Watching that hook+wall combo made me feel so nostalgic. The game has so many escapes now and no one coordinates and talks unless they are losing and just scream "skill issue" nonstop.
I remember back on Overwatch 1 where for the longest time, I’d go out of my way to have at least 1 hero with a 100% win rate in Comp each season. Up until Season 19 I was able to accomplish this, but this was when I was just doing placements and nothing else. In any case, it was a fun little challenge... And I can’t even go back to look at my previous stats for those seasons to fondly reminisce on better times, because Blizzard keeps erasing past history. 🙂
Watching it back at 1/4 speed a Winton at 400 hp can be effectively killed by less than 5 members of the enemy team in just around one literal second. Non-hyperbolic, one second of time is the ttk for a tank in this game, where a tanks job is generally to make space and mitigate damage
Here at Blizzard Entertainment, we take balancing tanks super seriously. According to our latest data, Roadhog's win rate was actually much higher than other tanks. With this new information, we think that the rework is no longer needed and has been scrapped in favor of some minor adjustment to Roadhog's healing and health to pull Roadhogs numbers more in line with the other tanks in the roster and increase the synergy against enemy supports. Also, the synergy with an ally Mei is oppressive and there should be consequences when pulling in and blocking a completely helpless enemy Bastion. With these changes, Roadhog will be less oppressive to play against and will allow enemy supports to be able to survive in a 1v5. Take A Breather - Time to reset increased by 5 seconds and now starts when Roadhog takes 400. Timer resets on death and does not start until Roadhog takes 400 damage. When used, it will reset the enemy team's Ana grenade and add an additional cooldown for the entire match (stack up to 10). Hook - Shorted to 15m and will disable teammate Mei wall. Hook on Bastion will cause automatic turret form from OW1 release (now has shield), 50% reduction in damage taken, as well as an increase in fire rate of 75%. (Team notes - Basion is a tank buster. How can he bust any tanks if he is dead?) Overall Health - Reduced to 450 to align with other tank health pools
All hog needs is a reliable right click to be good AND fun. If they just made it do like 40 damage before it bursts or gave an indicator for burst range
For the last season or so I have been saying that Hog has been in the worst state, worse than any other single hero has had at any point. He provides almost no value in any situation. And honestly, this video doesn't contradict this theory, since his values haven't changed at all. Instead what it shows is that the tank value as a whole has dropped so low that now Hogs lack of value over any tank is simply just par for the course. Which realistically is probably a really bad sign for whatever changes are coming to his kit.
100%? Is that it? I have a 223% win rate on Roadhog (12 games played 25 games won and -14 lost). Better luck next time Mr streamer man. Edit: I double checked my numbers from my profile and have adjusted the results.
@@jorsanjones5531 you either get it or you don’t 🤷🏽♂️ the man walks around with a mod box in his pocket and just busts it out to take a breather real quick.
@ 4:27 is exactly why i believe tanks should at least be resistant to headshots. Like, i get that its mainly a skill thing in high MMR, but if a tank can get deleted in 2 seconds then they ain't really a tank, are they?
The fact that landing a hook on any target leading to their immediate death really speaks to the degree of insane damage that's been created. Hog doesn't die if the enemy team doesn't have an Ana is *somewhat* true. But the fact that it takes either a little coordination to set up an elim with Hog, or the simple fact that a displaced enemy will be guaranteed to die, says so much about the state of the game in higher ranks.
It's so funny watching their Reinhardt press so many buttons, being so threatening but accomplishing nothing as is the curse of playing rein this meta.
Hey flats you probably wont see this but, do you think echos ultimate needs a change ever since it got bumped down to 4x ult charge? I was thinking 5x ult charge but dupe builds 15% slower
Hog alpine isn’t that amazing but when you put a support on his shoulder and let him just pop off that’s when I gets broken his damage and hook nerf fixed his original issues I don’t think I rework would do much
Hey, I know why you stopped putting the day's record up because people just ignore it, but would it be possible for you to edit it somehow into the video, so that we know what kind of mentality you guys have during the game? Like if you're at your wits end it'll feel weird if we don't know you're 1 and 7, y'know?
But yeah all tanks are so power crept badly and buffing one nerfs the rest of the tank lineup. In this age if you can’t escape tank it is a healer diff and you know it.
