Caller: "I just want to move on from Jehovah's Witnesses, we have enough activism"
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- (Voicemail no. 191) Russell is on the cusp of leaving Jehovah's Witnesses but is already resolved to not participate in any form of activism against the religion.
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I will forever be grateful to the activists, particular on RUclips for waking me up. 🙏🏼 The hard work being done in this space is so incredibly important and should never be underestimated.
I woke up thanks to Lloyd...It,s much better than been at sleep ..dying of Fear and Guilt and slavery! Very greatful to all good activists! ❤
I wish this community and medium had existed 30 years ago. I think it would've saved me a lot of time and damage.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Couldn’t agree more🫠! Lloyd and other ex-JW activists are truly a life savers. ❤ I can’t believe I could have been so blind all my life.
@@ArkanaIndeed so you believe an atheist rather than the Bible. o my
I've benefitted greatly from Lloyd's activism. His logical, intelligent deconstruction of JW doctrines, his pointing out, with documentary evidence of the Watchtower Society's blatant lies and gaslighting, their falsification of Scripture and so many other things, all this really helped me. I was told about his channel 8 years after I left.
It was a very lonely experience, fading. Knowing I was not, and am not alone is priceless.
Having someone keeping an eye on Watchtower's output and calling it out for what it is - lies and propaganda - is a valuable Public Service.
Thank you Lloyd and Tibor!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
@@Mr.DC3.1914 the Bible is Man made, full of contradictions and lunacy and it's God is a Monster. Well, He would be, if He existed at all, which He doesn't.
Russell is wrong. There isn't enough activism! People are still being hurt by this organization. Does he not care about that? Oh, and happy birthday, Lloyd! 🎂
Thanks so much!
@@LloydEvans,
To concur with Vicki_Benji, I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Lloyd, and may you and your family stay safe, remain in good health, thrive -- and may you have many, many more happy birthdays to come.
Caller is sketchy imho. 😮
@@KitKatSukiKat I was thinking the same thing.
@@LloydEvans Oh Lloyd, sorry to have missed your birthday. 😞 Belated Happy Birthday, and many more 🎊🎈🥳🎉🍰🥃🍺🍾🙋♀️💃🕺🏿🎶 🥰
We don't have enough activism. I say that because governments don't take us seriously enough to actually do something about the child abuse cover up.
Also it's not weird to be an activist. Helping other people to get out, is one of the many way to heal.
This is useful, without activists like Lloyd, I would probably still be in the organization. We need people like this.
It's like SheIn employees, they stopped working for that company and now they call out what's really happening and why the clothes are dangerous.
A person may need a clear, clean break at first to clear their heads and hearts and do some healing while purging the toxins from the black hole Watchtower. Then, after a time, they might stick their toes carefully into the world of advocacy and activism, after having had the time to recuperate from the effects of being in this devious cult. Then they can make a fresh start. But they might need to take care of themselves and nurture themselves for a while to have peace of mind. Of course, it is different for everyone’s personal individual needs.
The activism is an essential part for many who have left, in that it brings them closer to healing. For me, I left many, many years ago and there was no mental healthcare available. And the mental health that was available, many professionals didnt understand about high controll groups. I stuffed and moved on. If it hadnt been for Leah Remini and then Lloyd's story, I would have never even realized I was in a cult and unrecovered carrying destructive life patterns. I pushed it away because I knew it seemed wrong to me. But, it came back to haunt me all through my life. I am so thankful to Lloyd for providing activism, promoting mental health, and being there for people who need to make up their minds on whether to leave. Giving them a different way to see things, as they have questions that they cant ask and allowing people to have choice. So, I find Lloyd's work extremely important and I am grateful to him for all of his fine work. PS I cant watch activism all the time either because of triggers. But I respect Lloyd's work as he puts in a great deal of effort finding facts, having empathy and compassion for all those suffering, promoting mental health and sometimes providing needed humor.
I'm not and have never been a JW and I still think there should be more activism from all kinds of cult survivors,
It's called: Caring about other people's experiences. I find activism and content like this so helpful to understand others and navigate the world in a kinder way. The activism isn't just for the members of the group being represented, we all live in the world and coexist with others after all
@emb3863,
I totally agree. I think that ex-members of different fundamentalist religious groups can actually learn a lot from each other and can help one another and should collaborate with each other on various projects from time to time regardless of whatever differences they may have. I think that can be very helpful and useful.
Lloyd channel helped me a lot when I were feeling completely lonely after leaving the cult. Thanks forever Lloyd ❤❤❤
Excellent advice Lloyd ! Thank goodness for yours & others activism because many want to know TTATT, the truth about “the truth”. Thanks a million times over for Ray Franz writing his book and for activists bringing awareness to it along with sharing their own experiences and knowledge.
