The analytical criminals who understand how to LEARN from EVERY lesson. ALL situations , setbacks, and circumstances Either theirs or others before or around them ....these are the Hardliners the Streets HATE... Too much accountability and common sense to be popular. Everything is selective politics wit our people
Drake a great artist! His music slaps! We always gotta down each other Instead give each other props! Let's stop hating on each other & congratulate each other. If u don't like his music cool. But u ain't gotta down the brother. We black. Let's come together like the Jews & get this money 💰 were stronger together than apart! ✊🏿
You ain't gotta be from the hood to be a hip hop artist, the goal is to make it out the hood, but still keep your culture, it's wats in you, not where you at.
Glasses spot on. Drake is a wave rider and a Colonizer. Hip-hop has gone worldwide, and these people are cosplaying and emulating Black American culture and will one day claim that they co-created HH. Drake is a melanated Jewish Canadian who claimed to be a GOAT while not writing his bars. He is an entertainer, not a product of the Black American struggle, which is the essence of HH culture.
Drake would wash glasses crazy. Glasses talking crazy and hating on drake and he knows the internet cause it's drake would feed into it. Glasses point is so stupid.
I get what Glasses is saying and he's right. But if you look at in reverse, say for instance, MC Hammer... who went pop but is definitely from the streets... where does that put him in this conversation... just food for thought🤔
Drake started off a rapper Well technically an actor from Degrassi But then turned rapper Now he's a pop rapper/ Pop Singer And yes there's a difference Because When Drake started off He didn't have the poppy/ commercial sound that he does now He was actually HipHop when he came out And then transitioned to Pop Rapper/ Pop singer
Drake is hip hop as hip hop gets and you don't have to be from the streets or struggle to be hiphop. You don't have to like drake or his music but lets not be delusional
Not this conversation again. You’re not a hip hop artist if you’re from the suburbs? What is hip hop? Is it 4 elements, tags on the book bag, chew sticks, and Jansport backpacks? Is it a hip hop coloring book? Is it lyrics about genocide and disrespecting your women? Wait until you find out that some of the most prolific writers came from wealthy families and grew up in the suburbs. Is Rick Rubin part of hip hop? Is the Alchemist part of hip hop? What about Guru from Gangstarr? What about Kurt Mantronik? To any artist, strive to be pop, at least you’ll get top40 billing and can tour.
By your logic, Lil Nas X should have been welcomed into Country Music (they colonized that from Black ppl too along with Jazz ect ect) but we all saw the pushback he got.
@@TuhdaMan what is hip hop and what is rap? Answer my questions specifically about Guru and The Alchemist. Also, the topic isn’t other genres of music. It’s specifically about hip hop/rap or whatever that means. Since you brought it up, is K Michelle’s new record with Jelly Roll not a country record? Should she not be accepted by country music fans. I’ll echo my last point from the previous exchange, again. “To any artist, strive to be pop, at least you’ll get Top40 billing and can tour.”.
@@Levelc that’s a loaded question being Rap goes back to the late 60’s & the term HipHop wasn’t coined till the mid 70’s… Now, As far as Guru goes. I absolutely didn’t listen to that nigga AT ALL soooooooooo
What's up with this Drake grew up middle class narrative? His mom was an English teacher. Drake was helping her pay her medical bills and get herself out of debt at age 17.
Do not come to Toronto with this guys attitude. Disrespect will lead you in a ditch. He probably heard this from a goofy in Toronto that does not put in work. Drake moved around the man dem from time. Not everyone needs to sell drugs or hold a gun to speak on culture. So is mobb deep hip hop. Since Prodigy isn't from the ends he raps about. So i guess mobb Deep is pop music now. Toronto black culture is larger and more global than a lot of american cities. The Jamaicans culture is big here. It is not our fault most people have not traveled outside their city. The best thing is not to talk about what you do not know. RUclips, Point Blank, Jellystone, maestro fresh wes, tha squad. Not everyone grew up in the hood, but everyone was built by it.
Where does that put Drake during his first tape Room for Improvement? Does that mean he was an aspiring popstar cosplaying as a backpack rapper? Also what about his timestamp series are those really just an outsider doing their best mc impression? I think drake is all bout hiphop.
