@ Just like a character shouldn't have kazuya's devil mode, leroy's cane, bryan's taunt, Jun's heals, Heihachi's install, etc etc? Just because a character has a unique aspect to their kit, it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. It's really underwhelming and can't be used for cheese, so there's no reason to hate it.
Lol why on earth would they buff it.. It already does a lot of damage. They just needed it to be "more of an option" rather "just spam f1+2 and that's it's. Now the other moves are nerfed people will consider it more.
@@c_hasting0341Yeah he does his heat smash doesn't need to track but then again no heat smash should track but I'm pretty sure he has the most damaging heat smash so his DEFINITELY doesn't need to track
@@petalsxox What are you expecting from S2? In my mind the best case scenario for people in S2 is gonna be like "Woah my character got a new move" the game isn't gonna fundamentally change, Yoshi will still be doing BS, even if Nina gets nerfed, if she maintains her character identity she'll still be extremely annoying to play against. I still like the game enough today, but I can't imagine how someone who hates the game will change their mind with S2.
@@harpot678Tekken 7 was also unbalanced in season 1 where chars like Akuma, Drag, Feng was wrecking everyone then S2 balanced alot of things so it cd happen for T8 honestly i dont want buffs for any char just nerfs for the strongest chars right now and we have a great game
Yoshi has been doing BS since Tekken 1, for 30 years. That's never going to change, it's his character. He still hasn't performed well in any tournaments though so that is telling.
@@redshankyman4181 Yoshi hasn't won huge tournaments but he's had his moments even being a counterpick against the best/one of the best Dragunov players
Clive's prominence was a better version of yoshi's f1+2. Long range, unsteppable, wall splatting, heat engager that launches on hit. Now Yoshi's is better again since it still hits grounded for some reason.
Meanwhile Bryan still has QCF1+2 - Now arguably the best long range, safe, tracking heat engager with full combo on heat dash. The input helps bryan extend the range of the move, and it's incredibly fast.
with the Zan gauge i feel like they went too hard on the 'sacrifice damage now for a big hit later'. The Odin sword moves already do less damage why do they also give all grey health??? I feel like one or the other would be fine. Lets say PHX3,1+2 does a few points (like 2) less damage than now, but its all permanent or gives less grey health than PHX3,2. Then its interesting. Do you want more damage now or Zan stacks with less damage?
I’m an hardcore Clive player now but I agree with this nerf . His back 1+2 Titan is a bit too strong but other than that he’s fine because his in game is weaker . Yeah this is fair
They should have let him keep prominence he gets smoked up close,alot of unsafe things,all launches punishable,he's not op once u break him down an be beat bad
@ I agree now that I’ve been playing it since . He’s Serioulsy at a disadvantage to players like Law , Leroy and Drag on the inside . He should’ve kept that definitely but he’s a mid range monster so that’s where he shines but yeah I agree he should’ve kept that as is
What do you expect bro the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few the cry babies won the fight therefore he got nerfed. As someone who plays Clive as well these nerfs are all he needs tbh now he's gonna end up being B - A tier
now watch all the clive haters continue to say he's broken. Its just mimicking the noctis hate clearly wasn't the strongest in the game and alot of his strong moves were nerfed yet still was the character everyone complained about
IMO they should have just made prominence totally linear, I don’t like when they stuff make stuff unsafe unless it totally needs to be. Kazuya’s devil fist is a pretty similar move if we’re being honest. A 3.3 range mid with pushback that has some tracking
Im so done with all these new characters getting easy mode parries that just parry everything. Leeroy, heihachi, clive. Or autoparries baked into flowcharts. Its all so fucking cheap.
This is the plus side of characters always being nerfed according to how pros play them. I regularly play against an Alisa who was already God tier at avoiding Prominence before the nerf due to her busted movement. As a result I never experienced the "insane tracking" of this move, as I got punished for it every time anyway. I'm not sad to see it nerfed at all 😂
I think the nerfs are too much, clive has a big problem dealing with pressure. So they got rid of his tools to keep pressure off him. He's gonna be dawg shit now.
What's with the porn stache? Anyway f+1+2 being unpunishable is 100% a "we want sore winner money" decision and was entirely intentional. There was never any long-term plan to keep that move anything below -10 and to give it such properties then claim that "oops, I guess we overtuned this move and now it's being abused," is totally dishonest. This is a game-changing nerf and designed to weed out people who don't actually want to stick with the character so that anyone continuing onwards with Clive at this point is doing so because they actually care about using him. And I'm someone who actually think Clive's kit isn't a complete shitshow (he has elements that are fair and do deserve more spotlight if not for OP bits and pieces that simply need to be shaved down to give them a chance to).