It’s just incredible that with the information available now via RUclips and other modern applications, we are able to peer behind the curtain, behind the facade that Watchtower has hidden it’s ‘secrets’ that they don’t want the average JW to know about.
That was a kind answer, Lloyd. I understand that before you deconstruct enough to understand the extent of the manipulation you are under, someone might think "let everyone make their own decisions and live with them." But to go into someone's channel to ask a question and say "btw, what you do for a living is wrong and unnecessary" requires some cheek! I do not do public activism, for mental health reasons and because I'm not shunned by a part of my family and I do not want to cut those relationships. But I am really grateful for all of you who do it, and I will keep supporting you whenever I can.
Happy birthday, Lloyd!! Hope you have a lovely Sunday!!! 🎂
Happy Birthday Russell
Good advice! Thanks to Lloyd and all brave callers! May we all move on from this cult!
"Religion has become now a yoke and a harness for people, requiring them to believe along certain prescribed lines of thought and to behave along certain prescribed lines of behavior. But this is far from the essence of what religion is really for. To require, either through inducement or threat, for people to adhere to a certain system of belief does not represent the essence and the purpose of religion. Yet that is what is so manifest in the world today."
The Pure Religion - Chapter 5: The Purpose of Religion, The New Message from God
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for all you do Lloyd ❤❤
Thank you Esther!
Lloyd. I absolutely love your activisome. You helped me wake. And i well always be grateful. Keep up the good work. I don't know if i could every do activism work myself, so i truly appreciate the work that you and other activists do.
Lloyd, your words, videos, actions and demeanor are as Golden as your pretty hair. Please forgive me for being overly honest but what you’re doing brings tears of joy to my eyes. I commonly weep while watching your videos.
You’re way too kind, thank you Whitney 🙂
The issue for recent ex-Witnesses is that they still have the habit of wanting to decide how other people should feel and act…just like the Watchtower did to them. This caller still hasn’t mastered “live and let live”.
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Watching this video....I can see Russell have 2 big advantages...He knows of experience HOW it feels and works to be DF..( and his mother knows too)! 2. He feel no guilt. ( FOG is something most JW struggles with). Russel has an big advantage there too. Wish him luck! Be free! ❤❤❤ Thanks again for this voicemail dear Lloyd. Great advices❤
Look-I get it, my husband treated being in the cult like a dog treats everything, he sniffed it, pissed on it and walked away!!! I’m a little different and without activists like Lloyd I wouldn’t have coped with the trauma of what happened to me. I need the help & reassurance & watching videos and knowing others went through the same really does help. We’re all just different. Thanks Lloyd, I’ll always be grateful for your channel 🤗
Thank you for your activism
Lloyd, I don't always track with your comments on the voicemail reactions, but you nailed this one dead on. Very well stated and explained.
I really like the point regarding the spectrum of activism. I probably follow a dozen different exJW channels and just like personalities, each one has a very unique approach and though process. The best thing is to get that many different points of view on any given singular topic and average it all together to get the most well-shaped information. There are some nutters out there, too. You can't just jump into the sack with any ol' exJW content creator.
I left the org for good when I was Df'd around 2003. It's been awhile. I was basically POMI for a couple of years and was just resigned to being destroyed at Armageddon. Years later whilst debating some fools in the Yahoo comments, I started re-reading certain accounts just to refresh, and WOW. Right out of the gate, Genesis 1 & 2 was just a sh!t show. The more I refreshed, the more a suddenly realized I didn't believe the bible. Next, you morph into, if that isn't true, this whole god concept doesn't even make any sense. Next thing you know, you're an atheist. That was pretty much it until around 2 years ago when I just discovered that there was even such a thing as an exJW community online. GAME CHANGER. Now the clarification and actual deconstructing process, so late in my life, has been so strengthening. I didn't just quit a cult and suffer the loss of every single loved one for no reason. The more I learn about the origins, the changes, the lies, the coverups, the more I feel vindicated by the stance I've maintained regardless of what it cost me. That's why I need this. It does take you to a negative space sometimes, and you need to duck out for a few days, but for as long as I'm shunned by my parents, siblings and children, I will likely keep strengthening myself with an actual truth about the destructive force that monopolized the first 35 years of my life.
Thanks, Dude!
ALL ATHEISTS who are claiming that God doesn't exist and the Bible is nothing but a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales KNOW
and are fully aware that all Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and all kinds of Religions who are filling the world with their lies and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are the liars, merciless, traitors, and deceitful enemies of Jesus Christ on earth
who are not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, and cruelties offend, hurt, insult, and degrade the lives and dignities of their co-human beings that cause their sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths.
ALL RELIGIONS and ENEMIES of JESUS CHRIST KNOW
and are fully aware that they are offended, angered, and just can't accept that all lowly, ordinary, kind, and submissive persons on earth who honor and obey Jesus Christ as their Heavenly Master and King and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored and honored by the God and Father of Jesus Christ with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death.
