Defend Apple against the DOJ
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- In this special episode of New Ideal Live, Onkar Ghate and Elan Journo discuss the recent announcement of the U.S. Department of Justice’s antitrust case against Apple and analyze the injustice of criminalizing a company for giving customers an experience they want.
Among the topics covered:
● Why the DOJ’s antitrust case against Apple is significant to all American business;
● How Apple is targeted because of its business success, not its failures;
● How antitrust is destructive by design and how it stifled Microsoft;
● Ayn Rand’s analysis of antitrust as the “rule of unreason”;
● Why you should call your legislator if you support businesses like Apple.
Mentioned in this podcast are Onkar Ghate’s essay “Drop the Antitrust Case Against Microsoft” (ari.aynrand.org/issues/govern...) and the New Ideal Live episode “Recent Antitrust Attacks on "Big Tech,” ( • Recent Antitrust Attac... ) Ayn Rand’s lecture “America’s Persecuted Minority: Big Business” (courses.aynrand.org/works/ame...) (also available in essay form in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal) and her essay “Antitrust: The Rule of Unreason,” which can be found in The Voice of Reason: Essays in Objectivist Thought (aynrand.org/novels/the-voice-....
The podcast was recorded on March 22, 2024.
0:00:00 Introduction
0:00:11 American business and the case against Apple
0:06:54 Targeting Apple’s success, not failures
0:18:37 Destructiveness of antitrust
0:24:38 Antitrust as the “rule of unreason”
0:29:40 Call your legislator to support businesses
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APPLE SHRUGGED
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They should
@@user-wo5nb2ld9ucan’t wait for their shitty phones off the market
Provide a good service, people buy your product, where's the monopoly? Plenty of android phones out there...
Right. No one is forcing you to buy Apple.
Where’s the good service 💀💀💀💀
The monopoly is in that Apple is actively making competitor services worse. The rest of the developed world are using apps like WeChat while Apple has moved people into their iMessage walled garden to make communication with non-Apple users worse. Their app store is highly regulated, see their battle with Epic Games. The Vergecast did an excellent breakdown of the suit. If their product was so good they wouldn't need to resort to these anti-consumer tactics to preserve their lead in the market.
What a sad state America has fallen into
Why? Because Apple is successful?
@@user-wo5nb2ld9u No because many Americans hate the successful producers.
Thanks you very much for video and support.
"It's not fair! Other companies should have an equal share of the market!" Sounds like altruism to me.
They don’t care about other companies. They only care that apple has gotten too big and successful. Hatred of the good for being the good.
Why? Because their products are better? If that were true, people would buy the non-Apple products.
@@user-wo5nb2ld9u Exactly. The DOJ is way out of line.
I’ve heard of the pot calling the kettle black, but what about the pot calling the porcelain sink black?
Explain yourself
I think it’s rather obvious, but in terms of securing the cause of human flourishing-Apple is is being accused by the government that Apple is acting against people’s flourishing, when Apple couldn’t be more heroic in the domain of improving in innovative ways, human flourishing. Additionally, the US government consistently operates against optimizing human flourishing (and just plain against human flourishing when it uses anti-trust laws to bash businesses generally). This is why I say Apple basically is “white porcelain”, and is accused of being “black” by a “black pot” of a government.
According to AG Merrick Garland, it is a sin to be profitable in business.
There is a social stygma from not wearing Nike Basketball shoes.
Same with Apple products 💀
It would be valuable to see you guys make an episode on luxury branding. I think that for many people Apple and the iPhone have become luxury brands with the attached social status that it implies. It is, I think important to separate out what is objectively good about an iPhone with the second-handed social acceptance that the owner may be trying to gain from it. And therefore the market position that Apple have achieved may not be totally caused by their products' excellence, but also by a perception in the mind of the buyer.
I could wear a Rolex Sub or I could wear a Casio. The Casio will keep better time. The Rolex may impress some people. They are not people I care to impress.
Form, function, beauty and their perception in the wider culture are very interesting.
Social metaphysics
What is of value to you might not be of any value to anyone..the point is apple has value andn
the govt is after that value. So why people are buying apple etc is irrelevant.
@@aayushkedia4170 My suggestion was for a further exploration of brand value in our very mixed culture. Both Onkar and Elan are obviously fans of Apple, and it takes away from the importance of their philosophical points to be fanboy-ing over the brand.
Apple's market dominance and position is not necessarily all because of objective value, and it is that market dominance that is triggering the anti-trust, so it is relevant.
Apple has value, but the Govt is not after that value. They are opposed to large amounts of value held in one place. They are egalitarian, Altruist power-lusters. I get the point, but I was making a different one.
Comment section gets stranger every day.
This man has no right to stand there and do this.
I love Apple products!
Where is the Iphone made? The male sibling is getting that which he requested. Live by statism; die by statism. A is A. In this case, why should I help someon try to have his cake and eat it, too, or more correctly, keep his cake and eat yours?