Patch 1.11
• TMM: moustache added.
Heihachi inspired tache buff
@@PunpunRen lol
@@beigemasternah that's a nerf
😂😂😂
Bad balance decision
That mustache really caught me off guard 😂
I turned on his stream, saw it and said, nah I'm not feeling up to this today and turned it off.
TheMustacheMan SWE
It really suits him, ngl. He just should trim it well it would look like arthur from peaky blinders.
i Hola amigos, Mainmano SWEnandez here !
@@mr.almezeini647 no it doesn't, it's best to leave that mus off , being the cleanmanswe here
Whats up guys mustachemanswee here, now that clive is nerfed i have become italian and am maining claudio
"Spaghetti, pizza, mamma mia!"
Osserva
Someone typed "Have you seen the patch notes MainMan" as he literally is reading over it.
Twitch chat is insane lol.
Because it has delay?
@@Zagryzaecdude you’re proving his point lol
@@Zagryzaec bruh
@@ayovenom9906 I'm not arguing. I don't know.
TMM is an Italian Kazuya right now
Hahahaha fr
TMM vs Daniel Mado when??
We're feeling french today aren't we
Austrian maybe
TMM has finally hit puberty
OH MY GOD ITS FREDDY MERCURY
Oh, itsaa Mainman, famous italian Tekken streamer.
TheMainManITA
It’s a me main man wahoo!
1:38 plz Bandai I’m not even Jin main but how does the story mode rage art look 10x better then his actual rage art !!!!
I actually agree
He actually became Italian. That one Claudio video made it happen 💀
Give it a couple of weeks and your Inigo Montoya cosplay will be perfect.
Mad respect for princess bride reference
They knew damn well Clive's 1+2 would be a problem it's literally azucena's 1+2 on roids
0:00 mustache jumpscare
MustacheManSWE
Patch notes should include The Mustache. Plus this is a spoiler, next guest character will be OmniMan and, damn, MainManeSwe is ready.
It's like they were watching Dale play Clive and nerfed everything they hated seeing about his playstyle.
Which is all of it.
TMM has that Dominik Mysterio moustache. TMM is about to do some heel turn this year.
Bro really glossed over the fact that we have infinite rematch in quick match now.
TMM never plays quick match so he’s probably not gonna care about it tbh
quick match is kinda pointless. just play ranked. most people who play quick match do it because they are scared of losing their rank.
WAIT WHAT THAT'S AWESOME
@@CosmicVoid420 never heard of playing for fun?
@@CosmicVoid420 well now it isn't
They nerfed him to the ground but kept king and law super safe 😂
tbh really sad that there's no zantetsuken buffs. I feel like they should make it easier to build meter, even if just by a bit.
If they made zues sword attack some permenant damage instead full recoverable damge dealt, i think people will use them more
that thing doesnt need any buffs. a character should even have that thing to begin with.
@ Just like a character shouldn't have kazuya's devil mode, leroy's cane, bryan's taunt, Jun's heals, Heihachi's install, etc etc? Just because a character has a unique aspect to their kit, it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. It's really underwhelming and can't be used for cheese, so there's no reason to hate it.
@ im not hating on it. but it does way too much damage and he builds meter pretty fast. so he doesnt need buffs on that.
Lol why on earth would they buff it.. It already does a lot of damage. They just needed it to be "more of an option" rather "just spam f1+2 and that's it's. Now the other moves are nerfed people will consider it more.
no king nerfs annoys me as hell, I stopped playing just to avoid getting stressed with that dude
What needs to be nerfed about him?
King does not need nerfs lmao, you need to learn grab breaks
Pure skill issue king is nothing compared to the braindead top 5
@@c_hasting0341Yeah he does his heat smash doesn't need to track but then again no heat smash should track but I'm pretty sure he has the most damaging heat smash so his DEFINITELY doesn't need to track
@@UchihaFeitan3 Only thing i can think of is his 13f df21. way too easy to hit confirm launch
He tried to play it off like a bald guy walking into work on a tuesday morning wearing a toupee
Dadmainswe talks to us about the new patch.