JESUS CHRIST KNOWS
that all liars, deceivers, arrogant, unkind, and merciless persons on earth who rejected his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their natural deaths
but
all his loving, kind, and respectful followers and worshippers of his God and Father who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts forever,
instead, in the right and proper time,
he will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the
"KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and his Father's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as his God and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Well, before I listen to Lloyd's take, I don't think Russell "gets it". We ALL want to just move on and live our lives. For some, that's an easier task. For others, there is a sh!t-ton of trauma that we're still dealing with, even after decades of being out. It's nice that Russell still lives at home and his biggest problem is that his mommy leaves him bible quotes. That's nothing. Had his family thrown him out and shunned him, he would have a very different perspective. Just let him jump into a chrismas or two and start a relationship with a non-believer while still living at home and we'll see if he sings a different tune. Ok, now to see what Lloyd says on the matter...
I myself needed the interview I did with Lloyd. When Leah Reminy did her TV show on Jehovah's Witnesses I thought I was the only one who experienced a serial pedophile in the congregation. I needed the interview to finally heal after over 30 years after my CSA experience. So I now listen more than in the start after my interview because as Lloyd said it was triggering to delve into the disgusting things JW's allow. The caller mentioned celebrating holidays and not being an apostate well just celebrating is apostasy. Being an activist I believe can be hard and terrifying but to be an exJW it's not just watching things like this or talking bad about Jw's it's actions. The 2 times disfellowshiped if you came out of it unscathed then maybe this will be smooth. I was disfellowshiped twice and both times emotionally traumatized. So good luck with your journey and Lloyd thank you for all you do especially amongst people who were unkind to you. You've helped many.
Russell, happy birthday. I'm viewing this today so, happy birthday to you too, Lloyd.
Happy birthday Lloyd!
This caller should go and live his life the way he wants and not impose his way on other exJWs. Interesting how he urges us to allow JWs to live their own lives as they see fit, but then specifically directs how exJWs should live theirs.....
He still has JW effect on him. Its how we used to talk about exJWs why they just move on when they got kicked out.
did you, @@tiiatuuli339 ?
Yeah, I think he talks big talk for a guy who still lives with his parents.
Right 💯
Activism is a calling, I personally want to do other things with my time.
The activism is important because of the children brought up with their minds full of fear, no social skills and even more frequently these children get no proper education. This commits so many to low income lives and very limited futures.
Way too late, but Lloyd opened my eyes. I left the JW many years ago but lived with fear all those years. My life limited and challenged for no reason all that time. PTSD, abuse and very low self esteem.
Lloyd is the best.
Thank you. I haven't heard anyone else so perfectly describe the residual beliefs that linger. I still often find myself reasoning based on presuppositions that have no value, and your content helps me see everything st face value. I remember after I left, thinking it wasn't for me, but it was a good organization and group trying to do good things, and my view has had to change so that I don't just fall back into living a miserable life for 9 guys in New York
Thank you very much Trey! I’m so glad my words resonate with you! 🙂
I love Loyd very intelligent man.
Every single time I watch a video a voice in my head says… “l love Lloyd” 🥰
Lloyd, after 45 years POMO I get Armageddon flashes with every earthquake, sonic boom, thunder clap, etc.
Thank you for being there. You're a help & a comfort. 💖
Happy birthday Lloyd and thanks for all you’re doing! 🎉
Lloyd we love what you do ..your an incredibly honest brave person ..thank you .
So...even as a person that is not and never was a JW, activism like the one Loyds makes and other people that was on cults help me to think around a lot of things I see in my daily life that feel a bit like brain washing, such as nationalism, working according to the ideals of a company and the expectations of you giving yourself to it, complete loyalty and the desire to buy propaganda from any political group, the consequences of religious manipulation in general, the problem of sharing a religion with a group of people, for you and others, etc, etc. I even understand that despite currently being agnostic, and not having had a strong Catholic education, the consequences of Catholicism live in my system, feeling watched, judged, guilty, nervous when someone points out something I do well with the urge to make it sound like it's not right, so as not to look arrogant , as if that were the virtuous thing to do. I am very grateful for your work Loyd makes, in all honestly helps me a lot to think why a lot of things, such as religion and nationalism should not be introduced to children, at least in my opinion.
Some people are just so spoiled and can’t see the full picture.. I’m stage 2 Bipolar, and live a completely normal life away from the people who shun me. This is just a cry for mommy or daddy not to kick you out of the house! Get on medication, and get a job! That’s what I did!People still need to know what’s going on with this cult!
Thank you Lloyd, may God and Jesus bless you abundantly
Ik was ook 30 jaar geleden vertrokken met dezelfde instelling. Uiteindelijk bleef het altijd aanwezig in mijn leven en begon ik weer te twijfelen na een overlijden (opstanding). Tot ik vorig jaar besloot gedegen onafhankelijk onderzoek te doen. Achteraf had ik dat veel eerder moeten doen besef ik nu. Eindelijk rust en duidelijkheid. Met dank aan de ex-JW activisme!!!
