoth/ belrogs are enormous compared to elves and wizards but is this comparison correct?

  • @LordTelperion
    @LordTelperion 3 месяца назад

    "Therefore the Valar may walk, if they will, unclad, and then even the Eldar cannot clearly perceive them, though they be present."

  • @kristenrosales2919
    @kristenrosales2919 3 месяца назад +2

    Even if the One Ring was destroyed, would the Ringwraiths still be present in the unseen world or completely vanish entirely? That's what I want to know.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 3 месяца назад +4

      The Gift of Men could not be removed by anyone except Ilúvatar. The Ringwraiths perished and their spirits traveled outside the Circles of the World.

  • @justthinkingoutloud2538
    @justthinkingoutloud2538 3 месяца назад

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the difference between wraiths and other spirits is that wraiths are being drawn into the unseen world, and thus still having a physical effect upon the seen world while being invisible to it, the spirits of beings who have died exist entirely within the unseen world and cannot physically interact with the seen world, only have a psychological effect on living beings, hence why the dead men of Dunharrow could only frighten away the Corsairs at Pelargir, while wraiths such as the nazgul can wear clothing and weild weapons. But if that is the case, what are wights, such as the barrow-wights or the spirits that haunt the dead marshes?

  • @luudest
    @luudest 3 месяца назад +8

    Marry: Stabs the Witch King. Looses consciousness.
    Frodo: Gets stabbed by Witch King. Holds out for 14 days.

    • @michaelminch5490
      @michaelminch5490 3 месяца назад +3

      When Merry stabbed him, the Witch King was at his full power.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 3 месяца назад +3

      Merry was all alone until Pippin found him. Frodo got aid right away.

    • @purplbirb50
      @purplbirb50 3 месяца назад +3

      You might be mixing up book canon and movie canon. Merry doesn't fall unconscious. In fact he walks all the way back to and into Minas Tirith before even being found by Pippin who, with the help from Gandalf, takes Merry to the Houses of Healing.

  • @joedonnellyiii4596
    @joedonnellyiii4596 3 месяца назад

    Makes you wonder how many lesser wraiths, victims of Nazgul blades, are about that weren't saved...

  • @strillium4407
    @strillium4407 3 месяца назад +2

    How do beings that exist in both worlds change their viewpoint from one to the other without using a ring like Frodo? Or do they exist in both but only see in one?

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 месяца назад +3

      I'm guessing that if they exist in both then they can see in both simultaneously to the same extent they exist in each realm. It's not necessarily a 50/50 split.

  • @blackeyedlily
    @blackeyedlily 3 месяца назад +7

    I think this is an excellent topic to cover for people who are watching the Rings of Power. I feel like they spoke more about it in season one. But then you had more examples in season two, like when Celebrimbor’s apprentice disappeared. It will be interesting to see how much they develop this concept, as the various rings are used by the various races in the upcoming seasons.

  • @aquilarossa5191
    @aquilarossa5191 3 месяца назад

    Most mythologies and religions describe an unseen world. Tolkien just got more creative with it.
    I used to believe in an unseen world, but now I think the more rational and I guess wise position to take is to be agnostic about what I experienced. I am 54 now, but in my teens I thought I went to the unseen world and nearly died. I need not explain why. Maybe I did. Maybe it was just my brain going into some strange dream state.
    It is impossible to explain what it was like, because it's unseen. You just sense what is there. The seen world felt like it was a entire universe away. I seemed to be connected to it and my body by a thin strand or something. That strand was going to break, so I would not be going back. I remember pleading to go back and eventually woke up back in my body. Maybe a dream, maybe not. I don't know, i.e., agnostic.
    P.S. Whatever it was, some things there were not exactly friendly and were communicating with me, but not with language. If it was not a dream and is something that actually exists, then with it being impossible to describe and know much about, we can not say much about it conclusively. We can only speculate. Therefore beware of anybody claiming to know all about that kind of thing (especially if they want 10% of your income, or offer you Kool-aid).

  • @OGtatata
    @OGtatata 3 месяца назад

    Question for anyone: if Nazgûl are invisible, why do they wear robes so people can’t see them? Why not just roam invisible, think of the progress they could make

  • @TimChristenson
    @TimChristenson 3 месяца назад +1

    Now we're talking

  • @antonikowalik8299
    @antonikowalik8299 3 месяца назад

    Well, one thing strikes me: maybe Elrond also had a strong presence in Unseen, but because of contact with Silmaril of Elwing (!), not because of Vilya. Perhaps otherwise he wouldn't be able to use the one of three, at least not in the effective way... just an idea.

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um 3 месяца назад

    Thought Tolkien goes into very little detail about this 'other side' to reality, it is mentioned often in accounts that have come down to our own time through folklore. In these stories, it is commonplace to find fairies and elves - and less friendly beings - moving between our world and their own mysterious realm as a parallel dimension. Indeed, these stories are, in part, the origin of the of 'fairyland', and it seems plausible that Tolkien's idea of the ghostly wraith-world is in some way related to them. In the end, though, he gives us so little information that it is hard to do more than speculate the subject.

