Hello… Chuck Payne, (Drake’s friend) here. John Riley…great drummer, educator & author of some of the best jazz drumming books out there is who showed me this & walked on a ride cymbal right in front of me. He didn’t even take off his shoes. I’ve been hammering cymbals for around 20 years. John was in Houston for a clinic. The store owner (I worked on several of his cymbals) showed him a cymbal that we couldn’t figure out what it needed. John played it and said I’ll show you. Without asking he put it on the carpet/floor and walked on it. It was exactly what the cymbal needed. We were so scared that he was going to invert the cymbal like an umbrella and just to get us over that fear he inverted it on purpose and told us to relax. You can say it’s bad/foolish… but have you tried it ? I doubt it. Ask John Riley about. I’ve played professionally for 30 yrs and I’d never heard of it either… but think what you want. As for the hammering, I always have a log, anvil or shot bag (leather bag filled with lead shotgun pellets or bird-shot) on the underside of the cymbal while hammering. But, I do lightly tap on the bell with a stick or hammer without support on the other side. I tap the underside of the bell while spinning the cymbal upside down on a cymbal stand. I showed this to Drake bc I didn’t have my tools with me at our drum hang. Very slight changes to the bell will have a drastic effect on your cymbal. Start with broken cymbals or cymbals that you don’t like and learn. My first lesson in hammering was from one of the main cymbal smiths at Sabian. He told me to never touch/hammer the bell… so of course, that’s one of the first things I did & have been doing ever since. All that to say, Drake is an amazing, young jazz drummer that is not afraid to experiment and try new things. And he’s a positive, beautiful & brave soul that loves to share as he goes. If you don’t want to try it, don’t. But don’t be afraid to experiment. All the best & happy drumming…. Chuck
Well dear Chuck, I'm sad to disappoint you, but yes I tried it, of course. Besides that being very thankful for actually taking some lessons with grandmaster Riley... But let me ask you some questions...what is the supposed outcome of the cymbal trampling? Changing the tension, balancing the bell out, changing the pitch? Adding more wash? Or just to do something to change it somehow?? No offense but it doesn't matter how long you hammer cymbals already...just if you know all causes and effects.... There's a lot of voodoo about the cymbals.. Of course stepping into the profile causes something, besides the chance to cause micro cracks...people wanna achieve looseness with that..... Then it's better what grandmaster Hutch is doing...giving some love to them....bending them instead of jumping or stepping on them ,too loosen a little bit of the molecular structure. You can also put them in the sun or in the oven ,as heat resets the tension of cymbals. Besides that nobody attacked your boy drake,he's talented and trying,everything good, so there's no reason to come like this. Just from my experience as a drummer and cymbalmaker I wouldn't do that. If you're unsatisfied better to drop it at a cymbalmaker to modify. All the best (You can check my cymbals on www.alexinocymbals.com)
if you wanna make your cymbal more mellow just put put some tape on the underside of it. This is a great way to weaken a brand new cymbal and end up with cracks around the bell
Yes! Use "gaffer" or "gaff" tape. It is like a weak, fabric duct tape that is easy to tear and leaves no residue. Professional drummers have been using it for years, just for this very reason. Do not permanently damage you cymbals!
you can get wax and grease remover from any auto body supply store. it will remove any wax or protective coating applied at the factory. no need to scratch up your cymbal with sandpaper
I've been getting into cymbal modifications over the past couple of years, and the only way I'd change a cymbal with hammering is to hammer against a steel or iron backing anvil. Cymbalsmithing is a difficult art to master and it's very easy to end up with the opposite result from what you intended, but I have learned a few things. One is about hammering on bells. If you have a cymbal with a bell that is nice and clear and you like the tone, don't mess with it. However, if it's too clear for your taste, hammering it to introduce complexities does work very well. I generally work by hammering in concentric circles. They don't need to be completed before listening (and remember, you can always hammer, but you can never unhammer!) Also, remember that thinner cymbals require less hammering force, and hammer marks of equal strength will compress a larger radius on a thin cymbal than on a thicker one. Keep this in mind and try to visualize these compressed regions as you space out each strike of the hammer. There is also a way to change the profile of a cymbal for better ride response (stick definition), but that is a whole other complicated subject. I'm intrigued by the concept of inverting the cymbal to loosen it up. I mean, I have done this while working on thinner cymbals to make the top easier to hammer, but haven't explored doing this for its own sake.