Great reply Lloyd. And yeah mental health plays a part like you said, it can get a bit deep and I find myself dipping in and out of it as it can be really heaven and relentless
Activism is SO important. I’m not religious and have never been a JW, but activists have opened my eyes to these abusive, controlling cults… we need to show understanding and kindness to victims of these cults.
Sending a lot of love to you Lloyd to combat some of the hate that is aimed your way❤. Your work is a life saver. For a long time after “fading away” I was at a limbo. I still at some level believed that Jehova may be real. Armageddon is coming any minute now. Your videos helped me to be able to think about my life in a critical way. I came to the same conclusion as you did. Even if God is real, according to Bible he is not Love. I’m an atheist now. But even if all of JW teachings would be real I can’t imagine living under the rule of the God that Bible describes. Cruel and demanding and selfish God. For the first time in my life I am starting to really live. To experience life. I am not able to do what you do. All the hard work. Hours upon hours of research. The mental fortitude. All I can say is I truly appreciate it and a BIG THANK YOU for all of it!
Thank you very much, that’s very sweet of you to say! 🙂
I can hear JW way how he said there are enough activism, people should just move on. I remember how JWs were talking about exs and why they just dont leave us alone, if they dont want to living as JW and just shuhshsh. Why they stand outside convention. We are here, no matter how JWs act that we are dead we are still alive and want to help anyone who needs help to get out from that cult.
Very well said, Lloyd. Actually, I was expecting you to answer "hell, yeah!" to this caller after all that you've been through, but your explanation was the detailed, profound, consistent analysis we're used to getting from you! Thank you so much for, again, being so well-balanced on things!
This is your best voicemail reply so far Lloyd... but that's just my subjective opinion ofcourse... your honesty and intelligent controlled emotion and weighing of wise words were deeply felt by me... Edit nr1.: thank you so much! Edit nr2: I added this video to my playlist: 'Best ex JW interviews ever!' ...
Wow thank you! 🙂
We are free!!!
With all due respect to the caller: that’s your view as an ex-JW. Acceptance & respect is important, for all those who escape the org.; & the way they choose to do so.
Best of luck to you.
I don't hate you Lloyd - i think you're great and appreciate everything you do. 🙂
Lloyd, your work is importent (for me).
Thank you! 🙂
We don't have enough activitism. We need that spectrum. I agree Lloyd. We need your videos, your videos have helped me heal. Its no wonder these can be draining. You give so much. But overall its loving because I feel I'm not alone. We need this information out there
Well stated Lloyd ❤
that caller very selfish , ungratefull ... activism its very essential life saving , im so thankfull to you Lloyd you are wonderfull ..please keep being an apostate activist.
today es the 10th and Its your birthday happy biryhday Loyd !I hope you will keep on doing this job the longuer possible, kisses from Angola Africa
"Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need" hehehe. I have chosen for a while to not view exjw videos, podcasts maybe, as it was getting me bogged Down. I chose today to search your channel again Lloyd and it must be the holy spirit this is the video that comes up. Thanks for the calm British, rational voice you have given to the exjw community. (Just to clarify, i dont believe in a supernatural dimension)
Ray Franz, YES. I was never the same after "Crisis," went pimo but stayed several more decades, 'dumas.'
"Stupid man," lol. Lv you Lloyd, thanx for your work, it helps, and can be very entertaining.
I know it's too late now but I just wanna say happy birthday to the caller!🥳
The activists are not necessarily there to bring ones out rather we are here to help those looking to leave or find answers so as to shed that cognitive dissonance and to prevent others from falling victim to them and their tactics. Happy Birthday and I hope he continues to expand his experiences and information so as to gain new perspectives.
Lloyd, I just want to say that you've helped me process a whole bunch of trauma with your channel. I had been out for decades and never processed the whole thing. I was so unaware. So thank you! BTW, I am really sorry for all your troubles. Somehow I feel you are going to rise above all those hateful, petty people and go on to greater success.
Let’s hope! Thanks Cindy! 🙂
After the pandemic, the war going on in Ukraine, inflation, and the scourge of the GOP here in the states, we're all of us hurting. But slowly things will get better. You built a successful channel, done so much good work, and accomplished a lot. You will do it again! Good fortune isn't finished with you yet!
Solution for shunning
Shun them back
I think it’s funny how he’s like I don’t get why people check up but has been reinstated twice. It’s a lot of trauma leaving and sometimes the best you can deal with the situation is leave and not go back and watch a channel like this. Thanks for the work you do Lloyd
Happy early birthday wishes Lloyd
Thank you Kyle!
wishing to never see the day lloyd stops making youtube video, but we all know it will happen at some point. let’s enjoy them while we still can
Lloyd, I want to thank you for all of the work you’ve done. I ‘woke up’ and left the organisation 30 years ago, but only since watching your videos over the last 3 years have I properly woken up. Before this, I regularly felt that I was damned and would be slaughtered at Armageddon - and made many poor life decisions based on that. Thanks to your channel, I now feel liberated from the toxic teachings, and can believe that I can live a good and valuable life without fear of death due to leaving.
