As an arena player, the 11-1 game warmed my heart. Trump's insanely strong draft getting curbstomped by a Mage that discovers 24 cards in a game is exactly what has made me quit Arena and switch to battlegrounds for a while.
I played like 4-5 mages and hunter respectively after the new set. I wasn't offered to draft a single wildseed cards while my hunter opponents often drop the on curve wildseed cards on turn 2 or 3. And I can't even have like 4 good mage discover cards in one draft. I was like, how can they have such good decks LOL.
I feel like in the first game here he should have just gone for the Bwonsamdi. If it was the pick, awesome, that helps him a lot. If it isn't the pick is he really so much further behind missing out on a 5 mana 4/5?
His logic was really weird, the middle one was by far the best, and the opponent definetly chose not to pick it and instead chose the 7 mana 7/7 for the raw stats and minor plus. But according to trump, because bwomsamdi can draw you some 1 mana minions, the opponent couldn't have picked it, cos it might help the opponent. Bwomsamdi is basically as useless as malchezar, bar the higher stats.
I can tell you that after 1+ hour of arena games while playing a controlly deck Weird things start to happen to your brain This is why I always try to pick aggressive cards for arena XD
@@Yassss1001 Dunno why Trump didn't Deathwing the empty board. There'd be no discard. Then he healed his own moonfang when he could have let the opponent finish it off instead, leaving the opponent with their fireblast to hit his face with and not get fatigued by circus.
on any other day, trump nails that bwom pick. I can hear him in my head right now as he goes for the prince "if they go for the bad card, let them have it, it's a bad card"
He generally cuts the opponents not acting, I think. His videos, as his stream quickly reveals, obfuscate just how long his opponents tend to take. It's very, very appreciated
That 11-1 mage made my arena memories flashed back that whenever i had played a strong card they would had a stronger card to counter. Totally despair!
This comment to a 2-month old video will not be read, but the ideas have been bubbling in my mind. I will write it anyways. 54:15 This gamer clearly adores the Murloc Holmes and "Suspicious x" cards, but I don't think he has the correct approach to the 'discover and guess the choice' mechanic of the "Suspicious" cards. The "discover and guess the choice" mechanic has two phases: Phase 1) discovering a card, and Phase 2) guessing the card your opponent chose. When this gamer is playing a card and is doing part 1 of the mechanic, he usually tries to find a balance between choosing a card that would be good for him and not good for his opponent. He also thinks about which card is less likely the opponent would choose, denying him a card. This seems fine to me, as long as you're not always picking the worst card in an attempt to optimize for the opponent losing in part 2. When this gamer's opponent plays a "Suspicious" card and he's doing phase 2 of the mechanic, this gamer attempts to reason what the opponent would pick based on which card would be best in the current state of the game. This is where I think his approach is wrong. I think this mechanic has a built-in trap. Most people who see it will assume that the goal is to make the guess that's most likely to be correct and add a card to your hand. They optimize around getting a card. The problem is that the simple act of guessing correctly and getting a card doesn't have any value or effect (there are rare situations where hand size +1 might have value). The value and effect are entirely in what the card you get can actually do. The choice is always a guess and the outcome is random. Thinking about it this way, you realize that it's actually more important to try to gamble for a useful card than to attempt to reason the "correct" guess of what the opponent picked. There was a game in Part 1 where the gamer was far behind and the opponent played a Suspicious card. One of the choices was a Broodmother Onyxia, but the gamer dismissed it because it was obviously good for him, and the opponent would never pick it. Maybe it's unlikely, but you can't know for sure. From the gamer's perspective in phase 2, it's a random chance and none of the choices are ever 100% or 0%. Attempting to reason what the opponent chose can only take you so far. The other two choices didn't do much to help him if he guessed correctly and had one of them added to his hand. I think the correct play was to go for the card that would help him win the game, the Onyxia. It's counter-intuitive to _not_ prioritize "winning" the mechanic in its phases: 1) your opponent guesses the wrong card, or 2) you guess the correct card. But remember the goal is to win the match. There are no bonus points for all the correct guesses you made that added potentially useless card to your hand. Long post, and much better than RUclips deserves. But there it is. Maybe it will even be publicly visible on the page, if I'm lucky!