Its an unpopular opinion because Drake is such a popular artist, but the guys name is Aubrey, hes Jewish, and hes Canadian. Drake also doesn't write his own raps, hes a trained actor portraying a rapper. Thats the reality. He has an entire music industry machine behind him, hes also very marketable and safe for the mainstream demographic to consume and digest.
@zairethinker no disrespect to Canada, bro, but in all honesty, NOBODY is going out of their way to look out for Canadian hip-hop artists outside of Canada. 🍁 salute, I love Canadians. yall some of the coolest, nicest people on earth. But no1 thinks of Canada when you think of hip-hop.
Drake is not from America nor comes from the same background as most artists, that’s why he’s an exception but he’s still hiphop, his upbringing & style is just different
Salute Big Court💪🏼……Good discussion…..Glasses Malone was talkin’ that talk. I still consider Drake to be Hip Hop tho’…..The streets birthed hip hop and the streets is the nucleus of Hip Hop culture however the tree of Hip Hop has branches and has extended its branches to people of different socio-economic backgrounds i.e. Drake or Mac Miller types
When it comes to drake people get seriously delusional. Is this really a convo? Is drake hiphop? Of course he is. Like the delusion people have with drake is crazy. Like are y'all for real?? This is damn near troubling the narratives people say about drake. People on here actually sayong glasses has a point lol. The drake hate is somethinh else. By glasses point j cole aint hip hop, cole aint from no struggle. This is a very stupid point and more stupid people on here are actually agreeing with it.
Don’t get on here with logic and reason…it’s blasphemy. Kurt Mantronik, and The Alchemist wouldn’t be considered hip hop by the definition laid in this video.
Glasses Malone is a highly intelligent brotha, who knows how to have an intellectual conversation, while keeping his composure. He’s absolutely right! You can be from the hood or from an urban environment, without necessarily being in the streets or committing crimes.
If you’re signed to a colonizer’s record label you’re not hiphop. Drake is hiphop. Drake has a black father. Gets know urban than that. Take away rap from Eminem and what do you have? He doesn’t live no type of hiphop urban life. Living by and knowing some black people don’t make you hiphop
It's 4 types of us and you just showed that we're different 🧏🏿♂️😭 bro Donald Trump could a lived in 8 mile that shit was sweet that's not the "Hip Hop " culture
I don't care how Drake is classified, he draws no comparison to the most successful female recording artist in the history of music. Furthermore, Madonna remained true to her craft and literally CREATED a look and sound that left a permanent imprint on pop culture. She also set performance standards in concert and touring that is the measuring stick for all female acts that have come after her. Drake doesn't deserve to be compared to an artist who is literally on the Mt. Rushmore of recording artists. Period.
@@nottistewart I didn't miss shit. The comparison to make the "point" was a bad analogy that made no sense. He should've compared Drake to another artist that culturally appropriated HIP-HOP. Not a pop artist who never infiltrated the culture in any way, shape or form.
@@SinistaDaBeast ohhh but you did (potty mouth🤣) Madonna and Big daddy kane... should I type more for you youngsta lmao ,do your homework or at least know a lil something before you start your rant🤣🤣
@@nottistewart I STILL got Long Live The Kane, It's A Big Daddy Thang AND Taste of Chocolate on cassette tape homie I'm far from a "youngsta"...and a collaboration with a rapper is not cultural appropriation, Michael Jackson, Prince and every other major "pop" artist of the era did the same when hip-hop came to the forefront as a genre....U can't school me on none of this shit, find a shorty to play wit. I ain't him. I said what I said, Drake pussy ass ain't in the conversation, end of story.
Loc is smart asf! Impressive. And he's 100% right on all points. Black people in America hate hearing the truth when it's turned on them.
The analytical criminals who understand how to LEARN from EVERY lesson. ALL situations , setbacks, and circumstances Either theirs or others before or around them ....these are the Hardliners the Streets HATE...