You helped me realise that JW’s are not simply ‘good people’ - whilst many of them are, unfortunately the teachings are designed to enslave the rank and file and waste the lives of those members - and they propagate this.
Luckily I was never disfellowshipped and I can still talk to my family, although I feel we have never had a proper relationship since I left. That said, I am very glad I was able to leave and live a better life.
Your videos really helped me understand the facts behind the organisation, and the flaws in their teachings. This has made me feel so much better in myself. It has shown me they are just a man made organisation, with the same level of greed, corruption and selfishness of any other organisation. Certainly not the ‘Truth’.
Thanks again for all you do - every single person who you reach with your videos is one more person who regains their life, who can really ‘live again’ and not waste their life in useless servitude.
You’ve massively helped me to come to terms with the legacy of growing up as a JW, and I am now confident to actively reject their teachings and am able to articulate why to my family.
You are providing a much needed and appreciated service, and you have helped so many of us wake up, and then move on to live lives free of this mental slavery.
Thank you Lloyd. And Happy Birthday🎉🎉
The FOLLOWERS of the ANTI-CHRISTS
are all members of all Christian and non-Christian Religions who
believe and preach the lies and false teachings of their Pastors and Leaders about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" in opposition and rejection of what were written in the Bible, in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
that Jesus Christ is the One given by God all authority in heaven and on earth and was sent from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings.
The FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST
are all persons on earth who -
1. honor and obey the God and Father of Jesus Christ as their God and Heavenly Father too.
2 honor and obey Jesus Christ as their Heavenly Master and King and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
All followers of Jesus Christ know and understand that -
1. the "Kingdom of God" is the coming Rulership of God through Jesus Christ that will stop and put an end to all the lies, hypocrisies, deceptions, cruelties, and false claims and teachings against God of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all followers of Jesus Christ who will be rewarded and honored with Eternal Life and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death.
2. the "Resurrection of the Dead" is God's guarantee through Jesus Christ that all followers of Jesus Christ and worshippers of his God and Father
who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts forever,
instead, in the right and proper time,
Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the
"KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of Jesus Christ and his God and Father for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his God and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Thank you so much Peter! Congratulations on your brave exit! 🙂
the point you make on 23:00 is something that everybody should undestand.
I do wish Russell the best in learning how to manage his mental health condition. I hope someday he can become independent from his mother, and maybe if he is able to work and currently is employed, I hope he can find a job that he's passionate about -- whether that's being an ex-JW activist or not. He might change his mind about activism at some future point, and he may not. When he refers to ex-JWs "obsession with the Bible", I think that learning about Biblical scholarship and examining the texts that make up the Bible from a more objective viewpoint and learning more about the history of Christianity and just learning more about the concept of religion in general from scholarly sources -- if one is able to and has an interest in doing so -- can be a very fascinating and worthwhile field of study and can even, sometimes, make you think and perhaps help you figure out what you do and do not believe.
Christianity and religion in general still have a major influence on our world, and that influence isn't and hasn't always been a bad thing, but it hasn't been all good either. Maybe Russell isn't ready to look at anything religion-related right now, and that should be okay. I do think that ex-JW activism is an idea that will always be needed as long as the JW denomination exists, even if it's only for the sake of letting other ex-Witnesses know that they're not alone. The JW denomination has a major impact on the lives of its adherents and even has some impact on former members, sometimes for the rest of their natural lives to one degree or another. Even when an ex-JW manages to distance themselves from the Watchtower Society, they still have to try to figure out how to manage their lives and figure out what they want to do with themselves in a largely non-JW world.
Some JWs who are questioning their beliefs feel that JW doctrines and policies are having a negative impact on their lives and when they're doubting those doctrines and practices, they feel the need to talk to someone about it. And I think there are ex-JWs who can provide online spaces where people can do that. Sometimes ex-JWs feel the need to talk about what they went through and perhaps their viewpoints and stories will resonate with someone. Ex-JWs have a plethora of different viewpoints, opinions and beliefs, and we're not always going to agree with one another about everything. As Lloyd has pointed out, there are some ex-JWs who are very toxic individuals, but then again, there are some toxic JWs in the Organization, too. There are some toxic lifelong non-Witnesses as well. Toxic folk come from every single background you can imagine.