Answer: don’t buy Apple.
@@user-wo5nb2ld9uAgreed. But that is not the point. Apple, at least for the Iphone, uises slave labor since a full-on dictatorship, specifically Communist, qualifies as one of Ayn Rand's "slave pens". In so doing, they lose the right to anyone's help, especially Objectivist's, in resisting the depredations of the DOJ of a semi-free nation. For an Objectivist to come to their defense is a breach of integrity through which Helen Keller could pilot the Deat Star with no fear ob bumping either side as well as putting oneself in defiance of the Law of Identity; which is Altruism; i.e. self-sacrifice as it is a guranteed loss, writ large
ONce could also argue that the government of semi-free nations have the right to ban importation of products made with slave labor since such is the result of the intitiation of foruce
I don't want to be in anyone's walled garden. I should be able to use my purchased hardware how I want to.
Then buy the hardware that lets you do that
Then don’t buy Apple.
Apple is indeed a tremendous success. But the larger a company gets, the more it can behave independently in a market, exploiting consumers but also businesses that rely on it. Too much power can be harmful. Economics is important for antitrust considerations so I would advise against analysis without being familiar with antitrust laws.
Could this be retribution because Apple wouldn't install backdoors into their products for the feds?
Possibly
I wonder where most of them are manufactured? Just curious.
Where are they made and why does that matter?
@@johnwayne6646 Tiktok & Offshoring?
@@johnwayne6646 tick tock & offshoring
China, I think. But so what? Are you getting a good value for your money? If not, buy another brand.
@@user-wo5nb2ld9u Country that causes the most pollution?
In the end, antitrust comes down to egalitarianism. They don't want any company to differentiate itself from any other company.
I agree with The Ayn Rand Institute on almost every issue, but I wish they were more consistent in promoting their principles. They are aghast at the DOJ abuse of power in THIS case, with a company they like and admire, yet they remain silent when the DOJ and individual State DA's abuse their power against someone they don't like.
Where is your outrage for the abuse of power being used against Trump. I know... we don't LIKE Trump so we shouldn't defend him when he is unfairly attacked.
Ayn Rand would have likely disliked Trump, but she would have stood with him against this charade of justice our government has waged against him... in OUR name.
Unless and until you take a consistent position, you are simply advocates for a particular person or entity.... not moral leaders.
I disagree, I think the use of power against Trump is valid and it should be consistently applied to most other politicians.
The American experiment failed, at least substantially. Time for some new ideas and a new attempt at reason and individual rights.
Like what? Socialism?
Still waiting for you guys to do a similar video defending Elon Musk and espousing his many virtues as the greatest value producer of our age. But unless I missed it, you haven't done such a video. His struggles against the US government and corrupt competitors (corrupt because they are in bed with the politicians) are a perfect example of what Rand was trying to explain in her books. And yet, only silence from your "institute". Why? Is he too outspoken or controversial for your tastes? If so, so what? The essence of the man is a hard working, forward looking, merit based entrepreneur who shines a light on the socialist/communist cockroaches everywhere. There literally should be multiple and regular videos from you documenting his efforts in business and against the value destroyers, but again ... silence. WTH?!?
These slimy bureaucrats learned economics from a board-game; in their eyes, one rolls a 9 (determinism), lands on a dark blue property called ‘iPhone Street’ (a natural resource one is impotent to resist) & by decree of the game rules, forced to pay rent (‘cos everyone knows that economic power IS political power).
Pass
You wouldn't feel the need to make such a pointless comment unless you thought what the DOJ was doing was good and you just wanted to throw shade at ARI.
This video is either ill-informed, naive or willful lobbying. I'm definitely not a fan of the government, but protecting apple like this is crazy. Especially since apple (like all big companies) only got to this level of success with government support and lobbying. Anyone who believes that apple's success is due to the free market has not understood a thing.
What company hasn’t? There is no other way to do business in the present economy.
This seems to ignore all the creative outpouring of products Apple didn’t get from the government, which is the source of its profit.
@@user-wo5nb2ld9u so stop doing business. This is supposed to be the Ayn Rand Institute. Not the Dagny Taggart Institute. John Galt was the example. Not Dagny.
You are held to actually support your fantastic claim : Apple Succeeded largely because of Govt. Show us how the IPHONE and IPAD, and IPOD and APP store had nothing to do with Apple Cashflows. Cant wait for the details of the Government Cashflows that contributed meaningfully. Please show us how government support was necessary, and not detrimental.
Until you do so, you are merely a man who is envious of the good, and it is you who are unable to actually explain a thing.
I am not aware of any situation where the government protected Apple. How did the government participate in Apple's success? Tell us, specifically how and when that happened. If not, I call BS on YOU and deem you an envious second-hander.
Bro this episode has some brain dead stuff. The invisible hand theory is bs. Apple is popular because of the trend cult mentality of Apple users and social pressures.
The same reason why Starbucks is popular.