Too much accountability and common sense to be popular. Everything is selective politics wit our people
Drake a great artist! His music slaps! We always gotta down each other Instead give each other props! Let's stop hating on each other & congratulate each other. If u don't like his music cool. But u ain't gotta down the brother. We black. Let's come together like the Jews & get this money 💰 were stronger together than apart! ✊🏿
I’ve been saying this for Years about Draaaakkeee🗣️??! He’s definitely a #PopArtist 🎙️🎶
Drake is Definitely Pop with an Urban edge & undertone and he doesn't sound corny when he raps with Street artists
Except with Project Pat on Certified lover boy
You ain't gotta be from the hood to be a hip hop artist, the goal is to make it out the hood, but still keep your culture, it's wats in you, not where you at.
Exactly
Bruh this dude does this all the time. He just rambles.
Lol drake always been upper middle class get off his dixk
Glasses spot on. Drake is a wave rider and a Colonizer. Hip-hop has gone worldwide, and these people are cosplaying and emulating Black American culture and will one day claim that they co-created HH. Drake is a melanated Jewish Canadian who claimed to be a GOAT while not writing his bars. He is an entertainer, not a product of the Black American struggle, which is the essence of HH culture.
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So if you sign to a colonizer’s record label you’re not hiphop.
Drake does have a poppish catalog but if he really get on some hip hop shit I don’t see Glasses f**king with him
Lmao. No bro. Rappin about the ladies ain’t it.
Drake would wash glasses crazy. Glasses talking crazy and hating on drake and he knows the internet cause it's drake would feed into it. Glasses point is so stupid.
@@vidsuals9987 I’m sure if LL valued opinions like this.
Glasses starting to sound like a hater
Drake is a pop.😅
I get what Glasses is saying and he's right. But if you look at in reverse, say for instance, MC Hammer... who went pop but is definitely from the streets... where does that put him in this conversation... just food for thought🤔
He a hip hop artist
Hammer was the first Drake..He was the HIGEST selling artist at that time and was one of the highest earning artist at that time
Drake started off a rapper
Well technically an actor from Degrassi
But then turned rapper
Now he's a pop rapper/ Pop Singer
And yes there's a difference
Because When Drake started off
He didn't have the poppy/ commercial sound that he does now
He was actually HipHop when he came out
And then transitioned to Pop Rapper/ Pop singer
Glasses is right. He broke it down perfectly. Hip hop and rap is two different things at this point.
Not really. What about GangStarr? More specifically, Guru.
I been called Drake a Pilgrim.
Drake is hip hop as hip hop gets and you don't have to be from the streets or struggle to be hiphop. You don't have to like drake or his music but lets not be delusional
Exactly
Stop
Lies
Drake is not hip hop kid.
Glasses is mistakenly big time falsely creating some kind of superior idea with his argument.....it ain't that
Glasses Malone is 100 percent correct
Not this conversation again. You’re not a hip hop artist if you’re from the suburbs? What is hip hop? Is it 4 elements, tags on the book bag, chew sticks, and Jansport backpacks? Is it a hip hop coloring book? Is it lyrics about genocide and disrespecting your women? Wait until you find out that some of the most prolific writers came from wealthy families and grew up in the suburbs. Is Rick Rubin part of hip hop? Is the Alchemist part of hip hop? What about Guru from Gangstarr? What about Kurt Mantronik?
To any artist, strive to be pop, at least you’ll get top40 billing and can tour.
By your logic, Lil Nas X should have been welcomed into Country Music (they colonized that from Black ppl too along with Jazz ect ect) but we all saw the pushback he got.
@@TuhdaMan what is hip hop and what is rap? Answer my questions specifically about Guru and The Alchemist.
Also, the topic isn’t other genres of music. It’s specifically about hip hop/rap or whatever that means. Since you brought it up, is K Michelle’s new record with Jelly Roll not a country record? Should she not be accepted by country music fans.
I’ll echo my last point from the previous exchange, again. “To any artist, strive to be pop, at least you’ll get Top40 billing and can tour.”.
@@Levelc that’s a loaded question being Rap goes back to the late 60’s & the term HipHop wasn’t coined till the mid 70’s… Now, As far as Guru goes. I absolutely didn’t listen to that nigga AT ALL soooooooooo
@@TuhdaMan you don’t have to disrespect the man by calling him that.