I still feel that ex-JW activism has its place, but it's not a line of work or hobby that every ex-JW can pursue for various reasons, and it's not a line of work or hobby that every ex-JW has to pursue. I think more ex-JW activism is needed. I think that there are people inside the Organization who are doubting and feel they've experienced harm and there are people who have left the Organization who feel that have been put through the wringer due to their experiences. There are even some lifelong non-JWs who feel that they have been impacted negatively in some way by the JW Organization by whatever exposure they had to it, either through having JW relatives or friends who are actively involved in the denomination, or maybe they previously underwent Bible study courses with the Witnesses and quit their Bible study sessions because they weren't able to agree with the information being presented to them and they're trying to now make sense of what they learned about the Witness faith.
I don't expect Lloyd to be an activist in the ex-JW community for the rest of his life. If he wanted to do ex-JW activism work for the rest of his days and was able to, that would probably be a great for some people who come across his work and are interested in hearing what he has to say, but if he doesn't want to and wants to pursue some other career field someday in the future -- then that's fine, too, and it would be perfectly understandable. He has other interests, just like most of us do. Lloyd doesn't owe anybody anything. I certainly hope that Lloyd continues his ex-JW activism work for a while at least as I feel that he has lots of interesting things to say and is a very valuable voice in the ex-JW community (one of many), even if I don't always agree with all of his viewpoints.
As for Russell, I wish him all the best in wherever his journey takes him.
Not everyone should be an activist but if by chance a conversation comes up then take the chance to educate people. Like my 4 grown children do when the subject of JWs come up. They were not raised JWs but because of my experience have become educators about JWs if it comes up in natural conversation. Say if a coworker says a JW came to their door or if someone cracks a JW joke. I never asked them to do that. They feel compelled to do it knowing the harm it caused me.
What your describing is called *Rumination* in Psychology. I have to fight very hard every day to stop ruminating on what my parents did to me. It will never stop because whatever you experience as a child will remain with you until the day they die. That is how the brain works.
Some of these comments have good intentions, and others are disgusting. Lloyd took the time to treat russel and his voicemail with respect. Saying hurtful things about him isnt just saying it into the void. Activism is about helping others and these comments could be advice to him, instead of rude. I hope you "activists" feel ashamed
The reason I keep following exJW content is because I have family still in, and I need to know what I'm up against. I like to follow along what sort of brainwashing propaganda is being dished out to them and also ever hopeful that WT's last days are almost up.
PROOF that ATHEISM, AGNOTICISM, and RELIGIONS CAUSE the SUFFERINGS, PAINS, and DEATHS of MANKIND
All Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, and Agnostics who deliberately placed themselves under the authority, power, and control of the arrogant, cruel, and merciless Satan the Devil
are the arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons on earth
who don't value the lives, dignities, welfare, and existence of others including their own families, friends, and neighbors, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, deceptions, hypocrisies, cruelties, lies and false teachings about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" hurt, offend, insult, humiliate and degrade the lives and dignities of their co-human beings that cause their sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS.
PROOF that ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, and members of ALL RELIGIONS DON'T VALUE their OWN LIVES and EXISTENCE on EARTH
All the arrogant, cruel, and merciless Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, and Agnostics who cause the sufferings, pains, and deaths of mankind also don't value their own lives, dignities, and existence, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of God's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
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I understand the caller. I do. (And congrats on waking up and best of luck with his mother! 🙂) I'm never going to be an activist, myself - it's just not in me, like it isn't in lots of people. But what I do, is take part in the exJW community. Like now, by commenting. Sometimes it's not a video that a JW making their exit needs, but an understanding comment on a forum. Or to read an experience they, too, have had, from someone else, thereby validating their own. Activism comes in subtler forms, too.
As for keeping up with the org and studying the Bible in an academic way - it's a form of therapy for me. I'm both building a resistance to the bs of the org (since I, like the caller, still have contact with my JW mother) and reminding myself that it IS all bs. 🤷♀️ Not everyone needs to do that, and that's good. But I do, and that's okay, too. 🙂
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I used to think like the caller. Just live your life, yada yada.
I no longer see it that way. For one thing…Watching these videos are therapeutic.
Another thing, we all have
To take a stand and decide if we will support that stand, stand up for what you believe in type of thing. I unwitness as much as I can. I also have other causes. They all welcome a voice. People benefit from it. It’s a win win.
Caller A) get out of your mothers house and learn to live on your own without your mom's help! B) Lots of people leave and not active in the ex-JDUB community. I like to listen but that is it myself. C) Go live your life and do as you please D) Never let men judge you again E) again, get out of the home and let her do what she wants and you do what you want
Dude has a disability. Maybe he is having severe troubles leaving home.
@@badger1296 Sometimes these folks need counseling and meds but in the end, the mother will not always be there for him. Children have to learn to live on their own in this world. Simple as that. He sound very intelligent on the phone so don't tell me he cannot have the capacity to hold a job, live on his own, make his own way.