Maindadswe?
Emergency patch for clive but the top tiers are still terrorizing the game... imma just wait for season 2, also nice moustache xb
ya i sadly haven’t enjoyed the game for a while especially if i play for a while. i’m really hoping s2 will change that
@@petalsxox What are you expecting from S2? In my mind the best case scenario for people in S2 is gonna be like "Woah my character got a new move" the game isn't gonna fundamentally change, Yoshi will still be doing BS, even if Nina gets nerfed, if she maintains her character identity she'll still be extremely annoying to play against. I still like the game enough today, but I can't imagine how someone who hates the game will change their mind with S2.
@@harpot678Tekken 7 was also unbalanced in season 1 where chars like Akuma, Drag, Feng was wrecking everyone then S2 balanced alot of things so it cd happen for T8 honestly i dont want buffs for any char just nerfs for the strongest chars right now and we have a great game
Yoshi has been doing BS since Tekken 1, for 30 years. That's never going to change, it's his character. He still hasn't performed well in any tournaments though so that is telling.
@@redshankyman4181 Yoshi hasn't won huge tournaments but he's had his moments even being a counterpick against the best/one of the best Dragunov players
Clive's prominence was a better version of yoshi's f1+2. Long range, unsteppable, wall splatting, heat engager that launches on hit. Now Yoshi's is better again since it still hits grounded for some reason.
Meanwhile Bryan still has QCF1+2 - Now arguably the best long range, safe, tracking heat engager with full combo on heat dash. The input helps bryan extend the range of the move, and it's incredibly fast.
I’m not a fan of just over nerfing Clive. Tons of characters have safe approach tools. They should have gutted the tracked and left it at -9
Mainman 1st patch 2025 moustache added🗿
TMM: Moustache added caught me off guard🤣
The patch on his upper lip left me -12 on block
I wish they where so fast with gutting Jin, Yoshi and Nina like they where with Clive
with the Zan gauge i feel like they went too hard on the 'sacrifice damage now for a big hit later'. The Odin sword moves already do less damage why do they also give all grey health??? I feel like one or the other would be fine. Lets say PHX3,1+2 does a few points (like 2) less damage than now, but its all permanent or gives less grey health than PHX3,2. Then its interesting.
Do you want more damage now or Zan stacks with less damage?
All I have to say is thank Fing god they nerfed Clive. That was an obnoxious brainless spam move that was SAFE and could not be punished ….
I was not ready for MainStacheSWE, this update is wild
Jumpscare : Prominence unsafe now
Super Jumpscare : Swedish mafioso.
They need to nerf that damn FLASHIMITSU! I swear that move is like a Get outta Jail free card with him
Wooow did you edite your Mustache in tekken customiztion?
Why do characters have super armor heat engangers when R1 is literally supposed to be that tool??
I’m an hardcore Clive player now but I agree with this nerf . His back 1+2 Titan is a bit too strong but other than that he’s fine because his in game is weaker . Yeah this is fair
They should have let him keep prominence he gets smoked up close,alot of unsafe things,all launches punishable,he's not op once u break him down an be beat bad
@ I agree now that I’ve been playing it since . He’s Serioulsy at a disadvantage to players like Law , Leroy and Drag on the inside . He should’ve kept that definitely but he’s a mid range monster so that’s where he shines but yeah I agree he should’ve kept that as is
What do you expect bro the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few the cry babies won the fight therefore he got nerfed. As someone who plays Clive as well these nerfs are all he needs tbh now he's gonna end up being B - A tier
@@brycenmarion146 Yeah if he gets nerfed again you can fccking forget playing Clive at high level , excuse me French .
@@EastendofLondon2 I mean you can get better maybe I can at least get Tekken Emperor with him or something
Mustache doesn't need buffs or nerfs- it's perfectly balanced
Omg i thought it was just my inputs that hei cant hell sweep sometimes in warrior mode, damn.
Is TMM’s mustache going to be added to the customs menu?
Posting youtube clips while streaming is another level
That mustache is diabolical my boy
now watch all the clive haters continue to say he's broken. Its just mimicking the noctis hate clearly wasn't the strongest in the game and alot of his strong moves were nerfed yet still was the character everyone complained about
IMO they should have just made prominence totally linear, I don’t like when they stuff make stuff unsafe unless it totally needs to be.