I like how the all the fun heroes who require all the mechanical skill get put in the gutter by the balance team in favor for the boring ass “hold down left/right click until something dies” actual snooze fest💤💤
The balancing team is finally showing some sort of promise. Hopefully this mid season it will get better. Support nerfs will fix almost every issue with the meta rn imo
92% win rate w/ 0 losses is crazy 💀
Blizzard math
@Catalyst09 nope it has to do with time that you played the hero in the game
I guess flats was losing before switching to hog.
If you play the character only part of a game on a loss it’ll count as a partial loss counted by percentage presumably
We love this game
That Hog-Mei combo was so evil
Evil and smart
Mei is just evil. I hate her so very passionately
I love mei gaming
Lol
Watching that hook+wall combo made me feel so nostalgic. The game has so many escapes now and no one coordinates and talks unless they are losing and just scream "skill issue" nonstop.
Clearly Hog doesn’t need a Rework if a single streamer can get a 100% win rate on him. That’s why the Hog Rework was delayed.
He does need a rework. He doesn't really provide anything for his team as every hero should. He's just a tanky dps sponge.
@@INIMEG333does bro know?
@@INIMEG333 And he has always been like that. I am suprised he wasn't changed sooner.
@@INIMEG333he’s getting a rework though…
@@TimelostInTheSauce i know...I'm basically saying he DOES needs this rework. The other guy said he doesn't.
I remember back on Overwatch 1 where for the longest time, I’d go out of my way to have at least 1 hero with a 100% win rate in Comp each season. Up until Season 19 I was able to accomplish this, but this was when I was just doing placements and nothing else. In any case, it was a fun little challenge...
And I can’t even go back to look at my previous stats for those seasons to fondly reminisce on better times, because Blizzard keeps erasing past history. 🙂
They can erase OW stats but they can't erase the allegations.
@@syvulpieSO TRUE!!!!
300 damage in a single frame is spicy
That's widow for you 🙃
Watching it back at 1/4 speed a Winton at 400 hp can be effectively killed by less than 5 members of the enemy team in just around one literal second. Non-hyperbolic, one second of time is the ttk for a tank in this game, where a tanks job is generally to make space and mitigate damage
Here at Blizzard Entertainment, we take balancing tanks super seriously. According to our latest data, Roadhog's win rate was actually much higher than other tanks. With this new information, we think that the rework is no longer needed and has been scrapped in favor of some minor adjustment to Roadhog's healing and health to pull Roadhogs numbers more in line with the other tanks in the roster and increase the synergy against enemy supports. Also, the synergy with an ally Mei is oppressive and there should be consequences when pulling in and blocking a completely helpless enemy Bastion. With these changes, Roadhog will be less oppressive to play against and will allow enemy supports to be able to survive in a 1v5.
Take A Breather - Time to reset increased by 5 seconds and now starts when Roadhog takes 400. Timer resets on death and does not start until Roadhog takes 400 damage. When used, it will reset the enemy team's Ana grenade and add an additional cooldown for the entire match (stack up to 10).
Hook - Shorted to 15m and will disable teammate Mei wall. Hook on Bastion will cause automatic turret form from OW1 release (now has shield), 50% reduction in damage taken, as well as an increase in fire rate of 75%. (Team notes - Basion is a tank buster. How can he bust any tanks if he is dead?)
Overall Health - Reduced to 450 to align with other tank health pools
This is beautiful, I’d say they should make you a dev but I believe that may already be the case, thus the current state of things.
I think you forgot that not only will hook disable your Mei’s wall but also will force your lifeweaver to pull you immediately
Roadhog vs. Moira is essentially like a Phoenix Wright mirror match in Ultimate Marvel 3 in how it's the equivalent of watching babies fighting.
Lmao I'm just thinking of the two Phoenixes tripping around the screen dropping paperwork at each other
That Bastion got a taste of the tank experience
The hook tech dif is huge between Cyx and Flats even though they both are top500
Of course, one is a hog player and the other is flats.
prolly cause cyx has like 6000 hours in hog like its crazy he spends so long on hog
Cyx has autism.
All hog needs is a reliable right click to be good AND fun. If they just made it do like 40 damage before it bursts or gave an indicator for burst range
Loving those hook/wall combos.
Wow your synergy with that mei was so good. 👀
that scream at the Orisa Ult was incredible XD
For the last season or so I have been saying that Hog has been in the worst state, worse than any other single hero has had at any point. He provides almost no value in any situation.