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You know, 1) There are widely different experiences when it comes to the severity of mental illness and 2), if it is that easy for everyone to leave a bad situation, far fewer women would experience intimate partner violence. The guy said that he is disabled and I have no reason to doubt him.
@@badger1296 Even Walmart has disabled people at Walmart as a greeter. I have seen disabled working at local food markets. He sounded very intelligent. I have an older daughter that has had many issues in her life, most caused by her decisions. She is 40+ years old and even she is living on her own albeit tenuously. It can be done. Young people today look for every excuse to stay home and let the parents take care of them. Just because he is handicapped in some way does not mean incapable of working. Don't coddle him! Otherwise, they play the victim their entire life!
@@swhite10539Why do you assume he isn't working?
people need help and support
Tgank goodness I started listening to L E or i may have gone back after 20 years to the toxic mental coders
I am former army. I know a lot about propaganda and a lot how works and how to mess with pepoles head. I can say that If a way of thinking is ingraned hard enough in you head. It´s going to stay. reading a book writen by a former brittish special forces guy. made me think I am not insane. at least somebodyelse got the same thoughts and they are a working person in society. I guess their is kind of the same thing when it comes to Ex JW. some of the things I heard JW do. Is totaly of limits for at least the military in my country.
Why are you listening to Loyd's youtube? Go on with your life.. 😂
Why are you listening?
@@dennisconstantine624 Response to the caller!!
Hope you can move on Russell
I understand the feelings towards moving on with your life. However, I do think there should be more activism, more people criticizing, more voices, more intervews, documentaries... Etc.
Great video by the way.
Criticism should be levelled against any organization that has serious doctrinal and policy flaws. However, intermingling atheistic preferences with the criticism is entirely another matter.
Intermingling theistic preferences would be just fine though, right?
There are Christian ex-JW activists. I'm also an atheist but have appreciated their contribution. Everyone has their own perspective. Vive la différence!
I immediately bail on any channel that is an exJW that is still a christian. Their world view, IMO, is still tainted and I don't want to hear any of it. That's just me.@@Ballykeith
One of the strongest lessons I learned post-JW was not only is the org a mess, but that the bible itself is a mess. It's all part of the deconstruction. It barely scratches the surface to just talk smack about the organization, the entire global religious atmosphere is the same problem, and the source of it all isn't reliable. Quitting just one religion is only the beginning.
The thing is, both are related. The fear of having invisible people watching you and judging you will often push you into another cult. I needed to be completed free of all religious bs. As a woman, and woman with African descent it's really not in our interest to take the bible or any religion seriously. The misogynistic views and the racism in religions is detrimental for us. We shouldn't rely on invisible people to live our lives.
It depends on the time frame a person was involved in the cult. For me 46 years in it; meant many years thereafter of therapy and research to deal and heal. It still rears it’s ugly head once in awhile. IMO Russell has little experience and in denial about what is needed to “move on”
I wish him well.
Don’t ever go Lloyd. 😢
Angel...di di di di di diiiing ayiingellll .....and no money in our coats...you can't say we're satisfiyiyiyed.... angel 💗
The caller is ridiculous and sounds very self centered. And like hes trying convince himself of something. I been left over 20yrs ago. My family were never jw, so i have all my fam i wasnt abused or disfellowshipped. I been moved on. Untill i saw the jw special and was horrified about the csa. But thats me. I had no idea this organization has hurt and hurting so many so just cause I easily moved on I am no position to judge the angry, hurt, traumatized exjws who some have even lost their lives to this bs. So they have every right to do activism and be bitter. Its called compassion. It isnt just jws i feel bad for anyone in these depraved religions.
Your words are so Soothsayer and beautiful.
Thank you! 😊
I agree with this caller, Russell. I have to disagree on one matter, I'm not an "activist" although I speak against this cult as much as I can. But I do admit, I watch many, many ex jw videos & ck on them with updates, this is because I was fanatically involved with this cult, read everything, watched everyone of their videos etc...etc...So with that, I'm wondering just how many ex jws activists were very, very active "Spiritual" jws? This may explain the Activists and their intent on speaking against the organization who they once "Heavily promoted" that was me!🤔😱😊😉 Great work Lloyd! Maybe you should retire and move on?!?! ❤You helped me immensely!!! 🎉
@LloydEvans : I have one idea of future topic for you: I noticed JW never encourage fasting as a way of purification and getting closer to Jehovah. That is in a big contrast to other religions (eg Catholic, Islam) where prayer and fasting are important. Bible also shows multiple examples of fasting. So why JWs completely chose to ignore fasting ? There must be something to it ..
I suspect most people do move on either without doing any form of activism, or if do some it is more on the level of participating in forums/social media comments, maybe giving some financial support. It is just ex members not participating in any form of activism or topic specific forum are going to be hard to notice.
I find this caller sketchy! 🐠 🐟
Here’s the thing he doesn’t have to watch your videos he can live his life without trying to get people to live life how he wants them to. Let them be activists or not activists. Like wtf .