Err.... no? If trump trades correctly he kills the 3/3 and the 3/2, leaving the opponent with a 3/1 and a 2/4 and Trump with a 4/4 and a 2/1. He also heals himself from 5 to 7. Next turn the opponent has 5 damage on board which (including the 1 fatigue) would leave trump at 1 hp if they go face. The opponent is also at 8 hp taking 7 fatigue next turn so the only way he survives the next turn is by double-trading into Trump's 4/4 and healing his face, leaving himself with nothing and Trump with a 2/1. Trump takes 1 fatigue damage (now at 6hp), heals himself to 8 and goes face with the 2/1 (opponent is at 8 hp). The opponent takes 7 fatigue damage (now at 1hp), heals and passes. Trump takes 2 fatigue damage and heals it back up (still at 8 hp) and wins when the opponent takes 8 fatigue damage. So even if Trump's last card had been completely unplayable (for example: card draw), Trump would still win in this situation.
@@randomstrategy7679 but he didn’t trade like that? He left 6 damage on board and if Trump didn’t have the 1/1 taunt on board then the opponent goes double to face and Trump dies to 1 fatigue damage. He just nonchalantly played the reborn minion and says “Oh I win anyways.” And left 3/1 and 3/3 on board.
@@XWorldXWideX If Trump didn't have a taunt, he wouldn't have been nonchalent and would have taken care to trade correctly so as to not die. In the game he is so nonchalent BECAUSE his last card gives him a taunt.
The opponent in the first game should have won, but he thew away his advantage by not adapting his play. H played according to a very simple script for almost all of the match: spend all mana every turn, clear the opponent's board every turn. If he had attacked Zhuge Liang even just a few times, rather than mindlessly clearing the board when it wasn't necessary, he'd have won the game. Only in the last few turns did this guy start panicking and change his strategy to not sink 5 damage into every 2-health minion. His loss was deserved because of the rigid, single-minded way he played the match.
45:14 the game losing misplay: healing the 5/3 before triggering the secret which therefore gives the opponent a 5/5 instead of a 5/3, which later (after a few turns) ended up as a 6/1 which was threatening enough to force out the deathwing early.
@@markma4954 Plus it was a drafted secret, the only secret worth possibly drafting is generally Flame Ward. That mage prob got some abysmal picks while drafting and went with Visage
I feek like that mage almost generated as many cards as they started with.
ikr? it's ridiculous, how do you play around something like that
@@VileStail Buy more runestones 😎
Skill issue
Lol, that final boss mage deck was just drafting their deck midgame lmao
Trump not comprehending at all what Psychopomp does was wild - what did this deck to his brain??
Holy shit that mage generated so much stuff it felt like constructed
Holy card generation! that 11-1 opponent had an absolute clown fiesta deck
So far so good, can't wait for part 3
As an arena player, the 11-1 game warmed my heart. Trump's insanely strong draft getting curbstomped by a Mage that discovers 24 cards in a game is exactly what has made me quit Arena and switch to battlegrounds for a while.
Absolutely this
discover is a braindead mechanic, that shit should never be in a game that dares to call itself competetive.
At one point you start wondering why you put yourself through this garbage, i just quit and have never felt better.
Trump also dicovered lots of cards...
I played like 4-5 mages and hunter respectively after the new set. I wasn't offered to draft a single wildseed cards while my hunter opponents often drop the on curve wildseed cards on turn 2 or 3. And I can't even have like 4 good mage discover cards in one draft. I was like, how can they have such good decks LOL.
I feel like in the first game here he should have just gone for the Bwonsamdi. If it was the pick, awesome, that helps him a lot. If it isn't the pick is he really so much further behind missing out on a 5 mana 4/5?
Too caught up in the mind games to make the good play. It's like with Guess the Weight. Just pick the option you want.
His logic was really weird, the middle one was by far the best, and the opponent definetly chose not to pick it and instead chose the 7 mana 7/7 for the raw stats and minor plus.
But according to trump, because bwomsamdi can draw you some 1 mana minions, the opponent couldn't have picked it, cos it might help the opponent. Bwomsamdi is basically as useless as malchezar, bar the higher stats.