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

    The fëa of the Witch King and the ëalar of Sauron and Saruman passed permanently into the unseen world.

  • @phoule76
    @phoule76 3 месяца назад

    It seems Gollum would have faded more, but that would've been hard to retcon.

  • @michaelandreipalon359
    @michaelandreipalon359 3 месяца назад

    4:35-4:51 sounds like timelooping too.

  • @oviekpolugbo4227
    @oviekpolugbo4227 3 месяца назад

    Isn't it also stated in Fellowship that the descendants of elves from Valinor would also light up in the unseen world?

  • @adewolegreat1185
    @adewolegreat1185 3 месяца назад +1

    I saw a lot of references to the "unseen" world in the movie - "The ring of power", this video clears things up.

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

    Eru Ilúvatar operates in the Unseen World.

  • @necroslikerock
    @necroslikerock 3 месяца назад

    To be fair, everything that occurs in our world also falls into the categories of either "seen" or "unseen".

  • @ThomasHuayra
    @ThomasHuayra 3 месяца назад +1

    8:12 But that doesn't really sound to me like that trait belongs exclusively to individuals who had lived in Valinor, it sounds more like all those who lived in Valinor have it, while leaving open the option that others do as well? Or am I lacking information? Cause I wouldn't quickly assume that the husband of Galadriel has no presence in the unseen world.

  • @Enerdhil
    @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

    Gandalf the Grey entered the unseen world when he died, only to re-enter the seen world as Gandalf the White.

  • @jacobshore5115
    @jacobshore5115 3 месяца назад +1

    I think all the Ainur and the elves exist in the seen and unseen worlds together, right?

  • @mikedrake9680
    @mikedrake9680 2 месяца назад

    Wait if the reason for Glorfindel not going with the fellowship was his unseen presence how come it wasn’t the same for Gandalf? Or was it because glorfindels was just obnoxious comparatively?

  • @gargoyles9999
    @gargoyles9999 3 месяца назад

    Obi-wan: I passed through a door to another dimension and you can to if you do enough Midichlorians. You can go anywhere, do anything, ladies locker rooms Duke

  • @manuelvallano3071
    @manuelvallano3071 3 месяца назад +1

    First of all thank you for all the great content, im loving ur channel!!.
    i wanted to ask about the recent news that amazon MGM studios jennifer salke indicates it could purchase rights I.P.(intellectual property) to LOTR nd HOBBIT from Embracer Goup. If this is real, i read, that Sauron (bezos) could actually take the license from Warner Discovery in case it gets the I.P. Does this mean Sauron Bezos wants to rule the whole middle earth? Could this ruin the new projects that Warner has in schedule? big hugs to everyone, enjoy life.

  • @TetsuShima
    @TetsuShima 3 месяца назад +12

    Absolutely loved how the Unseen World and the Nazgul were depicted in the 1978 animated movie. It was one of the things the Bakshi adaptation did better than the Peter Jackson's filns

    • @valentinkambushev4968
      @valentinkambushev4968 3 месяца назад +4

      The advantages animation has over live-action.

    • @TmHudsonArt
      @TmHudsonArt 3 месяца назад +2

      I liked Bakshis blackriders overall over PJs..they were far creepier...

  • @FilippoJr
    @FilippoJr 3 месяца назад

    How would Gandalf know what would happen to someone who uses the ring, Gollum held the ring longer than anyone and used the ring many times, yet he wasn’t turned invisible permanently. Was it a complete guess?

    • @caiobotelho9733
      @caiobotelho9733 3 месяца назад

      He was talking about the rings of Man

  • @KuLaydMahn
    @KuLaydMahn 3 месяца назад

    Wouldnt Gandalf also be seen as a radiant being of light by the eyes of evil, though? Wouldnt Gandalf's presence also hinder their secrecy?
    He does die/get separated from the group early on, but would he go at all?

  • @bobdavidson8019
    @bobdavidson8019 3 месяца назад

    So Gandolf would have been able to to see Bilbo or Frodo if they had the ring on? Is there anywhere in the books where Gandolf is present when one of the Hobbits has the ring on?

  • @ilikemandalorians9861
    @ilikemandalorians9861 3 месяца назад +1

    Sir, will you do a review of the 70th anniversary edition set? 😶‍🌫️

  • @paulomorais2066
    @paulomorais2066 2 месяца назад

    “Visibilium omnium et invisibilium”
    Is it that hard to acknowledge that Tolkien was a firm Christian and drew lots of inspiration from his faith?

  • @Cadence733
    @Cadence733 3 месяца назад +2

    I think this connects with when Aragorn speaks to the Rohirim and Leoglas sees the flames coming around his head.