Your opinion on the Alchemist was conveniently left out.
@@Levelc 1st off who did “disrespect” & how?
What's up with this Drake grew up middle class narrative? His mom was an English teacher. Drake was helping her pay her medical bills and get herself out of debt at age 17.
At first I was big Court but Glasses started making a lot of sense towards the end
Do not come to Toronto with this guys attitude. Disrespect will lead you in a ditch. He probably heard this from a goofy in Toronto that does not put in work. Drake moved around the man dem from time. Not everyone needs to sell drugs or hold a gun to speak on culture. So is mobb deep hip hop. Since Prodigy isn't from the ends he raps about. So i guess mobb Deep is pop music now. Toronto black culture is larger and more global than a lot of american cities. The Jamaicans culture is big here. It is not our fault most people have not traveled outside their city. The best thing is not to talk about what you do not know. RUclips, Point Blank, Jellystone, maestro fresh wes, tha squad. Not everyone grew up in the hood, but everyone was built by it.
Prodigy is queensbridge. No one cares about Toronto unless we are talking about the raptors.
Fire debate!
Tbh Drake is Rap/R&B Artist. His next main genre is Dancehall and Pop.
You don’t have to be from the streets to be hiphop. Prodigy was from Staten Island.
He’s from Quennsbridge.
They both got a point 🤷🏻♂️😂
Where does that put Drake during his first tape Room for Improvement? Does that mean he was an aspiring popstar cosplaying as a backpack rapper? Also what about his timestamp series are those really just an outsider doing their best mc impression? I think drake is all bout hiphop.
Its an unpopular opinion because Drake is such a popular artist, but the guys name is Aubrey, hes Jewish, and hes Canadian. Drake also doesn't write his own raps, hes a trained actor portraying a rapper. Thats the reality. He has an entire music industry machine behind him, hes also very marketable and safe for the mainstream demographic to consume and digest.
plenty of canadian hip hop artist, what does where you from matter?
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@zairethinker no disrespect to Canada, bro, but in all honesty, NOBODY is going out of their way to look out for Canadian hip-hop artists outside of Canada. 🍁 salute, I love Canadians. yall some of the coolest, nicest people on earth. But no1 thinks of Canada when you think of hip-hop.
i hear you but Hip Hop is global now, just because you are not from America doesnt mean you are not Hip Hop@@gnosis7188
Canadian jew lol gg
Truth 💯
A no-hit wonder talking about a legend! 😂😂😂😂😂
Legend to who? You, a bunch of lames and 14 year old girls?
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Glasses just don't understand yet... strong feelings totally misguided totally incorrect about engaging in such ideas
He had hits
Glasses can do a prison sentence on his own without money and help because he’s a man. Can drake?
Drake is not from America nor comes from the same background as most artists, that’s why he’s an exception but he’s still hiphop, his upbringing & style is just different
Trying to be the gatekeeper for some abstract idea of hip hop.......absolutely tripn
Malone is 💯% correct!
Salute Big Court💪🏼……Good discussion…..Glasses Malone was talkin’ that talk. I still consider Drake to be Hip Hop tho’…..The streets birthed hip hop and the streets is the nucleus of Hip Hop culture however the tree of Hip Hop has branches and has extended its branches to people of different socio-economic backgrounds i.e. Drake or Mac Miller types
Nah Black Americans created every element of hip hop and almost every genre of music facts over feelings‼️
@@Dmack5ive what does that have to do with my original point blood? On Skyline Piru👌🏼
@@gregnice6535On Logan Ave fuck yo original point KLACK🤷🏾♂️
I totally agree with Glasses - Drake is a Pop Artist. But he can't be compared to Madonna. Madonna is a trend setter, Drake is a trend hopper.
When it comes to drake people get seriously delusional. Is this really a convo? Is drake hiphop? Of course he is. Like the delusion people have with drake is crazy. Like are y'all for real?? This is damn near troubling the narratives people say about drake. People on here actually sayong glasses has a point lol. The drake hate is somethinh else. By glasses point j cole aint hip hop, cole aint from no struggle. This is a very stupid point and more stupid people on here are actually agreeing with it.