Kazuya’s devil fist is a pretty similar move if we’re being honest. A 3.3 range mid with pushback that has some tracking
Bruh, those mustache
Im so done with all these new characters getting easy mode parries that just parry everything. Leeroy, heihachi, clive. Or autoparries baked into flowcharts. Its all so fucking cheap.
Bro is going through the mustache dad arc now 😭
Ltg about to be pissed when he wakes up
The moustache looks amazing mainman, definitely keep it!
Hey mainman ! Did you watch fightingm video about kazuya??
guys just wait for the beard to get added in, greatest father day update ever
TMM reminds me of my friend, Peter File.
This is the plus side of characters always being nerfed according to how pros play them.
I regularly play against an Alisa who was already God tier at avoiding Prominence before the nerf due to her busted movement. As a result I never experienced the "insane tracking" of this move, as I got punished for it every time anyway. I'm not sad to see it nerfed at all 😂
ItalianManSwe with the wild intros as always.
that heihachi mustache intro
His mustache arc begins now
Of course he ends the Clive nerf video with Jin slander LOL
Now first thing to do... kazuya new customization in main menu with mustashe.
TMM looks like a different person with that mustache 😂😂
I think the nerfs are too much, clive has a big problem dealing with pressure. So they got rid of his tools to keep pressure off him. He's gonna be dawg shit now.
What's with the porn stache?
Anyway f+1+2 being unpunishable is 100% a "we want sore winner money" decision and was entirely intentional. There was never any long-term plan to keep that move anything below -10 and to give it such properties then claim that "oops, I guess we overtuned this move and now it's being abused," is totally dishonest.
This is a game-changing nerf and designed to weed out people who don't actually want to stick with the character so that anyone continuing onwards with Clive at this point is doing so because they actually care about using him. And I'm someone who actually think Clive's kit isn't a complete shitshow (he has elements that are fair and do deserve more spotlight if not for OP bits and pieces that simply need to be shaved down to give them a chance to).
What'w with the Syndicate or Cartel stache TMM?😂
how tf is it a “cartel stache” it’s deadass just a mustache?
Yo is that young Heihachi on the top right?
Bro i am also part of mustache gang but i thought you aged 10 years when I saw you here haha
clive catching bullets to protect yoshimitsu, ya hate to see it
Good luck finding a not cringe comment acting like they’ve never seen a mustache before
My man lmao, I was thinking the same thing. Dudes never seen facial hair and think they can get top comment with their lame ass comments
@ TMM fans unfortunately run on the blue pilled side for maturity
I hope some of the diehard fanboys won't go after you guys.
@@Ymez777 what would that even accomplish lol I can’t be doxxed
Who would doxx for a mustache comment
Clive mains were really asking for buffs 🤯
that moustache looking hella spicy
Mainman schulz isn't real he can't hurt you
What's up guys MainStacheSWE here hope you're doing awesome as always
Wait... He looks like Tom ASMR now. The guy who say "Rilax!" all the time?
-12 on the most annoying f1+2 in the game?
Heihachi's eating GOOD
Uncanny intro
Mustache patch 1.01 is kinda looking clean ngl
he is rocking the p3d0 stasche. he would look like the giga chad guy if he was rocking the full beard and sideburns.
Wow is that Brad Pitt
Heihachi main right now 👨🏼
8:03 why did you do that with your hand? 💅🏾
The anti-marketing department patch is there, guys.
Bonjourno, IngloriousManSWE here ready to burn down the imperial Clive Rosfield
It’s a me,Mario! Wahooo! Yippie!
اخيرا شفنا شكله بالشارب😂😂
bro want to see you paul against Glaciating or Hexmark
Dont the mustache haters deter you, it takes some time before it looks semi decent. But you gotta work on the sides.
Clive got nerfed to top 9 to top 10
Imma make a kazuya custom “the TMM”
Finally rematchability.
I just started the game in 1.11 and Clive's face seems angrier. Does anyone know why?
Did devil jin buff or Jin nerf?
As an Alisa player who doesn't even use chainsaw, I don't take offense to that, I know myself too well lmao 🤣🤣🤣
His prominence
Tekken 8 made tmn grow out a mustache lmao
The main mustache😂🎉
Themainmustache?!!!!
ElHombrePrincipalMX
Oh my god why did Harada nerf TMM with thise mustache
TheMainMustacheSWE
It's the first time i see one of you. :D
so were just going to leave jin/nina/yoshi as is i see