And honestly, this video doesn't contradict this theory, since his values haven't changed at all. Instead what it shows is that the tank value as a whole has dropped so low that now Hogs lack of value over any tank is simply just par for the course.
Which realistically is probably a really bad sign for whatever changes are coming to his kit.
100%? Is that it? I have a 223% win rate on Roadhog (12 games played 25 games won and -14 lost). Better luck next time Mr streamer man.
Edit: I double checked my numbers from my profile and have adjusted the results.
that's 166%
4:37 Curve power punche is insane
Flats and Jay3 carrying OW rn😄I love your positive energy thank you
KarQ had the perfect opportunity to quote mister Terminator himself:
I'm old, not obselete
11:29 that just gave me Vietnam flashbacks
that monkey ult 3 minutes in was sick
19:45 best hog impression
Did anyone notice the second game was against bowie a reinhardt one trick and he switched to doom fist lol
I will miss the old hog he is part of the history of ow1 and 2
As long as hook and breather is still here
The TMNT soundtrack goes hard here😂
In Hog We Trust
I was a hog main in season five, this is refreshing to find hope for hot again
Roadhog seems like a menthol guy.. I need to know what flavor his vape is
Huh lmao
@@jorsanjones5531 you either get it or you don’t 🤷🏽♂️ the man walks around with a mod box in his pocket and just busts it out to take a breather real quick.
no i get it this is so real
I love it when the 12 yearolds talk about their nicotine addictions
@@TanwenPaladinnobody’s 12 or talking about their addictions nt tho
@ 4:27 is exactly why i believe tanks should at least be resistant to headshots. Like, i get that its mainly a skill thing in high MMR, but if a tank can get deleted in 2 seconds then they ain't really a tank, are they?
It was 1 second lol
The fact that landing a hook on any target leading to their immediate death really speaks to the degree of insane damage that's been created. Hog doesn't die if the enemy team doesn't have an Ana is *somewhat* true. But the fact that it takes either a little coordination to set up an elim with Hog, or the simple fact that a displaced enemy will be guaranteed to die, says so much about the state of the game in higher ranks.
Or how painful the hog update might be
i reqlly wonder whay his change will be like. feels like itll be look sombras which wasnt really a rework just a slight change and new ability.
True, but it did drastically change how she plays, she really is a dps now since she cannot simply escape to the other side of the map anymore
@@AlphaNinjaFTW1 they did say they want him to have a way to help his team, which sounds awesome. just have to wait and see.
The Sinatraa Zarya skin holy hes actually rockin it 🥹
Get hooked
Watched cyx video, that 100% winrate is gone 😂
My bro got to gold 5 with tanks and his main is roadhog, honestly hog is really underrated because i think he is the counter of almost every tank
It's so funny watching their Reinhardt press so many buttons, being so threatening but accomplishing nothing as is the curse of playing rein this meta.
flats i just took a 300mg gummy edible
Very cool 👍
Good luck with that
poggers
11:29 ptsd flashbacks
Cyx would be proud Af flats 🤝
whys the winston gameplay so cracked bro
Just watched cyx's new vid man😭
HOOOOOOGGGGG??!!!???
Winton’s damage needs to be buffed
Crazy that he picks hog for the meme, then he goes crazy and wins
Hey flats you probably wont see this but, do you think echos ultimate needs a change ever since it got bumped down to 4x ult charge? I was thinking 5x ult charge but dupe builds 15% slower
My favorite part is when KarQ says its bapping time and starts bapping everyone
Bro you said tank synergy’s bro I couldn’t even imagine a Zarya doom combo ult oml
Season 1 called they want there meta back
This season feels like they replaced the tanks weapons with pea shooters and their health with cardboard
WE call this the FLATERATE! only many can do this for so long. 100% flaterate 😎
4:27
meanwhile dps players say that they can't kill anything and need more dmg.
Until he goes up against 6cyx
This vid went up 2 hours ago and then 50 mins ago Cyx puts out a video where he plays against Flats.
The timing, haha.
Random question from someone who doesn't know, why does Flats like wheeze like that when he laughs? He good?
You’re a tool for upvoting your own comment
Now flats will never get a girl
He’s an Overwatch player, we’re incapable of getting and women.