Don’t get on here with logic and reason…it’s blasphemy. Kurt Mantronik, and The Alchemist wouldn’t be considered hip hop by the definition laid in this video.
Hip Hop -the culture and lingo to build elevation thru lyrics and rhythms for upbringing from poverty
RAP=POP (POPULAR MUSIC)
At first I thought Glasses was trippin… but….by the end of his explanation, I kinda understand what he saying…
Glasses Malone is a highly intelligent brotha, who knows how to have an intellectual conversation, while keeping his composure. He’s absolutely right! You can be from the hood or from an urban environment, without necessarily being in the streets or committing crimes.
Who’s on first base?
If you’re signed to a colonizer’s record label you’re not hiphop. Drake is hiphop. Drake has a black father. Gets know urban than that. Take away rap from Eminem and what do you have? He doesn’t live no type of hiphop urban life. Living by and knowing some black people don’t make you hiphop
....REVOLUTIONARY
Here this dude go again. Former artists from ATL and LA critique music the worst. Madonna??? Street Urban Culture???? Hip Hop is an artform smdh
Big Court always sides with the popular opinion.
I agree with glasses he really don’t come from hip hop , he don’t really represent the culture
Sounds like a win!
LET’S NOT FORGET, DRAKE GOT HIS “HOOD/NIGGA PASS” FROM J PRINCE & RAP-A-LOT 💯
hahahah from the guy who would rub his hands for anybody who can earn him money
Who the hell made this guy the authority on hip hop? He can only get attention talking about others?
He’s from the streets of LA.
Bro it's nothif street about Eminem
Eminem is from 8 Mile. Do you know anything about 8 Mile?
It's 4 types of us and you just showed that we're different 🧏🏿♂️😭 bro Donald Trump could a lived in 8 mile that shit was sweet that's not the "Hip Hop " culture
He’s from the trailer park poverty
You have never seen poverty if you think Eminem grew up with money. He grew up poor.
Bro that shit don't corelate
Drake ain’t stayed true to where he come from and he really wanna be a young man still and he finna be 40
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Glasses Malone is correct
Thank me later was hip hop tho
Lupe is definitely from the hood...
Every rapper ain’t hip hop. Sheesh
I don't care how Drake is classified, he draws no comparison to the most successful female recording artist in the history of music. Furthermore, Madonna remained true to her craft and literally CREATED a look and sound that left a permanent imprint on pop culture. She also set performance standards in concert and touring that is the measuring stick for all female acts that have come after her. Drake doesn't deserve to be compared to an artist who is literally on the Mt. Rushmore of recording artists. Period.
You missing the Pont..just to defend modanna😂😂
@@nottistewart I didn't miss shit. The comparison to make the "point" was a bad analogy that made no sense. He should've compared Drake to another artist that culturally appropriated HIP-HOP. Not a pop artist who never infiltrated the culture in any way, shape or form.
@@SinistaDaBeast ohhh but you did (potty mouth🤣) Madonna and Big daddy kane... should I type more for you youngsta lmao ,do your homework or at least know a lil something before you start your rant🤣🤣
@@nottistewart I STILL got Long Live The Kane, It's A Big Daddy Thang AND Taste of Chocolate on cassette tape homie I'm far from a "youngsta"...and a collaboration with a rapper is not cultural appropriation, Michael Jackson, Prince and every other major "pop" artist of the era did the same when hip-hop came to the forefront as a genre....U can't school me on none of this shit, find a shorty to play wit. I ain't him. I said what I said, Drake pussy ass ain't in the conversation, end of story.
You must be a younger Madonna fan to be saying this cause she ain’t invent nothing 😂😂😂😂
I agree, he’s a corporate creation
Poignant.
Not really. What is hip hop? Is Evidence a hip hop artist? What about The Alchemist? Even better, what about GangStarr? More specifically, Guru.
Anything in the top 100 billboard is classified as pop music bro
Glass is right, Drake is POP artist, like Madonna
Glasses Malone is the last person to talk he ain’t put out an album he ain’t had a hit in a long time so how the fuck is he talk about anything
He has his own opinion like anybody. I respect it.
What’s having a hit have to do with anything?