  • @lb7631
    @lb7631 3 месяца назад

    please make a gameplay video of playing The One Ring 2e Role Playing Game

  • @nickolloren8551
    @nickolloren8551 3 месяца назад

    Next,, life and travels of Adar...

  • @tbg07
    @tbg07 2 месяца назад

    I tend to disagree on one point. I'm sure that galadriel and elrond, or at least one of them for sure, have strong presence in the unseen world. Elrond and Galadriel because both possess a ring of power which was forged by sauron indirect teaching and ultumatilately designed to fall under the rule of the One which pulled everyone in the unseen world. Galadriel was born in Valinor and she is beyond her faea alone, and her ring has a veil of illusion that frodo is only able to see through for a fraction of a second. Elrond especially he is descendent of melian, and his immortal blood is more ... active than all the descendents of elros, and though he might be lesser than Galadriel his ring also is one of the three. Gandalf is Olorin and especially the White plus Naria... So yeah. Plus Galadriel was (at least in my fanon) getting wisdom directly from Melian in Doriath at the peak of Melian's Ring so this certainly accounts for something too.

  • @Danamight87
    @Danamight87 3 месяца назад

    You sound like the gentleman who used to do the FEE out of frame videos.

  • @NickNobody161
    @NickNobody161 3 месяца назад

    So, Glorfindel would be a peril to the fellowship because of his light in the unseen world. But what about Gandalf then?

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 3 месяца назад

      Gandalf the Grey and other Istari had their powers diminished so maybe that aura was not visible in the unseen world.
      However, Gandalf the White must have been visible to the Nazgul in the unseen world as a being of great might.

  • @ransomecode
    @ransomecode 3 месяца назад

    Do you know where Glorfindel was during the forging of the Rings of Power?

  • @spofaids
    @spofaids 3 месяца назад

    Dude, I'm so happy that rings of crap ended, hopefully for good. So you can focus on bringing to us real Tolkien lore. Which raises a question. What don't you talk about Ralph Bakshi's LOTR 1978 movie? I would be so interested to hear something about it.

  • @berendwerkman2684
    @berendwerkman2684 3 месяца назад

    Hey i know its a bit offtopic but what do you think of a series or movie about beren and lutien ?

  • @RazorFang18
    @RazorFang18 3 месяца назад

    Gollum had the ring for like 500 years, was he becoming a wraith? How long in possessing a ring does it take to transition?

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 месяца назад

      It depends on the strength and character of the individual and how often they're wearing the ring. iirc Gollum spent long periods in possession of the one ring but not wearing it, especially at first.

  • @cormacmacsuibhne2867
    @cormacmacsuibhne2867 3 месяца назад

    Just realised how strange it would be to serve the Witch King of Angmar when all you can make of him is that he is dressed in Black. No face, no seen hands, just a presence.

    • @beecee2205
      @beecee2205 3 месяца назад +1

      and a presence that scares the hell out of you

  • @UltimateSpider1385
    @UltimateSpider1385 3 месяца назад +3

    "The unseen world is a path to many untold powers, some consider to be unnatural."
    "It is possible to know how to travel to this realm?"
    "Not from a maiar."

  • @emelienevander
    @emelienevander 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for another lovely video!

  • @irishmanatthepub
    @irishmanatthepub 3 месяца назад

    Debbie is the real one

  • @critter5248
    @critter5248 3 месяца назад

    I was there

  • @perhael
    @perhael 3 месяца назад

    I was just thinking today about what would happen to either Bilbo or Frodo if they would have been killed while wearing the ring? Anybody has an answer or is it stated somewhere in the books?

    • @caiobotelho9733
      @caiobotelho9733 3 месяца назад

      Their corpse world have been invisible until someone managed to take the ring off it

  • @syeo501
    @syeo501 3 месяца назад

    What would happen if Sauron had one of the other rings of power? Would each one enhance his strength?

    • @beecee2205
      @beecee2205 3 месяца назад

      He had the Nine and what remained of the seven. They had power over Men and Dwarves. He is neither.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 3 месяца назад

      The purpose of the other Rings of Power was to allow Sauron to dominate their bearers although that didn't work out so well on the Dwarves. I doubt they would have any effect on Sauron himself.

    • @syeo501
      @syeo501 3 месяца назад

      @@istari0 Yea I only wondered if they are making their wearers more powerful if he could apply those to his body or something

  • @tboyer86
    @tboyer86 3 месяца назад

    You know what I've never understood? Why of all the elves is glorfindel the one sent back? Why not Turgon or Fingolfin? Why not Beleg or Mablung? If fighting and killing a Balrog is necessary why not Denethor who killed arguably a more important Balrog than Glorfindel or Gandalf? It kind of seems like Tolkien needed an excuse for Glorfindel showing up in the LOTR. Just saying.

    • @caiobotelho9733
      @caiobotelho9733 3 месяца назад +1

      They choose glorfindel,simple as that,it could have been for any number of reasons about his personal virtues and what not,also killing a balrog was not a requiriment