I can tell you that after 1+ hour of arena games while playing a controlly deck
Weird things start to happen to your brain
This is why I always try to pick aggressive cards for arena XD
That last puzzle box was nasty, who would´ve thought that mage can turn around the game with just 1 spell?
Emmm ....everyone? I guess.
That card is incredibly strong at arena
@@warkopel2423 sarcasm
@@warkopel2423 it’s also bullshit is what it is
@@Yassss1001 Dunno why Trump didn't Deathwing the empty board. There'd be no discard.
Then he healed his own moonfang when he could have let the opponent finish it off instead, leaving the opponent with their fireblast to hit his face with and not get fatigued by circus.
Draconic studies actually insane arena card
Actually insane how many times he randomly generated it too
And Dragon Roar for warrior
Yeah, lackeys too mainly because of draconic lackey. You’re almost guaranteed to get an insane card with that ratio in the pool
on any other day, trump nails that bwom pick. I can hear him in my head right now as he goes for the prince "if they go for the bad card, let them have it, it's a bad card"
Must have been having a hell of the day, he got so confused as to why psychopomp gave the rezzed minion reborn lol
4 hour run reduced to 2.5 hours. Jens must've cut out a lot of thinking Kappa
He generally cuts the opponents not acting, I think. His videos, as his stream quickly reveals, obfuscate just how long his opponents tend to take. It's very, very appreciated
Last two matches made me wanna pull my hairout. What a clown fiesta!
This arena was something else. Amazing games
That 11-1 mage made my arena memories flashed back that whenever i had played a strong card they would had a stronger card to counter. Totally despair!
Amazing content Trump and Jens ^^
Are they married?
@@RazoRaptor93 No, Jens is his cat
Classic mage rng. So fun to play against in any format. Almost as fun as playing against big priest and deathrattle priest.
the 11-1 mage is just so funny to me
My God... the ONE-ONE SCARAB!
I haven’t watched in a while since I stopped playing. I forgot how much I missed these
That priest vs priest was awesome!
Yo trump, when’s the cup head series finishing? It’s been literal years lol
Trump: Final boss!
Video: 40 min left
Gotta love Trump
Help-help.. that made me laugh lol
This comment to a 2-month old video will not be read, but the ideas have been bubbling in my mind. I will write it anyways.
54:15 This gamer clearly adores the Murloc Holmes and "Suspicious x" cards, but I don't think he has the correct approach to the 'discover and guess the choice' mechanic of the "Suspicious" cards.
The "discover and guess the choice" mechanic has two phases: Phase 1) discovering a card, and Phase 2) guessing the card your opponent chose.
When this gamer is playing a card and is doing part 1 of the mechanic, he usually tries to find a balance between choosing a card that would be good for him and not good for his opponent. He also thinks about which card is less likely the opponent would choose, denying him a card. This seems fine to me, as long as you're not always picking the worst card in an attempt to optimize for the opponent losing in part 2.
When this gamer's opponent plays a "Suspicious" card and he's doing phase 2 of the mechanic, this gamer attempts to reason what the opponent would pick based on which card would be best in the current state of the game. This is where I think his approach is wrong.
I think this mechanic has a built-in trap. Most people who see it will assume that the goal is to make the guess that's most likely to be correct and add a card to your hand. They optimize around getting a card.
The problem is that the simple act of guessing correctly and getting a card doesn't have any value or effect (there are rare situations where hand size +1 might have value). The value and effect are entirely in what the card you get can actually do.
The choice is always a guess and the outcome is random. Thinking about it this way, you realize that it's actually more important to try to gamble for a useful card than to attempt to reason the "correct" guess of what the opponent picked.
There was a game in Part 1 where the gamer was far behind and the opponent played a Suspicious card. One of the choices was a Broodmother Onyxia, but the gamer dismissed it because it was obviously good for him, and the opponent would never pick it. Maybe it's unlikely, but you can't know for sure. From the gamer's perspective in phase 2, it's a random chance and none of the choices are ever 100% or 0%. Attempting to reason what the opponent chose can only take you so far.
The other two choices didn't do much to help him if he guessed correctly and had one of them added to his hand. I think the correct play was to go for the card that would help him win the game, the Onyxia.