Cymbals? Some sound sweet to the ear. Others may be rude, but record sweet. How they sound alone is different than how they may sound in a mix. And studio is different than stage. Also, indoors they have volume, outside they tend to sound smaller. Be picky choosing cymbals..😎
Your cymbal looks like it has been in heavy use, so I doubt that your mellowing process helps much. Cymbals tend to become more mellow anyways when used, and old, aged cymbals get more brittle because copper and tin are starting to separate. Hammering fresh cymbals is quite secure way of making cymbal more complex and getting rid of hum sound to an extent. But you need to know what you are doing and NEVER exaggerate with your hammering. Give cymbal time to rest before critical evaluation and do your thing little by little because there's no going back if you do something wrong
I did this with my 18 ich zbt crash/ride, after many times re hammering, i don't know what it supposed to be anymore lol.. After so many attempts, I even sanded it down and it came out somehow better. They do have some good cymbal smiths on youtube to learn from!
Hello… Chuck Payne, (Drake’s friend) here. John Riley…great drummer, educator & author of some of the best jazz drumming books out there is who showed me this & walked on a ride cymbal right in front of me. He didn’t even take off his shoes. I’ve been hammering cymbals for around 20 years. John was in Houston for a clinic. The store owner (I worked on several of his cymbals) showed him a cymbal that we couldn’t figure out what it needed. John played it and said I’ll show you. Without asking he put it on the carpet/floor and walked on it. It was exactly what the cymbal needed. We were so scared that he was going to invert the cymbal like an umbrella and just to get us over that fear he inverted it on purpose and told us to relax. You can say it’s bad/foolish… but have you tried it ? I doubt it. Ask John Riley about. I’ve played professionally for 30 yrs and I’d never heard of it either… but think what you want.
As for the hammering, I always have a log, anvil or shot bag (leather bag filled with lead shotgun pellets or bird-shot) on the underside of the cymbal while hammering. But, I do lightly tap on the bell with a stick or hammer without support on the other side. I tap the underside of the bell while spinning the cymbal upside down on a cymbal stand. I showed this to Drake bc I didn’t have my tools with me at our drum hang. Very slight changes to the bell will have a drastic effect on your cymbal. Start with broken cymbals or cymbals that you don’t like and learn.
My first lesson in hammering was from one of the main cymbal smiths at Sabian. He told me to never touch/hammer the bell… so of course, that’s one of the first things I did & have been doing ever since.
All that to say, Drake is an amazing, young jazz drummer that is not afraid to experiment and try new things.
And he’s a positive, beautiful & brave soul that loves to share as he goes. If you don’t want to try it, don’t. But don’t be afraid to experiment.
All the best & happy drumming…. Chuck
Thanks man!! This is so kind and heartwarming!
Well dear Chuck, I'm sad to disappoint you, but yes I tried it, of course. Besides that being very thankful for actually taking some lessons with grandmaster Riley...
But let me ask you some questions...what is the supposed outcome of the cymbal trampling? Changing the tension, balancing the bell out, changing the pitch? Adding more wash?
Or just to do something to change it somehow??
No offense but it doesn't matter how long you hammer cymbals already...just if you know all causes and effects....
There's a lot of voodoo about the cymbals..
Of course stepping into the profile causes something, besides the chance to cause micro cracks...people wanna achieve looseness with that.....
Then it's better what grandmaster Hutch is doing...giving some love to them....bending them instead of jumping or stepping on them ,too loosen a little bit of the molecular structure.
You can also put them in the sun or in the oven ,as heat resets the tension of cymbals.