Guy bashes on activism and that one should move on but needs help from an activist. S
'Those who want to let their children die rather than have a blood transfusion, whatever. Live and let die...Those who want to shun their gay children causing suicide, I have no problem with that. Go live your life and don't give another thought about all those traumatized children expecting armageddon any day....no big deal."
Its a fact that you cannot change peoples beliefs purely thru "logic" or critical thought and argumentation. People, true believers etc have invested alot of emotional energy into a belief system and they very much resist any reason to look behind the curtain JUST incase there is something else there.
I’m not gonna lie, activism does have its place for the EX Jw. For me, I’ve been awake for about 7 years since I was 16. Over the years, I tried doing an ex jw channel but I realized over time that it wasn’t for me. Plus I’m 23 now, I made new friends and getting a degree this year. Im basically moved on, I’ll check here and there but aside from that. I’ve been done
to move on, you have to know where you stay! of course, at the beginning, you have to struggle with a new life, with the loss of your friends, but later you have to answer some fundamental questions: do I still believe in Christ? where did Christianity came from? is the Bible an inspired revelation? is there a god who wants me to obey his moral standards? for this, you need research, e.g. learn about religion, bible, god out of the JW frame. It s not only a philosophical quest, but this will of course determine your behaviour, your morals…and activists ( nit only ex jws) and scholars can help you to do this kind of research
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Learning more about the witnesses with a bit of perspective is really helpful for noticing - and unpicking - the programming you had. On the bible thing, I’ve found myself reading about the bible more recently too! I’m an atheist, I think the bible has a lot of nonsense, but its a fascinating book. Its a series of writings of its time (and that’s a very different time from the events it purports to depict) with a lot of political and social context. Without the simplistic religio-goggles on, its very interesting. I wouldn’t recommend reading the bible immediately upon leaving the witnesses though. Get some time off and discover who you are deep down.
Atheists who are claiming that God doesn't exist are the persons on earth who are opposed and against what were written in the Bible, in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3
that the God and Father of Jesus Christ is the True and Sovereign God.
Members of all Christian and non-Christian Religions who believe and preach the lies and false teachings of their Pastors and Leaders about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are the persons on earth who are opposed and against what were written in the Bible, in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
that Jesus Christ is the One given by God all authority in heaven and on earth and was sent from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings.
The FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST are all persons on earth who -
1. honor and obey the God and Father of Jesus Christ as their God and Heavenly Father too.
2 honor and obey Jesus Christ as their Heavenly Master and King and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
All followers of Jesus Christ know and understand that -
1. the "Kingdom of God" is the coming Rulership of God through Jesus Christ that will stop and put an end to all the lies, hypocrisies, deceptions, cruelties, and false claims and teachings against God of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all followers of Jesus Christ who will be rewarded and honored with Eternal Life and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death.
2. the "Resurrection of the Dead" is God's guarantee through Jesus Christ that all followers of Jesus Christ and worshippers of his God and Father
who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts forever,
instead, in the right and proper time,
Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the
"KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of Jesus Christ and his God and Father for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his God and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
This kid has no idea how unique his situation is. Hope more young people get to enjoy leaving the religion and staying at home with their parents. It does seem like the longest way of saying, "I dont get it".
I think I can understand Russell's concerns with ex-JW activism against the Watchtower Society. I'm not an activist in the ex-JW community, but I am sure it can be emotionally draining. Activism against the Society isn't for every single ex-JW person in the world. Sometimes, some ex-JWs after leaving the JW Organization need a break from looking at issues surrounding the ex-JW community and examining JW-related things for the sake of their emotional and mental wellbeing and maybe, to avoid possible burnout. Some want to focus on other issues that they feel are more important to them (and those issues probably are more important) and that's totally understandable.
Ex-JW activism isn't an easy task. It happens to be Lloyd Evans' fulltime job as it is for some other ex-JWs, for some it's just a parttime job and for others, it's just a passionate hobby. If Russell feels that activism isn't something that he would like to do at any point in time, then I feel that maybe he shouldn't pursue that course. It's not for everyone.
Obvious JW is obvious.
Saying that he’s disabled, because he has bipolar, is bullshit. I know plenty of people dealing with mental illness that are working, going about their daily business, struggling with their mental illness and still succeeding. I find him not worthy to even be on the show. You should’ve picked someone else.
Bet this guy thinks BoTh SiDeS of the political aisle are extreme and dangerous, too. God, these type of people are so infuriating
Bipolar guy has high confidence in his ability to “just move on.” Good luck, I guess 🤷♀️
Yeah, I don't think he's even taken the first step of that journey yet. He's about to get hit in the face with it.
@@Eric_01 completely agree.
its a strange call. if you aren't interested in activism, just stop watching these videos and do something else
Why are you so obsessed with them though?