It's counter-intuitive to _not_ prioritize "winning" the mechanic in its phases: 1) your opponent guesses the wrong card, or 2) you guess the correct card. But remember the goal is to win the match. There are no bonus points for all the correct guesses you made that added potentially useless card to your hand.
Long post, and much better than RUclips deserves. But there it is. Maybe it will even be publicly visible on the page, if I'm lucky!
that ending was crazy
That Ending Lmao
Trump wouldve won that last game if it wasnt for that bad rng secret
That last game was especially awesome!
lmao the despair pick lmao
Not going to lie... I thought that priest in the beginning had you lol
28:50 you didnt pick Griftah!! Fuming and tamping!!
Watching you play is beautiful
Appreciated.
Usher is such a bonkers card.
This was a strong arena draft
Another fantastically odd ending lol
The maaaaaadman
769k subs...
Nice
Does someone sleep with trump, or is it just me? He's perfect for beginning afternoon naps
what is the name of the plugin that trump uses to rate the arena pick?
55:30 Huh. That's an interesting interaction tbh.
Wonder if it's intended or not.
Pretty sure it's intended. Just an interesting "pre-counterplay".
I think Trump over thinks those “pick one of three” cards…
I don’t think Trump realizes that he would have lost if his last card wasn’t exactly the one that gave him a 1/1 taunt. 15:21
Err.... no? If trump trades correctly he kills the 3/3 and the 3/2, leaving the opponent with a 3/1 and a 2/4 and Trump with a 4/4 and a 2/1. He also heals himself from 5 to 7. Next turn the opponent has 5 damage on board which (including the 1 fatigue) would leave trump at 1 hp if they go face. The opponent is also at 8 hp taking 7 fatigue next turn so the only way he survives the next turn is by double-trading into Trump's 4/4 and healing his face, leaving himself with nothing and Trump with a 2/1. Trump takes 1 fatigue damage (now at 6hp), heals himself to 8 and goes face with the 2/1 (opponent is at 8 hp). The opponent takes 7 fatigue damage (now at 1hp), heals and passes. Trump takes 2 fatigue damage and heals it back up (still at 8 hp) and wins when the opponent takes 8 fatigue damage.
So even if Trump's last card had been completely unplayable (for example: card draw), Trump would still win in this situation.
@@randomstrategy7679 but he didn’t trade like that? He left 6 damage on board and if Trump didn’t have the 1/1 taunt on board then the opponent goes double to face and Trump dies to 1 fatigue damage. He just nonchalantly played the reborn minion and says “Oh I win anyways.” And left 3/1 and 3/3 on board.
@@XWorldXWideX If Trump didn't have a taunt, he wouldn't have been nonchalent and would have taken care to trade correctly so as to not die. In the game he is so nonchalent BECAUSE his last card gives him a taunt.
@@randomstrategy7679 that’s fair! Maybe I underestimated his ability and assumed he didn’t realize
Mage deck made me vomit
First match.. priest beaten bis his own deck ...
The opponent in the first game should have won, but he thew away his advantage by not adapting his play. H played according to a very simple script for almost all of the match: spend all mana every turn, clear the opponent's board every turn.
If he had attacked Zhuge Liang even just a few times, rather than mindlessly clearing the board when it wasn't necessary, he'd have won the game. Only in the last few turns did this guy start panicking and change his strategy to not sink 5 damage into every 2-health minion. His loss was deserved because of the rigid, single-minded way he played the match.
Hi Trump:)
Masakr😶
You absolutely can tell which usher minion they chose. They went for Alabaster in game 2
45:14 the game losing misplay: healing the 5/3 before triggering the secret which therefore gives the opponent a 5/5 instead of a 5/3, which later (after a few turns) ended up as a 6/1 which was threatening enough to force out the deathwing early.
Misplay only in hindsight since he thought it was flameward. Healing first would be correct if it was.
@@markma4954 Plus it was a drafted secret, the only secret worth possibly drafting is generally Flame Ward. That mage prob got some abysmal picks while drafting and went with Visage
deck tracker needs top be banned. its unfair to use software to keep track of cars in ur deck and ur opponent hand
I was the 69th like, nice
First
I enjoyed this run but definitely full of misplays almost every turn lol