Besides that nobody attacked your boy drake,he's talented and trying,everything good, so there's no reason to come like
this. Just from my experience as a drummer and cymbalmaker I wouldn't do that. If you're unsatisfied better to drop it at a cymbalmaker to modify.
All the best
(You can check my cymbals on www.alexinocymbals.com)
if you wanna make your cymbal more mellow just put put some tape on the underside of it. This is a great way to weaken a brand new cymbal and end up with cracks around the bell
Right Right and Right
Yes! Use "gaffer" or "gaff" tape. It is like a weak, fabric duct tape that is easy to tear and leaves no residue. Professional drummers have been using it for years, just for this very reason.
Do not permanently damage you cymbals!
Cymbals are made by heavy hammering, flipping it a few times, even hydraulic hammering. Stepping a bit in the top of it won't make it crack.
@@enkki7569 the hammering at no point stretches the material as much as inverting the cymbal.
Nah, playing your cymbals like assh0Ie cracks them
you can get wax and grease remover from any auto body supply store. it will remove any wax or protective coating applied at the factory. no need to scratch up your cymbal with sandpaper
I've been getting into cymbal modifications over the past couple of years, and the only way I'd change a cymbal with hammering is to hammer against a steel or iron backing anvil. Cymbalsmithing is a difficult art to master and it's very easy to end up with the opposite result from what you intended, but I have learned a few things. One is about hammering on bells. If you have a cymbal with a bell that is nice and clear and you like the tone, don't mess with it. However, if it's too clear for your taste, hammering it to introduce complexities does work very well. I generally work by hammering in concentric circles. They don't need to be completed before listening (and remember, you can always hammer, but you can never unhammer!)
Also, remember that thinner cymbals require less hammering force, and hammer marks of equal strength will compress a larger radius on a thin cymbal than on a thicker one. Keep this in mind and try to visualize these compressed regions as you space out each strike of the hammer. There is also a way to change the profile of a cymbal for better ride response (stick definition), but that is a whole other complicated subject.
I'm intrigued by the concept of inverting the cymbal to loosen it up. I mean, I have done this while working on thinner cymbals to make the top easier to hammer, but haven't explored doing this for its own sake.
brb, gonna go step on my kcon. lol
230lb guy: Hold my beer
Very interesting
This is really interesting and helpful dude! I'm jazz sax player but i occasionally play drums 😅 i will use these tips sooner or later. God Bless
Try this with your sax
Dizzy Gillespie must have tried this with his trumpet.
Good god this hurts
Cymbals? Some sound sweet to the ear. Others may be rude, but record sweet. How they sound alone is different than how they may sound in a mix. And studio is different than stage. Also, indoors they have volume, outside they tend to sound smaller. Be picky choosing cymbals..😎
Hi. Say Hi to Chuck for me
This is awesome! nobody talks about tuning their metals anymore.
No one ever did this!
Anymore? I've been playing for over 60 years and studying the history of drums and everything related longer than that. I have NEVER heard of this!
Spend more time practicing and playing for a truly unrewarding career.
@@batouttahell454 That's about what I did for twenty years, but I can still make noise.
😂😂😂
Your cymbal looks like it has been in heavy use, so I doubt that your mellowing process helps much. Cymbals tend to become more mellow anyways when used, and old, aged cymbals get more brittle because copper and tin are starting to separate.
Hammering fresh cymbals is quite secure way of making cymbal more complex and getting rid of hum sound to an extent. But you need to know what you are doing and NEVER exaggerate with your hammering. Give cymbal time to rest before critical evaluation and do your thing little by little because there's no going back if you do something wrong
WTF
Yeah man.. I hesitate a lot before I upload this video, I know people get angry by this lol
Sorry brother to say, but this is how you mess up a cymbal to be honest..
I did this with my 18 ich zbt crash/ride, after many times re hammering, i don't know what it supposed to be anymore lol.. After so many attempts, I even sanded it down and it came out somehow better. They do have some good cymbal smiths on youtube to learn from!
I learned too late not to buy brand new shiny cymbals
Is this a troll and meme? Omg this video sucks. Hahah