Were overwatch players we rarely shower let alone talk to girls
He said rodhog isn't meta. But, has he even met-a girl?
@@Phobie_2000Speak for yourself 😂
It took less than 1 full second for roadhog to go from 500 to 0 hp
Hog alpine isn’t that amazing but when you put a support on his shoulder and let him just pop off that’s when I gets broken his damage and hook nerf fixed his original issues I don’t think I rework would do much
You better not run into Cyx if you want to maintain that Hog winrate
LoL, Flats won against Cyx in this video, where Cyx played Militia Hog before switching to Zarya on Blizzard World.
13:18 here?
@@hashadeva2634thats Cyn not Cyx
I need you to trust me on this
I learned from this video that I dont know how to play tank.
Damn and then after he had said it Cyc came in and took that winrate away
its funny because i just watched cyx video against flats lol
wow your great at ow2 :0
Thats why he's the goat
FLATS LIED TO ME!!! I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED CYX'S VIDEO!!! ALL LOVE FLATS
This makes me miss the days when mauga wasn’t a thing
thought i clicked on a cyx video
Dang i didnt know high ranks charge zarya like that and dont focus her too lol.
Hahaha saw this and directly next to it was cyx’s video where you got bullied all game mirroring cyx’s road hog, bad timing I guess… all ❤Flats
This feels like flats' ego video for all the people who called him crazy for putting hog high on the tier list
Flats is right hog goes crazy with no Ana
This vid was recommended after cyx's video hahaha 😂😂😂
4:26... Can anyone at blizzard please tune into streamers promoting the game for a SECOND and watch...
yo ngl imma pick up roadhog
Tank damage is in the negatives sometimes
Hey, I know why you stopped putting the day's record up because people just ignore it, but would it be possible for you to edit it somehow into the video, so that we know what kind of mentality you guys have during the game? Like if you're at your wits end it'll feel weird if we don't know you're 1 and 7, y'know?
W naruto music
We now find out that we need to nerf ash 4:25 ish
the aim on hog, hurts
thats not what cyx's newest video says lol
you got clapped by cyx bro change your 100% on hog
I just saw Cyx hand you an L tho...
Wait i just realized that blizzard world game was against cyn whos a really good hog player lmao. He challenges cyx whenever he gets the chance
As impossible as it seems, I think roadhog is the most balanced tank this season 😳😳
Balanced how exactly?
@@godfather4042 well not “balanced” but just a tank that doesn’t get destroyed almost immediately
What’s the song name when he swaps to Hog?
Sewer Surfin from Turtles in Time for SNES ruclips.net/video/jV7YxfwT4r0/видео.htmlsi=_KkvJCzdn4NVuJeQ
Hog seems okay now, almost OP in the right hands... you know what this means? Incoming nerf for Genji.
Genji is such a 12 year olds wet dream character. He deserves all the nerfs
Rog is still just gonna be good no matter what they change
bro hog is terrible rn, teams can hard counter him so easily, you can have fun experiences but majority of the time a swap is necessary
But with good support and his self heal, he can stay alive longer
Also, if you're with your team, you can hook other support for picks
@@FazeTojiyou are hard stuck bronze.
@@yoosufabdullah113 which is kinda weird saying because he is still bad, but not as bad as he was last season?
After watching cyx for so long its actually jarring watching flats never turn ppl around walls with hook
Bro true! I was just waiting for flats to hit the one shot combo or make a turn hook but nope.
9:50 how do you know that she has grav? im new to overwatch so it would be amazing if somebody told me that !
Ult tracking is a skill gained with experience
Let him cook
3:38
Zarya= let's not have fun
Maybe hog was never bad. Maybe he just was bad without Mei meta
Even flats knows to swap hog because one word
Anti Nade.
But yeah all tanks are so power crept badly and buffing one nerfs the rest of the tank lineup. In this age if you can’t escape tank it is a healer diff and you know it.
Bros playing as himself
how old are you? 27/28?
I like how the all the fun heroes who require all the mechanical skill get put in the gutter by the balance team in favor for the boring ass “hold down left/right click until something dies” actual snooze fest💤💤
The balancing team is finally showing some sort of promise. Hopefully this mid season it will get better. Support nerfs will fix almost every issue with the meta rn imo
More proof Mei is a tank.
Not me having to look twice at the Junk STEADS player-
:) Beep Boop mr flats coming to ruin your fun :)